Submissive Lola: The resubmission

[VolfDeMar]

7 hours ago, Jehuty599 said:

I would like to suggest if it's not to much trouble to add the armbinder's as an option to this as well as maybe a "punishment time slider" ( for us bondage fans that would like more punishment time ). I never really liked the mittens, I always disable them if I can...I just think the look kind of ugly. Anyway it just an idea, it's not a big deal if it's to much of a pain to implement. 

 

I'm really loving the mod so far, thanks so much for all your's and MrEsturk hard work.

I support this idea!

[AnnaShapard]

23 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

Well done Anna! You must have learned from the Lola Mistress ?

I'm already happy that you take it in consideration (I think it was your idea all along anyways ^^)

It wasn't my Idea, Mistress Jenassa ordered me to do it, bec She wants these Mittens. And as Mistress Jenassas Plaything, i do everything She tells me, because I am not allowed to think for myself! ?

[swords and sandals]

Just following up on this post, where I had an issue with the bound arm idle being stuck when sprinting after a period in Lola's restraints. I've just had the same thing happen with the yoke from Devious Cidhna's bandit enslavement scenario, so it looks to be a general DD issue or, more likely, an issue with my game. Manually equipping and then removing a different devious wrist restraint fixed it again in any case.

 

On another note, a mod appeared on nexus recently that came in handy for selecting a new forced hairstyle for Lola. This lets you add a bunch of hairstyles to a list, which you can then cycle between using a lesser power, without having to keep going back into racemenu and flicking through hundreds of options. It made setting an alternate style a breeze, and also comes in handy for general roleplay. I've picked a long, loose style, a ponytail style and an up-do which all match pretty well. She can let her hair down to relax, tie it back to keep it out of her way when she's adventuring, and go for something more elaborate when she's "working" the inns.

[Hex Bolt]

31 minutes ago, merManc said:

Manually equipping and then removing a different devious wrist restraint fixed it again in any case.

I don't get that often, but sometimes for me just jumping will clear the stuck animation.

1 hour ago, AnnaShapard said:

Mistress Jenassa ordered me to do it, bec She wants these Mittens. And as Mistress Jenassas Plaything, i do everything She tells me, because I am not allowed to think for myself!

Yes, it only causes trouble for Lola when she tries to think.  She has an owner to do that for her.

 

In regard to mittens & armbinders, I'll probably reserve them for friendly fire punishment (completely optional), since they are rather punitive even with DD settings.  After some thought, for normal score-based weapon & magic restriction it's better to leave the hands free.  Mittens are fun but perhaps we can find other situations for them.  You should at least be permitted to use Restoration spells.  If you can't fight you can still heal.  And you'll need those hands free to massage your owner's feet after a long day on the road.

[Kargano01]

Hello all, it is me Again...

 

No Bugs at the moment, just a question/suggestion. But i think i am the only one. so it is not a problem if it hard to do or not wanted.

 

I was thinking abou a rule where my Mistress put me in Armbinders or so by entering a dungeon ( of course naked ). I know it is not usual. But i like if my Mistress and my Follower restrict my usability.  And i must watch where i step.

Also a suggestion to do this on Traveling ( Walk) to other destinations.

 

Best regards and again Many many thanks for the work on this Mod.

[AnnaShapard]

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

I don't get that often, but sometimes for me just jumping will clear the stuck animation.

Yes, it only causes trouble for Lola when she tries to think.  She has an owner to do that for her.

 

In regard to mittens & armbinders, I'll probably reserve them for friendly fire punishment (completely optional), since they are rather punitive even with DD settings.  After some thought, for normal score-based weapon & magic restriction it's better to leave the hands free.  Mittens are fun but perhaps we can find other situations for them.  You should at least be permitted to use Restoration spells.  If you can't fight you can still heal.  And you'll need those hands free to massage your owner's feet after a long day on the road.

how about towns too? I don't think i need weapons there! could also be optional! I (also) wouldn't mind for a bit more town bondage!:P

[blahity]

Hello! Love the mod! Just got a quick question about the nipple ring collar option. I'm trying to hide the chains when my character is wearing armor and by default hiding the collar slot (45) doesn't work and still leaves the chains visible. Anyone know if there is another slot that would work or should I just switch collars?

