Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[donttouchmethere]

2 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Another oddity.

PC got bound and gagged by a Cursed Loot trap, with Devious Lore I can ask any follower to unlock me, Lola of course asked her Mistress.

Got the small notification that I can offer service and did that.

Stood up, nothing but "Mistress beckons to you" - which just happens from time to time. Okay, so I talked to her. Normally it just continues playing the scene, this time the script assumed that I said no to her request or tabbed out. I never got the option to comply, my answers were always only no, until "Never! Fuck you!" at the end. With the initial request not even appearing once on screen, Lola and I didn't have the faintest idea what Mistress wanted.

I was still gagged when I asked for service.

 

Only lines SLtR related in the logfile is this:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

at the start of the game:

[06/12/2023 - 08:32:39PM] Loading game...
[06/12/2023 - 08:32:39PM] Cannot open store for class "vkj_s0504248B", missing file?
[06/12/2023 - 08:32:39PM] WARNING: Unable to get type vkj_s0504248B referenced by the save game. Objects of this type will not be loaded.
[06/12/2023 - 08:32:39PM] WARNING: Unable to get type zazWhp_NPCscript referenced by the save game. Objects of this type will not be loaded.
[06/12/2023 - 08:32:39PM] WARNING: Variable ::AO_Quest_var on script AR_Ref_AliasScript has an invalid type ao_questscript loaded from save. This variable will be skipped.
[06/12/2023 - 08:32:39PM] WARNING: Variable JJSofiaVariables on script WW42GYHSofiaMaintenanceScript has an invalid type jjsofiavariablesscript loaded from save. This variable will be skipped.
[06/12/2023 - 08:32:40PM] WARNING: Could not find type vkj_s0504248B in the type table in save
[06/12/2023 - 08:32:40PM] WARNING: Could not find type zazWhp_NPCscript in the type table in save
[06/12/2023 - 08:32:40PM] WARNING: Could not find type zazWhp_NPCscript in the type table in save
[06/12/2023 - 08:32:40PM] WARNING: Could not find type zazWhp_NPCscript in the type table in save
[06/12/2023 - 08:32:40PM] WARNING: Could not find type zazWhp_NPCscript in the type table in save
[06/12/2023 - 08:32:40PM] WARNING: Could not find type zazWhp_NPCscript in the type table in save

 

during the above mentioned scene:

[06/12/2023 - 08:44:05PM] Error: File "Love Sickness.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded.
stack:
	<unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?
	[vkjMQ (22026EC9)].vkjMQ.IsLovesick() - "vkjmq.psc" Line 4018
	[vkjTrick (2202AA5A)].vkjtrick.OnInit() - "vkjtrick.psc" Line 51

...but the same lines appear 8 minutes earlier w/o anything gone wrong

 

 

I don't expect you to find anything with this vague description, but sometimes one already has that nagging thought of "did I do that right?"

 

Could this be the same reason for the odd scene you got there?:

@coffeeink "if you return to the Owner to say that you prepared the bed that a Devious Interest Dialogue is hooked in between. So except some weird interactions."

 

DI includes own gag talk outcomes

Edited June 13, 2023 by donttouchmethere

[coffeeink]

Hello.

this warning i wrote is basically just my personal expirences. 

Rly no offense against DI and DCL. They are good mods and do what they want to do good. There are a tons of mods which might cause the same issue (SLS also sometimes with the guards). It’s in the nature of the feature. I just mentioned them because during my testing i had these 2 mods a popular mods in my loading chain and i ran into some small issues i can’t avoid on my side without actively patching other ppls Code.

you can disable parts of the mods and configure that it works. But to be honest most ppl don’t deep dive into this settings  and default settings you will at some point into issues. Neither of the side can avoid. 

 

But on how DI and DDC designed to work with Gag Talk, Device Comments is, if the Conditions are met they are making a blocking Dialogue.

Force Greets are often also blocking Dialogues (at least the lola ones are mainly blocking)

you are now entering the hell of Priority fighting. The blocking Dialogue with the highest priority wins.

I just mentioned these 2 because i know these mods and had them in my testchains which caused sometimes very weird interactions like: instead of getting released from a furniture i got random DDs equiped. Etc.

