Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Talesien]

7 hours ago, belegost said:

Well, bummer. I was actually thinking of adding her as a mistress when she meets you again after escorting her back to the castle. Dawnguard questline is lengthy and it would make sense from an RP perspective to have her "adopt" the player as her pet, instead of running around with random Marcurio or some other Benor. I guess since she's not in vanilla follower faction, sLola wouldn't recognize her as valid mistress then.

 

Well, back to the drawing board...

Actually, IIRC Serana is added as to the follower faction as soon as you meet her again in Fort Dawnguard (Dawnguard side, not 100% sure what the equivalent for the Vampire side is). That said she has some special scenes during the remainder of the Dawnguard questline that could break things, but so has SDA. It can work, but with some unlucky timing you might get an event from the questline or SDA and one from Lola competing ... I imagine the results will likely vary from hilarious to game breaking (i.e. she gets stuck).
I had her as a Lola Mistress with SDA and it worked mostly fine, but it has been a while and SDA got a lot more all encompassing since then (i.e. more chances to clash and she got some special follower mechanics that might possibly prevent using her for Lola alltogether).

[Miauzi]

Vor 4 Minuten sagte belegost:

 

Es tut mir leid, aber ich habe keine Ahnung, wonach Sie fragen.

 

it was about this mod - the translation program got from it

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and I asked if you know if that might work with Serana from the start (with her liberation from the coffin in the tomb).

 

[Talesien]

12 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

it was about this mod - the translation program got from it

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and I asked if you know if that might work with Serana from the start (with her liberation from the coffin in the tomb).

 

DFC is a similar story, but it's a bit less involved/intrusive (on the follower side, depending on your setting it can impede your ability to play the game more), so might work better. Sadly Lupine vanished well over a years ago. Had some contact with him a few months after, he had plans to return, but seems these didn't work out. So DFC (and his other mods are effectively abandoned). Still DFC works pretty decently.
Didn't try it with SDA, but a few other custom follower with more complex behaviors without problems.

Edited January 18, 2023 by Talesien

[Hex Bolt]

16 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

I asked if you know if that might work with Serana from the start (with her liberation from the coffin in the tomb).

The Devious Followers mod page says this:  "Devious Followers Continued (DFC) works with most regular followers and follower frameworks. It does not work with special custom followers that have standalone AI."  It probably would not work well with Serana until later in her quest when she becomes a normal follower.

[Miauzi]

Thank you both

I can probably "bury" my idea with it
As a "vampire over-bitch", Serana was supposed to corrupt the Dragonborn right from the start...
...the function from "Devious Follower" to lock the player in DD devices should be an important element

The "corruption" should then reach its peak aka conclusion with the completion of the "Dawnguard" quest line.
(including a transformation of the player into a succubus and/or a bimbo/chick)

Letting it start there would just throw my entire game idea into thin air

[Hex Bolt]

16 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

As a "vampire over-bitch", Serana was supposed to corrupt the Dragonborn right from the start...

With a little imagination, I think you can do that.  For "corruption", this mod might be better than Devious Followers because the "owner" in this mod frequently does things to you and often talks about training you to be a good slave.  Using Submissive Lola, start by submitting to a custom follower, either a vampire or a someone who might want to earn the favor of a vampire.  When you begin Serana's quest line, she will see how well you're being trained by your owner.  You could imagine that she even offers suggestions to your owner.  When Serana eventually becomes a regular follower, now that you're well trained, she decides to take you as her pet (use the Switch Owner button on the MCM).  Pretend that the first follower receives a reward (maybe the gift of vampirism) and departs.  You're now Serana's slave, and you got to be a slave the entire time you were with her (just not as her slave).

[belegost]

2 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

it was about this mod - the translation program got from it

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and I asked if you know if that might work with Serana from the start (with her liberation from the coffin in the tomb).

 

 

I don't know. I never tested it with Serana and from what I played with it, I don't really like it. Too punishing, too intrusive into normal gameplay and it would actually regularly either crash, freeze or do other weird things on me every time a follower would put me into forced "free for all whore mode" in the middle of any city. I guess my PC can't handle so many SexLab script calls for all the NPC's in the area and it would inevitably lead to serious issues. Basically the later stages of slavery were unplayable for me due to technical reasons.

