Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Anunya said:

I'm really big on "owner invincibility" myself.

Yes, there's a real disconnect when using the new assisted unlock feature on the owner, but the main purpose is to finally make it practical for the owner to be the keeper of the keys, using the "owner takes your keys" feature.  The owner is pretty smug when unlocking you, but there just isn't anything to be said when the roles are reversed (there's one humorous line that I'll let players discover).

 

I couldn't think of a way to have the owner proactively unlock him/herself without causing conflicts, so it's up to the player to just handle it.

 

1 hour ago, Anunya said:

It's probably not any more practical (nor to everyone's taste), but my preference is that if the owner gets stuck in some nasty devious devices and can't escape Lola gets handed over to some new owner, and the former owner's status is lowered (sent off to Follower Slavery or demoted to playmate or whatever).

The change notes do suggest that temporarily promoting the playmate to owner to help with the unlocking might become permanent, but that's purely a roleplaying decision for the player.  It could be an immersive way to shake things up if the situation arises.

Edited February 20, 2024 by HexBolt8

[SkyAddiction]

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

The change notes do suggest that temporarily promoting the playmate to owner to help with the unlocking might become permanent, but that's purely a roleplaying decision for the player.  It could be an immersive way to shake things up if the situation arises.

 

That's actually a really elegant solution to a whole host of situations.

[RanmaZ]

Can anyone help me out?

I want to make OAR work with the mod, how can i exclude the whipping animation from Lola to be replaced by OAR MCO?

[Hex Bolt]

4 hours ago, RanmaZ said:

I want to make OAR work with the mod, how can i exclude the whipping animation from Lola to be replaced by OAR MCO?

This mod just uses the whipping scene from Zaz Animation Pack, so that's really a question for that mod's support topic.

[Delite]

The owner rapes the character after whipping even in new version of the mod. It is definitely because of Dynamic Defeat. When I turn this option off, nothing strange happens.

"All down" scenario is enabled. "Can be knocked down by everyone" (or something like that, sorry, I don't remember) is disabled. There are only two situations when the owner doesn't rape the character:

1. When "Dynamic" option is disabled.

2. When the owner is a female. Yes, I enabled only male aggressors in Defeat options.

Another problem.

Sometimes two different events start at the same time. For example, I travelled by carriage from Solitude to Markarth, and the owner gave Lola a quest to bring him a drink AND right after it he tells that he is displeased and starts whipping the character. Also Lola kneels with a high delay after the owner tells her to do so. Seems like it is because of script-heavy mods, but honestly I have no idea which one of them causes such script delays.

Here is my Modwatch:

https://modwat.ch/u/Anyname

Third question.

Can I dress my character in different Devious Devices, that are not related to Submissive Lola mod? I currently have my character dressed as shown in the screenshot below (spoiler). Is this acceptable, or could it potentially cause conflicts?

Spoiler

 

Edited February 22, 2024 by Delite

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, Delite said:

The owner rapes the character after whipping even in new version of the mod. It is definitely because of Dynamic Defeat.

Are you using Dynamic Defeat LRG Patch version 1.6.2 or higher?

 

3 hours ago, Delite said:

I travelled by carriage from Solitude to Markarth, and the owner gave Lola a quest to bring him a drink AND right after it he tells that he is displeased and starts whipping the character.

There is a status check for other events running before the punishment scene will be started, but it's conceivable that two process in parallel (location change event and periodic update cycle) might have activated at exactly the same time.  I will add an extra status check on the quest for the punishment scene, though I'm not sure how much that will help.

 

3 hours ago, Delite said:

Lola kneels with a high delay after the owner tells her to do so. Seems like it is because of script-heavy mods, but honestly I have no idea which one of them causes such script delays.

Before kneeling, the mod checks for armor and/or arrows that should be unequipped (options in the SLTR MCM that the player has to enable) and it removes the high heels effect (if present) if the PC is female and the "Clear High Heel's Height" option is enabled in SexLab.  Possibly these are adding some delay.  I don't use the high heels effect, but I do use armor and arrow unequipping and I don't notice any delay at all.  Armor unequipping time might be increased by mods that react whenever armor is removed.  If you're using that feature in SLTR, you might turn it off to see if it makes a difference.  If it does, one of your mods might be doing a lot of processing when you remove a piece of armor (or arrows).

