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18 minutes ago, GerdWagner said:

You'll get them as a reward when you free Nicole. I think Nicole puts them on a table before she leaves.
 

Use the lockpick to get into the VIP room and then talk to Nicole. Then continue to steal the key to free her from the shackles. After that you have to distract the "guard" with sex so that Nicole can escape (For this I think you have only one try, otherwise it won't work anymore... At least I could not try to seduce the guard again.). For Free her you will also get the statue.
Alternatively, you can just buy her free.

 

Yes I did get enough clues to work this out. You've give the most complete run-down.

 

To everyone who tried it... did you find it impossible to steal (pickpocket) the key(s)? I did and had to cheat. I'm tempted to include both keys as something you can find in the Dark Boxes too, as a way of both getting the key, and discovering that the quest exists.

Lula Luv

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2 hours ago, VirginMarie said:

 

Yes I did get enough clues to work this out. You've give the most complete run-down.

 

To everyone who tried it... did you find it impossible to steal (pickpocket) the key(s)? I did and had to cheat. I'm tempted to include both keys as something you can find in the Dark Boxes too, as a way of both getting the key, and discovering that the quest exists.


Hehe, I also cheated and for the seduction I also had to reload once to choose the right dialogs. I think pickpocking is so hard there because you are never unobserved. But well, my char was also level 1 :D 
Maybe you could store a stealth potion in the VIP room that would make pickpocketing successful.
 

And for the seduction: There should perhaps be several seduction methods if the first method did not work. Maybe you could even insert one or two animations (like jiggle with tits from GSPoses or so), to make the whole thing a little more interesting, too.

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Miauzi

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Vor 2 Stunden sagte VirginMarie:

 

Ja, ich habe genug Hinweise bekommen, um das herauszufinden. Sie haben den umfassendsten Überblick gegeben.

 

An alle , die es versucht haben ... war es für Sie unmöglich, den/die Schlüssel zu stehlen (Taschendiebstahl)? Ich tat und musste betrügen. Ich bin versucht, beide Schlüssel als etwas hinzuzufügen, das Sie auch in den Dark Boxes finden können, um sowohl den Schlüssel zu erhalten als auch herauszufinden, dass die Quest existiert.

 

So with a starting character there is no chance of stealing the key - you need a very high level of skill to do so


But the sum for buying Nicole's ransom - 8000 gold pieces - is quite high - you can only work that out after "some" time


but in general the exemption has no consequences - it seems to be completely without consequences for the club or the player

I suspect that the idea behind Nicole's liberation/free purchase was not fully worked out

and what's up with the "damn" clothes

A conflict or a "competition" between Aedra and Daedra or Daedra among themselves in which a human/mer gets into each other - is a very popular topic with mod authors

Was something similar planned here?

It's still open who the club's succubus boss "reports" to - the Skyrim lore allows for quite a few variants - I wouldn't overrate the vampires (who are the game partners of the succubus) now (i.e. as a possible finger time on MolagBal )

Sure - as long as the original author remains completely "hidden" - it's pure speculation

and

the development of a story around "Nicole" and the "Succubus" would be a project for the future

(on the other hand, a side offshoot of "Shout like a virgin" would also be conceivable)

 

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Also mit einem Anfangschar keine Chance den Schlüssel zu stehlen - da braucht es einen sehr hohen Skill dazu

 

Aber auch die Summe für das Freikaufen von Nicole - 8000 Goldstücke - ist recht hoch - nur die kann man sich schon nach "einiger" Zeit erarbeiten

 

aber generell hat die Befreiung keinerlei Konsequenzen - es scheint komplett ohne Folgen für den Club oder den Spieler zu sein

ich vermute mal das die Idee die hinter der Befreiung/Freikauf von Nicole steht nicht komplett ausgearbeitet wurde

und was hat es mit der "verfluchten" Kleidung auf sich

Ein Konflikt bzw. ein "Wettstreit" zw. Aedra und Daedra oder Daedra untereinander in denen ein Mensch/Mer gerät untereinander - ist ja ein sehr beliebtes Thema bei Mod-Autoren

War hier änliches angedacht?

