Public Whore

[xyzxyz]

Now I know why I need a clean save after installing the new version. Otherwise non of the sex animations will start ^^

[Visio Diaboli]

I don't think problems with PW-started sex are a BoS problem. Far more likely that there's some problem in the sex queue logic still.

 

Is it still not creating logs in the User logging subfolder?

[damarok]

1 hour ago, xyzxyz said:

Now I know why I need a clean save after installing the new version. Otherwise non of the sex animations will start ^^

Im having the same problem, I think its somehow related to PW since other mods start animations almost immediately. I may try a clean save later on because it really is a great mod and the newest update is definitely worth it.

 

EDIT: Alright i got it to work finally, had to mess around for a bit with disabling/enabling older and newest version of the mod, but it finally works and the animation starts just fine. Noice.

Edited December 11, 2022 by damarok

[Someone92]

Have the pop ups like "NPC grabs you, shoves you to the ground and rapes you" or "A crowd gathers around" been removed, or is there a MCM option to disable them I accidentally enabled? I do not get them anymore...

[poporaltemporal]

21 hours ago, Visio Diaboli said:

Do you remember how this started? From an approach/solicitation, and did you get a message box saying NPCs were gathering around?

Seems to be constant only on PW "Would you like to fuck public whore?". Other sex events has worked without issues. I think this is somehow related to Bimbos of Skyrim. I am on above 100% bimbo curse and this seems to somehow be related to that my character is over bimbo. When I debugged this OSLAroused said that my character arousal was constantly maxed out even it dropped after the masturbation. So my theory is that Bimbos force masturbate on 100% arousal. Perhaps your mod enforces arousal on the whoring?

Yes I got the popup that time but when the endless masturbation starts it does not require it. Perhaps the queue system breaks and then fucks up all future sex event?

[xyzxyz]

Is there any chance that the jarls would help you? I have a maxed out spech skill tree and they still don't help.

[Visio Diaboli]

29 minutes ago, Someone92 said:

Have the pop ups like "NPC grabs you, shoves you to the ground and rapes you"

It shouldn't have significantly changed, but I don't think I've ever gotten the dialogue in testing for some reason. Will need to investigate it more.

 

30 minutes ago, Someone92 said:

"A crowd gathers around"

That's from Spectator Crowds, I think

 

5 minutes ago, poporaltemporal said:

Perhaps your mod enforces arousal on the whoring?

PW barely touches arousal but there could be something coming from being seen naked, or some other arousal interaction. Is BoS causing masturbation on 100% an actual thing or just theory? It's suspicious that PW solicitation seems to be a factor in it.

[Visio Diaboli]

13 minutes ago, xyzxyz said:

Is there any chance that the jarls would help you? I have a maxed out spech skill tree and they still don't help.

For Show of Strength (with the 'Speak to Enrensen or Try to get help' objective) there is one way to escape, which is random-chance based (this was supposed to be a speech + random chance but I forgot the speech part so any speech level could do it). Spoilered incase you just want to know that it exists and nothing else.

Spoiler

Duke Caro has a 33% chance of understanding and helping you.

 

For the "tend the guests" part:

Spoiler

Duke Caro can be persuaded to help with a speech of 60 or higher, as long as the player's integrity is greater than or equal to zero (getglobalvalue PW_WHMIQ_Integrity, to check player's integrity during quest)

 

Falkreath's Jarl can be persuaded to help with a speech of 100 or higher

 

 

Beyond that, the dialogue and prompt decisions you made can lead to an escape outcome

Edited December 11, 2022 by Visio Diaboli

[blahity]

44 minutes ago, Visio Diaboli said:

53 minutes ago, poporaltemporal said:

Perhaps your mod enforces arousal on the whoring?

PW barely touches arousal but there could be something coming from being seen naked, or some other arousal interaction. Is BoS causing masturbation on 100% an actual thing or just theory? It's suspicious that PW solicitation seems to be a factor in it.

Its just a theory, it hit me when I asked "Would you like to fuck the public whore?" and I've never installed BoS. So it is unlikely that its related to BoS. I am using PapyrusTweaks NG, I don't know if its causing a race condition where the script isn't getting the variables fast enough.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

After doing Show of Strength and coming back some days later, I saw that Brunwulf had a topic "About the feast" in which at one point he says he's going to fuck you on the spot... but nothing happens.  No indication in the console that any sexlab scene was even considered.  And I still don't get logs, though I don't have any logging enabled atm.  What is supposed to enable them?  Setting debug mode?

