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[SSLX] Succubus Skill Loss (LE+SE)

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This is a rewrite of the SexLab Skill Loss mod to make more of a game out of SLSO. The mod is very lightweight. I have now added SXP integration so it works with that too.

 

It matches a succubus style character (hence the name) but is very flexible if you want to use it for a different sort of game / PC. Importantly, you don't have to use the skill loss/gain features to be able to use the SexLab Sex Skill Loss feature. Also you can completely disable just the gain features or switch them to loss features. I have made this to be as flexible as possible for anyone that wants skill gain or skill loss events added to their game.

 

[SE USERS] Perk debt feature does not work on SE. If you lose a level and regain it, you will have an extra perk point above what you would normally have at that level.


[MODDERS] You can now use this mods skill loss and gain functionality by sending a simple mod event. There is examples of this below under "By SendModEvent [MODDERS]".

 

So how this version works is...

 

On Sex End 

- You will GAIN skills on sex end

ONLY IF CONSENSUAL AND YOUR PARTNER HAS CUM

 

Gain Per Partner Orgasm

- You will GAIN skills on partners orgasm
ONLY IF CONSENSUAL AND HIGH ENOUGH ENJOYMENT WHEN THEY CUM

NOTE: Works with group and creature scenes.

 

Loss Per Orgasm

- You will lose skills when your character orgasms

ONLY IF YOU ARE VICTIM.

 

SexLab Sex Skill Loss
- With this enabled, you will lose SexLab sex skills from rape. This only applies to oral, anal and vaginal types. 

ONLY IF YOU ARE VICTIM.

Spoiler

Normally, depending on play style, your character ends up being GRANDMASTER of all types of sex types in SexLab. However with this you can better control that, and even bring down your skill levels back to as low as they were when you started.

 

As your sex skills diminish, it will be harder for you to make your partner to cum leading to more skill loss for you during rape (as the animation lasts longer with SLSO) and it will take longer for you to get level from cum during consensual. Another good usage is with Radiant Prostitution, set your gold earning in its MCM to be mostly based off your sex skills and as your skills are lowered, so does your income from each client. Of course you will be regaining skills, as long as your taking your time and not getting raped too often while on the job. I recommend Submissive Lola (SLTR) has a great pimping option that works with Radiant Prostitution and they mostly give consensual animations (only consensual from SLTR I think).


You can think of this as your character being unable to perform as well due to rough treatment and regaining confidence over time from continued consensual sex.

 

You can set SexLab Sex Skill Loss on and off, and how many skill levels you lose in the sex skill. The skill loss is applied at the end of animation. The animation type is decided from which sex skill you WOULD HAVE gained the most experience in. For example if you are in a vaginal animation, then switch to anal, the one you spent the most time in will have the reduction applied. The remaining 2 sex stats will get updated to the value when the SexLab scene started.

NOTE: With this mod you will no longer gain sex skills from rape. This is not configurable except by disabling "Sexlab and orgasm detection" which will disable most of the mods functionality now.

 

SLSO Player Succubus Addon

- You will GAIN skills on drain

- You will GAIN skills on drain kill

NOTE: Patch is required for PSA that is in downloads (SLSO_PSA_SSLX Patch)

 

SexLab Defeat

- You will lose skills when defeat triggers post rape scenario.

 

Prison Overhaul Patched

- You will lose skills every X hours in prison (only works with POP but not required)

 

Whipping (Punishing Lashes)

- You will lose skills per whip received. This should act on all whipping from all mods.

- Scaling whipping skill loss to Punishing Lashes whipping injury level.

 

SexLab Survival - Cum Addition

- You can set to lose X skills every X seconds while cum addicted and ravenous. 

 

iNeed

- You can set to lose X skills every X hours while starving, dehydrated and/or fatigued.

 

You can enable/disable any of the above and alter the amount of skills lost per event, as with previous versions.

 

By SendModEvent [MODDERS]
- The mod now listens for a SendModEvent that can be used to trigger skill loss or gain, it also takes a string for notification. It's super easy to use, see spoiler text below if you want to use this.

