Diary Of Mine for Paradise Halls

[TrollAutokill]

version 2.7.4 is out

 

 - Various small bugs corrected regarding slaves restrained in furniture and DoM quest.

 - People running 2.7.3 or lower are advised not to finish the quest and should refrain from taking Kimli back to Olava. 2.7.4 should be fine, just save before.

 - Includes LE version 2.7.3 thanks to @moody132

Edited March 18, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[Kalysto]

15 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

But there are some NPCs for whom there would be good lore-friendly ways to enslave them.  Two of most obvious examples are Bralsa Drel and Svana Far-Shield, but I've been assembling a list.  No promises on when, but what was discussed is that I'm going to write all the quest dialogues for how the NPCs would enter slavery—e.g., Bralsa would voluntarily accept your collar as an alternative to her miserable life and to keep her clean, whereas Svana's aunt Haelga would be happy to be rid of her ward after Svana's quest makes her more trouble than she's worth.  And then once I've done the writing, Clifton said he knows how to do the technical side of implementing the enslavement through dialogue.  I've started the work, but the world got really fucking crazy all of a sudden, so no promises for when it'll be finished; it sounds like right up the alley of what you're interested in, though.

 

I really, really like that idea. I would ditch all combat based enslaving if I had a way through quests to get slaves. Maybe even radiant quests.

 

Also agree completely regarding AYGAS although haven't yet tried TDF. I do miss the perk/achievement thing tho.

[Villianize]

Possible Bugs?:
Been having a strange issue where if I have a slave tied up while theyre still rebelling, fighting, and trying to escape the PC, they'll "break". What Ive noticed is, they'll be tied up and the DoM notification would say something like "slave is trying to runaway" or "slave calls for help" at this point the slave breaks free of being restrained but cant move and in order to fix the bug, I have to get them to be able to talk (assuming theyre not trying to fight me) and once they are, tieing them back up again and removing their restraints so they can move.

Another thing Ive noticed is sometimes slaves will try to fight the PC but since they were trying to do an animation before hand it messes with their draw animation and they kinda just run up to you and bump into the PC with fight music playing. (Not a big bug but eh? figured Id mention it in case it wasnt mentioned before)

Questions:
Since Ive been back to Skyrim, I was wondering with alot of the cool new additions to DoM, Since slaves can get angry for how the PC treats other slaves if they're friends, can Slaves get jealous if the PC shows more affection to another slave? Like if I have 2 solid slaves who do mostly everything I request, but I show more appreciation to one slave than the other, instead of them getting angry in general, they can get jealous of the other slave? (Perhaps even fight the other slave if they get really jealous?)

Also what is the preferred way to ask for sex from slaves using DoM? Since the PAH dialogue for "Ok Slave..." > "Im going to fuck you" seems to run off vanilla paradise halls logic, and "You strip Im going to have fun with you" doesnt have any logic as its guaranteed to work every time, is there a Sex request dialoge for DoM that reflects the current mentality of the slave? (Such as if a slave is to scared to refuse, but you use Ok Im going to fuck you" they can still refuse since that dialogue option doesn't monitor DoM stats)

Suggestions:
I had 2 ideas I wanted to suggest if that's ok, The first being something of an approach function for slaves, where if your slave reaches a configurable arousal threshold they can approach the PC and ask for sex (if they are within the levels of not hating the PC)

Lastly I was wondering if as a suggestion, making one slave have sex/forced sex with another slave? much like how if the PC has sex with a slave, if the slave did something wrong prior it can count as punishment, but can also be considered as being for fun. So say the PC wants to punish a new slave they can tell the another slave "I want you to have your way with so-and-so" (If this is already in there I apologize). Rolling off my first idea, Perhaps if the slave asks the PC for sex and the PC doesn't want to, the PC can suggest to the slave if not outright declining, to have sex with another slave.