 

Edit:  Actually I'm realizing that I also have the no-sex problem when being a regular PW.  I didn't test it before because Show of Strength worked so I assumed everything would.  I also didn't clean my save again between 1.2 and 1.2.1, though I had from 1.1.4 to 1.2.  So I'm doing that now and will see if it fixes regular PW sex.

Edited December 11, 2022 by Naps-On-Dirt

[Visio Diaboli]

6 minutes ago, blahity said:

Its just a theory, it hit me when I asked "Would you like to fuck the public whore?" and I've never installed BoS. So it is unlikely that its related to BoS. I am using PapyrusTweaks NG, I don't know if its causing a race condition where the script isn't getting the variables fast enough.

PapyrusTweaks is SE only? My SE install is in shambles so would be difficult to test. Still going to treat it as a PW problem but need to gather information on it I think. Seems like it's occurring mostly (or exclusively?) on the solicitation branches.

[poporaltemporal]

59 minutes ago, Visio Diaboli said:

PW barely touches arousal but there could be something coming from being seen naked, or some other arousal interaction. Is BoS causing masturbation on 100% an actual thing or just theory? It's suspicious that PW solicitation seems to be a factor in it.

Only theory. I tried to uninstall BoS and it fixed the death loop of masturbation. I also mentioned this on the BoS thread and well lets see. Just weird that this seems to occur 100% on the PW solicitation.

[poporaltemporal]

1 hour ago, Visio Diaboli said:

PW barely touches arousal but there could be something coming from being seen naked, or some other arousal interaction. Is BoS causing masturbation on 100% an actual thing or just theory? It's suspicious that PW solicitation seems to be a factor in it.

Another note: My PW event are broken so I ticked the mod enable thing on the debug page. Yet when I have debug login on the mod keeps updating. Proof of this was that I wanted to try if the "stop scene" would work. When I got the tp from "stop scene" I got immediate popup "you have been forced being to whiterun public whore".

[street2]

Is there any chance for you to remove/make optional Sexlab/DD and add Toys Support? It does basically the same as Slab/DD/SLSO/Aroused but seems to crash almost never and be a lot faster..

[Someone92]

2 hours ago, Visio Diaboli said:

It shouldn't have significantly changed, but I don't think I've ever gotten the dialogue in testing for some reason. Will need to investigate it more.

I first thought it might be because I enabled bRunScriptsOnMainThreadOnly from PapyrusTweaks NG, but they are gone even when I disabled it again.

 

2 hours ago, Visio Diaboli said:

That's from Spectator Crowds, I think

I mean the pop up from the new Feature - Swarming and Queueing.

 

Will have to test it more if I can somehow enable them again. Will have to check if the message when you are punished are still there. Have to test more.

I don't dislike no rape and swarming pop ups, though.

Edited December 11, 2022 by Someone92

[Naps-On-Dirt]

Did the Whiterun story start get taken out?  Just cleaned my save again and was gonna try it because it wasn't working in earlier versions and I thought it was fixed now, but I talk to the Jarl and the topic isn't there.

[Visio Diaboli]

1 hour ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

Edit:  Actually I'm realizing that I also have the no-sex problem when being a regular PW.  I didn't test it before because Show of Strength worked so I assumed everything would.  I also didn't clean my save again between 1.2 and 1.2.1, though I had from 1.1.4 to 1.2.  So I'm doing that now and will see if it fixes regular PW sex.

Yea 1.2.1 will need a clean after 1.2.0, hopefully that gets it

 

47 minutes ago, street2 said:

Is there any chance for you to remove/make optional Sexlab/DD and add Toys Support? It does basically the same as Slab/DD/SLSO/Aroused but seems to crash almost never and be a lot faster..

It's on the backlog, but not high enough priority just yet since from a development standpoint it means more implementation work, to do things I can already do but in a different way.

 

23 minutes ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

Did the Whiterun story start get taken out?  Just cleaned my save again and was gonna try it because it wasn't working in earlier versions and I thought it was fixed now, but I talk to the Jarl and the topic isn't there.