Spoiler

You don't need to add the mod as a dependency or anything, just send a mod event as defined below:

 

SendModEvent("SSLX_SkillChange", string "", float SkillsToLose = 0.0)

 

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Example:

SendModEvent("SSLX_SkillChange", "Ouch!", 1.5)

 

The example above will cause player to lose 1.5 levels in a random weighted skill and the notification will say "Ouch! Lost skill (SKILL_NAME)".

 

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Example 2:

SendModEvent("SSLX_SkillChange", "You drained life force from your victim.", -1.5)

 

Example 2 will gain the player 1.5 skill levels randomly and the notification will say "You drained life force from your victim. Gained skill (SKILL_NAME)".

 

 

 

Other features:

  • With SXP, you can set to lose SXP experience instead of levels. There is a debt that is stored when you go below 0. Experience gains through SXP itself or this mod will be reduced by the debt.
  • No longer gain SexLab sex levels/stats (Vaginal, Anal, Oral) from being raped (non-configurable).
  • You lose experience when you lose skills, and gain experience from skill gain. This is at the correct rate in vanilla but other mods editing experience/stat gain may mess this up.
  • You lose H/M/S when you lose a level. This is chosen randomly, but weighted so your more likely to lose higher stat. If you lose stamina, you lose appropriate carry weight. This feature uses INI settings so if you use something like SkyTweak keep that in mind.
  • You can lose levels and there is a perk debt feature when you regain a level, it will take the perk so you don't have 1 extra. 
  • Skill MCM menu where you can choose what skills you want to disable gain/loss.
  • Skill increments below 1, the loss/gain is applied when you accrue 1 or -1 in a new float.
  • Key set in MCM to report SexLab stats.
  • Key set in MCM you can use to switch between victim/consensual in the current animation. This is for mods that don't tag animations properly, I was considering not adding this feature because it can easily be abused. If you don't have mods that incorrectly tag you as victim in animations etc, I would leave the key unset.
  • Sound effect from skill gain and loss.
  • Option "Always lose from sex" to switch consensual scene gains to losses.

 

Changes/fixes from SexLab Skill Loss not mentioned above:

Spoiler
  • Removed choice for not losing a level.
  • Removed victim only option.
  • Removed option to gain instead of lose.
  • Removed notification when you cannot lose skills, but added to console.
  • Better notifications
  • Better console
  • Optimized scripts and removed the skill loss shout.
  • I fixed an issue from SexLab Skill Loss where you would not gain level experience when gaining a skill.
  • No longer gain skills from solo sex scene.
  • No longer use weight for skill gain, which is now completely random. Weight still used for skill loss, so you are more likely to lose higher skills.
  • Fixed bug where you couldn't gain skills if you were in a position where you could not lose skills.
  • Disabling the mod couldn't be cleaner now and it overall is very lightweight (really negligible) in my tests.
  • Updated to SSLX from DSL. esp cleaned etc.

 

 

PSQxSLSOxSLA PATCH:

  • I have added a patch for PSQ to the file downloads. This is the same as the PSQxSLSO patch except I have brought over the SLA arousal tied to succubus energy feature from PSQ Tweaks. This patch needs to overwrite PSQ and is not compatible with PSQ Tweaks. To use the arousal bound to energy feature, you need to lock your characters arousal gain in SLA/SLAX.

 

PSQxSLSOxSLA - Light PATCH (RECOMMENDED)

  • This is what I use, same as above (PSQxSLSOxSLA) but you will no longer drain health and stamina from your sex partners (and no longer kill them even if you turn the setting on in MCM) .If you are using PSQ  just install one of the 3 patches depending on your preference. The PSQxSLSO patch is available on SLSOs page.

 

PSQ Tweaks

  • The other option is to use PSQ Tweaks and disable the drain functionality. It won't work with SLSO or any of the patches so you will need SexLab Survival to regain energy. Use alternative energy mode if you do use this as you will not be able to gain Succubus levels in PSQ.