[Hex Bolt]

9 minutes ago, blahity said:

Just got a quick question about the nipple ring collar option. I'm trying to hide the chains when my character is wearing armor and by default hiding the collar slot (45) doesn't work and still leaves the chains visible. Anyone know if there is another slot that would work or should I just switch collars?

If you don't want the chains just ask for a different collar.  That one isn't very interesting without the chains.

[Zaflis]

9 minutes ago, blahity said:

Hello! Love the mod! Just got a quick question about the nipple ring collar option. I'm trying to hide the chains when my character is wearing armor and by default hiding the collar slot (45) doesn't work and still leaves the chains visible. Anyone know if there is another slot that would work or should I just switch collars?

45 should be the slot from what i could tell in TES5Edit. You added that to chest armor hider in DD's MCM? I forgot what the menus look like so screenshot could help. You might also need to save and load game so that the devicehider reapplies.

[blahity]

1 minute ago, Zaflis said:

45 should be the slot from what i could tell in TES5Edit. You added that to chest armor hider in DD's MCM? I forgot what the menus look like so screenshot could help. You might also need to save and load game so that the devicehider reapplies.

Yeah hiding slot 45 when wearing armor in slot 32 hides the collar itself but not the chains from the collar to the nipples. I'll just switch to a different collar instead. Thanks for trying to help guys.

[Hex Bolt]

15 hours ago, blahity said:

Yeah hiding slot 45 when wearing armor in slot 32 hides the collar itself but not the chains from the collar to the nipples. I'll just switch to a different collar instead.

It turns out the chain are using slot 51.  But there's a better solution.  Use the console to give yourself the Iron Collar (xx01E687) which is that collar without the chains.  I might also add that one to this mod's collar list. 

 

Edit:  I have added it for the next update as the Simple Ring collar.

[CaptainJ03]

8 hours ago, Kargano01 said:

I was thinking abou a rule where my Mistress put me in Armbinders or so by entering a dungeon ( of course naked ). I know it is not usual. But i like if my Mistress and my Follower restrict my usability.  And i must watch where i step.

Also a suggestion to do this on Traveling ( Walk) to other destinations.

Really? I've provided Mistress with a consloe added daedric armour and two-handed sword, and she's good with wolves or simple bandits. As soon as it gets tougher, I'm the one to save her, because I am not AI driven but know how to (avoid) fight.

 

@HexBolt8 - a tiny immersion issue with the Whiterum Walk - we left the Bannered Mare, Mistress says: "Oh we're in Whiterun (etc)" ,turned on her heel and walked back in. ?

[Nymra]

I just tried to start Lola via SS++

 

I followed the directions and had MARCURIO from Bees & Barb selected as auction buyer. 
then startet SS++

But after auction end there was no new owner appearing in front of me

I just got the "Strong Hand" quest start 
Marcurio also knew of nothing when I kinldy went to see him

 

[Hex Bolt]

9 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

a tiny immersion issue with the Whiterum Walk - we left the Bannered Mare, Mistress says: "Oh we're in Whiterun (etc)" ,turned on her heel and walked back in.

Yes, that bugs me too!  Maybe she got really drunk and forgot where she was?  Heh.

 

What I really want to do there is have you walk a whole circuit of the city, since the streets roughly form a circle, but that would mean reworking the owner's travel package with waypoints and that could look weird depending on where you start.  I gave it some thought and just added a distance condition.  The quest won't activate now if you're too close to the Bannered Mare.  Belethor's and Arcadia's shops are too close.  That's an improvement anyway.  The change will be in the next update. 

[Hex Bolt]

55 minutes ago, Nymra said:

I just tried to start Lola via SS++

 

I followed the directions and had MARCURIO from Bees & Barb selected as auction buyer. 
then startet SS++

But after auction end there was no new owner appearing in front of me

I just got the "Strong Hand" quest start 
Marcurio also knew of nothing when I kinldy went to see him

Are you sure that you're using SS++ and that it's version 6.3.2 or later and installed correctly?  What you described is exactly what the player would see with SS+ or classic SS.

 

When using SS++, the enslavement script from SLTR will be started, rather than simply starting the Strong Hand quest.  That script has several checkpoints, and if it is unable to continue (for example, if recruiting the designated buyer doesn't succeed), it will display a pop-up message, the kind you can't miss when you must click OK to continue.  It sounds like the SLTR enslavement script never started. 

