Toxic Masculinity and Men's Shame

[KoolHndLuke]

If people aren't defined by their gender, then WTF is this supposed to mean?

[Corsayr]

Toxic masculinity defines a set of behaviors, not a gender specifically.

 

There is non-toxic masculinity also. Which is more commonly referred to as just Masculinity. ?

[MonVert]

Uhh.... Exsqueeze me?

 

Is "Toxic Masculinity" some new SexLab tag? ?

 

I suppose if you dip Masculinity in a vat of radioactive material it becomes "Toxic Masculinity" and you get Ultra-buff Spiderman?

 

(I don't get the question, honestly; masculinity is masculinity.)

[nIn nIn nIn]

Toxic masculinity?

 

Read - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity#:~:text=Toxic masculinity is thus defined,other emotions such as anger.

 

Men can be masculine without being toxic. Real men cry when someone they love dies or gets hurt. Real men can wear a pink shirt and it doesn't mean anything (ie - not gay) and many etceteras can be added to that very short list of just 2 examples.

If you can't be a "real man" without putting other men down who are "less" (in your eyes alone) then you are a toxic.

[phillout]

6 minutes ago, nIn nIn nIn said:

putting other men down who are "less" (in your eyes alone)

 

Read: competitive behavior. 

 

Which is an essence of a man, in my opinion. 

[Kendo 2]

1 hour ago, KoolHndLuke said:

If people aren't defined by their gender, then WTF is this supposed to mean?

It's NPC clown-speak.

 

Edit: The type of people who use the term unironically are seeking to dehumanize men; they condemn men for supposedly dehumanizing others.  They behave like those they claim to be superior to.  i.e. what wokeness is all about.

[Guest]

Toxic masculinity, it's when your metalhead friend likes japanese city pop, but says he just mislicked on the like button

[IA.Echo.Hotel]

Toxic Masculinity = "The act of either offending via trite and outdated masculine tropes, or of demeaning others for their lack of adherence to them."

Men's Shame = "The description of the offended feeling from being corrected for toxically masculine behavior given by assholes."

Masculine = "Conforming in some way to the traditionally male tropes of a given culture"

 

We should not judge OTHERS by what we perceive to be their gender, THEY however are free to define themselves by their gender.

[Guest]

This site IS toxic masculinity. Once they take out other areas of entertainment they will come for you. Porn is seen as a male dominated thing. Sure, there are females, but mostly it is enjoyed by males. They see porn actresses as being oppressed by male toxicity. So yes, this site is a problem for them. 

[Kendo 2]

18 minutes ago, Alkpaz said:

Once they take out other areas of entertainment they will come for you.

Game companies are already doing the dirty work for them, but eventually the woke Gestapo will come for independent gaming forums.  Dark0ne will go down like a Filipino tranny during Fleet Week.  Ashal most likely won't buckle since the one thing activists can target (the advertisers) won't be in play here.

 

10 minutes ago, Alkpaz said:

They see porn actresses as being oppressed by male toxicity.

Feminists: 'Sex work is legitimate work.'

Sane People: 'Then you need to pay taxes like everyone else.'

Feminists: 'UR racist against wamenz.'

[elys19]

Subversive terms aimed at making a target group (men in this case) question and reject naturally inherent (and often desirable) traits of their being.

It´s like if I somehow convinced you that consuming oxygen is bad and immoral, and as a result you tried to breathe as little as possible, while chasing the impossibility of stopping altogether.

To even consider it is ridiculous.

 

It´s not a thing in reality, until you make it one by acknowledging its existence.

 

Also, I thought this idiocy died in 2018 or so.

[KoolHndLuke]

What inherent traits does a male possess that females don't? We share virtually every trait save for our genitalia and a few other physical/biological features. So why would one be any less or more than the other? These are all just products of our learned perceptions. What it basically comes down to are doms and subs. The group (or gender) that has traditionally been viewed as subs first wanted parity, then decided they want to be doms instead. What was wrong with parity? Or did they actually ever achieve that?

 

Maybe parity just doesn't work. For instance, a pecking order or hierarchy is firmly established in every group of living organisms. Why do you think that is?

[legendarytoyou]

Funny I thought, "toxic masculinity," was basically a derogatory insult of men who stick up for themselves instead of being a damn simp.  God forbid a man won't take shit from anyone, nope in the mindset of 3rd wave feminism, "YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO STAND UP FOR YOURSELF!!  You're supposed to take it up the ass like a good like simp and enjoy getting treaded on."

 

Yeah I'll be dead before I let ANYBODY walk all over me ?

[Mr. Otaku]

In the true sense: Toxic masculinity is the set of negative characteristics that many men harbor due to either misinformation, lack of understanding and/or bad upbringings.

 

In the retarded sociopolitical sense: Toxic masculinity is any display of masculinity across the board and/or male pleasure and autonomy.