Should still be there. Although if it wasn't working in previous versions it probably won't work in this one either, I haven't changed anything with it. That's part of 1.3.0's scope.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

Save cleaning worked to fix my no-sex problem as a regular PW.  However, I've run into a problem with queueing.  Sexlab scenes are starting midway through each other.  So far only 2 at a time that I can tell, but it did it twice in a row.  I thought SexLab itself would prevent this... but I guess not.  

 

Edit:  And on my 2nd solicitation I started the endless masturbation loop, which I wasn't really reading about because I didn't think it applied to me.    I do have Bimbo installed but I don't have it set to do any auto-masturbation that I know of, I'll doublecheck.  

 

Edit 2: Loaded a save that was right after Show of Strength but before taking any PW clients.  Turned off queueing and was able to take 2 clients and had animations, and am now working my way through a bandit camp.  

 

Edit 3:  After turning in the bandit camp mission to the thane, I got an approach from someone in the room and it started the endless masturbation loop again.    

Edited December 11, 2022 by Naps-On-Dirt

[DayTri]

5 hours ago, Visio Diaboli said:

I don't think problems with PW-started sex are a BoS problem. Far more likely that there's some problem in the sex queue logic still.

 

Is it still not creating logs in the User logging subfolder?

 

For me the logging doesn't seem to be working (not sure if I need to turn it on in the MCM) but the sexqueue logging is actually what is generating the stack dumps.

 

You have a logger function that takes something like `someActor.GetLeveledActorBase()` and None is being passed as the actor, so the logging function is making a stack dump before it can even be executed.

[Seeker999]

I'm on SSE 1.5.97. I have Populated Cities installed, btw. I do not have Bimbos of Skyrim.
uninstalleded PW v.1.0.3, loaded game, saved, exited game, cleaned save, installed PW v1.2.1.

Here are my results.

Windhelm

Spoiler

Windhelm story start went fine. No grey face, everybody there, etc.
Made public whore and shoved out of the palace. Saved game.
Approaches made/received - no sex anim.
Could do bandit peace offering, w/ sex anims starting.
Back in Windhelm, reported progress and went back to work.
Approaches made/received - still no sex anim. ----UNTIL---- Somebody said "ignore me, will you". People started to gather round.

Loaded save and tried to replicate, but when I actively left the conversation or said something, no sex. It was only when something interrupted the approach, not giving me a chance to see the dialog or respond, and caused the potential client to get irritated.
I noticed I needed to fix a tattoo texture, in the process of fixing the tattoo, I closed and reopened the game a couple of times. (I changed the default colors for the City Whore symbols and labels. Each hold has its own color. I can upload the .json if you want.)
When I was ready to start being PW, sex anims started after approach. Bandit still worked. Swarming or queuing worked (a lot of work done in Candlehearth Hall, lol).

Finished duties in Windhelm and went to Whiterun to redo the 'Improving Whiterun' Quest. I did it before, but since I installed this version on a cleaned save I could do it again. When I was made PW, got the masturbation loop.

Spoiler

Talking to citizens worked. Helping shopkeepers - Arcadia, Faerengar, Belethor - worked. Made PW. I protested. One masturbation scene after another. Can't talk to somebody w/o another scene starting.
MCM - PW - Debug - Stop Current Scene. Black screen, music played, had to restart.
Loading save before being reporting to thane and being made PW.
Made PW.
Was immediately approached, but before sex could start, masturbation again.
MCM - PW - Debug - Stop Current Scene. Black screen, music played, had to restart.
SubLola, turned off 'owner can demand sex during suspended events'.
Made PW - masturbation - before another could start, MCM - PW - Debug - send dhlp-resume - still masturbate
Back to MCM - disabled mod - another masturbate anim
Went to Sexlab MCM - ended current animations. didn't stop loop.
Back to Sexlab MCM and cleared cache. That didn't help either.
Check my arousal - it's 2
Tried MCM - PW - Debug - Stop Current Scene again. I was transported out of Whiterun, still masturbating. Mod running is off, but I don't know if that's doing anything.
Even though SubLola was suspended, Master still wanted the Whiterun Walk. He kept zapping me because I didn't follow. Still masturbation.
Talked to thane about speeding up my quota (even though I still show PW as disabled in MCM). Peace Offering started. When I finished my convo w/ thane, sex anim with first person who approached me started - possibly a coincidence? Had to quickly fast travel to bandit camps between animations. Didn't even get a chance to start talking to bandit chief. Loaded save.
accepted sex offer via another mod.
instead, masturbation.
reloaded post-merchant, pre PW save. Had successful sex via another mod. Disabled everything I could from other mods before talking to thane again, leaving PW enabled. That didn't prevent the loop from starting either.