 

3 hours ago, Delite said:

Can I dress my character in different Devious Devices, that are not related to Submissive Lola mod?

Yes.  This mod only cares about keywords, so any device that is properly implemented will work well with this mod.  Everything in Devious Devices is okay, and most mods that add new devices just copy & paste from Devious Devices, so it would be rare to come across one that would be a problem for this mod.

Edited February 22, 2024 by HexBolt8

[Delite]

12 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Are you using Dynamic Defeat LRG Patch version 1.6.2 or higher?

No, I wasn't using it. I'm sorry, I had to check it firstly. I've installed new version of this patch and now the bug is gone.

 

12 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Before kneeling, the mod checks for armor and/or arrows that should be unequipped (options in the SLTR MCM that the player has to enable) and it removes the high heels effect (if present) if the PC is female and the "Clear High Heel's Height" option is enabled in SexLab.  Possibly these are adding some delay.  I don't use the high heels effect, but I do use armor and arrow unequipping and I don't notice any delay at all.  Armor unequipping time might be increased by mods that react whenever armor is removed.  If you're using that feature in SLTR, you might turn it off to see if it makes a difference.  If it does, one of your mods might be doing a lot of processing when you remove a piece of armor (or arrows).

I don't use this SLTR option. If I understand correctly, only few mods in my modlist check if the character is naked:

1. Defeat and Cursed Loot for "Cover self animation" option.

2. SexLab Aroused.

Anyway, thanks for the consideration. I will keep in mind that some mods can cause delays due to checking if the character is naked.

Edited February 23, 2024 by Delite

[Herowynne]

22 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

it removes the high heels effect (if present) if the PC is female and the "Clear High Heel's Height" option is enabled in SexLab.  Possibly these are adding some delay.  I don't use the high heels effect

I use the Clear High Heels option, and it works great for Lola, and it seems very quick without a noticeable delay.

[kingsglaive]

What do you think about this idea?
I think that before Lola becomes a master's slave, the master must establish a strict and unequal sex slave rule with Lola, which stipulates that Lola should abide by the rules as a sex slave. Lola must strictly abide by and must fully memorize the entire content of the rules. .
The content of the rules can be formulated based on the existing content of the MOD.
From time to time, the master will ask Lola to recite the sex slave rules through daily services. The content is completely random. Lola will be punished if she recites the wrong content.
The master will check whether Lola becomes a qualified and excellent sex slave through the sex slave rules.
Of course, this rule will stop once Lola is freed from her master's servitude.

 

 

I feel like this is okay

      "Preface: During the period when Lola becomes the master's slave (if the signing period is, for example, one week, it will be "within the next week"), the sex slave Lola voluntarily becomes the master's slave and will strictly abide by the following sex slave rules:"

     "Sex Slave Rules Article 1: The slave must unconditionally obey any order from the master at any time."

     "Rule 2 of the Sex Slave Rules: When speaking to the master, the slave must address himself as "Master" and at the same time call himself "Lola."

     "Article 3 of the Sex Slave Rules: The slave must defend the safety of his master with his life. He must not let his master be harmed, and he must not harm his own master."

     "Article 4 of the Sex Slave Rules. From the beginning of training, the slave's body has completely belonged to the master and is regarded as the master's property. The slave is not allowed to touch it without the master's permission."
     "Article 5 of the Sex Slave Rules, the slave can only wear the clothes designated by the master. Only when the master does not order, can he wear his own clothes freely." (Perhaps a new function can be added? For example, an Outfit Task similar to Coffees? The master will ask Lola to wear Did he arrange the costumes for a period of time?)
     "Article 6 of the Sex Slave Rules,..."

     ..."Sex Slave Rules Article 23,..."
(The above...maybe HexBolt8 can use his imagination?)
     "The last article of the sex slave rules is that when the contract signed between the slave and the master expires, the slave can ask the master to release him after completing all the tasks of the master."

Edited February 24, 2024 by kingsglaive

[Hex Bolt]

33 minutes ago, kingsglaive said:

What do you think about this idea?

I think this is the sort of thing that works better in a real-life master-slave relationship.  Memory challenges in a game have the risk of just not being fun, especially for people who can only play the game for short amounts of time.  There is one memory challenge (Confessions), but it's intentionally very short.