 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Villianize
Typos and spellcheck

[TrollAutokill]

55 minutes ago, Villianize said:

Possible Bugs?:
Been having a strange issue where if I have a slave tied up while theyre still rebelling, fighting, and trying to escape the PC, they'll "break". What Ive noticed is, they'll be tied up and the DoM notification would say something like "slave is trying to runaway" or "slave calls for help" at this point the slave breaks free of being restrained but cant move and in order to fix the bug, I have to get them to be able to talk (assuming theyre not trying to fight me) and once they are, tieing them back up again and removing their restraints so they can move.

Another thing Ive noticed is sometimes slaves will try to fight the PC but since they were trying to do an animation before hand it messes with their draw animation and they kinda just run up to you and bump into the PC with fight music playing. (Not a big bug but eh? figured Id mention it in case it wasnt mentioned before)

Questions:
Since Ive been back to Skyrim, I was wondering with alot of the cool new additions to DoM, Since slaves can get angry for how the PC treats other slaves if they're friends, can Slaves get jealous if the PC shows more affection to another slave? Like if I have 2 solid slaves who do mostly everything I request, but I show more appreciation to one slave than the other, instead of them getting angry in general, they can get jealous of the other slave? (Perhaps even fight the other slave if they get really jealous?)

Also what is the preferred way to ask for sex from slaves using DoM? Since the PAH dialogue for "Ok Slave..." > "Im going to fuck you" seems to run off vanilla paradise halls logic, and "You strip Im going to have fun with you" doesnt have any logic as its guaranteed to work every time, is there a Sex request dialoge for DoM that reflects the current mentality of the slave? (Such as if a slave is to scared to refuse, but you use Ok Im going to fuck you" they can still refuse since that dialogue option doesn't monitor DoM stats)

Suggestions:
I had 2 ideas I wanted to suggest if that's ok, The first being something of an approach function for slaves, where if your slave reaches a configurable arousal threshold they can approach the PC and ask for sex (if they are within the levels of not hating the PC)

Lastly I was wondering if as a suggestion, making one slave have sex/forced sex with another slave? much like how if the PC has sex with a slave, if the slave did something wrong prior it can count as punishment, but can also be considered as being for fun. So say the PC wants to punish a new slave they can tell the another slave "I want you to have your way with so-and-so" (If this is already in there I apologize). Rolling off my first idea, Perhaps if the slave asks the PC for sex and the PC doesn't want to, the PC can suggest to the slave if not outright declining, to have sex with another slave.

 

Thanks for the bug report. I will try to reproduce.

 

Your ideas have been brought up before, and I have them on the to-do list. We're not there yet.

Edited March 18, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[Azazemon]

I'm a bit lost on how high the submission, resignation, etc. attributes are supposed to be in order to successfully sell slaves to people.

 

[TrollAutokill]

55 minutes ago, Azazemon said:

I'm a bit lost on how high the submission, resignation, etc. attributes are supposed to be in order to successfully sell slaves to people.

 

Assuming you're talking about AYGAS.

 

DoM doesn't change other mods plugin files. Dialogues and their conditions are hardcoded in the plugins. So PAHE, AYGAS or HSH dialogues are not altered by DoM.

 

To answer your question, AYGAS, uses basic PAHE trainings stats (mostly submission level) to judge if a slave is worth buying. But the value itself is determined in the scripts, not in the plugin. AYGAS scripts are overwritten by DoM patched version and slave value in gold is hence computed using all DoM training stats.

 

Edited March 18, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[CliftonJD]

5 hours ago, Villianize said:

Also what is the preferred way to ask for sex from slaves using DoM? Since the PAH dialogue for "Ok Slave..." > "Im going to fuck you" seems to run off vanilla paradise halls logic, and "You strip Im going to have fun with you" doesnt have any logic as its guaranteed to work every time, is there a Sex request dialoge for DoM that reflects the current mentality of the slave? (Such as if a slave is to scared to refuse, but you use Ok Im going to fuck you" they can still refuse since that dialogue option doesn't monitor DoM stats)

had that mentioned in the pahe thread as well so i'm already considering a rewrite of pahe's "Ok Im going to fuck you". we have fear in pahe already, but the current system is fubar in regards to getting consent from the slave, as another pointed out recently, the conditions just don't make much sense from 1 possibility to the next.

