Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Zoner324]

Sorry but I'm not sure what to do for the tomb raider quest and everytime I get it I dread since it'll basically just force my score to go down 

Is there an easy way to finish this quest

 

[Hex Bolt]

45 minutes ago, dewfergfedrftdervgfgnty said:

I'm not sure what to do for the tomb raider quest and everytime I get it I dread since it'll basically just force my score to go down 

You must loot gold from a "boss" chest (ornate design with a rounded top) in a dungeon or bandit camp.  When you do that, the quest will update and display a new quest objective to get your reward from your owner.  There's no actual item to be found, and the description of what the owner wants is intentionally vague to cover the desires of all owners.

 

Not every chest with that ornate design will have what your owner is looking for.  Don't pin your hopes on clearing a multi-level dungeon with just a day or two left.  The reason for designing the quest this way is to keep a light footprint and be as unobtrusive in the game as possible, with maximum compatibility with mods that might add boss chests.  Unfortunately, not all ornate chests in Skyrim are properly tagged as "BossContainer" chests.  The large majority are properly tagged, but unless you know from past experience that a specific chest is valid, it's best to leave yourself time to go loot another one.

 

Without prior knowledge of which chests are the right ones, the experience will feel random.  But it's actually not.  If Skyrim has tagged the chest as a boss chest, then the quest will always succeed when you loot the gold from it.  Skyrim has 335 real boss chests (443 with DLC), and in time they respawn.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

and sometimes little Strongboxes are marked as boss chests too.  The one in the skooma den cave (Cragslane Cavern I think?), the one in the back near the big boss chest.  

[Naps-On-Dirt]

I chose to use the "quick way out" of being Public Whore to trigger this mod, but when it was done, none of the buyers from my list were teleported to me.  I'm not sure who is supposed to be my owner now.  I have two followers already, is there a limit for this mod?  Should I have dismissed one before getting out of PW duty?  

[Hex Bolt]

57 minutes ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

I chose to use the "quick way out" of being Public Whore to trigger this mod, but when it was done, none of the buyers from my list were teleported to me.  I'm not sure who is supposed to be my owner now.  I have two followers already, is there a limit for this mod?  Should I have dismissed one before getting out of PW duty?  

There's no limit on followers as far as this mod is concerned, but your follower framework has to support that number, or recruiting a new follower won't work.  SLTR will display a pop-up message if recruiting a selected buyer fails.

 

If SLTR cannot select a buyer (no valid ones in the list), that will also display a pop-up message to "Seek out your benefactor".

 

So, if PW started enslavement to SLTR, and that process failed after SLTR started up, you should have seen a pop-up message.

 

It's possible that something went wrong in PW, so SLTR never got the hand-off.  Open SLTR's MCM and look at the top of the main page.  If you're enslaved to this mod, it will say "Main quest is running."

 

SLTR sometimes writes important information to the console, so if something doesn't work right, a player can just look in the console messages.  It's too late now, but when a buyer is selected, "SLTR selected buyer: XXXXX" is written to the console.

 

If the main quest is running (meaning that you're enslaved), you can use the button on this mod's MCM System page to move whoever the owner is to you.  If you look at your follower framework's MCM, it should list your followers somewhere, so you can see if a new one was added.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

3 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

There's no limit on followers as far as this mod is concerned, but your follower framework has to support that number, or recruiting a new follower won't work.  SLTR will display a pop-up message if recruiting a selected buyer fails.

 

If SLTR cannot select a buyer (no valid ones in the list), that will also display a pop-up message to "Seek out your benefactor".

 

So, if PW started enslavement to SLTR, and that process failed after SLTR started up, you should have seen a pop-up message.

 

It's possible that something went wrong in PW, so SLTR never got the hand-off.  Open SLTR's MCM and look at the top of the main page.  If you're enslaved to this mod, it will say "Main quest is running."

 

SLTR sometimes writes important information to the console, so if something doesn't work right, a player can just look in the console messages.  It's too late now, but when a buyer is selected, "SLTR selected buyer: XXXXX" is written to the console.

