Sexlab Survival

[mercplatypus]

I noticed there was a bullet point to add generic follower to assign to player in the development forum.  Has there been anything going on with that?

[Monoman1]

1 minute ago, mercplatypus said:

I noticed there was a bullet point to add generic follower to assign to player in the development forum.  Has there been anything going on with that?

No not really.

@Lupine00

has something like that planned for DFC I think?

[Lupine00]

19 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

has something like that planned for DFC I think?

Can someone explain this feature again?  

 

 

Do you mean being forced to take a DF without any specific cause?

 

Right now, you are forced to take one if you have low enough willpower. Potentially, STA or SLS spanks could make your willpower low enough for that to happen.

That will work right now, no changes to anything. A guard will bind you and follow you until you identify your "master", who then becomes your DF with some debt added (not actually enslaved).

If you want to make that harsher, set minimum contract to 30 days or something. With the "boredom" defaults, chances are you'll get into serious trouble before that 30 days is up.

 

 

In what circumstances would people want a DF to choose them, rather than the reverse?

 

Another thing you can do with DF (probably nobody uses it like this though) - set the daily rate really low, and disable boredom, then set minimum contract to 180 or so. Now when you get a follower, you can't get rid of them, but they aren't draining all your money. They will help you deal with devices, and sometimes they might play a game with you (but even that's fairly unlikely unless you trash your willpower). Really just a follower you can't get rid of.

[Monoman1]

1 minute ago, Lupine00 said:

Can someone explain this feature again?

Oh I meant I thought you were planning on adding a generic type follower to each city. Then SLS could auto load them as possible followers to be force assigned considering in vanilla not many towns actually have an 'escort' available. 

[SkyTem]

Posted a question earlier but you never really answered it.  Didn't know if you had missed it or were too busy answering other people's questions.  Was wondering if in a future update you might add some more sounds when your character got stripped from the various events of this mod?  For example when your character had their worn clothing/armor confiscated by an enforcer it could play a clothes ripping or armor breaking sound "depending on what you were wearing".  What do you guys think?  Would that be another cool feature you would want added or would it be better without any?  I know your busy, was jc.

[Lupine00]

5 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Oh I meant I thought you were planning on adding a generic type follower to each city. Then SLS could auto load them as possible followers to be force assigned considering in vanilla not many towns actually have an 'escort' available. 

Oh. Right. Yes. I am.

 

What I intend to do before I start on a SLAX update is to make a little patch mod that disables the vanilla hirelings (as they seem to be a pain point) and adds stand ins with similar sounding names and identical appearances. Plus I'll add Dotti and Lotte in there, who have custom faces (but that's about it in terms of specialness). They cover Markarth and Winterhold.

 

New "hirelings" will have a topic: "I need your help. I'll pay you to follow me." They won't have any special hireling behavior because DF does that anyway.

When the faction for them is made, I'll let you know what it is called and its ID.

 

Note that 2.08 is up and you can now detect DF without any dependency. I hope!

There's probably going to be a 2.09 update before I start on SLAX too, with some more trivial bug fixes.

So if you can check that 2.08 does what you want before that, would be cool.

 

With that plan, where are we still missing an escort?

I'm going to check.

[Lupine00]

4 hours ago, SkyTem said:

Would that be another cool feature you would want added or would it be better without any?

Doesn't excite me personally. The existing rip sound sound is a bit weird and I prefer not to hear it.

If a guard or enforcer demands your clothes, presumably you remove them normally and they don't make a sound anyway?

The items are not all ripped up when you retrieve them.

[Lupine00]

  

4 hours ago, SkyTem said:

Would that be another cool feature you would want added or would it be better without any?

Doesn't excite me personally. The existing rip sound is a bit weird and I prefer not to hear it.

If a guard or enforcer demands your clothes, presumably you remove them normally and they don't make a sound anyway?

The items are not all ripped up when you retrieve them.

 

Some words from the guard or enforcer would be cool though?

"Get naked bitch" or something.

"Take them off bitch" ?

 

I know Monoman loves making those words for different voices more than anything...  

Though I'd have expected enforcers to all use one voice type.