 

Thats what i mean with weird interactions. Often they are technical harmless sometimes not. Thats why i list it as „soft/minor incompatible“ and write that warning. Because i already saw ppl complaining that something is breaking somewhere because of this.

 

i General would recommend not to have to many active mods in that area. It‘s just a matter if time for some logic breaks

(that’s why i also don’t recommend DFC and Lola st the same time, even if it technical works)

Edited June 13, 2023 by coffeeink

[Lenore]

On 6/10/2023 at 7:13 AM, Lenore said:

I still haven't figured out why that's happening for me but I'll post if I do.

 

Just to let people know, this had nothing to do with this mod .. it was the follower I was using that caused the whipping scenes to be too strong. So I guess, be careful of which followers you use!

[Karkhel]

7 hours ago, coffeeink said:

i General would recommend not to have to many active mods in that area. It‘s just a matter if time for some logic breaks

(that’s why i also don’t recommend DFC and Lola st the same time, even if it technical works)

Whenever I have many mods that overlap with eachother I just moderately or severly neuter their scope, so for example DCL being in big part just slavery plus outcome, with non con approaches turned off (those are turned off by default anyway) with gag talk turned off and a couple other options. On this topic I have run into mods that I wish would play nice, like whorecrux and Prison overhaul patched. I never managed to make this work because whorecrux animation at the wrong time just pops you out of the furtniture.

Back to lola for a bit, the potion addition is honestly a big deal for my kind of roleplay I had a mod specifically for healing others without spells for whenever I didn't have a magic licence from SL survival, and this is a much better solution too. Also another reason you might visit a city to make some potions for both of you, having tempting reasons to do that make SL survival more fun.

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, Lenore said:

Just to let people know, this had nothing to do with this mod .. it was the follower I was using that caused the whipping scenes to be too strong. So I guess, be careful of which followers you use!

Thank you for the follow up.  Some followers are just overpowered.  Some editing of the mod can fix that, if a player has the time, knowledge, and desire.

 

In general, I think Difficulty Balance (available for LE & SE) is a must-have for followers.  Ashien's Cursed Rings (an LE mod, but it works with SE) can be used in addition to weaken a follower more.

Edited June 13, 2023 by HexBolt8

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Karkhel said:

Back to lola for a bit, the potion addition is honestly a big deal for my kind of roleplay I had a mod specifically for healing others without spells for whenever I didn't have a magic licence from SL survival, and this is a much better solution too. Also another reason you might visit a city to make some potions for both of you, having tempting reasons to do that make SL survival more fun.

I'm glad that you like it.  This feature is really outside the mod's scope, but it's the only system I could come up with that encourages using alchemy (without requiring it), without building a quest with owner potion demands, time limits, and minimum potion quantity and strength, only to find that after you provide the potions, the owner won't actually use them.  Encouraging players to visit cities is an added benefit.  Another is giving potions you can't use to your follower rather than selling them.  A warrior PC might not want magicka potions, but the mage owner does.  It's easy to roleplay that the owner demands (or takes) all magicka potions.

[Hex Bolt]

12 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

12 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Normally it just continues playing the scene, this time the script assumed that I said no to her request or tabbed out. I never got the option to comply, my answers were always only no, until "Never! Fuck you!" at the end. With the initial request not even appearing once on screen, Lola and I didn't have the faintest idea what Mistress wanted.

I wonder if that's because of the gag.  I will test this situation.

After a good amount of testing, I've concluded that gags are not a problem, at least when no other mods are installed that have special gag behavior (I didn't test that).

 

I think the problem is the kneeling angle fix.  Changing the PC's angle can cause a conversation to jump to the next line or even break out of conversation.

 

I happened to be testing the force greeting for not offering enough service.  That one forces a PC angle change (I don't know why I forced it, unless that predated the MCM setting).  If the force greeting starts with a short distance between PC and owner, so that the "beckons" message displays, clicking on the owner to talk always disrupts the dialog.  I removed that forced angle change (this change will be in the next update), and everything went well.