 

Pretty simple eh?

[Kendo 2]

7 minutes ago, legendarytoyou said:

Funny I thought, "toxic masculinity," was basically a derogatory insult of men who stick up for themselves instead of being a damn simp.  God forbid a man won't take shit from anyone, nope in the mindset of 3rd wave feminism, "YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO STAND UP FOR YOURSELF!!  You're supposed to take it up the ass like a good like simp and enjoy getting treaded on."

 

Yeah I'll be dead before I let ANYBODY walk all over me ?

Shuddup you pay-pig!  Systemic patriarchy allows you to say that! 

[legendarytoyou]

On 11/22/2020 at 11:08 PM, Kendo 2 said:

Shuddup you pay-pig!  Systemic patriarchy allows you to say that! 

???

Edited September 4, 2021 by legendarytoyou

[KoolHndLuke]

I'm just surprised nobody has quoted Conan yet. It's a simple philosophy, and it has always worked. People just get real sore about losing anymore.

 

So much for this thread.

[Kendo 2]

35 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

I'm just surprised nobody has quoted Conan yet.

"Clush your enemies.  See dem driven before you.  And heeuh deh lamentations of der vimen."

 

That quote?

[KoolHndLuke]

15 minutes ago, Kendo 2 said:

That quote?

Nah. This one- 

[MonVert]

2 hours ago, Kendo 2 said:

woke Gestapo

 

Isn't that some kind of oxymoron?  ?

 

2 hours ago, Kendo 2 said:

go down like a Filipino tranny during Fleet Week

 

Spoken from experience? ?

[phillout]

5 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

What inherent traits does a male possess that females don't? We share virtually every trait save for our genitalia and a few other physical/biological features.

 

1 healthy man is enough to impregnate 10-20 women in his life with ease. There is absolutely no shortage of sperm. The sperm by default worth nothing. Zero. Nada. 

 

How much does ovum worth? Especially if a women actually had a pregnancy and given birth to a child? Check for prices on surrogate mother services. How much an average man gets paid for putting his dick into a woman's body in attempt to become a father? I guess you know the answer. 

 

There can't be any parity in a situation like that. Absolutely any society will be gynocentric - our species can't help it. Everything else is just an attempt to somehow bring the amount of misery in a life of an average human male to a manageable level in order to stabilize the society - so here comes monogamy, rules setting up men as the masters of the family etc. Without it the vast majority of men would never have an offspring, as it was in the distant past, and a large part of them would never even score. This would create a dangerous social tension, and alpha-males didn't want that. So they threw those low-status males a bone.

 

The term "toxic masculinity" is yet another modern option of controlling those low-status males, "wear you Wimp&Cuck badge with a pride, you are really masculine, without traces of toxicity". 

[landess]

Getting an education here - I thought it was just gender baiting, using the 'toxicity' reference to peoples different levels of socially accepted actions or thought processes.

 

Men's 'shame' - that would be Viagra......

 

Spoiler

 

[Myst42]

Retarded postodernist bullshit.

Men should be allowed to be masculine and women should be allowed to be feminine. It's the natural order of things. If someone wants to be something else, good for them, It's their lives and no one should care because freedom etc...

 

Political narrative tried to turn masculine men and feminine women into something "bad". If a man is manly, he's "toxic" and if a woman is feminine she's "a disney princess"

All bullshit. Men's escence is to be the purest alpha with an instinct to protect and care for his own and women's purest escence is to a force of nature with the potential to create and inspire. It's fucking Yin and Yang, and yet the narrative seeks to corrupt that and reverse the roles by telling everyone that it's wrong to embrace that.

It's all part of a cultural need to tell people to be guilty of something and to feel guilty because apparently being male is a bad thing and men should be ashamed of themselves.

 

There's no such thing as "toxic masculinity"

There are some men who are assholes, but that's not "toxic masculinity" that's just people being assholes. Happens in every gender and race.

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

Individual is less than,greater than,or equal to another individual. And that is unique to what is being judged. Sex, race is irrelevant.

[wokking56]

11 hours ago, Kendo 2 said:

The type of people who use the term unironically are seeking to dehumanize men; they condemn men for supposedly dehumanizing others.

 

1 hour ago, Myst42 said:

There's no such thing as "toxic masculinity"

There are some men who are assholes, but that's not "toxic masculinity" that's just people being assholes. Happens in every gender and race.

 

I completely agree with these statements.

Using the term "Toxic Masculinity" is just socially excepted man bashing. Call out a women for doing some stupid crap and you are "sexist". Point out the fact that a gay person made a simple mistake and you are "homophobic". Heaven forbid you mention a person of color did something wrong and now you are "racist". Show that a man was being an idiot, oh that's okay it's just his toxic masculinity.

People seem to forget that men and women are physiologically and psychologically completely different beings. So expecting one to act/react the same as the other is ridiculous.