Public Whore

[crococat]

Check 1.2.2. Still problem with ImprovingWhiterun - no dialogs with PWTane after taking job from Jarl - no dialogs with PWTane after complete asking 5 people.

Had no dialogs with shopkeepers, but not sure becouse had to set queststages by console.

Normal dialogs common to all cities are ok.

[lendiforma]

6 hours ago, poporaltemporal said:

I saved game after I started PW in markarth and whiterun. After starting I get CTD on loading the save. These saves have been the ones done after starting the updated quest.

Same problem

edit: I went back on a clean save without PW and started 1.2.2 version, save thing happens. I start a scenario through SS++, everything's fine, and then none of the saves with PW working load. Had no such problem with 1.2.1, stable game otherwise

Edited December 13, 2022 by lendiforma

[killer905]

My ideas for each Hold may not match the assumptions of the Mod, but it's worth a try:

 

 

Eastmarch — It's already in Mod
Falkreath Hold — There are more graves in Falkreath than in any other region of Skyrim. What can cheer you up in this place full of graves?
Haafingar — No idea
Hjaalmarch — No idea
The Pale — Snow everywhere, people working hard in the mine and lack of sleep due to some dark forces do not allow them to sleep well. They need a warm body!
The Reach — The Reachmen are getting more and more aggressive! What if the Jarl sends the newly appointed Public Whore to smooth things over?
The Rift — The Black-Briar family in Riften is very influential and wants to show that even Thane/Dragonborn is not OVER them.
Whiterun Hold — People are terrified of the return of dragons. What do they need? The pleasure of the body allows them to forget their fear for a while.
Winterhold — The city is destroyed and there are no funds to rebuild it. The Mages are to blame for all this, so make them pay!

Edited December 13, 2022 by killer905

[wHOaMiEH]

This and Bimbos of Skyrim are having great synergy together(no bugs on my end whatsoever). The new quest is pretty great. As said in previous post of mine, thank you for suffering in CK for us all @Visio Diaboli. What are your plans for the future update(will you continue expanding on Eastmarch and Whiterun holds, or will you continue in a new one)?

[Visio Diaboli]

6 hours ago, poporaltemporal said:

CTD

3 hours ago, lendiforma said:

Same problem

CTDs aren't really something I can debug well. With a papyrus log I could see if there are any PW script errors but even if I uploaded a patch or something it wouldn't guarantee an end to the CTDs so going to a save before PW is most ideal.

 

5 hours ago, lendiforma said:

Suggestion: since this mod has several starting scenarios (through Simple Slavery for example), it would be great to have an MCM option to specify whether player is Dragonborn or not, to filter the lines. I think many people don't go into the main quest while using sex mods

Are you getting lines about being the Dragonborn while you aren't? Half the point of the hero fame system is to track these things and add dialogue conditions so it'd be a bug.

 

2 hours ago, killer905 said:

The Rift — The Black-Briar family in Riften is very influential and wants to show that even Thane/Dragonborn is not OVER them.

Will probably do Riften next, which will have a similar-ish theme. It will be a few updates before I get to another hold start though

 

 

34 minutes ago, wHOaMiEH said:

This and Bimbos of Skyrim are having great synergy together(no bugs on my end whatsoever). The new quest is pretty great. As said in previous post of mine, thank you for suffering in CK for us all @Visio Diaboli. What are your plans for the future update(will you continue expanding on Eastmarch and Whiterun holds, or will you continue in a new one)?