 

I suspect that players who have odd instances of being punished for breaking conversation when they didn't do anything is caused by having the angle fix when kneeling setting enabled and facing away enough that the fix triggers (you must be more than 15 degrees off).  You folks might try that and see if it makes a difference.  If it does, I will probably remove that feature.  A cosmetic fix isn't worth potentially breaking conversation (if that's what is actually happening).

Edited June 13, 2023 by HexBolt8

[Joeyccc1]

Hello, there I don't mean to be a pain but I am a bit confused on the spanking bit requirements for this mod. I'm having some trouble finding the stuff for the Devious followers spanking stuff. when I go to that page it tells me to download the  DF Spank SLAL mini-pack but doesn't show me how to get it like there is no link or anything, as well there is something about the spank that ass mod, is that mod part of what you were recommending for using or am I miss understanding. I am also planning on using a male player character and was just wondering if these spanking animations are going to work ok with the DF (and spank that ass if I didn't misunderstand your recommendation).  Anyways sorry for taking up some of your time or if my question was stupid, I just start modding Skyrim SE so i am kind of new at this, thank you for your time.

[Hex Bolt]

17 minutes ago, Joeyccc1 said:

I'm having some trouble finding the stuff for the Devious followers spanking stuff. when I go to that page it tells me to download the  DF Spank SLAL mini-pack but doesn't show me how to get it like there is no link or anything

Download link for that mod, second item from the top.  That's a good one, as is Rydin Overlap Spanking.

 

17 minutes ago, Joeyccc1 said:

there is something about the spank that ass mod, is that mod part of what you were recommending for using or am I miss understanding.

You don't need it.  But if you do, there's minor integration with it.  It's usually best to start simple, then add more mods later if you feel the need.

 

17 minutes ago, Joeyccc1 said:

I am also planning on using a male player character and was just wondering if these spanking animations are going to work ok with the DF (and spank that ass if I didn't misunderstand your recommendation).

Spanking animations from this mod should work fine.  Regardless of gender, the PC is placed in the spankee position.  However, I don't think Spank That Ass supports male PCs.

  

17 minutes ago, Joeyccc1 said:

I just start modding Skyrim SE so i am kind of new at this

When you install Devious Devices (install version 5.2), be sure to select the "For Him" option for male devices.  Sometimes players overlook that.

Edited June 13, 2023 by HexBolt8

[Lenore]

2 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Thank you for the follow up.  Some followers are just overpowered.  Some editing of the mod can fix that, if a player has the time, knowledge, and desire.

 

In general, I think Difficulty Balance (available for LE & SE) is a must-have for followers.  Ashien's Cursed Rings (an LE mod, but it works with SE) can be used in addition to weaken a follower more.

 

Thanks for the tip, I'll check those out.

[ratolas]

I don't know if it has something to do with this mod or my modlist, but whenever the owner choose the option to use the strap-on, she's the one on the bottom and lola wears the strap

[Hex Bolt]

20 minutes ago, ratolas said:

I don't know if it has something to do with this mod or my modlist, but whenever the owner choose the option to use the strap-on, she's the one on the bottom and lola wears the strap

That might be related to your SexLab gender settings.  For vaginal or anal intercourse, this mod always assigns the PC to the receiving position, so the owner would wear the strap-on unless something else switches the roles.

[Hex Bolt]

No new version today.

 

The update to the mod page added links to two add-ons, Coffee's Task Extension and TekknoTim's Addon.  It also added links to Devious Devices and various versions of Zaz Animation Pack, because some new players were having trouble finding them.

Edited June 14, 2023 by HexBolt8

[Joeyccc1]

Ah sorry to bother again but all the requirements for the mod to work are under installation, correct?

[ratolas]

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

That might be related to your SexLab gender settings.  For vaginal or anal intercourse, this mod always assigns the PC to the receiving position, so the owner would wear the strap-on unless something else switches the roles.

Thanks, I'll take a look at it

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Joeyccc1 said:

Ah sorry to bother again but all the requirements for the mod to work are under installation, correct?

No.  The complete list of requirements is in the File Information box beside the "Requires" label.  The installation section just offers advice and links to things that a few people had trouble finding.