 

I much prefer sLola's approach to slavery. From what I can tell though, from RP-point of view DFC could work with just regular Serana (but that's stretching it a lot). With SDA - definitely not, at least in my opinion, because in SDA she becomes even more of a waifu, a friend, a lover, and she's just an overall sweet girl towards Dragonborn. DFC's sexual exploitation, forced slavery and degrading comments certainly doesn't play at all with her SDA personality. It would be like if she had a serious case of some sort of mental disorder. In my opinion sLola handles that much better and it could work RP-wise for player becoming Serana's pet, mostly because sLola's approach is more playful and light-hearted.

Edited January 18, 2023 by belegost

[belegost]

2 hours ago, Talesien said:

Dawnguard side, not 100% sure what the equivalent for the Vampire side is)

That's fine. I hate vampire mechanics in Skyrim. Ever since Dawnguard first came out on Oldrim, I don't think I have ever completed it on Volkihar side. I always play Dawnguard side. I got all the vampire perks for X360 achievement once, but that was long ago and I have never done it on LE or SE for Steam achievements ever since.

Edited January 18, 2023 by belegost

[belegost]

1 hour ago, Talesien said:

but it's a bit less involved/intrusive (on the follower side, depending on your setting it can impede your ability to play the game more)

 

I respectfully disagree. DFC can be horribly intrusive even on "light" settings. sLola even on very strict ones is much more forgiving. I have not had a single situation where it would ever prevent me from progressing. DFC - not so much. I don't even consider it anymore whenever I build a new load order.

Edited January 18, 2023 by belegost

[belegost]

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

use the Switch Owner button on the MCM

 

Better yet: have the owner sell you on SS++ auction and select Serana as the buyer.

Edited January 18, 2023 by belegost

[Miauzi]

Vor 1 Stunde sagte belegost:

 

Ich bevorzuge sLolas Herangehensweise an die Sklaverei. DFC aus RP-Sicht Soweit ich das beurteilen kann, könnte mit normalem Serana funktionieren (aber das dehnt es sehr aus). Mit SDA – definitiv nicht, zumindest meiner Meinung nach, denn in SDA wird sie noch mehr zu einer Waifu, einer Freundin, einer Geliebten, und sie ist einfach ein insgesamt süßes Mädchen gegenüber Dragonborn. Die sexuelle Ausbeutung, Zwangssklaverei und erniedrigende Kommentare von DFC spielen sicherlich überhaupt nicht mit ihrer SDA-Persönlichkeit. Es wäre, als hätte sie einen ernsthaften Fall einer psychischen Störung. Meiner Meinung nach handhabt sLola das viel besser und es könnte RP-mäßig funktionieren, wenn Spieler Seranas Haustier werden, hauptsächlich weil sLolas Herangehensweise spielerischer und unbeschwerter ist.

 

Overall, you can only use the new Serana mod and SDA together - assuming from the outset that Serana has a split personality

the mod creator has expressly pointed out this fact

on the one hand the romantic waifu that courts you in SDA - even goes out to dinner with you and gives you gifts

on the other hand, her actions in combat put any splatter film to shame - summoning armies of succubi and even fucking bandits to death

 

 

But DFC has too many functions for me that I don't need all of them...

.. the forced BDSM actions as such fit my idea quite well into my game idea

[Miauzi]

Vor 3 Stunden sagte HexBolt8:

Mit ein wenig Fantasie, denke ich, kann man das machen. Für „Korruption“ könnte diese Mod besser sein als Devious Followers, weil der „Eigentümer“ in dieser Mod häufig Dinge mit dir macht und oft davon spricht, dich zu einem guten Sklaven zu erziehen. Beginnen Sie mit Submissive Lola, indem Sie sich einem benutzerdefinierten Follower unterwerfen, entweder einem Vampir oder jemandem, der sich die Gunst eines Vampirs verdienen möchte. Wenn Sie mit Seranas Questreihe beginnen, wird sie sehen, wie gut Sie von Ihrem Besitzer trainiert werden. Sie können sich vorstellen, dass sie Ihrem Besitzer sogar Vorschläge macht. Wenn Serana schließlich eine regelmäßige Begleiterin wird, jetzt, da Sie gut trainiert sind, beschließt sie, Sie als ihr Haustier zu nehmen (verwenden Sie die Schaltfläche „Besitzer wechseln“ auf dem MCM). Stellen Sie sich vor, dass der erste Anhänger eine Belohnung erhält (vielleicht das Geschenk des Vampirismus) und abreist. Du bist jetzt Seranas Sklave, und du musst die ganze Zeit, in der du bei ihr warst, eine Sklavin sein (nur nicht als ihre Sklavin).