 

Requirements:

  • SexLab Framework

 

Optional mods:

 

Recommended mods:

Spoiler
  • Player Succubus Quest (PSQ).
    Either use one of my patches in downloads or the one on the SLSO page, depending what you want. If you use my patch I recommend you set the Drain Value Multiplier in Drain Settings to 0.05 and use the cum swallow to PSQ energy feature in SexLab Survival. That way you will get XP from sex but not much energy unless you swallow cum. Also, I recommend you lower a lot of the buffs this mod offers as it can make you too overpowered with the default settings. I would just have it decrease your stats instead of increase them. If you are using my patch, I also recommend you turn on the auto transform feature around half energy (so you will transform into succubus when lower than 50%, transform to normal when you are above 50% energy).
     IMPORTANT: Turn off "Enable Cum Inflation" on the other settings page. It's very broken. If you want pregnancy, use something else. To be safe, i'd stay away from any inflation mechanics from this mod.

    Succubus heart is a great succubus mod too, but overlaps with this mods functionality and is considerably unbalanced IMO. Depends what you want, if you are not concerned with your game being too easy, I can certainly recommend this mod too - it's a lot of fun. I personally try to make a more hardcore experience and balanced game. It has some bugs as with PSQ but nothing major.
     
  • SexLab Survival (SLS)
    Turn on the cum swallow to PSQ options and configure as you like. I recommend you turn off creature corruption, as it will not work well with the skill loss from orgasm feature of this mod. Keep in mind the Sex Experience feature of SexLab Survival also, you may want to turn that off if you are finding it too easy. See mods that SLS integrates with, there are a ton of great mods that work well. Fill Her Up fits this theme really well if your into that sort of thing.

    NOTE: If you are using this with SLTR Herowynne created a patch. There is a conflict that stops force greet working in SLTR that this fixes. Here is an LE version of Herowynne's patch:
    SLSxSLTR patch LE.7z
     
  • Radiant Prostitution (RP)
    Set reward settings as high gold for Expertise and Speechcraft so your rewards scale to your SexLab skills and Speechcraft levels that are affected by this mod. Uses consensual animations in the most part but has some rape scenes, so it integrates with this mod very nicely.
     
  • Submissive Lola: The Resubmission (SLTR)
    Works well with this mod because all of the SexLab scenes created by the mod are consensual. SLTR is a fantastic mod if you haven't tried it. The nice thing with this mod is you can continue adventuring while being a slave. Also integrates with RP, your owner will whore you out and you can set this to be based on gold control settings the mod offers.
     
  • Deviously Enslaved Continued (DEC)
    Great mod for triggering rape events. You want to keep your character free from slavery, obviously your going to get raped more if you appear to be a slave, but with this many things can lead to you becoming enslaved.
     
  • Simple Slavery ++
    Perfect trigger for SLTR for an enslaved succubus experience. Maybe you can one day be free again?
     
  • SexLab Disparity
    Has auto masturbation option and fall options that can trigger rape. Extremely configurable to your liking. You can use this mod to balance and give different states to your character.
     
  • Aroused Creatures
    If you use this, make it so the animals will only rape you if above 50% arousal. That way when you turn into succubus, animals will try to rape you. Giving you very good reason to keep yourself topped up on cum!
     
  • Other recommendations:
    Spank That Ass, Active Overlays, Apropos2, SexLab Pheromones, SexLab Sexual Fame, Rape Tattoos, SLAX, Player Exhibitionist, Troubles of Heroine, Spectator Crowds, Skooma Whore, Ineed, Fill Her Up, Hentai Pregnancy, Fade Tattoos, Devious Training III, Dragonborn In Distress, Devious Carriages. 

 

 

Special thanks and credit to Huan (Huanrenfeng) for weight calculations and improvements made for [SexLab Skill Loss]. (See Huan's Patreon page here: https://www.patreon.com/modderHuan). If you like this mod, please consider donating to Huan - it would really help him out.

Special thanks and credit to Hilaribad for his LevelUpEventPlugin used for applying perk point reduction (and perk debt functionality) on level up + POP integration + Defeat integration from [Defeat Skill Loss].

 

License:  

GPL 3.0

 

Credits:

- RMCW for this version (Succubus Skill Loss)

- Hilaribad for the original Defeat Skill Loss mod Link to mod

- Huanrenfeng for his version (SexLab Skill Loss) Link to mod

 

DISCORD

If you like my mods and tweaks and would like to ask any questions or have suggestions, feel free to chat with me on Discord linked below.

https://discord.gg/Y9EBBfTqFD


  • Submitter
  • Submitted
    09/12/2020
  • Category
  • Requires
    sexlab framework
  • Special Edition Compatible
    Yes

 

Posted

Very cool, I love the original Defeat Skill Loss, and more development along those lines is excellent. 

