R.I.P NexusMods

[phillout]

32 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

 

This copyright issue is also a source of concern. If I release the mod elsewhere, and some troll upload it to the Nexus and claims it for himself, I know there will be nothing I could do about it.

I was thinking if set the mod to hidden could prevent it, though. I release the mod, wait one week, then hidden it. The title will still be there, but nobody will be able to download it.

 

You can just use some permissive license and allow people to redistribute your mod. You retain the copyright, it isn't going anywhere. It's just that more people will use it. And, provided the license allows modifications as well - some will hopefully improve it.

 

What's the point of having a restrictive license anyway? You are not getting money. You are not getting any fame, since you even hide your name. So what's the point? The one forcing everyone to go to some particular site so they can see some "like" button to press? Is this microdose of dopamine you're getting from seeing those likes actually worth it?

 

[MaidoLover]

32 minutes ago, phillout said:

 

Excuse me?

Show me one mod that has a copyright,  held by the modder.  Just one.

Just how  naive could you be to believe that? 

 

Well I'm waiting...  You do know what a copyright is, do you?   
 

 

[phillout]

1 minute ago, MaidoLover said:

Show me one mod that has a copyright,  held by the modder.  Just one.

Just how  naive could you be to believe that? 

 

Well I'm waiting...  You do know what a copyright is, do you?   
 

 

 

You always have a copyright on any work you create, by default. You create something - the copyright is yours. It's that simple.

[Ankahet]

1 hour ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

I'm thorned by a dilemma: to release or not to release?

Yesterday I've came accross a post by a user called "Gorgulla" in the Nexus, which said he receives less than 10% endorsements from all the downloads of his stuff on the Nexus. I noticed I received the same input from the images I post there. His post was from 2016 and he didnt release anything since 2017, he just abandoned ship. I didnt experimented his content but it looked like quality content.

 

My follower mod is on a advanced stage: they each have a exclusive perk, and lines of dialogue. I also made new npc enemies and added them to the levelled lists. I even created a drain spell which I didnt saw in any other mod before.

The dialogue is causing a plot which can lead to a quest which might require Beyond Skyrim. If not available, I will have to make a entire town myself. Dont even know how to make it, I'm bad with navmeshes.

On the other side, the Forgotten Dungeons Overhaul is also developing. Yesterday Mihail gave me permission to use his monsters on it. I've put several new ambushes, new spawn points, and half the content is already done. When I add some of his monsters, it will be a blast.

Then I still have my own bodyslide to release.

 

But after reading Gorgulla post yesterday, and after the harassment on Reddit today, where I was flagged for asking for a hug animation, I ask myself if I should release the content, when I finish it, or if I should just keep it for myself.

How do you, more experienced modders, deal with it?

Did you ever felt it before?

The SAM mod I downloaded from here. It is not available in the SSE Nexus.

 

The toxic players who try to undermine your work, they certainly dont deserve it.

But what about the others? What about those who want to start modding, and are inspired by your releases?

Would we have the Nexus if people kept all of it to themselves?

There are shitty people and assholes everywhere. Even here.

 

If you dont want to release it, then dont.

 

If youd like others to enjoy your work, then do. But you have to accept someone may try to steal it. Thems the breaks.

[MaidoLover]

18 minutes ago, phillout said:

You retain the copyright

Ok,  I must be seriously missing something.  What copyright? 

 

We're talking about video games still, right? 

 

That all a have some fine print about reverse engineering and changing code... By the actual copyright owners (which is usually a corporation / game publisher) 

 

 

[MaidoLover]

5 minutes ago, phillout said:

 

You always have a copyright on any work you create, by default. You create something - the copyright is yours. It's that simple.

So you literally don't know what a copyright is got it. 

[Ankahet]

13 minutes ago, MaidoLover said:

Ok,  I must be seriously missing something.  What copyright? 

 

We're talking about video games still, right? 

 

That all a have some fine print about reverse engineering and changing code... By the actual copyright owners (which is usually a corporation / game publisher) 

 

 

I think they mean Intellectual property. In order to have a copyright you have to file and be approved for one. Nothing is automatically "copyright" simply because you make it sadly.

[phillout]

3 minutes ago, MaidoLover said:

So you literally don't know what a copyright is got it. 