[aspirine2]

any option to check at the MCM to make the guards ask to ckeck the license from time to time ..??

[N.Gamma]

I have a problem with the mod, when I enter Whiterun a guard comes to me and warns me for example because of my armor.

Then the guard turns around, takes a few steps and comes straight back to me and warns me again.

Or a second guard comes to me and warns me about the same or another offence.

So I have no chance at all to react to the warnings and end up directly in the kennel or get a punishment imposed.

Is that correct?

 

Then I wanted to ask if you can make your mod a bit more neutral in the dialogues of the guards, so that you can better use the mod "Diverse Guards Skyrim".

At the moment these dialogues are designed exclusively for male guards.

Or is it not wanted by you at all, that in a Skyrim, which you create with SL Survival, women can be watched? Then I would uninstall various guards.

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, AreaGamer said:

Then I wanted to ask if you can make your mod a bit more neutral in the dialogues of the guards, so that you can better use the mod "Diverse Guards Skyrim".

At the moment these dialogues are designed exclusively for male guards.

Or is it not wanted by you at all, that in a Skyrim, which you create with SL Survival, women can be watched? Then I would uninstall various guards.

Perhaps stick a sex is male check on all their dialogs?

Might take a while.

 

Then create female ones that are "SLS lore friendly" (that's my new phrase, learn to love it).

 

e.g.

Spoiler

"You disgust me. You bring shame to women."

"Adventurers are all whores. I despise them."

"You might be able to pull the wool over the eyes of those men, but you don't fool me whore."

"I know your sort. Can't keep your legs together."

"It's probably time for you to end your wild ways and settle down with a good man."

"I know good men are hard to find, but you don't deserve a good man."

"A woman alone? I know what you are. Not an honest soldier, that's for sure."

"You call that armor? Tavern clothes more like."

"I'd help you, but you brought this on yourself. No brains, just a cunt."

"Self control? I think you've heard of it. Do you know what it means?"

"Your selfishness is ruining it for the rest of us."

"The men are right. Some women are born to be slaves. You're one of them."

"You call those clothes? Yes. I suppose you do. Tells me everything."

"A big belly and no husband? Selfish and stupid. Your child will be the same."

"A whore like you isn't fit to be mother."

"A slut like you is probably full of chaurus eggs. You make me feel nauseous."

"I'll take those weapons. They make you look like a fool."

"Take off that armor. The Jarl has a rule against clowns and jesters."

"What are you carrying all this for? You'll give yourself muscles, ugly girl."

"Get yourself to the tavern if you're going to cavort around like that."

"Ask the innkeeper for work. They'll know what to do with you."

"You think you're a sorceress? Now I remember why I hate magic."

"You leave a trail behind you like a slug. Disgusting."

"Your breath stinks. I've smelled middens sweeter than you."

"I've warned you about those weapons. Stupid, irresponsible girl."

"Let me see your licenses. Yuk. What's this white crust all over them?"

"By all the gods, your filthy ways make me sick. Somebody should punch you."

"Trying to bribe a guard of the watch? Exactly what I'd expect from a harlot with no morals."

"Please, take yourself somewhere where I'll never see or smell you again."

"What is that filth you're covered in? Wait. Don't tell me. I'm going to be sick now."

"We have a place here for magicians. The door locks from the outside."

"Try your filthy spell on me and you'll rot in the cells."

"I've seen what you do with animals. It's not natural."

"Filthy beast fucker. You bring shame to your race."

"This license has expired, like your virtue."

"You know where we keep the cows? Not here. Get back to your field."

"A cow that walks on two legs? I'm surprised you can manage it."

"Do you think those things on your chest are attractive? Abnormal."

"I know why the men fuck your arse. It's the cleanest part of you."

"Don't expect sympathy from me. You deserve worse."

"I think you should apologise to every woman in this town."

"A sneak and a thief. Your sweet talk won't work on me."

"An alchemist? A skooma whore more like."

"Do you always walk that bow legged?"

"Make yourself look respectable girl. There are children in this town."

"If I see you dressed like that again you can show the men in the cells what you look like."

"Don't come the innocent with me. Disgusting."