 

If the main quest is running (meaning that you're enslaved), you can use the button on this mod's MCM System page to move whoever the owner is to you.  If you look at your follower framework's MCM, it should list your followers somewhere, so you can see if a new one was added.

 

I will try it again shortly and look for all the debug info.  I know that A Strong Hand was running, but there was no owner listed in the MCM and I don't think the teleport button was available.  I will check the console this time to see whats up.

[blahity]

I've had an idea for a low obedience task (<20) that could serve as a precursor to prostitution. When entering a town the owner could give you a job as a tavern wench to take X number of orders, but you get approval from Mistress for each customer you give permission to grope or spank you, and disapproval for refusing. I think something like this might make the prostituting the PC feel less sudden.

 

At higher levels you could add bdsm clothes, tails, nudity, handjobs, etc.

Edited June 27, 2023 by blahity

[Naps-On-Dirt]

Captured Dreams is back as we all know, so I went through the slave start to see how it would play with DD 5.2 (it did fine, no problems) and after "graduating" from property slave to relationship slave, I continued playing the rest of the game again.  Tried once and will shortly try again to go from PW to SubLola, and realized that technically I'm now the Master's property, how can I justify doing SubLola.  RP-wise of course.  Game mechanics-wise I don't think there will be any conflicts.  So I'm gonna make the headcanon that my new owner (whoever it will be) is a "lieutenant" of the Master's and was put in charge of me. 

 

Would be interesting to see if there was some way to set an interaction between the two mods, but I don't know what that would be or how difficult to do, so, just an idea.   

[Hex Bolt]

17 minutes ago, blahity said:

I've had an idea for a low obedience task (<20) that could serve as a precursor to prostitution. When entering a town the owner could give you a job as a tavern wench to take X number of orders, but you get approval from Mistress for each customer you give permission to grope or spank you, and disapproval for refusing. I think something like this might make the prostituting the PC feel less sudden.

I really like your idea for a precursor to prostitution, to offer a transition to the sex work (for players who don't simply lower the score threshold and put Lola to work right away).

 

Since I've been able to mark off a lot of items on my list with the recent updates, tavern dancing happens to be at the top right now.  That could be framed very nicely as a prostitution precursor.  It could also be used long-term to warm up a crowd, or as a short event just to show Lola off when prostitution is on cooldown, so the degree of use justifies the effort.

 

It's not what you suggested, but spanking could be an optional addition to the confessions event, depending on NPC reaction (it might be punishment, or something a naughty slave would enjoy).

 

Serving tables could be some significant work, especially with the groping options -- and Radiant Prostitution has a similar job.  That could be a lot of time invested for an event that players wouldn't experience for long.  There's also a scarcity of groping animations.  (Horrible Harassment has one.  Body Search's animation is more a search than a grope.)  Players would have to have something suitable installed, unless we're just going to display a message like "Nazeem fondles your breasts".  So, that one might not be so practical.

[Hex Bolt]

23 minutes ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

...technically I'm now the Master's property, how can I justify doing SubLola.  RP-wise of course.  Game mechanics-wise I don't think there will be any conflicts.  So I'm gonna make the headcanon that my new owner (whoever it will be) is a "lieutenant" of the Master's and was put in charge of me. 

Why should Master have to do all the work, right?  Delegation also happens to be the theme of a new feature coming in the next version of SLTR.

 

Let us know if you find any conflicts.  There's probably not much that SLTR could do about it, but there might be a device combination that it can take into account.

 

37 minutes ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

Captured Dreams is back as we all know, so I went through the slave start

Was that through Simple Slavery?  I believe one of the alternate start mods also starts you as a CD slave.

 

33 minutes ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

Would be interesting to see if there was some way to set an interaction between the two mods, but I don't know what that would be or how difficult to do, so, just an idea.

The mechanisms are different (stay-at-home master versus companion master).  I'm not sure what sort of interaction would work.  Of course, anything that reflects on Captured Dreams would need the author's permission.  However, an "I'd like to visit Captured Dreams" event (or Laura's Bondage Shop) would be harmless.