[Nymra]

3 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Are you sure that you're using SS++ and that it's version 6.3.2 or later and installed correctly?  What you described is exactly what the player would see with SS+ or classic SS.

 

When using SS++, the enslavement script from SLTR will be started, rather than simply starting the Strong Hand quest.  That script have several checkpoint, and if it is unable to continue (for example, if recruiting the designated buyer doesn't succeed), it will display a pop-up message, the kind you can't miss when you must click OK to continue.  It sounds like the SLTR enslavement script never started. 

ops, my bad! 
I seem to have forgotten to tick the updates! 
nvm, will go to the auction again right away

btw I pm'ed you about a SS++ addon. No worries, I just have some scripting questions. 

[CaptainJ03]

57 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Yes, that bugs me too!  Maybe she got really drunk and forgot where she was?  Heh.

Come now, Mistress, I'll take you home! ?

 

Just found another inconvenience which I barely survived. I managed to fail two quests at the same time (got stuck in a cutscene) - Run Lola Run and Adventuring Slave. And while I was being whipped for being such a failure, I was simultaneously zapped and told to return to my Mistress immediately.

I don't mind the double whipping (painslut me would even queue for a third) but getting zapped while stuck in a scene with her feels unfair!

[Hex Bolt]

9 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

I managed to fail two quests at the same time (got stuck in a cutscene) - Run Lola Run and Adventuring Slave. And while I was being whipped for being such a failure, I was simultaneously zapped and told to return to my Mistress immediately.

I'll add some condition checking for the zapping if you fail Adventuring Slave.

[CaptainJ03]

3 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

15 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

I managed to fail two quests at the same time (got stuck in a cutscene) - Run Lola Run and Adventuring Slave. And while I was being whipped for being such a failure, I was simultaneously zapped and told to return to my Mistress immediately.

I'll add some condition checking for the zapping if you fail Adventuring Slave.

Just tried that same scene a second time, now it worked without extra zapping. The first time 'your' animation played (standing with legs spread, hands behind my head) and I got zapped a lot, the 2nd time some othe SLAL animation triggered and I didn't get zapped during that animation.

Oh the Myths of Skyrim's script engine...

[Hex Bolt]

16 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Just tried that same scene a second time, now it worked without extra zapping.

Well I just added the condition checking so it can't hurt.  You'll be reminded to return but not zapped during whipping, sex, combat, dialog, and other conditions.

[Nymra]

Did some more playtesting and have the following:

 

In General:

- I play with Timescale 5

- I read all the text in the OP and patches and in the MCM but I still have only a minor understanding of what all the MCM sliders do. Might be the language barrier but the descriptions seem to be a bit incomplete or too vague, dont know, sorry

- I also dont understand completly which slider effects me when I have timescale 5. I can make no sense of the description for this case. 

 

Positive:

- alot of this really reminds be about Maria Eden which was a great experince in general. 
- whipping is cool and immersive, the pose looks nice!

- dancing and fucking, yay!

- punishment system for not equipping stuff is so nice! This is such a nice change from the DD method and really adds to the feeling. 

Problems:

1 - Master skating: dunno if it comes from this mod, but sometimes the master starts skating with his arms crossed instead of walking. Only combat seems to fix this

2 - Whipping damage is too high with combat mods. I would love an option to remove whipping damage (its over almost immediatly in my setup)

 

3 - what is the purpose of "May I be of service?" I 100% of the times only get "kneel" and then "you look fine and stuff" and the message "Your master beckons you.
I also have the quest "move your ass". What does it mean? What do I have to do? And why is this ALWAYS coming up when I ask for something to do?

4 - I get the feeling the 24 hours gag ended after 10 hours

 

5 - not fulfilling the tasks does not seem to do much. I was punsished once by electrocuting and losing some health, thats it. Is there supposed to be more?
In general I am missing the incentive to do the tasks. I am a roleplay myself but when there is almost no reason to do it I can also just roleplay everything. So I m asking this just for me to understand what to expect. 
Suggestion: a harsher punishment for failure, like beeing forced naked 24 hours, having +1 day in service, have to bring gold or be punished... 

6 - once the Master wanted me to strip and he said something about "stuff for later" but that "later" never happened. I also was not punished for dressing again and got no quest that I have to remain naked?! 

 

7 - I read something about licking feet (ME oh yes!) but it never happend in two days of asking the master every hour... 
 