 

Thanks for the answer

only the idea of gradual corruption (read "black seduction") through enslavement dies out completely even before meeting Serana for the first time

I am not concerned with "slavery" - not forced but voluntary submission

The "bimbofication" is better suited for this - but the necessary "black" elements aka BDSM are missing
it has it through DFC - but the mod has way too much on the side

 

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Please don't get me wrong - I'm really happy that you're trying to help me and I'm very grateful for the suggestions

Edited January 19, 2023 by Miauzi

[belegost]

1 hour ago, Miauzi said:

The "bimbofication" is better suited for this - but the necessary "black" elements aka BDSM are missing
it has it through DFC - but the mod has way too much on the side

 

Bimbo + sLola could be what you're looking for. sLola has some BDSM elements but they're not as disruptive as DFC, DCL or even SD+ (which is fairly tame in comparison to the other two). SL survival is another thing I use, mostly for the Frostfall plugin and Skooma Whore handling, with everything else it has being a bonus which I may or may not use, depending on the theme of the current playthrough.

Edited January 19, 2023 by belegost

[Miauzi]

Vor 2 Stunden sagte belegost:

 

Bimbo + sLola könnte das sein, wonach Sie suchen. sLola hat einige BDSM-Elemente, aber sie sind nicht so störend wie DFC, DCL oder sogar SD+ (was im Vergleich zu den anderen beiden ziemlich zahm ist). SL Survival ist eine andere Sache, die ich verwende, hauptsächlich für das Frostfall-Plugin und die Handhabung von Skooma Whore, wobei alles andere ein Bonus ist, den ich je nach Thema des aktuellen Spieldurchgangs verwenden kann oder nicht.

 

my poor head is so "rattling" that I can't fall asleep
and
one idea "chases" the next

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"black" element - BDSM is a very broad field - everyone has their preferences
and
with me there are strong proportions of fetishes included

that I personally "crave" for corsets or ultra-high heels - I make no secret of that.
For example, the pony set from the DD mod has always fascinated me and now I have a suitable hook -> a "classic" game session between the dominant and submissive part

also the author of "Devious Training" has returned after a long break
 

 

to get all the equipment I will include "Laura's bondage shop" as a role-play element

I will also take up the suggestion but first slave of another companion...
..but less as "real" slavery - but rather as an element of a game relationship

even if that sounds completely weird to others -> "Recorder" is this companion for my "isekai" background story -
until then Serana "takes over"
(how it works "technically" - you can still think about that)

"Seduction" or "corruption" are things that work both ways - without the people involved having to be aware of it

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I know all of the mods you listed (and have also used them quite extensively in the game) - except for "sLola"

so I'll be reading through the thread pages here for the next few days before asking the mod authors a few questions

 

[Talesien]

12 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

my poor head is so "rattling" that I can't fall asleep
and
one idea "chases" the next

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"black" element - BDSM is a very broad field - everyone has their preferences
and
with me there are strong proportions of fetishes included

that I personally "crave" for corsets or ultra-high heels - I make no secret of that.
For example, the pony set from the DD mod has always fascinated me and now I have a suitable hook -> a "classic" game session between the dominant and submissive part

also the author of "Devious Training" has returned after a long break
 

 

to get all the equipment I will include "Laura's bondage shop" as a role-play element

I will also take up the suggestion but first slave of another companion...
..but less as "real" slavery - but rather as an element of a game relationship

even if that sounds completely weird to others -> "Recorder" is this companion for my "isekai" background story -
until then Serana "takes over"
(how it works "technically" - you can still think about that)

"Seduction" or "corruption" are things that work both ways - without the people involved having to be aware of it

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I know all of the mods you listed (and have also used them quite extensively in the game) - except for "sLola"

so I'll be reading through the thread pages here for the next few days before asking the mod authors a few questions

 

 

Well DFC is pretty configurable, one can tailor it (mostly) to how disruptive it will be (I habitually disable quite a number of deals to that end). The problem is more it comes with that debt system, one can like it or not and that how the follower treats you/talks to you is connected to your willpower. If your willpower is low the follower will be fairly derogative (as will other NPC's interacting with you via DFC) and you will talk kinda submissive. If your willpower is high the tone will be more light hearted and playful, but you will be reluctant. That might not fit your vision (certainly usually fails to fit mine), where I would like to keep things somewhat respectful, yet allow the PC to be submissive nonetheless. SLTR is better in that regard for sure as one can set the tone to be either playful or strict (though some lines don't fit well with the more playful setting, which is odd, given it's the original).