[blahity]

@HexBolt8I think your idea is really cool! I didn't know Radiant Prostitution had a similar job (I don't use it, prefer the simpler prostitution already included in your mod). Taking orders was mostly an afterthought, the main idea was to make Lola be a wench to get used to being groped (and maybe doing some of the groping). Tavern Dancing will be fun, especially if approached by "fans" after the dance, since Mistress wants you to learn how to behave.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

56 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Let us know if you find any conflicts.  There's probably not much that SLTR could do about it, but there might be a device combination that it can take into account.

 

Was that through Simple Slavery?  I believe one of the alternate start mods also starts you as a CD slave.

 

 

Offhand the only conflict I can think of is that CD is chastity-happy.  As a relationship slave I was given a ring to unlock my belt (so I don't wear it at all) but the Master said she might rescind that privilege at any time.

 

I didn't start it through SS++ this time, I just hit the MCM button to start player slavery.    But I'll have it as a SS++ outcome, so we'll see what happens when a "relationship slave" gets sold back to them.    

[Hex Bolt]

12 minutes ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

Offhand the only conflict I can think of is that CD is chastity-happy.

Oh, right.  It's been a long time, so I'd forgotten that.  That would block some events, and limit others to oral sex.

[Talesien]

4 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

It's possible that something went wrong in PW, so SLTR never got the hand-off.  Open SLTR's MCM and look at the top of the main page.  If you're enslaved to this mod, it will say "Main quest is running."

May be unrelated, but I had the same problem just yesterday but using SS. Was sold to Mjoll, but she was not teleported to the Auction Room, ran into her after leaving the auction and the scene ran normally, just in the middle of the Riften Market. Wrote if off, as something seems to be going on with my SS since the last update. During the auction, only the auctioners lines play, the bidder lines do not.
Going to try with a new game later tonight just to see.
 

[Hex Bolt]

42 minutes ago, Talesien said:

Wrote if off, as something seems to be going on with my SS since the last update. During the auction, only the auctioners lines play, the bidder lines do not.

The last SS++ update changed the voice types of several NPCs in the slave market that lacked a voice type or that had the wrong gender voice.
The voice types now match those used in ExecutaBall's voice pack (if you use it).

 

44 minutes ago, Talesien said:

I had the same problem just yesterday but using SS. Was sold to Mjoll, but she was not teleported to the Auction Room, ran into her after leaving the auction and the scene ran normally, just in the middle of the Riften Market.

Okay, let me know how it goes if you try it again.  In my own testing, I couldn't make the process fail.  I even tried using a buyer I'd never met, so that NPC had not been 3D loaded yet.

[blahity]

Anyone use this along with the Experience mod? Just curious what settings people are using for SLTR quests because currently they give more than main quests lol.

[Anunya]

Regarding serving tables and Radiant Prostitution maybe you could just use the RP event as is (especially since RP is a prerequisite for SubLola already)?

 

Maybe you just a little bit of packaging around it to make it a bit more SubLola-ish, perhaps things like:

• Master (or others) make some derogatory comments as Lola carries out the work.
• Master instructs Lola to serve while naked (or as a Pony Girl, or wearing a DD outfit, or something else appropriate).
• Master ends by saying something like "that's not a lot of money", with a % chance that he goes on to "I know what will make more money, selling your body" (for that transition to prostitution).

Might not be juicy enough to justify the effort which is fair enough, but I think the mechanic is decent enough (and generally under utilized) that it could be good if framed the right way for SubLola.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

13 minutes ago, Anunya said:

(especially since RP is a prerequisite for SubLola already)

 

Its not, its a soft requirement.  I don't use it, I use TDF Aggressive Prostitution.  So I just use the basic prostitution setup in SubLola when given that task, and use TDF when I'm fundraising for other purposes.  Or thirsty.