"They should lock you in a belt and throw away the key."

"Now I've heard you, I know why they invented gags."

"Clean yourself up!"

"You need a strong husband to whip you into shape. Emphasis on whip."

"I'd beat you for that, but you'd probably enjoy it. Revolting."

"If it was up to me you wouldn't be allowed outside."

 

They might be a little ... judgemental. Just like a day at the office!

I might have got a bit carried away.

[Monoman1]

  

7 hours ago, SkyTem said:

Posted a question earlier but you never really answered it.  Didn't know if you had missed it or were too busy answering other people's questions.  Was wondering if in a future update you might add some more sounds when your character got stripped from the various events of this mod?  For example when your character had their worn clothing/armor confiscated by an enforcer it could play a clothes ripping or armor breaking sound "depending on what you were wearing".  What do you guys think?  Would that be another cool feature you would want added or would it be better without any?  I know your busy, was jc.

I don't think it'd fit tbh. If there's a massive ripping sound like in Milk addict or MWA but then you get your stuff back and it's fine would seem really odd to me. I could possibly have MWA destroy your body slot item but that seems really over the top even for SLS. 

3 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

New "hirelings" will have a topic: "I need your help. I'll pay you to follow me." They won't have any special hireling behavior because DF does that anyway.

Sounds good but I have a little reservation. Will these guys use vannila follower factions - PotentialFollowerFaction?

Might not work with the existing system (in SLS at least) if not. 

2 hours ago, AreaGamer said:

Is that correct?

No. You should only get approached when wearing armor in the head/hands/feet/body slots. Try:

Disable the option in the Mcm. Exit the menu and wait 2/3 seconds. Go back in and turn it on again. 

If that doesn't work try 'Player.UnequipAll' in the console. There might be something odd equipped that the mod is picking up on. 

2 hours ago, AreaGamer said:

Then I wanted to ask if you can make your mod a bit more neutral in the dialogues of the guards, so that you can better use the mod

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. If Diverse Guards aren't giving you voiced misogynistic SLS comments it's because they use a different voice type. SLS has voiced guard comments for MaleGuard, NordMaleCommander and FemaleNord. This covers all (I think) vanilla guards. I can't really justify spending more time adding more voice types when the number of people that would experience them is probably going to be very low and because it takes SO much time. I don't have any guards in my game that don't have those voice types so I wouldn't hear them either. If it's just that you like female guards (and I do too) then maybe try Legionettes. It adds FemaleNord type guards to whiterun etc which do have nice dialogue lines.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/10780

37 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

Then create female ones that are "SLS lore friendly" (that's my new phrase, learn to love it).

Great suggestions. But if it's for voiced comments I kind of have to work from the source material to what I can create rather than coming up with what I actually want to have them say and then try and create it. 

Unless it's for unvoiced lines in which case I missed your point. 

[Lupine00]

20 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Sounds good but I have a little reservation. Will these guys use vannila follower factions - PotentialFollowerFaction?

Yes. They will be completely vanilla.

  

20 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Great suggestions. But if it's for voiced comments I kind of have to work from the source material to what I can create rather than coming up with what I actually want to have them say and then try and create it. 

Unless it's for unvoiced lines in which case I missed your point. 

I was just trying to convey a flavor: judgemental, condescending, disgusted, and with just a little trace of well concealed envy.

 

Voiced, unvoiced, I don't really care  

[Monoman1]

In other news. I've managed to create a manual cover key that seems fairly reliable. The basic idea is that if you're naked you can 'cover yourself' by pressing a hotkey if you're hands aren't bound etc. Then I'm thinking that if you are naked and you're not covering yourself when you are:

1. Cat called or

2. Spanked 

Then the amount of DFC resistance deducted is multiplied by, oh I dunno 5 lets say. This would give you a reason to try and cover yourself. 

 

The only problem with this is that the mechanism used to detect whether or not you're covering yourself is kind of 'stateful' and can't be just detected at any one instance - There's no way to know for sure that the cover animation is still playing. That said I seem to have caught most of the vanilla things that will interrupt the animation:

Sprinting, jumping, falling, swimming, drawing weapons, rag dolling, shouting, getting staggered and of course sex. 