You might also wish to check "Joyful Followers" (including deviously joyful) from scrab (https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/13172-joyful-followers/). Personally didn't like some elements and in the long run the follower always struck me as more than slightly mad. Another option that might well align with your ideas, but is technically not so elegant is MrEsturks XDFF (https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/7308-make-any-follower-a-xdff-dom-for-deviously-cursed-loot/).

Btw. Recorder is another follower with a somewhat fragile 'AI'. No idea how she works with SLTR or DFC, never tried, she never struck me as the type. ^^

 

 

Edited January 19, 2023 by Talesien

[Hex Bolt]

53 minutes ago, Talesien said:

Recorder is another follower with a somewhat fragile 'AI'. No idea how she works with SLTR or DFC, never tried, she never struck me as the type.

It's been reported once or twice that Recorder works with this mod, though obviously her attitude swings between admiring and whoring you out.  That might be pretty amusing.

 

57 minutes ago, Talesien said:

some lines don't fit well with the more playful setting, which is odd, given it's the original

When you encounter this, if you don't mind making a list, I can look at making adjustments as needed.

[Miauzi]

why I want to bring Recorder into play

it's more the "isekai" background of my character - who, as a reborn, meets a real person from an "other world"...

..and of course immediately understands what a "recorder" is.
*ggg*

But her very contradictory personality is also a reason...

..a bit "clumsy" or "naive" in their general actions - but very kindhearted and a bit shy...

..."turns it up" in battle so much - that you might assume you're dealing with a completely different person

and this element also ensures - that the SM game with my character starts out of pure innocent curiosity...

..so from Recorder's point of view - while my char looks back on a long previous life with fetish and BDSM.

Only I wrote yes - seduction always goes in the other direction.

The recorder reacting in this way makes it doubly interesting.

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Edited January 19, 2023 by Miauzi

[Talesien]

Just now, HexBolt8 said:

When you encounter this, if you don't mind making a list, I can look at making adjustments as needed.

Will do, might take a little though. I'm currently testing the "Third time is a charm" saying, trying to finally finish a game centered around Shout like a Virgin and to that end it's a Toys only LO.

[Кhrysamere]

@HexBolt8 Would you ever consider making a reversal of this mod? Something that allows the player to be dominant with a follower? Specifically a female player and a male follower? There are mods already that allow you to enslave people, things like Paradise Halls come to mind. However those seem to be non-consensual enslavement.

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, Кhrysamere said:

Would you ever consider making a reversal of this mod? Something that allows the player to be dominant with a follower?

Probably not, though if such a mod existed, I'd use it for my playthroughs with dominant characters (although those tend to be loners with a lover in every city but no commitments).  However, there doesn't seem to be much interest in the community for developing dominant player mods, for good reason.

 

PC in the dominant position tends to be much less impactful.  Tie an NPC's hands and it doesn't really react.  If your hands are tied, you can't fight, and you might have trouble interacting with things.  It makes you feel helpless.  Watching a bound NPC stand there like nothing happened feels pointless.  If you're blindfolded, you have trouble seeing.  It affects your gameplay experience.  Blindfold an NPC and it just goes about its business.

 

As the PC, having to offer service often enough or be punished maintains a sense of tension and keeps you on your toes.  As gamers, we don't like to fail, even if the punishment might be kind of hot.  But imagine that your dominant character returns to town loaded with loot, ready to sell, buy, and craft, but your submissive follower keeps interrupting to offer service.  Pretty quick, my reaction would be "stop bothering me and shut the hell up".  I believe TDF Prostitution lets you whore out a follower.  That would stop the pestering for a while -- assuming that you want grubby villagers pawing your favorite fuck toy.  So, the follower goes away and later returns with gold.  Big deal.  But in the reverse situation where you get whored out, you play through the whole sordid business of debasing yourself.  That's meaningful.  You feel that.

 

So, yeah, I'd use a dominant player mod, but it's hard to make something of that nature that has real depth (more than just whipping or whoring out a follower), so I don't expect to see it happen.