Question about this, though:

"On Sex End 

- You will GAIN skill on sex end but ONLY IF CONSENSUAL"

If the concept is "succubus gameplay", wouldn't skillgain for PLAYER CHARACTER on (every) NPC orgasm be more appropriate? As in, the player character draining experience from their partner through their climaxes. Also, if it's per-orgasm, player character skill in appropriate Sexlab acts would have purpose, as urging additional orgasms from a sexual encounter from your partner would be beneficial.

Posted
36 minutes ago, slicksly said:

If the concept is "succubus gameplay", wouldn't skillgain for PLAYER on (every) NPC orgasm be more appropriate? As in, the player character draining experience from their partner through their climaxes. 

Sure this sounds fun. I'll take a look at how to implement partner orgasm detection, I like this idea because again it nicely integrates with SLSO.

 

I can recommend that the mod works well with SexLab Disparity, Player Succubus Quest (with PSQ tweaks) and SexLab Survival.

 

With SL Disparity you can set masturbation and masturbation rape settings when you have denial (and arousal), forcing you to have sex often. This works well with Submissive Lola too with the masturbation denial feature. You can also have your stamina and magicka affected by many things to help balance SLSO, and offers the fall feature as another way for rape to initiate.

 

With PSQ + Tweaks you can turn off the normal drain settings and use cum swallow from SL Survival. Then if you lock arousal gain in SL Aroused MCM, your arousal is based on how much cum you have drank. Having regular sex or anal does nothing for your arousal but your orgasm will reset your SL Disparity denial. Also the draining cum recovery period from SL survival works great. The lower your cum level, the more likely you will be raped and the more you will orgasm.

 

You can also use Aroused Creatures where they can only target you if your arousal is above 50%, meaning if you have less than half a belly full of cum you will need to top up or likely be raped by some beasts.

Posted

Upcoming 3.0.3 updates:
- No longer gain skills from solo sex scene.
- New MCM option to gain skills from partners orgasm (works with group and creature).
- Fixed bug where you couldn't gain skills if you were in a position where you could not lose skills.
- No longer use weight for skill gain, which is now completely random. Weight still used for skill loss, so you are more likely to lose higher skills.
- Further optimised, but could be refactored better. It's an improvement on previous versions and I'll refactor at a later date.
- Other small fixes and things

 

Been having an issue getting partners orgasm callback event to fire today that's taken up hours. Please see my post if you think you may be able to help:
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/152973-sexlab-papyrus-help/

Posted

Upcoming major update 3.0.5 I am currently testing:

 

- Lose SexLab stat on sex end where you are vicim in the animation. (Settings in MCM).

- New on consensual sex end gain skill condition. You will only gain skills if your partner had an orgasm from this setting now.
- No longer gain SexLab sex levels/stats (Vaginal, Anal, Oral) from being raped (non-configurable).
- Yet more script + MCM improvements. Largely cleaned up the scripts now. Still using Huan's weight calculation script for stat/HMS loss but otherwise rewritten the most of it.

- Disabling the mod couldn't be cleaner now and it overall is very lightweight (really negligible) in my tests.

 

SexLab Sex Skill Loss
With this enabled, you will lose SexLab sex skills from rape. This only applies to oral, anal and vaginal types. As your sex skills diminish, it will be harder for you to make your partner to cum leading to more skill loss for you during rape (as the animation lasts longer with SLSO) and it will take longer for you to get level from cum during consensual. Another good usage is with Radiant Prostitution, set your gold earning in its MCM to be mostly based off your sex skills and as your skills are lowered, so does your income from each client. Of course you will be regaining skills, as long as your taking your time and not getting raped too often while on the job. I recommend Submissive Lola (SLTR) has a great pimping option that works with Radiant Prostitution and they mostly give consensual animations (only consensual from SLTR I think).


You can think of this as your character being unable to perform as well due to rough treatment and regaining confidence over time from continued consensual sex.