5 hours ago, Villianize said:

I had 2 ideas I wanted to suggest if that's ok, The first being something of an approach function for slaves, where if your slave reaches a configurable arousal threshold they can approach the PC and ask for sex (if they are within the levels of not hating the PC)

due to the problematic nature of the similar home sweet home feature i'm not sure on this, but i could instead add an arousal modifier to the above dialog so that when the player asks for it, arousal is considered for the result

5 hours ago, Villianize said:

Lastly I was wondering if as a suggestion, making one slave have sex/forced sex with another slave? much like how if the PC has sex with a slave

only reason this isn't already a function is due to the display names not appearing as such in dialogues, so in adding this in could mean asking slave to choose between bandit outlaw and bandit plunderer cuz all 3 are slaves, but slave names don't show in dialogues

edit:

names in dialogues gets even more frustrating when you're dealing with multiples of the same name, only different to pahe

Edited March 19, 2022 by CliftonJD

[MX105]

Thanks for the great mod. After playing it for some time I found some bugs: (I am using 2.6.2)

 

1. The tdf prostitution dialogues still exists when I talk to a slaver who was a slave (The slave status says she is a free person now so one of the mods is reading status wrong I guess).

2. When re-enslave a previous slaver, she will lose some of the PAH dialogue options like "OK slave..." and "You're going to wear this."

 

Also, for bug 1 I have a suggestion (I remember the slaver part is still work in progress so you might have already considered this):

There should be 2 different types of slaver: hired free NPCs and well-trained salves. If I trained a slave well, I would not want to free her only to train other slaves for me.

[TrollAutokill]

1 hour ago, w740su said:

Thanks for the great mod. After playing it for some time I found some bugs: (I am using 2.6.2)

 

1. The tdf prostitution dialogues still exists when I talk to a slaver who was a slave (The slave status says she is a free person now so one of the mods is reading status wrong I guess).

2. When re-enslave a previous slaver, she will lose some of the PAH dialogue options like "OK slave..." and "You're going to wear this."

 

Also, for bug 1 I have a suggestion (I remember the slaver part is still work in progress so you might have already considered this):

There should be 2 different types of slaver: hired free NPCs and well-trained salves. If I trained a slave well, I would not want to free her only to train other slaves for me.

Slaves and slavers have different routine. You can not have an actor in both routines, that would certainly end up with CTD.

 

The solution would be to add a training state to the slave routine. It's on the to-do list, it might come at some point.

Edited March 19, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[CliftonJD]

7 hours ago, w740su said:

Thanks for the great mod. After playing it for some time I found some bugs: (I am using 2.6.2)

 

1. The tdf prostitution dialogues still exists when I talk to a slaver who was a slave (The slave status says she is a free person now so one of the mods is reading status wrong I guess).

that part comes from preserving the slaver's old slave stats to be re-acquired if you choose to re-enslave her later. the tdf patch wasn't written to determine if its still a slave, only that it has slave stats and if the slave stats are high enough, its eligible for the tdf slave dialogues. before dom or before this feature of dom there was no reason to check if its still a slave once it has the slave stats. what's more tdf is undergoing a huge rewrite for which slaves will be removed from the list and moved to an ex-slave faction when working independently. becomes difficult to track who should be eligible for slave slut dialogues if they keep their slave stats, but some with stats are meant to be free and others are only meant to be freed as independent sluts

 

if you're certain you want this to happen, dom can use the ex-slave faction to mark freed slaves and a new faction can be setup for marking sluts removed from pahe to be independent prostitutes eligible for later return

[Antiope_Apollonia]

On 3/18/2022 at 2:17 PM, TrollAutokill said:

hope you and your family and friends are safe.

Thank you.  Fortunately, my closest ones and I are all on the right side of the border, but lots of my friends have family who aren't so lucky.  

 

On 3/18/2022 at 2:17 PM, TrollAutokill said:

There is a toggle in the MCM DoM debug tab. Next version will have the default ignore friendly hit in combat, except for slaves calling for help.

That's excellent news!  I was really worried upon reading about that update.  Glad you found a solution!