[Talesien]

Ok, so with a new game the voices of the bidders work fine. Mjoll still does not get teleportet though (worth mentioning, this is of course before doing her quest to make her a follower). Tried again with a custom follower, Valentina, this time I got the pop-up "Unable to make a follower of" ... no name (Talking to her, the usual "Follow me ..." works fine though). Tried again with Rimona. This worked, but again she was not teleported. COC'ing to the Sleeping Giant started the scene. Worth noting I've both Coffee's Task and Tekkno Tims addons installed (but not the Kalmar one).

Going to try with a more minimal LO tomorrow.

[Hex Bolt]

33 minutes ago, Anunya said:

Regarding serving tables ... Might not be juicy enough to justify the effort which is fair enough, but I think the mechanic is decent enough (and generally under utilized) that it could be good if framed the right way for SubLola.

As it's implemented, it's pretty boring -- intentionally so, in my opinion, so (along with the paltry pay) the PC will be encouraged to offer "real" service.  I like that it offers a transition, but it's not fun.  To make it fun would take some work, for a low-paying transition event that some players would skip over by having prostitution start at any score, and the rest would only see it for a few days.

 

Rather than waitressing, having Lola rent herself out for spankings would get her started into "soft" prostitution.  I have that listed as an alternate idea.  However, that too would be a short-term transition event.  It could pair up with tavern dancing, though dancing would be suitable for any score level, and it might progress to naked dancing.

[Anunya]

Sounds good

[blahity]

That sounds like a good transition plan.
I also just had immersive lap sitting just flash back into my mind https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/69697 from void.

[Hex Bolt]

14 minutes ago, Talesien said:

Tried again with a custom follower, Valentina, this time I got the pop-up "Unable to make a follower of" ... no name (Talking to her, the usual "Follow me ..." works fine though).

That one probably has a custom recruitment script.  She'll work fine being recruited through her own dialog, but not by mods that do it generically.

 

23 minutes ago, Talesien said:

Worth noting I've both Coffee's Task and Tekkno Tims addons installed (but not the Kalmar one).

Thank you for mentioning that, but it shouldn't be a factor.  Those two don't override anything in the base mod.

 

16 minutes ago, Talesien said:

Tried again with Rimona. This worked, but again she was not teleported. COC'ing to the Sleeping Giant started the scene.

As I'd suspected, it seems to be because the NPC was in another cell.  The script is supposed to handle that, but I'd already added a line earlier today to simply force the NPC to the PC's cell for that scene whether it's needed or not.  (NPCs that start out disabled now automatically get enabled, but I'm sure that wasn't a problem in your testing.)

 

It is strange that this only affects a few players (unless a lot of people are having trouble and not saying anything).

 

I will message you the updated script, if you care to try it tomorrow.

[Talesien]

16 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

It is strange that this only affects a few players (unless a lot of people are having trouble and not saying anything).

I suspect there is some other mod interfering somehow, no idea how, but the LO I tested on is pretty large (and only about 80% conflict resolved). Hence my plan to test with a more minimalistic LO.

 

11 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

I will message you the updated script, if you care to try it tomorrow.

Feel free, shouldn't be a problem to test with it too.

As for the Valentina mod, it contains Meshes, Textures and the esp as one would expect. It has no scripts whatsoever, though. I checked that before using her as guinea pig.

 

[Talesien]

Had to test right away, with the new script the teleport works fine for both Rimona and Mjoll (didn't test Valentina again, maybe tomorrow).
With Rimona all worked perfectly. Mjoll did walk out on me though, had to talk to her to get the scene startet, perhaps because the Riften Start Scene with her did not run yet.
Another interesting detail, usually she wears armor, the Mjoll teleported to the auction was wearing clothes though, no idea on the significance of that. Might very well have to do with the SPID stuff I've installed ... though that should distribute a certain armor to her, not any cloth.

Still going to try with a more minimal install, but for now the main takeaway is, your new script fixes the NPC not getting teleported problem.


Edit: Ignore the cloth stuff for Mjoll, hadn't set SL Sexual Fame to my usual settings, so it appears to have replaced Mjolls outfit. I though SPID overwrites that though ... interesting.

Edited June 28, 2023 by Talesien