 

[Nymra]

10 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

Use STA (spank) or NFF (snap out of it) or anything that makes her stagger or change idle

ok, would just be cool if there would be a fix built in in the future

 

10 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

That's an issue of combat mods. You probably have that issue with any whipping of any devious mod?

funny enough there are only like 2 mods having whipping really. in POP I just use god mode. might do this here. Just wanted to report anyway. 
I dont see the gameplay sense of health damage by whipping. its not a combat its a sex thing, but in some things you might just disagree.

There is also a setting for "Shock Strength" (shock damage) so why not for "Whip damage"?
With "Whip damage 1" and "Whipping amoun" 400 I could get like VERY long whipping scenes
 

10 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

Guess you have SLS installed. The begging dialogue conflicts a bit. Either just start a conversation with her again after her comment (or during) and/or modify the SLS esp to block the begging dialogue:

  Reveal hidden contents

for SLS search the line in Dialogue Topic:

_SLS_BeggingGagBranchTopic

 

right click on the following entries and choose "Edit":

Subtype:                        Forcegreet  =edit to>  Custom

SNAM -Subtype Name:  PFGT          =edit to>  CUST

 

close TES5edit and the changes in the esp will be saved.

 

hmm, seems not to be true in this case. At least I dont have the feeling that there is an interference.

 

10 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

Master want's you do do something for her. Talk to her to find out what it is if she doesn't force greets you.

 

OK. Now I got it. 
Welll, this is something that clearly is not well designed or should be described better.
I have to talk to the master AGAIN to continue the already running dialogue. Then there is the "..." or sometimes two "..." "..." options and THEN there is something happening.

So I have to ask why this is not just done as continuation of the dialogue? And why is there only the "..." as possible answers? 
In case this works as intended, no worries, then I just dont understand the necessities behind it. 

 

10 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

Also check your Quest Journal if you think you missed something.

I m checking it constantly. 
 

"Obey your Master and move your ass when he beckons" is 100% not telling me anything about what to do when there is "Your Master beckons you" in the upper left corner. 
Maybe there should be written "Your Master beckons you. Talk to him again." That is what I mean

 

10 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

If you used the "may I be of service" dialogue option it's basically the confirmation that you will get a quest.

that is what I thought. Maybe it is just not described anywhere. I read the board and I think I m not the only one with the proble,. 

 

10 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

That's implemented already. You really need to read the MCM descriptions more. They aren't that bad as you say they are.

 

I found nothing that states "as punishment you get 1 day more service" 
I only found something like 1 more task to do the next day.

I still think punishment for not fullfilling daily tasks is at the moment basically meaningless (at least from my perspective). This is just feedback, not criticism. 

"Typical punishment is the well known electrocutting. Under circumstances (high difficulty, low level) it may get very painful or even deadly. There is also some spanking, whipping, light bondage, restraints and forced stripping."

 

10 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

EDIT:

Don't forget to grab the newest patch from the topic!

I guess that's why you're missing so many options

latest is here:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

you should read more carefully too... the patch includes nothing that is of relevance here

[Hex Bolt]

DTMT already answered a lot of the questions so I'll add where needed.  I'll just emphasize that if you're still using mod version 1.0 you're missing a lot of fixes and new features.  

 

A general comment on MCM info text.  I've worked to make it as clear as I can, but if something is hard to understand, let me know that and tell me which settings and what wasn't clear about it, and I will change them.  Obviously I can't act on a general statement that some help text is unclear.  Keep in mind that space is limited.  I try to limit info text to 3 lines (a few are 4) to avoid possibly going below the bottom of the display, depending on the player's setup.  More complex topics have extra explanation on the Help page.

 

The game's timescale is used in a few ways.  Mostly you won't have to think about it.  In general, references to hours mean game hours, and references to minutes or seconds mean real minutes or seconds. 

 

The time for offering service was recently changed to factor in time scale, since the info text for that time period had been misleading for extreme time scales.  It should be simpler now and fit the description.  If your time scale is 5, you will probably want to increase "Offer Service Cooldown" to keep the time the same as it was before, but that's personal preference.

 

In regard to the stuck "skating" owner pose, I have fixed the places I could find where that might occur, though I probably missed some.  I also changed the "Master?" dialog to always reset the owner's animation.  If your owner gets stuck, just talk t your owner and ask "Master?" to fix it.  I will try to get that update posted today.  It's a small set of changes but that's a useful fix. 