 

On 3/18/2022 at 2:17 PM, TrollAutokill said:

Anyway HCHHS doesn't have any relationship set. Plus that would require patches for RDO and other mods.

Maybe it's time for an HCHHS update.  I found the post, and it was you who had identified where HCHHS was breaking my game:

On 12/12/2021 at 11:58 AM, TrollAutokill said:

HCHS has faulty meshes, or maybe just not compatible with one of the latest updates. Maybe it's the use of BSTriShape instead of BSDynamicTriShape, but I had the same problem as you with it. Head meshes are a nightmare in Skyrim, think black face, default ugly face, neck seam, neck gap and CTD...

 

I solved it using nif converter/optimizer to transform the meshes to LE then check "head parts" box then transfer back to SE. Cathedral assets optimizer was not enough.

Maybe you can share what you fixed to get HCHHS working and how?  I just looked, and although HCHHS hasn't been updated in a couple of years, @Heroine HoneyCrotch is still active on the Lab, so perhaps an update that includes proper relationship settings could be in the cards?

 

On 3/18/2022 at 2:17 PM, TrollAutokill said:

Yes, but who are we to judge?

Lol.

 

On 3/18/2022 at 2:17 PM, TrollAutokill said:

This is listed as non-functional in the mod description. So no effect.

So do you have a plan for these promises to do something in the future?  I like the idea a lot in theory.  Some of them seem hard to implement in a reasonable way, but the simple ones like the promise to be gentle should be doable.

 

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Sounds like you've already addressed a lot of my notes in the updates I've missed.  I look forward to playing with the new version.  I'd be quite interested to hear your thoughts on the AYGAS stuff I sketched out, though!

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

46 minutes ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

I found the post, and it was you who had identified where HCHHS was breaking my game:

Feel free to post on HCHHS page

Edited March 19, 2022 by Heroine HoneyCrotch

[MX105]

Thanks for the replies!

 

11 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Slaves and slavers have different routine. You can not have an actor in both routines, that would certainly end up with CTD.

 

The solution would be to add a training state to the slave routine. It's on the to-do list, it might come at some point.

I'm looking forward to it!

 

6 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

that part comes from preserving the slaver's old slave stats to be re-acquired if you choose to re-enslave her later. the tdf patch wasn't written to determine if its still a slave, only that it has slave stats and if the slave stats are high enough, its eligible for the tdf slave dialogues. before dom or before this feature of dom there was no reason to check if its still a slave once it has the slave stats. what's more tdf is undergoing a huge rewrite for which slaves will be removed from the list and moved to an ex-slave faction when working independently. becomes difficult to track who should be eligible for slave slut dialogues if they keep their slave stats, but some with stats are meant to be free and others are only meant to be freed as independent sluts

Now I fully understand the tdf part.

 

4 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

if you're certain you want this to happen, dom can use the ex-slave faction to mark freed slaves and a new faction can be setup for marking sluts removed from pahe to be independent prostitutes eligible for later return

Does this mean if I need to make a slaver return to a slave, I need to the following steps: 1.release her from slaver list("I don't need your service anymore") ; 2. edit her factions (through console?) to set her as a freed slave and remove her from pahe; 3.re-enslave her and train again from the beginning? It could be much more convenient if there is a reset a slave/slaver button in dom's mcm (like the pahe one). Or may I just manually modify all the factions to be the exact same as they were in an old save through console, to turn her back to the slave state of the old save?

[TrollAutokill]

9 hours ago, w740su said:

Thanks for the replies!

 

I'm looking forward to it!

 

Now I fully understand the tdf part.

 

Does this mean if I need to make a slaver return to a slave, I need to the following steps: 1.release her from slaver list("I don't need your service anymore") ; 2. edit her factions (through console?) to set her as a freed slave and remove her from pahe; 3.re-enslave her and train again from the beginning? It could be much more convenient if there is a reset a slave/slaver button in dom's mcm (like the pahe one). Or may I just manually modify all the factions to be the exact same as they were in an old save through console, to turn her back to the slave state of the old save?

Just 1. and re-enslave, the training will be saved, no need to retrain.