 

You need to educate yourself on the subject of copyright, just start from something simple, so you ain't gonna stress yourself a lot

 

Copyright Basics: A Beginner’s Guide

 

13 minutes ago, MaidoLover said:

That all a have some fine print about reverse engineering and changing code... By the actual copyright owners (which is usually a corporation / game publisher) 

 

 

You are not "reverse engineering" anything while making a mod. 

[phillout]

8 minutes ago, Ankahet said:

I think they mean Intellectual property. In order to have a copyright you have to file and be approved for one. 

No, that would be a "trademark". You apply for a trademark. You don't need to apply anything for a copyright.

[Guest]

nexusmods has been shit since forever. Always had shitty admins. Always had shitty user base. To add to their pristine collection of shit now they have shitty mod managers. They abandoned NMM because it was shit. Vortex is shit. The new "community manager" is shit. Their servers are shit. Their "donation points" program is shit.

 

I have an account there to download stuff. That's it. They may be the biggest host, but big isn't always best.

[Ankahet]

26 minutes ago, phillout said:

No, that would be a "trademark". You apply for a trademark. You don't need to apply anything for a copyright.

Still have to register it in order to take any legal action

 

https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html

[27X]

1 hour ago, MaidoLover said:

Show me one mod that has a copyright,  held by the modder.  Just one.

Just how  naive could you be to believe that? 

 

Well I'm waiting...  You do know what a copyright is, do you?   
 

 

As was stated in the Code Vein thread you ignored, intellectual copyright is protected by US Law.

 

Case in point:

 

I have a completely fixed (crosses claws) dual mod of Pandea Work's three followers. Should I upload it, it doesn't mean anything. The characters belong solely to Pandea Works, who has plenty of evidence to that fact. Just because those intellectual properties are in a format owned by Bethesda doesn't change ANYTHING about that ownership, and that applies to me getting permission to upload the streamlined version I've made. I don't own any of it, period.

 

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[JimKhan]

.... I think Nexus Mods is going to be just fine.

[steelpanther24]

4 hours ago, 27X said:

As was stated in the Code Vein thread you ignored, intellectual copyright is protected by US Law.

 

Case in point:

 

I have a completely fixed (crosses claws) dual mod of Pandea Work's three followers. Should I upload it, it doesn't mean anything. The characters belong solely to Pandea Works, who has plenty of evidence to that fact. Just because those intellectual properties are in a format owned by Bethesda doesn't change ANYTHING about that ownership, and that applies to me getting permission to upload the streamlined version I've made. I don't own any of it, period.

Don't we sign away any IP claim when modding in CK?   I am one of the many who rarely read the legal details because it is always "accept and use this software" or " decline and not use this software" kind of choice.   

[27X]

EULA doesn't equal law. If you make a character in Skyrim and upload it, it's your character.  The reason massa cheefs and weetcher can appear in Skyrim with assets is both companies give explicit permission to do so. They still own the copyright.

 

Namco doesn't own Gouki and Geese, they appear in T7 by permission. In the specific case I mentioned if you went to Pandea's Pixiv and Tumblr, those characters existed before Skyrim in distinct likenesses and open visual format. Bethesda has zero claim to them, only the format in which they appear. While Pandea can't make any money or republish them in "paid dlc" for a Bethesda product, Bethesda cannot say shit to Pandea if Neisa and Onean end up in a comic or other game and they look exactly like they do in Skyrim, right down to polycount on the meshes, if the meshes aren't in bethesda specific nif format. The UV however might be a different story.

 

Every CC author signed a contract with Bethesda, which is why authors Bethesda picked made NEW mods for the CC, they literally cannot use their old mods as they already exist in recorded, documented domain and even though they're in a Beth owned format. Anything similar has to be remade with express handing over of rights and ownership.

 

While Zenimax could still make your life a living hell with endless litigation, it is litigation they would ultimately lose, even if you did something completely stupid like making your character related to Aela or Ulfric or something equally READ MY BLOG LIKE MY FANFICTION GREEN HAND/ARROW DESPERATION HERE

 

Pretty much the reason devs tend not to visit fan forums and avoid READ MY GREAT IDEA FOR YOUR GAEM HIER ME I AM GOOD GAEM MAKE like the plague.

[Halstrom]

On 11/29/2019 at 11:38 AM, qoq said:

So, NexusMods is making everyone change their password to 12 characters with this and that , and "2-step verification".