 

You can set SexLab Sex Skill Loss on and off, and how many skill levels you lose in the sex skill. The skill loss is applied at the end of animation. The animation type is decided from which sex skill you WOULD HAVE gained the most experience in. For example if you are in a vaginal animation, then switch to anal, the one you spent the most time in will have the reduction applied. The remaining 2 sex stats will get updated to the value when the SexLab scene started.

NOTE: With this mod you will no longer gain sex skills from rape. This is not configurable except by disabling "Sexlab and orgasm detection" which will disable most of the mods functionality now.

 

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After this update I have a couple more things I want to add but feel it pretty much fits its purpose now.

 

Here are the future things I am going to add:

  1. Allow increments instead of full levels.
     
  2. I may add a skill toggle.. let me know if you need this adding.

If anyone has anything they would like integrated in the mod, let me know! I can't guarantee I'll add it but if I think it's a good idea for the mod I may.

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Tsaphah said:

I'm going to try this out. Any other mods you recommend trying while i'm at it, for a Succubus theme?

See my post above for some brief suggestions (#4), I'll update the description with more later, PSQ (Player Succubus Quest) is probably the best succubus mod around but it has some issues that I will explain in the description update.

I am just testing V3.0.6 with:

  1. Allow increments instead of full levels.
     
  2. Skills toggle.

I'll put a beta version of it up here shortly.

Posted

Upcoming major update 3.0.6

 

- I thought that losing a whole skill for a single orgasm was a bit much so I added increments to skill loss/gain. You can now set to as little as 0.1 skill levels per event. A new float variable is used to track this. When you reach -1 or below, a loss will be applied. When you reach +1 or above, a skill gain is applied. 
- Exclude skills from skill gain and loss. Don't want your enchantment skill to be affected? Maybe you only want your magic skills affected? You can set this now in MCM.
- I have cleaned and changed the mod's esp file.
- Some other improvements I cannot remember.

 

IMPOTANT!
UPDATING INSTRUCTIONS (DSL -> SSLX)/(3.0.x -> 3.0.6):
I have cleaned and changed the mod's esp file. To update (from any earlier version or SexLab Skill Loss) add the mod as you normally would, and place SuccubusSkillLoss.esp in your load order in the same place in your load order that DefeatSkillLoss.esp is. You can then remove DefeatSkillLoss.esp and script files from the previous versions (prefixed DSL). The new prefix is SSLX.

The MCM has changed to Succubus Skill Loss also. There will be a couple of detached objects/scripts in your save file after the upgrade so you will need to clean your save file to get rid of those. Alternatively, if you ensure you disable the mod in MCM before upgrading, they will only add extremely slight save game bloat so you don't need to worry about save game cleaning to much.

 

This version is now a significant upgrade on previous editions, unless you need to use specific function from SexLab Skill Loss that this mod does not offer, this version is probably best to go with. I have made a lot of improvements and you can use the mod only for SexLab sex skill loss if that is what you want. It is very lightweight and can be completely deactivated now.

 

Special thanks and credit to Huan (Huanrenfeng) for weight calculations and improvements made for [SexLab Skill Loss].
Special thanks and credit to Hilaribad for his LevelUpEventPlugin used for applying perk point reduction (and perk debt functionality) on level up + POP integration + Defeat integration from [Defeat Skill Loss].

 

I am now going to focus on Punishing Lashes now as I feel this covers all the core functionality + fixes from the earlier designs. Punishing Lashes will integrate with this mod for skill loss on ZAP whip scene end in a future version.

Posted

I know the original mod dosent work in SSE, so I assume neither would this be compatible? 

 

like the concept but sadly I only own SSE and lacks the knowledge of fiddling with SKSE plugin...

anyways thanks for those recommendation, been thinking about starting a Succubus playthrough for a while now, a real bummer that Skill loss isnt compatible with SSE

Posted
12 hours ago, normal24yearoldstudent said:

I know the original mod dosent work in SSE, so I assume neither would this be compatible? 

Not sure on the conversion required for SSE sorry, I don't have SSE installed to test. If it is the DLL file that causes an issue, it can be removed from the mod easily enough. It is required for the perk point debt feature though.

 

9 hours ago, tamai said:

Is there a way you can make it so when you drain them with https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/5217-slso-player-succubus-addon/

 

That you get skill when you drain them to death?