 

This mod can't know about combat mods, especially those with severe penalties.  The whipping is modded here to cause half normal damage, just one point per hit.  If your character is getting destroyed by such a low-damage weapon, you probably should take a careful look at your combat mod settings to be sure that they are reasonable. 

 

MrEsturk made some changes to the timing for the gag quest.  I'm having trouble understanding the intent of the changes.  It might only be lasting 8 hours.  I'm going to comment out those changes and add a note about that for when MrEsturk resumes control, and he can get it working the way he wants. 

 

1 hour ago, Nymra said:

once the Master wanted me to strip and he said something about "stuff for later" but that "later" never happened.

Many comments are just for the imagination.  They suggest things that you might not actually see.  If your owner tells you exactly what will and won't happen, that's boring.  Your owner might comment on selling you to the jarl.  That won't happen; this mod won't sell you.  But it creates the right atmosphere by suggesting that it could.  Imagination is a powerful tool for enhancing a game experience.

 

1 hour ago, Nymra said:

I also was not punished for dressing again and got no quest that I have to remain naked?! 

This is the "Eye Candy chance" MCM setting.  Unless you have it at 100%, you won't always have to stay naked after you're made to strip.

 

As you've noticed, most punishments are a zap (very temporary damage) and a score reduction.  You can also now have days added to contract time (under certain conditions) when you're whipped or spanked.  Again, you need the latest update.  1.0 doesn't have that.  A possible new feature would be restricting use of weapons & magic to a score threshold (a new MCM setting).  The rest is up to you.  You can make up your own rules and enforce them yourself to make the score more meaningful.  I like to base the player's share of gold on score.  I get half my score as a percentage, so my share varies from 0 to 50%.  Unless my character is submissive (or at least pretends to be), that character won't have much gold.  My character must have hands bound in towns (I use the leather binds) when the score is too low, just a rule I invented for my game and I enforce it myself.  There are many things like that which you can do to make the score really matter, without waiting for a feature to be added. 

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Nymra said:

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Master want's you do do something for her. Talk to her to find out what it is if she doesn't force greets you.

 

OK. Now I got it. 
Welll, this is something that clearly is not well designed or should be described better.
I have to talk to the master AGAIN to continue the already running dialogue. Then there is the "..." or sometimes two "..." "..." options and THEN there is something happening.

So I have to ask why this is not just done as continuation of the dialogue? And why is there only the "..." as possible answers? 
In case this works as intended, no worries, then I just dont understand the necessities behind it. 

@donttouchmethere is right.  If you're getting incomplete dialog, and especially if you're seeing "..." you are getting interference from another mod.  SL Survival and Devious Followers Continued both have conflicts with finding out what your owner wants.  Herowynne posted patches for SE and a description of how to change it yourself for LE.

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Nymra said:

I found nothing that states "as punishment you get 1 day more service" 
I only found something like 1 more task to do the next day.

That is from the 12 September update notes, here:  

A new Rules option on the MCM, "Contract days added per punishment".

- Adds days to contract time whenever you are spanked or whipped.
- Does not apply if there is no contract, or for spanking or whipping that you request.

 

You might reasonably have missed reading the update, but it is a setting on the MCM.  You must look at the MCM to understand how you can configure the mod.  The update notes are not necessary, but they help by informing you of the changes as they occur.

 

1 hour ago, Nymra said:

"Typical punishment is the well known electrocutting. Under circumstances (high difficulty, low level) it may get very painful or even deadly. There is also some spanking, whipping, light bondage, restraints and forced stripping."

That's from the mod description, which itself states that this section was taken and edited from the original mod page (last updated in 2015).  I guess I haven't stated this recently, but to be clear:  MrEsturk owns Submissive Lola: The Resubmission.  I am co-author.  MrEsturk has been busy, and he asked me to take over mod development until he has the time again. 

 

On this site, only the mod owner can change the description page.  I can't update the description.  I can't post new official versions.  MrEsturk does that, and his time is limited.  So I post updates here, for players to apply to the last official version, and with those updates I provide notes to describe what changed.  If you miss reading the update notes, then you really have to look at the MCM to see what settings are available.  Every setting has info text.  That's all I can do.