 

I could also add a light exhibitionist thing maybe. Increase exhibitionist trait while naked. Increase exhibitionist trait x 5 if not covering yourself. Then maybe if you're an exhibitionist you can no longer cover yourself or something. But I don't know about this one yet. Might not be worth it. 

 

Edit: Oh and I can't seem to get her to uncover herself if the key is pressed again. 

I've tried Debug.SendAnimationEvent IdleStop and PlayIdle IdleStop but doesn't seem to work. Anyone know anything about this?

[WhatRules]

32 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

In other news. I've managed to create a manual cover key that seems fairly reliable. The basic idea is that if you're naked you can 'cover yourself' by pressing a hotkey if you're hands aren't bound etc. Then I'm thinking that if you are naked and you're not covering yourself when you are:

1. Cat called or

2. Spanked 

Then the amount of DFC resistance deducted is multiplied by, oh I dunno 5 lets say. This would give you a reason to try and cover yourself. 

 

The only problem with this is that the mechanism used to detect whether or not you're covering yourself is kind of 'stateful' and can't be just detected at any one instance - There's no way to know for sure that the cover animation is still playing. That said I seem to have caught most of the vanilla things that will interrupt the animation:

Sprinting, jumping, falling, swimming, drawing weapons, rag dolling, shouting, getting staggered and of course sex. 

 

I could also add a light exhibitionist thing maybe. Increase exhibitionist trait while naked. Increase exhibitionist trait x 5 if not covering yourself. Then maybe if you're an exhibitionist you can no longer cover yourself or something. But I don't know about this one yet. Might not be worth it. 

 

Edit: Oh and I can't seem to get her to uncover herself if the key is pressed again. 

I've tried Debug.SendAnimationEvent IdleStop and PlayIdle IdleStop but doesn't seem to work. Anyone know anything about this?

That would be very welcome. The cover animation in DCUR isn't very reliable and you don't always want it to trigger just because you take off your shirt. For me it always triggers in the LAL cell and then it seems to stop working at some point. Maybe I have another mod overriding it.

 

Regarding cover detection, maybe you could apply a spell to the player tied to the animation key? But you would need a very reliable and fast way to remove it, because the last thing you want is for the spell to linger on the character when you're not covering yourself. I don't think having a script running to check it all the time is a good idea. Those are the kind of scripts that tend to cause stutter when there are too many working at once.

 

The exhibitionist trait idea sounds script heavy and I personally don't think it's worth it for such a small feature. The mod is pretty script heavy already isn't it?

[N.Gamma]

51 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

2 hours ago, AreaGamer said:

Then I wanted to ask if you can make your mod a bit more neutral in the dialogues of the guards, so that you can better use the mod

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. If Diverse Guards aren't giving you voiced misogynistic SLS comments it's because they use a different voice type. SLS has voiced guard comments for MaleGuard, NordMaleCommander and FemaleNord. This covers all (I think) vanilla guards. I can't really justify spending more time adding more voice types when the number of people that would experience them is probably going to be very low and because it takes SO much time. I don't have any guards in my game that don't have those voice types so I wouldn't hear them either. If it's just that you like female guards (and I do too) then maybe try Legionettes. It adds FemaleNord type guards to whiterun etc which do have nice dialogue lines.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/10780

 

I don't mean the voices of the female guards, I mean the written dialogues.

 

An example:
A guard is warning me about my armor.
My character's response is then "Yes, sir" or "How about I polish your sword instead?"
And those answers come regardless of whether the guard is female or male.
It seems to me they're designed primarily for male guards.
I may be wrong, since narrow is not my first language.

[Monoman1]

24 minutes ago, saltshade said:

Regarding cover detection, maybe you could apply a spell to the player tied to the animation key? But you would need a very reliable and fast way to remove it, because the last thing you want is for the spell to linger on the character when you're not covering yourself. I don't think having a script running to check it all the time is a good idea. Those are the kind of scripts that tend to cause stutter when there are too many working at once.

It's not running all the time. It's 100% event based at the moment. No script polling. Plus the entire quest is shut off completely when you're not naked. Efficiency is always one of my concerns within the scope of what needs to be done.