The general roadmap is looking (right now) like this. They're just overarching points I want to get to for each feature version:

 

v1.3.0 Plans

-Sexual fame rework - SLSF will optionally feed into the built-in system, which will become the primary fame system. It will add more ways the player can gain fame, and pre-PW-declaration scenarios where she'll have to make an effort to correct rumors about her or suffer a fame increase

-Better interaction with crime and bounty - possibly catching the PC on her way out of prison and sending her into PW, as well as subsuming bounty into PW quotas and maybe punishment score

-Guard-specific approaches and events

-Fix up Whiterun start, and expand post-quest for Whiterun and Windhelm starts

-Set up internal tracking for Civil War, Spouses, Beyond Reach, Bruma, and Ravenrock (with features using this tracking coming later)

 

v1.4.0 Plans

-Punishment system rework - modular punishment scenes (so they could be written by other/addon ESPs and are easier to troubleshoout), better DD use, possibly looking at PoP/Prison Alternative as outcomes of punishment score, depending on ease and permissions

-Civil War Quest(s) (probably radiant, maybe one initial and one radiant)

-Spouse quests or content

-Radiant giant quest?

-Bimbos of Skyrim interaction?

 

v1.5.0 Plans (realm of pure speculation pretty much)
-Toys&Love interaction?

-Radiant mage/necromancer quest?

-NPCs as public whores?

-Raven Rock? (will not be in the same update as the above, both are going to be huge changes to the scripts)

 

[Leoosp]

18 minutes ago, Visio Diaboli said:

CTDs aren't really something I can debug well. With a papyrus log I could see if there are any PW script errors but even if I uploaded a patch or something it wouldn't guarantee an end to the CTDs so going to a save before PW is most ideal.

 

Are you getting lines about being the Dragonborn while you aren't? Half the point of the hero fame system is to track these things and add dialogue conditions so it'd be a bug.

 

Will probably do Riften next, which will have a similar-ish theme. It will be a few updates before I get to another hold start though

 

 

The general roadmap is looking (right now) like this. They're just overarching points I want to get to for each feature version:

 

v1.3.0 Plans

-Sexual fame rework - SLSF will optionally feed into the built-in system, which will become the primary fame system. It will add more ways the player can gain fame, and pre-PW-declaration scenarios where she'll have to make an effort to correct rumors about her or suffer a fame increase

-Better interaction with crime and bounty - possibly catching the PC on her way out of prison and sending her into PW, as well as subsuming bounty into PW quotas and maybe punishment score

-Guard-specific approaches and events

-Fix up Whiterun start, and expand post-quest for Whiterun and Windhelm starts

-Set up internal tracking for Civil War, Spouses, Beyond Reach, Bruma, and Ravenrock (with features using this tracking coming later)

 

v1.4.0 Plans

-Punishment system rework - modular punishment scenes (so they could be written by other/addon ESPs and are easier to troubleshoout), better DD use, possibly looking at PoP/Prison Alternative as outcomes of punishment score, depending on ease and permissions

-Civil War Quest(s) (probably radiant, maybe one initial and one radiant)

-Spouse quests or content

-Radiant giant quest?

-Bimbos of Skyrim interaction?

 

v1.5.0 Plans (realm of pure speculation pretty much)
-Toys&Love interaction?

-Radiant mage/necromancer quest?

-NPCs as public whores?

-Raven Rock? (will not be in the same update as the above, both are going to be huge changes to the scripts)

 

 

Perhaps it may be helpful to request a crash log in the cases of CTD maybe in addition to a papyrus log? Utilising one of the following modifications:-

• Inbuilt Crash logging - Crash fixes (Skyrim LE)
• Crash Log at Skyrim Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com)
• Crash Logger SSE AE VR - PDB support at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com)
• .NET Script Framework at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com) - Has crash logging functions but is limited to Skyrim SE 1.5.x series.

 

Though the crash logger if freshly installed will not have produced either any crash logs or any for that particular crash so reproducing it will be necessary, however if not freshly installed then there may be some for the CTD.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Leoosp

[poporaltemporal]

28 minutes ago, Leoosp said:

 

Perhaps it may be helpful to request a crash log in the cases of CTD maybe in addition to a papyrus log? Utilising one of the following modifications:-

• Inbuilt Crash logging - Crash fixes (Skyrim LE)
• Crash Log at Skyrim Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com)
• Crash Logger SSE AE VR - PDB support at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com)
• .NET Script Framework at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com) - Has crash logging functions but is limited to Skyrim SE 1.5.x series.