 

I'm playing around editing PSQ at the moment and may release a different version of that patch with some features from PSQ tweaks integrated.

 

Makes sense to gain a skill levels on drain kill, but I am not sure how possible it is without further investigation. For now I am going to look into how SL Survival has implemented the cum drinking -> PSQ energy feature it has, as it does that as a soft requirement.

 

Ideally I want to add a generic method for other mods to easily use this mods lose and gain skill functionality. 

Posted
7 hours ago, RMCW said:

I'm playing around editing PSQ at the moment and may release a different version of that patch with some features from PSQ tweaks integrated.

 

Makes sense to gain a skill levels on drain kill, but I am not sure how possible it is without further investigation. For now I am going to look into how SL Survival has implemented the cum drinking -> PSQ energy feature it has, as it does that as a soft requirement.

 

Ideally I want to add a generic method for other mods to easily use this mods lose and gain skill functionality. 

oh cool ^^ and good luck figuring it out x_x

Posted

I like this mod overall, particularly with the incremental losses, I'm the one who commissioned Huan to make his expansion, he showed this to me.

 

I just wish you hadn't removed the option to lose skills on orgasm during consensual, not because it makes a ton of sense, but many mod authors do not properly flag what is consensual and what is nonconsensual.

 

From SlaveRun marking *literally every sex scene in the entire mod as 'rape' no matter how eager your character is*, to Troubles of Heroine forgetting the feature exists and marking everything ever as consensual even when you are totally being raped, the ability to customize where skill loss happens lets you compensate for badly labeled scenes.

Perhaps a button to say "this should be a rape scene, not consensual" or something, for this mod's purposes?

 

Personally I tend to use Succubus Heart for my succubus life, because it's more about your growth and less about vamping people to death.

Posted

@Yuni

I have just added Huan's Patreon to the mod description, I know he is struggling with financial support so I have started donating.

 

Sorry I removed that option, I wanted to make more of a game out of consensual and rape. I'll have a think about this though.

 

Maybe a key press to switch the mod from considering the animation as rape to consensual is the best solution.

 

EDIT: Also check my suggestions I uploaded to description for mods that use consensual correctly.

Posted
19 hours ago, JCPunch94 said:

Does this work with special edition 

 

On 9/16/2020 at 2:54 AM, normal24yearoldstudent said:

I know the original mod dosent work in SSE, so I assume neither would this be compatible? 

 

Hey - I am going to have a quick look at this now. I don't have SSE setup though so you will need to test it for me.

Posted
4 minutes ago, RMCW said:

 

 

Hey - I am going to have a quick look at this now. I don't have SSE setup though so you will need to test it for me.

I'm also using SE and MO2 reports an error with the DLL. I can also test it.

Posted
3 minutes ago, saltshade said:

I'm also using SE and MO2 reports an error with the DLL. I can also test it.

OK thanks for that. I do not have the source files for the DLL unfortunately so I am going to remove it from the SE version. This will mean that the perk debt feature doesn't work, but won't affect you as you are not using the skill loss/gain features.

Posted
16 minutes ago, RMCW said:

OK thanks for that. I do not have the source files for the DLL unfortunately so I am going to remove it from the SE version. This will mean that the perk debt feature doesn't work, but won't affect you as you are not using the skill loss/gain features.

Well I tried it and so far I'm not having any issues 

Posted
6 hours ago, JCPunch94 said:

Well I tried it and so far I'm not having any issues 

Great, I've just been looking into it and probably no conversion is required other than removing the DLL file. I have removed reference of the perk debt function from the script.

 

The only problem you will have is that if you lose a level when having no perk points, and regain that level, you will get another perk point that you shouldn't have at that level.

 

@saltshade Can you check if this version works OK for you please? 

 

Edit: Removed file, out of date.

 

Posted
On 9/17/2020 at 12:59 AM, Yuni said:

Perhaps a button to say "this should be a rape scene, not consensual" or something, for this mod's purposes?

I'm going to upload 3.0.7 shortly. It has an option in MCM to set key to switch between victim/consensual after animation starts.

 

Also added a key to report SexLab Sex Skills  as the actual values are not shown in SexLab's MCM, just a description version.

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