Noch ist ja offen wem der Succubus-Chef des Clubs "unterstellt" ist - der Skyrim-Lore lässt da recht viele Varianten zu - die Vampire (die Spiel-Partner des Succubus sind) würde ich jetzt nicht überbewerten (also als möglicher Fingerzeit auf MolagBal)

Klar - solange der ursprüngliche Autor komplett "abgetaucht" bleibt - ist es reine Spekulation

und

die Ausarbeitung einer Geschichte rund um "Nicole" und dem "Succubus" wäre ein Projekt für die Zukunft

(andererseits wäre ein Seitenableger von "Shout like a virgin" auch denkbar)

 

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Miauzi

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Vor 22 Minuten sagte GerdWagner:


Hehe, ich habe auch geschummelt und für die Verführung musste ich auch einmal neu laden, um die richtigen Dialoge auszuwählen. Ich denke, Taschendiebstahl ist dort so schwer, weil man nie unbeobachtet ist. Aber gut, mein Char war auch Level 1 :D 
Vielleicht könntest du im VIP-Raum einen Tarn-Trank aufbewahren, der Taschendiebstähle erfolgreich machen würde.
 

Und zur Verführung: Es sollte vielleicht mehrere Verführungsmethoden geben, wenn die erste Methode nicht funktioniert hat. Vielleicht könntest du sogar noch ein oder zwei Animationen (wie Wackeln mit Titten von GSPosen oder so) einfügen, um das Ganze auch noch ein bisschen interessanter zu machen.

 

The existing seduction dialog can definitely be compared to a language labyrinth - I had to reload it several times

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VirginMarie

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7 hours ago, Miauzi said:

and what's up with the "damn" clothes

 

I'm not sure what you mean. Perhaps some is lost in the translation.

 

As far as I can tell, Nicole's Cursed Clothing, which she tells you about if (this is after you meet her outside the club and have her follow you), work as follows...

 

When she is highly aroused, the cloths come off. This makes her vulnerable in fights. She needs you to make love to her to get her arousal down and get her clothes back. I will have to test this further as I can't say if its actual works always as intended. But yes she's certainly not setup to accept other cloths that you supply, if that's what you mean... a conflict with that? 

Miauzi

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Vor 40 Minuten sagte VirginMarie:

 

Ich bin mir nicht sicher was du meinst. Vielleicht geht einiges in der Übersetzung verloren.

 

Soweit ich das beurteilen kann, funktioniert Nicoles verfluchte Kleidung, von der sie dir erzählt, wenn (das ist, nachdem du sie außerhalb des Clubs getroffen und sie dir folgen lässt), wie folgt ...

 

Wenn sie sehr erregt ist, kommen die Tücher herunter. Das macht sie in Kämpfen verwundbar. Sie braucht dich, um mit ihr zu schlafen, um ihre Erregung zu dämpfen und ihre Kleider zurückzubekommen. Ich muss das weiter testen, da ich nicht sagen kann, ob es tatsächlich immer wie beabsichtigt funktioniert. Aber ja, sie ist sicherlich nicht darauf eingestellt, andere Stoffe zu akzeptieren, die Sie liefern, wenn Sie das meinen ... ein Konflikt damit? 

 

Interesting - I didn't even know about the full effect (clothing disappears when aroused in combat).

This is also due to the fact that I "recruited" her as a companion, but then didn't play with the character for very long.

I was only aware of the latter part you described - the problems with changing gear

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Now all of this together makes sense:

Nicole can't put on any other clothes - because she's supposed to lose her own in the fight...