 

Though the crash logger if freshly installed will not have produced either any crash logs or any for that particular crash so reproducing it will be necessary, however if not freshly installed then there may be some for the CTD.

I tried several times to load the save with different settings. The crash logger stack seemed always to point out elsewhere. Reason caused was access violation. I played long with this save and its still "fresh" just the PW was deleted. This did not occur before I updated and started PW again. First time was in Whiterun and second time is was in Markarth. I believe that save before first queue was still loadable.

[lendiforma]

Here's the logs from my CTD on load, just in case. Crash log says something "Markarth City Guard: failed Sexlab/distance check" a few times. Thats the clean save I had with 1.2.2 on it (not an update from previous PW version). No idea what's wrong, but the saves just won't load. No such problem with PW 1.2.1. Does anyone else having loading issues on 1.2.2? Could be something on my end

Papyrus.0.log crash_2022_12_13_21_27_1.log

  

18 hours ago, Visio Diaboli said:

Are you getting lines about being the Dragonborn while you aren't? Half the point of the hero fame system is to track these things and add dialogue conditions so it'd be a bug.

 

I am, actually. Never did anything except a few side quests on my save, and I have all boxes on the fame page unchecked. Everyone still tells me how they used to respect me and other dragonborn stuff, that's why I mentioned it. At least that's how it was on 1.2.1 

Edited December 14, 2022 by lendiforma

[Naps-On-Dirt]

I had been crashing too yesterday but I assumed it was because the savegame was old.  I was level 70+ and had done just about everything anyway, so I started a new game.  I haven't gotten my sex fame high enough yet to engage PW in the new game, but it should be soon.

[PolskiHusarz20]

This roadmap for sure looks impressive!

[Network]

As a bit of criticism with the new start, I was honestly disappointed with the way sexlab scenes were handled. Way too many in a way too short period of time. Even the horse thing had like 3 separate sexlab calls for some reason, at one point I just got bored of the same thing over and over and started spamming spacebar to get to the next part of the story. It's honestly just not that engaging.

 

The Whiterun start did it perfectly in my eyes. There's a few sexlab calls there and there which make sense given the storytelling, with Belethor giving you away to that one customer and such, but it's not overdone and most of the questline itself is based on (in my opinion) well-made dialogue. The Windhelm one is the opposite. The good dialogue is still there, there's just so little of it and it's drowned in an exaggerated amount of sexlab calls in which essentially nothing much happens. I don't want to end a sexlab scene just to immediately start another one, that gets repetitive and boring very very fast. Windhelm questline is essentially dialogue -> scene -> 3000 sexlab calls -> dialogue -> scene -> dialogue -> 3 sexlab calls after eachother with the horse -> scene -> 3000 sexlab calls again -> you're done. Was it really necessary to have THAT much sexlab integration, especially right after the other?

[Polonium]

Has anyone else had problems with events not firing? I put the odds of an event firing to 100%, but now when people come up to the PC they just have their default dialogue.

[blahity]

3 hours ago, Network said:

As a bit of criticism with the new start, I was honestly disappointed with the way sexlab scenes were handled. Way too many in a way too short period of time. Even the horse thing had like 3 separate sexlab calls for some reason, at one point I just got bored of the same thing over and over and started spamming spacebar to get to the next part of the story. It's honestly just not that engaging.

 

The Whiterun start did it perfectly in my eyes. There's a few sexlab calls there and there which make sense given the storytelling, with Belethor giving you away to that one customer and such, but it's not overdone and most of the questline itself is based on (in my opinion) well-made dialogue. The Windhelm one is the opposite. The good dialogue is still there, there's just so little of it and it's drowned in an exaggerated amount of sexlab calls in which essentially nothing much happens. I don't want to end a sexlab scene just to immediately start another one, that gets repetitive and boring very very fast. Windhelm questline is essentially dialogue -> scene -> 3000 sexlab calls -> dialogue -> scene -> dialogue -> 3 sexlab calls after eachother with the horse -> scene -> 3000 sexlab calls again -> you're done. Was it really necessary to have THAT much sexlab integration, especially right after the other?