There's actually very little script polling in SLS. Toll evasion is probably the worst and again that's shut off when not needed. But I can't think of anything else in SLS that uses script polling that isn't short term. 

26 minutes ago, saltshade said:

The mod is pretty script heavy already isn't it?

Is it? Why do you think that? Because of the number of scripts? That's not a very good indication of 'script heaviness'. I've said this before but I'm pretty sure I could write a single small script to bring your papyrus vm to it's knees. 

[Monoman1]

9 minutes ago, AreaGamer said:

An example:
A guard is warning me about my armor.
My character's response is then "Yes, sir" or "How about I polish your sword instead?"
And those answers come regardless of whether the guard is female or male.
It seems to me they're designed primarily for male guards.
I may be wrong, since narrow is not my first language.

Oh right. Yes you're right. I meant to change that. 

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Edit: Oh and I can't seem to get her to uncover herself if the key is pressed again. 

I've tried Debug.SendAnimationEvent IdleStop and PlayIdle IdleStop but doesn't seem to work. Anyone know anything about this?

Nevermind. Got it. For the record:

Debug.SendAnimationEvent(PlayerRef, "IdleForceDefaultState")

Does the job. It's not exactly smooth but whatever. 

 

So at the moment. Cat calls will reduce DFC resistance by

5 when naked and not covering

2 when naked and is covering

1 in any other state.

 

Seem fair?

[Lupine00]

4 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

In other news. I've managed to create a manual cover key that seems fairly reliable. The basic idea is that if you're naked you can 'cover yourself' by pressing a hotkey if you're hands aren't bound etc. Then I'm thinking that if you are naked and you're not covering yourself when you are:

Does it cause the highly problematic animation override resets that the automatic one does?

 

Cover is completely unusable for me, as it breaks every override animation and regular animation I would rather see than cover, and in some cases the incoherent state that results for the behavior seems to cause CTD too.

 

Things like crawling, surrendering, carrying my basket, eating, washing, all seem to be smashed by the stupid cover animation.

The stiff arms held out in an awkward position to match a character with breasts about 100 times the size of mine also look kind of strange and rigid. I'm not a fan of that animation, either visually (looks awkward) or technically.

 

Gameplay wise, it all sounds interesting, but I fear I won't be able to use any of it.

[Lupine00]

I had a little problem with enforcers.

 

Weapon + bikini license, magic license disabled, not enough mana to cast anything useful.

 

The enforcer in Riverwood complained I was trying to smuggle contraband on my follower.

My follower has real armor, not a bikini, so maybe they meant that.

They didn't remove it though.

 

[Lupine00]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

So at the moment. Cat calls will reduce DFC resistance by

5 when naked and not covering

2 when naked and is covering

1 in any other state.

Is it optional?

 

With those traces in, my game reacts rather slowly to things anyway  

[Monoman1]

35 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

Does it cause the highly problematic animation override resets that the automatic one does?

No idea about this. I did test Defeat surrender there while covering and it played the surrender animation fine. 

SLS doesn't detect that the cover animation stopped though because of course 'IdleSurrender' is not a registerable animation :S

But that doesn't matter a whole lot in the case of defeat since sex is pretty much guaranteed soon after. 

29 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

I had a little problem with enforcers.

 

Weapon + bikini license, magic license disabled, not enough mana to cast anything useful.

 

The enforcer in Riverwood complained I was trying to smuggle contraband on my follower.

My follower has real armor, not a bikini, so maybe they meant that.

They didn't remove it though.

Log file?

28 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

Is it optional?

Probably. 

It's a manual key anyway. But I assume you're talking about the increased resistance loss. I'll see if it can be done. 

  

28 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

With those traces in, my game reacts rather slowly to things anyway

The trace from the modified STA script? You can revert back to vanilla if you wish since we found out what the problem was

[Monoman1]

@Lupine00

BTW I forgot to ask. What is the new DF version detection method?

[Buggzz]

If you turn off licenses I assumed you would be able to carry whatever you want. If that assumption is correct then it seems there is a bug in the current version because guards will always force greet me for "my behaviour".