..that is, I have a companion that I constantly have to "take care of" sexually so that she can even help me in a fight

very cleverly thought out - I salute the ingenious "cunningness" of the original author

(I put my German original in the "spoiler" - so I hope that not so much gets lost in the translation from there)

 

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Interessant - den vollständigen Effekt (Kleidung verschwindet bei Erregung im Kampf) kannte ich noch gar nicht

liegt auch daran das ich sie zwar als Gefährtin "angeworben" dann aber mit dem Char nicht sehr lange weiter gespielt hatte.

Mir war bislang nur der von Ihnen beschriebene letztere Teil - die Probleme beim Ändern der Ausrüstung - bekannt

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Nun macht dies alles zusammen ja auch Sinn:

Nicole kann keine andere Kleidung anlegen - weil sie ihre eigene im Kampf verlieren soll...

..sprich ich habe eine Gefährtin die ich ständig sexuell "umsorgen" muss damit sie mir überhaupt in einem Kampf beistehen kann

sehr geschickt ausgedacht - ich verneige mich vor dieser genialen "Durchtriebenheit" des ursprünglichen Autors

(ich setze ja mein deutsches Original in den "spoiler" - so hoffe ich das bei der Übersetzung von dort nicht so viel verloren geht)

 

Shaeris

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On 9/4/2022 at 1:17 AM, VirginMarie said:

 

Yes I did get enough clues to work this out. You've give the most complete run-down.

 

To everyone who tried it... did you find it impossible to steal (pickpocket) the key(s)? I did and had to cheat. I'm tempted to include both keys as something you can find in the Dark Boxes too, as a way of both getting the key, and discovering that the quest exists.

 

I discovered the quest just from being naturally curious and picking the lock into the room. Pickpocketing didn't seem like it'd be too much trouble though, given my odds for doing so were around 47% for having no skill investments whatsoever.

Unfortunately, I broke in after having already done the main questline for the club, meaning that I was barred from interacting with Nicole in any capacity. Much like the situation with the succubus boss I brought up the other day, I think locking content away from people who finished the dark desires chain feels underwhelming as a player and is maybe a form of design that should be avoided in the future. 

VirginMarie

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7 hours ago, Shaeris said:

 

I discovered the quest just from being naturally curious and picking the lock into the room. Pickpocketing didn't seem like it'd be too much trouble though, given my odds for doing so were around 47% for having no skill investments whatsoever.

 

I was able to lockpick the door fine too. There's lockpicks around the place you can find.

Its the next part, pickpocketing... that's too hard. Someone can always see you.

 

7 hours ago, Shaeris said:

Unfortunately, I broke in after having already done the main questline for the club, meaning that I was barred from interacting with Nicole in any capacity. Much like the situation with the succubus boss I brought up the other day, I think locking content away from people who finished the dark desires chain feels underwhelming as a player and is maybe a form of design that should be avoided in the future. 

 

I don't think its intentional. I'd like for the "can I get a task" option from the Mistress to continue after you've returned into service as a Working Girl too.

Another example of not intentional... If you end up in jail, for stealing or pickpocketing, when NOT a Slave working there, there's no way to get out of jail, since you can't get those quests to work the same.

 

These "edge cases" dealing with the story and dialogue, may not be something I change for my first release, but they are on the list. Touching the conditionals of all the sandbox things needs an incredible amount of testing since this mod is so very sandbox. Sequential quests are easy, sandbox is significantly harder. This mod is ALL sandbox.

 

 

 

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Miauzi

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Vor 22 Stunden sagte VirginMarie:

 

Ich konnte die Tür auch gut knacken. Es gibt Dietriche rund um den Ort, den Sie finden können.

Der nächste Teil ist Taschendiebstahl... das ist zu schwer. Jemand kann dich immer sehen.

 

 

Ich glaube nicht, dass es Absicht ist. Ich möchte, dass die „Kann ich eine Aufgabe bekommen“-Option von der Herrin auch fortgesetzt wird, nachdem du als Working Girl in den Dienst zurückgekehrt bist.