I believe in 1.2.2 Vis did lower the amount of back to back sexlab events. Its a lot at once because it is supposed to be one evening rather than a go at your own pace series of smaller events like whiterun. Part of the goal with each city is varying each one's story length, but it's good feedback for future events.

[Pandoragurl45]

excuse me, total pc noob here, but I am having some problems and I cant figure it out. Whenever something naughty should happen, both the npc and my character get naked, but no animation plays out. They only stand there, most of the time with the npc and my character clipping on top of each other. Whats wrong?

[poporaltemporal]

Got crash today and started to analyze it. This is not the cause but I got this to papyrus log just by scrolling and selecting some options.

 

	[PW_MCM (88006E62)].PW_mcmScript.SelectOption() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 403
	[SKI_ConfigManagerInstance (1F000802)].SKI_ConfigManager.OnOptionSelect() - "SKI_ConfigManager.psc" Line 166
[12/14/2022 - 07:14:47PM] WARNING: Passing NONE to non-object argument 12. 
stack:
	[PW_MCM (88006E62)].PW_mcmScript.SelectOption() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 403
	[SKI_ConfigManagerInstance (1F000802)].SKI_ConfigManager.OnOptionSelect() - "SKI_ConfigManager.psc" Line 166
[12/14/2022 - 07:15:47PM] WARNING: Passing NONE to non-object argument 12. 
stack:
	[PW_MCM (88006E62)].PW_mcmScript.SelectOption() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 403
	[SKI_ConfigManagerInstance (1F000802)].SKI_ConfigManager.OnOptionSelect() - "SKI_ConfigManager.psc" Line 166
[12/14/2022 - 07:16:19PM] VM is freezing...

Other than that I have minor change to suggest.

"Would you like to use public whore." does not sound personal. Actually it sounds if you were selling someone else. This should be more like " Sir would you like to use me? I am the public whore of today. ". If you want to use fame you could make it turn from something insecure to confident and pleased. Like unsecure to confident: "mm, would you like to have sex with me? "... " Sir would you let me suck your cock? "

[Hex Bolt]

7 hours ago, Pandoragurl45 said:

Whenever something naughty should happen, both the npc and my character get naked, but no animation plays out.

Are you seeing sex animations play when triggered from other mods?  If not, you might just need to run FNIS and/or register animations in SexLab's MCM.

[Seeker999]

Is there a way to block an npc from all PW events? I used Sexlab Aroused to block my pet mouse's arousal in order to prevent participation in any sexlab scenes, but PW ignores that. It's not just that I don't want it, but the animations change npc's size from cute little mouse to full-blown skeever. I have to disable and re-enable the poor creature. Is there a faction I can remove for my mouse that would prevent it from taking part in PW events? 

Unfortunately, I can't just disable creature content because Snowball is a custom race, has custom AI, and just won't/can't follow most vanilla Skyrim toggles. If npc's had to have an arousal > 1, that would fix my issue. What I did before upgrading to 1.2.2 was add a condition (in SSEdit) to hundreds of dialogs that the subject's mass had to be greater than 0.2 (Snowball's mass is 0.1). I'd prefer not to do that again, but I will if I have to. Is there an easier way? Can I add a condition to the quest PW_Main or package(s) that exclude Snowballs race? If so, I can try to make a patch in SSEdit.

 

A couple of notes/observations

Queues ignore sexual preferences. If that's intended, fine. I'd rather follow the preferences, but if that's not how you designed the queue then that's ok. Same goes for the 'get raped all day' punishment. Oh, btw, did you remove the stocks I remember from v. 1.03? If they're supposed to be there, they are not.