[Кhrysamere]

2 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Probably not, though if such a mod existed, I'd use it for my playthroughs with dominant characters (although those tend to be loners with a lover in every city but no commitments).  However, there doesn't seem to be much interest in the community for developing dominant player mods, for good reason.

 

As the PC, having to offer service often enough or be punished maintains a sense of tension and keeps you on your toes.  As gamers, we don't like to fail, even if the punishment might be kind of hot.  But imagine that your dominant character returns to town loaded with loot, ready to sell, buy, and craft, but your submissive follower keeps interrupting to offer service.  Pretty quick, my reaction would be "stop bothering me and shut the hell up".  I believe TDF Prostitution lets you whore out a follower.  That would stop the pestering for a while -- assuming that you want grubby villagers pawing your favorite fuck toy.  So, the follower goes away and later returns with gold.  Big deal.  But in the reverse situation where you get whored out, you play through the whole sordid business of debasing yourself.  That's meaningful.  You feel that.

 

So, yeah, I'd use a dominant player mod, but it's hard to make something of that nature that has real depth (more than just whipping or whoring out a follower), so I don't expect to see it happen.

 

I personally feel that the player being in the dominant position is better suited to the overall progression in a game such as Skyrim. Over time, the player gets stronger, it doesn't take many leaps in logic to explain why a powerful person would act or become dominant, and thus its easier to roleplay with. Corruption and submissiveness, however, contradicts that aforementioned progression. It's the reason why playthroughs chalk-full of Loverslab mods tend to purely focus on sex-content and ignore major aspects of the game itself. You can, of course, ignore that content that would corrupt your character until after you complete a huge chunk of the game, but then how would one un-corrupt themselves if they wanted to go back to slaying dragons and clearing dungeons in a way that's logical? And how about those submissive-oritented mods that intertwine themselves with the normal gameplay, such as defeat? It's very, very difficult to justify how you're able to get back on your feet and finish clearing whatever dungeon you were crawling in after be gangraped over and over by a horde of Draugr, for example.

 

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PC in the dominant position tends to be much less impactful.  Tie an NPC's hands and it doesn't really react.  If your hands are tied, you can't fight, and you might have trouble interacting with things.  It makes you feel helpless.  Watching a bound NPC stand there like nothing happened feels pointless.  If you're blindfolded, you have trouble seeing.  It affects your gameplay experience.  Blindfold an NPC and it just goes about its business.

 

Honestly, whilst unintentional, I feel like you summed up the issues with the player being in the submissive role perfectly. "If your hands are tied, you can't fight, and you might have trouble interacting with things.  It makes you feel helpless." This is definitely prevalent in mods like Sanguine's Debauchery. Do you have any idea how boring the gameplay loop of "Stand around, have sex with owner, get whipped, repeat" is? If that's all my character can do, and they never grow or change beyond those things, it makes me want to quit the game lol. That's why I feel like the player being in the Dominant role is such an obvious choice, it allows you to still play the game logically. So why aren't there more mods that support it? I have no idea.

 

Submissive Lola, of course, isn't as restrictive as other submissive player mods in terms of roleplaying, mostly due in part that it's consensual and playful. But at the end of the day, it's still corruption-based. Logically the player's combat prowess, ability to complete quests and participate in large and impactful events, should diminish as they become more subservient to their master. I mean have you ever played a game called Karryn's Prison? That game perfectly demonstrates what corruption would do to a female PC, battles slowly become harder and harder to win, until eventually it's so insanely difficult to progress that your run becomes unwinnable, forcing you to restart and try again.

 

Dominant Player is the way to go, it always has been. Maybe some Loverslab mod authors will finally realize this one day.

Edited January 20, 2023 by Кhrysamere

[Hex Bolt]

16 minutes ago, Кhrysamere said:

I personally feel that the player being in the dominant position is better suited to the overall progression in a game such as Skyrim.

I wasn't talking about game progression, only the visceral impact of PC submissive vs. PC dominant mods.  We're really talking about two different things.

 

19 minutes ago, Кhrysamere said:

Do you have any idea how boring the gameplay loop of "Stand around, have sex with owner, get whipped, repeat" is?

Yes.  Been there, did that.  Even commented on it in that mod's discussion topic.