[InsanityFactor]

Been out of the game for a while, might start checking out all this new stuff soon.

 

I notice that "2.6.2 is to be used with PAHE 8.0.9" but I don't see that version on the PAHE downloads, only 8.1+, does that work?

 

If not, then @CliftonJD or anyone who has it could I bother you for a link to 8.09?

[TrollAutokill]

4 hours ago, InsanityFactor said:

Been out of the game for a while, might start checking out all this new stuff soon.

 

I notice that "2.6.2 is to be used with PAHE 8.0.9" but I don't see that version on the PAHE downloads, only 8.1+, does that work?

 

If not, then @CliftonJD or anyone who has it could I bother you for a link to 8.09?

Use 2.7.x with 8.1

I need to update the page.

[Gukahn]

The Furniture update works and finally they get recognized as Bondage. I am so happy!

Spoiler

She is not..  ?

 

 

[TrollAutokill]

18 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

The Furniture update works and finally they get recognized as Bondage. I am so happy!

  Hide contents

She is not..  ?

 

 

I still have problems with slaves moving with the furniture when you hit them too hard...

[Gukahn]

30 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

I still have problems with slaves moving with the furniture when you hit them too hard...

 

So far i don't have that. I tried hitting her countless times with power attacks, even used Kindness on her and she doesn't move ^^

 

Spoiler

 

But if it happens to you, maybe its because i still have Zap Helper installed.

[MX105]

16 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Just 1. and re-enslave, the training will be saved, no need to retrain.

Doing in this way will lost some pahe dialogue options (I can no longer see dialogues like "OK, slave...", "You're going to wear this" etc.). Some are still there like "You, strip! I'm going to have some fun with you" but most other pahe dialogues don't show up. I tested this on unique NPCs, and none of them were cloned or cleaned.

[InsanityFactor]

12 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Use 2.7.x with 8.1

I need to update the page.

Got it, sounds good thanks.

[sidfu1]

1 hour ago, w740su said:

Doing in this way will lost some pahe dialogue options (I can no longer see dialogues like "OK, slave...", "You're going to wear this" etc.). Some are still there like "You, strip! I'm going to have some fun with you" but most other pahe dialogues don't show up. I tested this on unique NPCs, and none of them were cloned or cleaned.

was gonan report this also. if you try to clone them after capture thru dialogue or even thru  mcm they lose any pahe dialogue.  not counting if they not cloned you have to deal with their inventory refesh for any unique npc.

the perfect person to test this son is keeper carcet.  you can just coc HallOfTheVigilant01 then use her to test.

Edited March 21, 2022 by sidfu1

[Villianize]

Running into an issue where if you try to tie up a slave, they can become angry and attempt to draw their weapon while being tied up. When this happens they are "tied up" where they can't move but can't have the "remove restraints" dialogue done to them, essentially making them stuck.

 

Also does applying slavetats incorporate key words like humiliating clothes does? I'm wanting to use it a bit more with pah and dom. Just asking to find out if they are just for aesthetics or can/do have a function in game.

[TrollAutokill]

6 hours ago, w740su said:

Doing in this way will lost some pahe dialogue options (I can no longer see dialogues like "OK, slave...", "You're going to wear this" etc.). Some are still there like "You, strip! I'm going to have some fun with you" but most other pahe dialogues don't show up. I tested this on unique NPCs, and none of them were cloned or cleaned.

Yes, there is no reclean or reclone when reenslaving, that's default PAHE behaviour. Check the dialogue "Let's have a serious chat" it should have clone and clean options if the slave was never cloned or cleaned.

[TrollAutokill]

1 hour ago, Villianize said:

Running into an issue where if you try to tie up a slave, they can become angry and attempt to draw their weapon while being tied up. When this happens they are "tied up" where they can't move but can't have the "remove restraints" dialogue done to them, essentially making them stuck.

 

Also does applying slavetats incorporate key words like humiliating clothes does? I'm wanting to use it a bit more with pah and dom. Just asking to find out if they are just for aesthetics or can/do have a function in game.

I am not sure what you mean. Could you elaborate?