 

I have no problems with the Whiterun starting quest, though I know others are. Quick note, when you're told to help the merchants Faerengar is not included in the list of possibles even though you can help. Adrienne is included even if she is dead at the time.  If you're thinking of changing it, maybe just a couple of tweaks that are very low random chance followups (I'm thinking 5% max): 

• Arcadia could ask her if she wants to try her latest perfume attempt to see if it's working better. If you agree, the results could be same as before, negligible, or stronger.
• Belethor could ask PC to help advertise his store again
• Faerengar (might make sense to also have an arousal check) might 'remind' the PC that they were supposed to help and then cast his spell again. Does not have to follow the same path as before (ie, no need to involve the jarl this time)

I can see Network's point in Windhelm as far as the number of animations go. However I would only limit the horse and blowjob rounds. Horse to 1 followed by popup boxes (would be nice if there were a 1% chance for the PC to prevail), Blowjobs maybe 1 or 2 followed by popup boxes. Otherwise I liked it as is. And I liked the possibility to retain a connection to the jarl (Brunwulf in my pt) or be released from my oath.

 

I haven't done the giant quest yet, only the bandit 'Peace Offering', but I'd like to suggest that you add a 'followers can't go with you' rule/condition/whatever. Sometimes there is immediate hostility to a follower making it difficult to complete.

 

For the record, since updating to v 1.2.2 I have not run into the masturbation loop.

 

Sometimes during or at the end of a sex scene, another npc will complain about my ignoring them. I never got the chance to refuse or ignore them via dialog. It's like they don't recognize that I'm in a scene. That should probably be fixed. If I initiate contact with a customer, then I shouldn't be punished for ignoring another one when I don't even get the chance.

 

Thank you for the interesting mod. I'm enjoying it.

[lendiforma]

1 hour ago, poporaltemporal said:

"Would you like to use public whore." does not sound personal

I think that sort of thing depends heavily on personal preference, so it would be problematic for the author to please everyone

It really easy to change though, just fire up tesedit, find that line and change to whatever best suits you, takes like 5 minutes. I do that all the time with mods. Well mostly because sex mods are usually have horrible writing

[Visio Diaboli]

14 minutes ago, Seeker999 said:

Is there a way to block an npc from all PW events? I used Sexlab Aroused to block my pet mouse's arousal in order to prevent participation in any sexlab scenes, but PW ignores that. It's not just that I don't want it, but the animations change npc's size from cute little mouse to full-blown skeever. I have to disable and re-enable the poor creature. Is there a faction I can remove for my mouse that would prevent it from taking part in PW events? 

Unfortunately, I can't just disable creature content because Snowball is a custom race, has custom AI, and just won't/can't follow most vanilla Skyrim toggles. If npc's had to have an arousal > 1, that would fix my issue. What I did before upgrading to 1.2.2 was add a condition (in SSEdit) to hundreds of dialogs that the subject's mass had to be greater than 0.2 (Snowball's mass is 0.1). I'd prefer not to do that again, but I will if I have to. Is there an easier way? Can I add a condition to the quest PW_Main or package(s) that exclude Snowballs race? If so, I can try to make a patch in SSEdit.

The height thing sounds like Sexlab's "align actor height" setting or whatever it is; it seems like it doesn't revert them to the original sometimes ime. But more to the point you could add a condition for all dialogues in PW_Main, yea - it's on the main tab of a quest in CK, not sure about SSEdit. 1.2.2 fixed the creature condition on PW_Main and actor search to check HasKeyword -> ActorTypeCreature instead of IsCreature (which is apparently entirely useless, thanks Bethesda for the clarity as always). But if that didn't fix it you could try and catch Snowball out with a new condition like that on PW_Main and PW_CommentsQuest.