[Кhrysamere]

3 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I wasn't talking about game progression, only the visceral impact of PC submissive vs. PC dominant mods.  We're really talking about two different things.

 

 

I feel that it's something that's extremely important and shouldn't be brushed off. In regards to what you said about impact, I didn't really address it because it seemed like a bad excuse. If your argument is that the NPC being submissive doesn't have a big enough affect on the player, well, that's kind of the point. Non-invasiveness. Sure an NPC might whine or complain, but you, the player, aren't forced into anything. You control the narrative, the pacing, the when-and-how. It's a roleplayer's dream come true. In regards to NPC reactions, Obviously if a mod was made that made the player dominant with a Submissive NPC, the NPCs reactions to the player's actions (or lack-thereof) would be heavily fleshed out, just like how with Submissive Lola, the players reactions are heavily fleshed out.

 

I'm going to bring up Sanguine's Debauchery again, just because it's really the perfect example, but in that mod, NPC slavers are boring. Extremely so. They aren't fleshed out whatsoever. That's kind of the state Dominant Player content is in right now. But there's just so much potential. You said yourself that you would use such a mod, if it existed. Clearly you can understand the vast amount of potential it has.

 

I mean, here's just a few ideas, and there's so much more:

 

• Tease Submissive NPC (Showing Skin, Flirting, make them watch you Masturbate / have sex with another NPC, give them a piece of your clothing to masturbate to, etc)

 

• Deny Orgasms (Make the NPC more lustful and desperate)

 

• Command NPC to fetch things / assign tasks / perform actions (Things like having them wash your clothes, clean your home, sending them to buy food, have them prepare a bath for you, hold your items, giving them jobs to earn gold, etc)

 

• Forcegreets where NPC begs for affection (If follower is highly infatuated with Player. Player could perform mutual masturbation, teasing, sex, or deny them entirely)

 

• Forcegreets where the NPC asks questions to get to know the Player better

 

• Forcegreets where NPC begs for freedom (If player is overly cruel / unaffectionate with follower. Player would be able to either release them, punish/threaten them, shower them with affection, etc to get them to stay.)

 

• Forcegreets where NPC begs for "Punishment" (Requires high submissiveness, player can react however they wish)

 

• Influence NPC enough to commit to cheating on their spouses / divorcing them completely.

 

• Player could ask/demand to feed on NPC (If player is vampire/succubus, success rate would correspond to how Submissive the NPC currently is)

 

• Player could demand that the NPC gather thralls for the player (If player is vampire/succubus, and has an appropriate place to keep them, could result in a bounty or failure if NPC acts recklessly, gets unlucky, or purposely fails in order to used as the thrall instead, which would require NPC to be highly infatuated with player. If NPC fails unintentionally, Player could punish or forgive them)

 

• Frame NPC for crimes you committed, have them serve Jail time for you

 

• Command NPC to speak highly of you to other NPCs to increase your reputation (Could have some quest/mod integration)

 

• Command NPC to Murder, Steal, or Attack (Optionally with the promise of Affection, or punishment if they disobey)

 

• When within an Inn, command NPC to rent a room for you. Command them to clean it. Command NPC to sleep on the floor, or allow them to sleep with you as a reward.

 

• Compel NPC to kill themselves  (If NPC is very unhappy and player is very unaffectionate and has been denied freedom several times. Could be manipulated into doing so if submissiveness is very high as well)

 

• Reward NPC for doing well in a battle, or punish them for performing poorly. (Can offer to heal them via potions / magic if they grovel or do the players bidding)

 

• Command/Ask for Sex (Command would be forced upon NPC, Asking would be consensual if the NPC agrees. Agreement would rely upon how the NPC felt towards the player. Submissiveness, Infatuation, etc)

 

• Domination Loss (If Sub's submissiveness is extremely low, and highly outlevels the player, NPC could attempt to overcome Player via rape, blackmail, etc. Could tie into Submissive Lola, Simple Slavery, etc.)

 

• If NPC is a vampire, control when they can feed, and who they feed on. Starve them as punishment for doing badly, offer them a potion of your blood as a reward for doing well. Allow them to feed directly from you as a reward for doing extremely well. Punish them by going outside in the sun for being bad. Taunt them with Silver for being bad.