Ein weiteres Beispiel für nicht absichtlich ... Wenn Sie wegen Diebstahls oder Taschendiebstahls im Gefängnis landen, wenn KEIN Sklave dort arbeitet, gibt es keine Möglichkeit, aus dem Gefängnis herauszukommen, da Sie diese Quests nicht genauso zum Laufen bringen können.

 

Diese "Randfälle", die sich mit der Geschichte und den Dialogen befassen, sind vielleicht nichts, was ich für meine erste Veröffentlichung ändere, aber sie sind auf der Liste. Das Berühren der Bedingungen aller Sandbox-Dinge erfordert eine unglaubliche Menge an Tests, da dieser Mod so sehr Sandbox ist. Aufeinanderfolgende Quests sind einfach, Sandbox ist deutlich schwieriger. Dieser Mod ist ALLE Sandbox.

 

 

 

An idea for the quest with "Nicole":

The player might learn about her from one or more random conversations at the club

or

maybe from a remark by the club boss.

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By "thorough" (thoroughly searching) players, the mod author means quite well - there are quite a few Easter eggs to discover

but the majority of today's players are probably "slightly" overwhelmed with that - they all want to be "taken by the hand".

Talesien

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1 hour ago, Miauzi said:

An idea for the quest with "Nicole":

The player might learn about her from one or more random conversations at the club

or

maybe from a remark by the club boss.

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By "thorough" (thoroughly searching) players, the mod author means quite well - there are quite a few Easter eggs to discover

but the majority of today's players are probably "slightly" overwhelmed with that - they all want to be "taken by the hand".

I wouldn't go that far. Taking the player by the hand is certainly the design philosophy in most big western game studios. Some players certainly want it that way, some probably dislike it and I think the majority can handle both styles, as the rousing success of Elden Ring shows. One can say a lot about that game, but hand holding is not a term one could use to describe the game.
I do think however that even players get into a certain mindset based on the game, so if you made a mod for Elden Ring, where you hand hold the player, and lead him along little by little, most players would find that odd, even jarringly irritating. OTOH in a game like Skyrim the same players might simply expect exactly that and find it jarring if it's missing. We simply get lulled into a state of mind that makes us expect quest markers for everything interesting, etc.

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VirginMarie

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4 hours ago, Talesien said:

I wouldn't go that far. Taking the player by the hand is certainly the design philosophy in most big western game studios. Some players certainly want it that way, some probably dislike it and I think the majority can handle both styles, as the rousing success of Elden Ring shows. One can say a lot about that game, but hand holding is not a term one could use to describe the game.
I do think however that even players get into a certain mindset based on the game, so if you made a mod for Elden Ring, where you hand hold the player, and lead him along little by little, most players would find that odd, even jarringly irritating. OTOH in a game like Skyrim the same players might simply expect exactly that and find it jarring if it's missing. We simply get lulled into a state of mind that makes us expect quest markers for everything interesting, etc.

 

I like the idea of some things a surprise... hard to find... not obvious, etc.

What is done for future.. not sure, but not changing these things for the first release, as the story/dialogue is not being touched.

However I do have plans to provide a Tips & Tricks article, which will give some hints... not spoilers... HINTS :D 

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Getting fairly close to release. Maybe less than a week. I've written a preliminary Change Log HERE

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Foxcrest

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Is it just blackjack, war, and the arena bets? I think there should be a way to bet more gold because 100/200 isn't really worth it and there is no risk of going into debt either.

VirginMarie

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8 hours ago, Foxcrest said:

Is it just blackjack, war, and the arena bets? I think there should be a way to bet more gold because 100/200 isn't really worth it and there is no risk of going into debt either.

 

Ways to get into debt, if NOT working for the club...