 

28 minutes ago, Seeker999 said:

Queues ignore sexual preferences. If that's intended, fine. I'd rather follow the preferences, but if that's not how you designed the queue then that's ok. Same goes for the 'get raped all day' punishment. Oh, btw, did you remove the stocks I remember from v. 1.03? If they're supposed to be there, they are not.

It is not intended, and should be pulling actors the same way that approaches do. Do approaches not also ignore your setting? Has your set sexual preference changed from its expected value?

 

24 minutes ago, Seeker999 said:

I haven't done the giant quest yet, only the bandit 'Peace Offering', but I'd like to suggest that you add a 'followers can't go with you' rule/condition/whatever. Sometimes there is immediate hostility to a follower making it difficult to complete.

Giant quest got scrapped before upload, I got 1/10th of the way in and realized it's hard to write a quest where the main interaction is with a giant. Not sure when it's coming.

[MysticDaedra]

Ooh, possible interaction with BoS? Yes please! Love the updates, great work on a staple of my playthroughs!

[Visio Diaboli]

On 12/13/2022 at 12:58 PM, lendiforma said:

Here's the logs from my CTD on load, just in case. Crash log says something "Markarth City Guard: failed Sexlab/distance check" a few times. Thats the clean save I had with 1.2.2 on it (not an update from previous PW version). No idea what's wrong, but the saves just won't load. No such problem with PW 1.2.1. Does anyone else having loading issues on 1.2.2? Could be something on my end

Papyrus.0.log 39.05 kB · 1 download crash_2022_12_13_21_27_1.log 10.78 kB · 1 download

  

I am, actually. Never did anything except a few side quests on my save, and I have all boxes on the fame page unchecked. Everyone still tells me how they used to respect me and other dragonborn stuff, that's why I mentioned it. At least that's how it was on 1.2.1 

Can't really make sense of the crash log, that's either a temporary variable or an argument to an engine debug call. That it says Markarth City Guard would suggest to me that it didn't bug out on the guard itself, maybe on the next part of some loop. I've added some more none checks to the actor manager but no telling if they'll do anything.

 

The papyrus log has nothing to say about PW but isn't optimistic.

 

What was the context for the Dragonborn lines, comments, solicitation responses, approach dialogues? The checkbox in the MCM is looking at the same variable that dialogue should be, so if erroneous dialogues are used then either they're missing a condition or something in the script memory is fucked, either of which are possible.

[Pandoragurl45]

3 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Are you seeing sex animations play when triggered from other mods?  If not, you might just need to run FNIS and/or register animations in SexLab's MCM.

i dont think I have seen any kind of animation.

how should I go about to register mods?

[Hex Bolt]

16 minutes ago, Pandoragurl45 said:

how should I go about to register mods?

Go to the mod page for the SexLab framework and follow the steps under "Basic Installation Procedure".  That will get the animations built with FNIS.  Then, open SexLab's MCM and look at "Toggle Animations" to see that you have animations enabled.  That will get you started.  You can install more animations, but start with the basic ones for now to be sure you have that part working.

Edited December 14, 2022 by HexBolt8

[lcewolf]

@Visio Diaboli

 

Thank you for the new version of Public Whore. I seriously enjoy the quest in Winterhold.

It's very well write it's a perfect catch for the Dragonborn. The idea of the Oath is a very good.

 

The new option or also quite nice anal/vag/blowjob!

 

I got few question.

• I didn't find the horse of Ulfric anywere once the feast is over it is normal?
• I don't want to cause you any extra work on you side but could you guide me how remove the submissive lola «Escape option» or add a minimun Client before have this option avalable? I did try to find it in TESSedit without success yet.

 

I would prefer kept both mod in my mod list they are quite nice.

 

 

[wareware]

Apparently the latest version makes checks for something every 5 seconds. With Papyrus Tweaks NG this causes stutters every 5 seconds even in completely empty rooms. Raising it to 60 seconds seems to fix the stutters somewhat.