 

God I could go on for hours writing more and more stuff... There's just so many archetypes of Dominance that a player could be. They could be strict, but affectionate and warm as long as you do as they say -- like a "dommy mommy". They could be cold, distant, and apathetic, like a Kuudere. They could be Obsessive, overbearing, and a tad bit crazy like a Yandere. I mean come on, this shit is gold, it still astounds me that Loverslab is a barren wasteland when it comes to Dominant (female) Player mods.

 

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But imagine that your dominant character returns to town loaded with loot, ready to sell, buy, and craft, but your submissive follower keeps interrupting to offer service. 

 

What you don't seem to understand, is that this is how Submissive Lola currently is lol, just change a few of the words:

 

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But imagine that your dominant submissive character returns to town loaded with loot, ready to sell, buy, and craft, but your submissive dominant follower keeps interrupting to offer service give commands. 

 

Being commanded to do things whilst you may be busy doing something else. The difference is, if the player was the Dominant one in the relationship, they're the one calling the shots. If the Sub NPC was whining for affection whilst you're busy with something else, ignore them. Punish them. Oblige their needs, or perhaps do so half-heartedly. Do whatever the hell you want. Yeah the NPC might not be happy about it, they might whine a little bit more or their stats might go down, but in the end, that's in the spirit of it all. You control the pacing. In Submissive Lola though? You get punished if you disobey. Simple as that. I mean you said it yourself:

 

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As gamers, we don't like to fail, even if the punishment might be kind of hot

 

Which really makes Submissive Lola feel less fun. It's kind of like playing one of those Hentai Games where you get raped by enemies or monsters if you lose. Like, obviously you're playing the game to have a good time, but the game requires you to lose in order to have a good time, but you don't progress the game by doing so.

 

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Pretty quick, my reaction would be "stop bothering me and shut the hell up".

 

That's quite literally an aspect of being dominant lmao. Ignoring the sub, being apathetic to their wishes. I mean hell, there's an entire genre of porn/hentai where the girl completely ignores the dude while he fucks her. People get off on that lmao.

 

A mod that makes a player submissive to a dominant NPC is almost always going to be more invasive in nature than the opposite, having them be dominant. 

 

 

Apologies for the wall of text. TL;DR This shit is an untapped gold mine.

Edited January 20, 2023 by Кhrysamere

[Miauzi]

you are both right and wrong at the same time

Well - I - meanwhile 60 - have a few years of experience with REAL BDSM - both on the dominant and on the submissive side
and
was also in lively exchange with other people who practice it - up to closer (private) acquaintances with dominatrixes working in SM studios.

The superhero Dragonborn can't be a submissive guy in private?
But hello - if you've ever experienced - who goes to a dominatrix in the studio as a (submissive) customer...

...and here I come to a crucial point that is actually ignored by all mods here:

There is also a "private" and a "public" sphere in Skyrim.
But even mods that only play with a d/s ratio instead of "real" slavery - move the game to the public.

Which of course also breaks the reputation of the superhero among the population.
Most players don't care about such immersive things at all - they don't want a "copy" of a reality either - they want to implement their own mental cinema in the entire game world.

I once talked to members of various game clans (such as WoWS or TESO or StarTrek-online) why, as men, they play a female character in such RPGs...

..because he's actually a girlfriend substitute - with whom you can do exactly those things - that you can't do with a real one
and
therefore has no consequences in real life!!

And that's exactly why considerations about game processes based on real BDSM are more interesting for a small minority...
...and the dominant part (for the player) also so strongly "understaffed" aka hardly in demand
(as a real dominant woman the whole thing is even sadder)

The "blue frog" (SL hormones, etc.) once released a mod with a "pain bitch Alicia" at the very beginning of his career.
A very interesting concept - in which you first take on the "master" part - but then experience some surprises with your "pet".

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Now - to address another aspect...
...a "new hat was thrown into the ring" -> a new Serana mod - which makes it superfluous for the Dragonborn to play the superhero.
He (or she) can now fully focus on the d/s relationship with his overpowered companion.

 

[Miauzi]

As long as you completely ignore the relationship level "real person" versus "game character" - that long you will not understand what some users (I include myself) are talking about "slavery" or "d/s" mods.

They are so fixed in their argumentation that it is difficult to enter into a kind of "dialogue" with them at all - because they say everything else and doesn't suit them -> sweep them off the table

You are welcome to continue to operate on this level - at least I don't feel like it...
...because this is NOT a competition (ala "who has the longer cock/penis")!!