Because I saved and closed so many times, I'm including multiple papyrus logs.

 

I'm going back to a pre-Whiterun save to see if that'll help. I'll update this post.

 

Papyrus.3.log Papyrus.0.log Papyrus.1.log Papyrus.2.log

[shiagwen]

Just downloaded 121.  Did you work on the not working approaching ?

 

What shall i explain nearer. debug message sais no approacher found, but inn or marketplace is full of them, each having the dialogue  to use PW. so why are they no approachers ?

You should copy the approaching system of radiant prostitution,becausre that is the only one i know that works 100 %.

In your system there is no real way to stop it, just the approching chance to 0.

i must play with approaching cooldown of 0 because 5 minutes are too long for a timescale of 5, which i play.

 

isnt swarming meant to be the way that a lot of guys walking to her, standing around her, then doing their job with her ?  in my game it was only one approaching,  no difference to normal one  (if it works) except no dialogue.  the point is the crowd around her watching and waiting for their turn.

 

What do i like in your mod that keeps me here ?  

The atmosphere of really using the PW, the helpless must service and she likes it. the short business,

Edited December 11, 2022 by shiagwen

[blahity]

15 minutes ago, shiagwen said:

Just downloaded 121.  Did you work on the not working approaching ?

 

What shall i explain nearer. debug message sais no approacher found, but inn or marketplace is full of them, each having the dialogue  to use PW. so why are they no approachers ?

You should copy the approaching system of radiant prostitution,becausre that is the only one i know that works 100 %.

In your system there is no real way to stop it, just the approching chance to 0.

i must play with approaching cooldown of 0 because 5 minutes are too long for a timescale of 5, which i play.

 

isnt swarming meant to be the way that a lot of guys walking to her, standing around her, then doing their job with her ?  in my game it was only one approaching,  no difference to normal one  (if it works) except no dialogue.  the point is the crowd around her watching and waiting for their turn.

 

What do i like in your mod that keeps me here ?  

The atmosphere of really using the PW, the helpless must service and she likes it. the short business,

Out of curiosity do approaches work in solitude? When I became PW of Whiterun I ran into a similar issue but it worked fine in Solitude.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

So I did two bandit camps and it pushed me over my quota, 31/28.  But the Thane has no dialogue to let me be finished, I have to take one more client to turn in gold, and doing so always starts the masturbation loop. 

 

Here's a papyrus log of starting the game, soliciting 1 person as PW, masturbating twice, then quitting.

 

Papyrus.0.log

Edited December 11, 2022 by Naps-On-Dirt

[shiagwen]

42 minutes ago, blahity said:

Out of curiosity do approaches work in solitude? When I became PW of Whiterun I ran into a similar issue but it worked fine in Solitude.

City doesnt matter.

after installing it works. if i "finish" and do dungeons, and then want to do it again, it doesnt work.

[jib_buttkiss]

5 hours ago, Visio Diaboli said:

It shouldn't have significantly changed, but I don't think I've ever gotten the dialogue in testing for some reason. Will need to investigate it more.

 

That's from Spectator Crowds, I think

 

PW barely touches arousal but there could be something coming from being seen naked, or some other arousal interaction. Is BoS causing masturbation on 100% an actual thing or just theory? It's suspicious that PW solicitation seems to be a factor in it.

 

BoS blasts a bimbofied player with high arousal sometimes, but it doesn't actually do anything with it. A player who has just fully completed the bimbo curse will probably have maxed out arousal stats at that time. Conversely, BoS almost never triggers a masturbation, and the once place it does is nowhere near a dialogue trigger.

 

The fact that people without BoS are having the issue makes me think that BoS might be exposing the problem somehow, rather than directly causing it,