 

LMAO!

 

Fuck them. Anything I've uploaded over there, can be uploaded here, right?

 

I'm not doing it. I bet they lose 75% of their membership.

 

How much money you got on that?
Is someone upset the accounts will be more difficult to hack?

[phillout]

8 hours ago, Ankahet said:

Still have to register it in order to take any legal action

 

https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html

 

Gosh... Yes, you can REGISTER the copyright, but you don't APPLY for it.  See the difference already?

 

How filing a LAWSUIT is even relevant to this discussion?

 

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Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

 

This is what you should have red.

[phillout]

3 hours ago, steelpanther24 said:

Don't we sign away any IP claim when modding in CK?   I am one of the many who rarely read the legal details because it is always "accept and use this software" or " decline and not use this software" kind of choice.   

 

No. Read it carefully. You give them rights, you give them something that means unlimited license (i.e. they can take your mod and make it a part of their DLC), but you still retain your copyright. That's why they included this phrase:

 

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 You also waive and agree never to assert against Bethesda Softworks or its affiliates, distributors or licensors any moral rights or similar rights, however designated, that You may have in or to any of the New Materials. If You commit any breach of this Agreement, Your right to use the Editor under this Agreement shall automatically terminate, without notice.

 

Basically if you decide you aren't bound by this agreement and  sue Bethesda, you lose your right to use CK. That's the only consequences. 

[Guest]

Thank you all for the input.

I've made a profile of the toxic players through reactions collected on Reddit. Two things to consider: they dont like sexualized content, and they dont like hard content. So I will just make some requirements for the followers mod which involves sexualized and hard content. This will restrict the distribution, so that the good players will still be able to download it. If modders dont share, modding does not evolve.

[89349]

man nexus is just fine...2mb with no ublock origin and the kaspesky extension off on nexus...only times i get banned is when i get mad about something stupid and post a dumb comment :9 ..i can't help myself...but otherwise there's no problem..seriously 2mb/s as a free user is enough...if you really don't want any problem just never post a comment...done lol

i say this a downloader...idk about modders what the rules are..

[MaidoLover]

13 hours ago, 27X said:

intellectual copyright is protected by US Law.

Yes. And that protects the copyright owners, which is usually a dev or a publisher. 

 

This isn't how it works... 

 

Making mods isn't illegal by any means,  but selling them is. As you then can't even say "fair use" anymore. 

 

Which I think you know exactly and even previously agreed to iirc.  

 

 

Car analogy :  

 

 

so I steal your car. 

 

then I change some things,  give it a new paint job, maybe a nice airbrush too. 

 

then you find out where I am and your car is, you call the cops. 

 

 

then I'll just say "u see I artistically changed some things, it's now my intellectual property"

 

and the cops be like "tough luck this isn't your car anymore!" 

 

 

that's just not how it works,  if you steal something,  change it a bit,  it's not suddenly your property! 

 

 

so unless you or someone else can show me where a modder actually holds a lawful "copyright" on a creation they did for an already existing game this is nothing more than forum circle jerk and you can proof absolutely nothing and your beliefs must be considered wrong. 

 

 

 

 

 

[DoctaSax]

Since studios like Beth demand that modders give them a limited copy of their copyright, it logically means the modders have a copyright to give. Don't be obtuse.

None of that has anything to do with 'selling' or 'fair use' either.

 

LL's position is that modders indeed have an exclusive copyright as soon as they make the mod, limited only by the agreement they go into with whatever studio made the game they mod.

[phillout]

1 hour ago, MaidoLover said:

Car analogy :  

 

so I steal your car. 

 

 

Why don't you actually try making mods for once to see how it differs from stealing cars?

[Yueviathan]

Wtf? What happened? First this thread started of with a mong bitching about extra long passwords being the last straw to shut down nexus. Then went to more non issues, then I admit got knee jerked on info about the 2mb cap, which wasn't really that bad and own being a mong about that shit. However I come back to read and now people rawring at eachother over copyright. What happened? 

 

Why are we here? Just to suffer? Every night I can feel my leg ...And my arm...

 

We all gone nuklear,I hope we can pull this shit back ❤️

[phillout]

29 minutes ago, Yueviathan said:

Wtf? What happened?

The mankind being as imperfect as it is happened - yet again