[kingsglaive]

11 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

我认为这种事情在现实生活中的主从关系中效果更好。游戏中的记忆力挑战可能会变得不那么有趣，尤其是对于只能玩很短时间的游戏的人来说。有一项记忆挑战（《忏悔录》），但故意写得很短。

It can be set shorter, or simply write down all the rules and put them on the MCM for other players to reference for cheating. I think this is similar to (Confessions of a Slave).

[Eric Cartmen]

I've had a recurring issue (that's not game-breaking so I've mostly ignored it), where the butt plug for the Pony tail sits about three feet below Lola when equipped (it's only visible if she jumps in the air). There's no problem if the butt-plug is switched to a tailless version, so I've not seen it as a major problem. However, it is a bit odd in that situation, with characters referring to a lush tail that doesn't exist.

 

I'm sure this is most likely a problem on my end (mod conflict/I've accidentally missed a step in installation etc.), but I was wondering if anyone else had experienced this, or had any advice?

[shrtjsrtj]

What about an evaluation event?

 

There were people earlier asking for a slave papers event, but that doesn't fit the theme of nothing being permanent. An event where you/your owner gets some paper work with your name on it and an associated gold value would hit some of the same notes, and not have that issue.

 

Maybe you get sent to the Markarth bank or a general store like Pawned Prawn or Belathors where they test out your sex skills, put a gold value on you, and give you a piece of paper to take back to your owner with. It's just a piece of paper with no lasting impact. The owner could use it as an empty threat to sell you similar to the threat to tie you to a tree for bandits, to see how well their training is working out, or tie it into where the owner buys you back from Simple Slavery. Or something else.

 

Spoiler

A few ideas to spice it up:

 

-Maybe you get sent off with some other trinkets that need to be evaluated, so when you get evaluated too it's a a surprise. Bonus objectification points if a trinket is more valuable than you.

-Maybe you can say to the evaluator that you're an adventuring slave but they laugh it off and you get tested as I sex slave.

-Could use Sexlab skills for part of the evaluation, so if you're a grandmaster in oral you probably want that to be tested.

 

 

[shrtjsrtj]

12 minutes ago, Eric Cartmen said:

I've had a recurring issue (that's not game-breaking so I've mostly ignored it), where the butt plug for the Pony tail sits about three feet below Lola when equipped (it's only visible if she jumps in the air). There's no problem if the butt-plug is switched to a tailless version, so I've not seen it as a major problem. However, it is a bit odd in that situation, with characters referring to a lush tail that doesn't exist.

 

I'm sure this is most likely a problem on my end (mod conflict/I've accidentally missed a step in installation etc.), but I was wondering if anyone else had experienced this, or had any advice?

 

That's usually a physics issue.

 

So maybe a different version of Faster SMP or building a different tail in bodyslide will fix it.

[Eric Cartmen]

17 hours ago, shrtjsrtj said:

 

That's usually a physics issue.

 

So maybe a different version of Faster SMP or building a different tail in bodyslide will fix it.

I don't use Faster SMP. Was I supposed to?

 

I tried rebuilding bodyslide, but I couldn't see a reference to butt plugs. I could see other parts of the outfit, but not the plugs. (Which is weird, as the plug is definitely in-game. Just in the wrong place). I rebuilt anyway, but the plug is still not where it should be. Ah well, like I said before, it's not a massive issue. Just annoying.

[shrtjsrtj]

5 hours ago, Eric Cartmen said:

I don't use Faster SMP. Was I supposed to?

 

I tried rebuilding bodyslide, but I couldn't see a reference to butt plugs. I could see other parts of the outfit, but not the plugs. (Which is weird, as the plug is definitely in-game. Just in the wrong place). I rebuilt anyway, but the plug is still not where it should be. Ah well, like I said before, it's not a massive issue. Just annoying.

 

My apologies, I thought there were more options for building non HDT items but after a quick look through them in Bodyslide, it seems to be only for items with chains. Faster SMP or HDT SMP are listed as a requirement in the description for DD 5.2 though, so you'll probably see issues like this with other DD items in the future. I'm guessing dresses will be another pain point.

 

I'm far from an expert, so you're better off asking for options in the DD thread if you really don't want to install Faster SMP/HDT SMP.