[dnoah]

1 hour ago, Joeyccc1 said:

Ah sorry to bother again but all the requirements for the mod to work are under installation, correct?

They're on the download page (not forum post) under the green "download this file" button to the right, listed as 'SexLab, SexLab Aroused, ZAP 7 or higher, Devious Devices 5.2 or higher, Fuz Roh D-oh'. That said, dunno where spanking animations should come from, never seen them play on my end, but didn't bother to solve.

[Hex Bolt]

1 minute ago, dnoah said:

That said, dunno where spanking animations should come from, never seen them play on my end, but didn't bother to solve.

Now that is listed under Installation.

[Joeyccc1]

sorry again this should be the last thing hopefully, but should I have ZAZ load before or after Devious devices in the load order?

[donttouchmethere]

23 minutes ago, Joeyccc1 said:

sorry again this should be the last thing hopefully, but should I have ZAZ load before or after Devious devices in the load order?

Seems not to matter anymore, from what I see in Tes5edit. Traditionally I place ZAP before DD.

[Hex Bolt]

16 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

Seems not to matter anymore, from what I see in Tes5edit. Traditionally I place ZAP before DD.

That's right.  Devious Devices 5 has no dependence on ZAP, so the order does not matter.

[shrtjsrtj]

A few minor things I noticed. If you fail the treasure hunt you can just not turn it in, so the quest probably can't start again but at least you never get punished.

 

This reminded me of something from a couple of updates ago, where I did the tell two people I'm a slave, didn't turn it in and instead fast traveled out of town and soon after was at a bandit camp. The owned was zapping me a lot and I couldn't turn it in because I was in combat. Not sure if that's still possible as it was on an older version, I think it was 2.0.61.

 

And finally I have an issue with the fetch wine quest when told to strip. My character strips most things off but still keeps some things things on(just now it was slots 43, 47 and 48) for which I get zapped for a pretty hefty point loss. This one is really annoying because the stripping suggests you should be good to go but really you're not.

[CaptainJ03]

45 minutes ago, shrtjsrtj said:

And finally I have an issue with the fetch wine quest when told to strip. My character strips most things off but still keeps some things things on(just now it was slots 43, 47 and 48) for which I get zapped for a pretty hefty point loss. This one is really annoying because the stripping suggests you should be good to go but really you're not.

Yes, there are some slots that rarely get autostripped. My PC wears stockings and a belt which on most occasions stay on (never bothered to look up the slots) - but as a good slave, not expecting combat, you strip yourself. You have a grace period of a few seconds.

And if the zapping is too strong, turn it down in the MCM, Mistress will complain anyway.

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, shrtjsrtj said:

If you fail the treasure hunt you can just not turn it in, so the quest probably can't start again but at least you never get punished.

Thanks, I'll look at it, but even as it is, it's probably to your benefit to take the punishment and be able to do the quest again for the skill increase and score reward.

 

1 hour ago, shrtjsrtj said:

I have an issue with the fetch wine quest when told to strip. My character strips most things off but still keeps some things things on(just now it was slots 43, 47 and 48) for which I get zapped for a pretty hefty point loss. This one is really annoying because the stripping suggests you should be good to go but really you're not.

The Run, Lola, Run event strips items in the standard armor slots (body, head, hands, and feet).  Slots 43, 47, and 48 are generally used for ears, "Unused (Commonly Backpacks)", and anal plug.  For the naked Run, Lola, Run, the event punishes wearing items with the keywords ClothingBody, ArmorBody, ClothingHands, ArmorHands, ClothingHead, and ArmorHelm.  As you can see, none of those keywords should be on items in those slots.  The blame falls on mods that assign inappropriate keywords to accessories that are worn in these slots.  I recommend editing those mods to remove keywords that don't make sense.

 

As @CaptainJ03 said, "You have a grace period of a few seconds."  In the worst case, you can unequip the offending items, though removing inappropriate keywords would save you the trouble.

[Kryona]

I updated this mod (and also Devious Devices to 5.2) today and in the Main MCM page it says "Devious Devices version is obsolote" in red. Is this normal or does this mean the mod thinks my DD version is outdated?