  • the card games
  • arena bets
  • payment for sex  <---  biggest debt creator. MCM lets you adjust the price
  • getting a bounty for having sex with a client (new in next release)
  • getting a bounty for stealing/pickpocketing (this currently also usually sends you to jail and is a bit of a problem now if not working for the club)
  • paying to free Nicole 

Ways to get into debt if WORKING in the club

  • the card games
  • arena bets
  • losing arena fights  <--- biggest debt creator
  • getting a bounty for stealing/pickpocketing (this works fine if working for the club)
  • paying to free Nicole

I've not yet tried things enough to say what happens after you are freed from working in the club, and then return and work there again.  Should probably be the same as the Working case above.

 

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Talesien

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6 hours ago, VirginMarie said:

losing arena fights  <--- biggest debt creator

I assume with the adage: ", unless told to lose."? I also assume you might get into dept if you win a fight you were told not to?

VirginMarie

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10 minutes ago, Talesien said:

I assume with the adage: ", unless told to lose."? I also assume you might get into dept if you win a fight you were told not to?

 

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Not bad at all, actually pretty darn good overall.
One thing that stood out like a sore thumb to me though was being bound to a bondage table and then fucking on it standing upright. That is silly and not the animation to use. Not sure on the Billy pack but there are animations for that table IIRC. Actually I'm pretty sure it used to use the correct animation with Sexlab (might be due to my SLU+ extension though), if so that would be a step back.


Interesting to see though that your yoke is just a misfit as mine (it tends to fit better in DD, if not perfectly either). Always wanted to ask if that's a problem on my side and if something can be done about it. Seems I got half the answer, it's not just on my side, but any chance to do something about it?

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VirginMarie

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7 hours ago, Talesien said:

Not bad at all, actually pretty darn good overall.
One thing that stood out like a sore thumb to me though was being bound to a bondage table and then fucking on it standing upright. That is silly and not the animation to use. Not sure on the Billy pack but there are animations for that table IIRC. Actually I'm pretty sure it used to use the correct animation with Sexlab (might be due to my SLU+ extension though), if so that would be a step back.


Interesting to see though that your yoke is just a misfit as mine (it tends to fit better in DD, if not perfectly either). Always wanted to ask if that's a problem on my side and if something can be done about it. Seems I got half the answer, it's not just on my side, but any chance to do something about it?

 

Table scene requires the Toys&Love Invisible Furniture feature, just like the GloryHole.

Yoke I honestly dont see what problem you speak of. The bars don't precisely meet the cuffs? Or are you talking about animations "slipping" (this is in DD too, both mods use animations from the same author). For both imperfections, I can't do much about them, but see them as very minor, there's bigger fish :D 

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4 hours ago, VirginMarie said:

Table scene requires the Toys&Love Invisible Furniture feature, just like the GloryHole.

 

I see, I thought you mentioned that you solved that specifically for the club, but not (yet) for the wider world (and are not completely confident that it can be done at all). Well let's hope for the best.

 

4 hours ago, VirginMarie said:

Yoke I honestly dont see what problem you speak of. The bars don't precisely meet the cuffs? Or are you talking about animations "slipping" (this is in DD too, both mods use animations from the same author). For both imperfections, I can't do much about them, but see them as very minor, there's bigger fish :D 

Yes, I'm referring to the bar not really touching the cuffs. Every one is different I guess, I find that highly irritating. Not the biggest fish in the pond perhaps, but a pretty big and unruly catfish for sure. In my book at least.

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28 minutes ago, Talesien said:

Yes, I'm referring to the bar not really touching the cuffs. Every one is different I guess, I find that highly irritating. Not the biggest fish in the pond perhaps, but a pretty big and unruly catfish for sure. In my book at least.

 

Its complicated.

 

The yoke model is from ZAP. The animations are from same author who did for DD, and gave us permission. That author likely started with the ZAP animations.

 

The cuffs are just ZAP cuffs seen elsewhere, that "move" with the actor's wrists. The bar is tied to the neck in a fixed position. So all it takes is different actor bodies to end up with different chance of cuffs meeting bar, since the animation is positioning the wrists up there, not the model.  

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