[CaptainJ03]

10 hours ago, Eric Cartmen said:

I don't use Faster SMP. Was I supposed to?

Depends if you're on LE or SE. Faster SMP is for the latter, for Oldrim you need HDT Physics Extension to have bouncing boobs etc.

Most DD outfits have the option to build it with or without HDT (at least that's the case with LE) so you don't really need it. Ponytails and chains of course won't work without it, some people with too fast machines even have HDT hair...

Fortunately this mod has the option to use the plug only, without any tail. Is that at the right position?

 

 

@HexBolt8 Suspend events seems a bit buggy. I allowed "Owner can demand sex" - but now she wants the Whirterun Walk (current variant, however that's called)

[Hex Bolt]

9 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Suspend events seems a bit buggy. I allowed "Owner can demand sex" - but now she wants the Whirterun Walk (current variant, however that's called)

The generic term for the event is Parade.  I don't see anything wrong with the conditions or any way to get from owner demanding sex to the parade event.  Are you possibly using any of the add-ons for SLTR?

 

Edit:  I found the problem.  Thank you for reporting this.  I never would have spotted it otherwise.

Edited February 25, 2024 by HexBolt8

[CaptainJ03]

2 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

The generic term for the event is Parade.  I don't see anything wrong with the conditions or any way to get from owner demanding sex to the parade event.

So that's just Skyrim being silly again...

We've had that event before, Submission Score is 99.x - so maybe something is baked in the save, regardless of the current suspense.

 

2 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Are you possibly using any of the add-ons for SLTR?

No, never had any of those installed on this machine.

 

Another inconvenience: With Confessions of a Slave I more often than not chose to tell both confessions to the same person, saves me some running. It seems that those who I left out aren't cleared properly from the stack. I had to go to Bolli, but had four quest markers on him. Came across Tythis Ulen on my way, but he had no dialogue for this (which is correct behaviour)

 

Spoiler

 

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

With Confessions of a Slave I more often than not chose to tell both confessions to the same person, saves me some running. It seems that those who I left out aren't cleared properly from the stack. I had to go to Bolli, but had four quest markers on him. Came across Tythis Ulen on my way, but he had no dialogue for this (which is correct behaviour)

Okay, I will be sure to clear all the objectives when the quest ends, though unfortunately that won't remove any that are already stuck in an ongoing game.

 

You probably know this, but the score reward is a bit larger if you tell the confessions to two different people (compensation for the extra running).

[Hex Bolt]

9 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Suspend events seems a bit buggy. I allowed "Owner can demand sex" - but now she wants the Whirterun Walk (current variant, however that's called)

I have an update on this.  When I looked at the conditions earlier, everything checked out okay.  However, I overlooked that there's a script for the "sex quest" (yes, it's a quest) that toggles the flag for blocking events on and off so that no new event can trigger during the scene.  Normally that's good, but if sex with the owner is enabled while events are suspended, it leaves new events unblocked (big oops).  I've now fixed it at the common point where that flag gets set, so this problem should never occur again, even if SLTR (or an add-on) repeats this mistake.

 

Thank you for mentioning this, particularly the detail about the "Owner can demand sex" option.  For now, I recommend turning that option off.  That loophole will be fixed in the next update.

[kingsglaive]

new collar

[arthurioBoomer]

Hi. I did DBVO for this mod (will make your immersion even more). You can check this and some other bdsm-theme voice over here - 

ill

[Eric Cartmen]

On 2/25/2024 at 7:21 AM, CaptainJ03 said:

Depends if you're on LE or SE. Faster SMP is for the latter, for Oldrim you need HDT Physics Extension to have bouncing boobs etc.

Most DD outfits have the option to build it with or without HDT (at least that's the case with LE) so you don't really need it. Ponytails and chains of course won't work without it, some people with too fast machines even have HDT hair...

Fortunately this mod has the option to use the plug only, without any tail. Is that at the right position?

 

Thanks to you and shrtjsrtj for helping me out. The plug does indeed work by itself.

 

I must have overlooked the Faster SMP requirement for DD. I've installed it and the tails now work fine.

[shimemiya]

Hey, I just updated to the newest version, and asking my Mistress to change my collar option seems to have disappeared. Is it because I'm in a contract, or what else would cause this option just to disappear?