Devious Devices SE

[APL3]

Hi !

 

First of all, thanks for your work on DD

 

I did run into an issue: no matter DD 5 or DD 4.3, many (not all) devices are invisible. So if a character equips heavy bondage stuff all I see if a floating head.

 

When I run Outfit Studio, I see that DD items have no texture - I see a 3D model, but just have a default texture that says "no image".

 

I didn't see this issue listed in the FAQ, any idea what could be wrong ?

 

To troubleshoot the issue, I tried a very minimal install with only the necessary mods (all the libs, zap, sexlabs, SL, DD, DCL and that's about it), the issue persists.

 

I tried reinstalling an older version as well, using what I remembered to be the way I did last time I tried this mod (and it worked then), with the same result: nothing crashes, no error message, but invisible gear.

[Makarosc]

On 12/20/2020 at 9:03 AM, Elsidia said:

I going through your mod list - check descriptions on mod pages and this isn't easy. At this moment:

 

Possibly conflicts:

A witcher's adventure: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/38626 - add new scripts to game and maybe armor.

Creature framework + jcontainers - made new scripts. Can be conflict.

 

Note: Sissy suit is LE version with HDT support. Can CTD game with this outfit on.

 

 

yeah i know about ss but I haven't had any issues with it so far

 

thank you for being so helpful

[Kimy]

2 hours ago, YojimboRatchet said:

i was under the impression that DD 5.0 would have a new thread for support and downloads, that was separate from 4.3, especially since Contraptions and DD for Him are included in 5.0 whereas they were not in 4.3 for SE. there are people who are still using 4.3, so they also still need support, so how will that work ideally trying to support both versions and differentiating how to provide proper support based on the versions ?

 

would it not be best to separate them now rather than later ?

 

Older versions of DD or any other of my mods are not supported and never have been. Staying with old versions is not recommended. For starters, there are dozens of bugs in DD4.x which got fixed in DD5. I have never and will never backport bugfixes to older/obsolete versions.

[YojimboRatchet]

3 minutes ago, Kimy said:

 

Older versions of DD or any other of my mods are not supported and never have been. Staying with old versions is not recommended. For starters, there are dozens of bugs in DD4.x which got fixed in DD5. I have never and will never backport bugfixes to older/obsolete versions.

never said anything about back porting bug fixes btw..

 

but for various reasons, 4.3 is still being used by many people. and many of those have held off installing DD5 until DCL 9.0 is ready as well. so it makes sense that in the interim to still off support for both versions.

 

until then, 4.3 is certainly not obsolete by any means, especially from a compatibility point of view.  at least  from a  logical perspective. meh.. probably just wasting my time trying to rationalize objectively anyway...

[APL3]

4 hours ago, APL3 said:

Hi !

 

First of all, thanks for your work on DD

 

I did run into an issue: no matter DD 5 or DD 4.3, many (not all) devices are invisible. So if a character equips heavy bondage stuff all I see if a floating head.

 

When I run Outfit Studio, I see that DD items have no texture - I see a 3D model, but just have a default texture that says "no image".

 

I didn't see this issue listed in the FAQ, any idea what could be wrong ?

 

To troubleshoot the issue, I tried a very minimal install with only the necessary mods (all the libs, zap, sexlabs, SL, DD, DCL and that's about it), the issue persists.

 

I tried reinstalling an older version as well, using what I remembered to be the way I did last time I tried this mod (and it worked then), with the same result: nothing crashes, no error message, but invisible gear.

 

It would probably be more clear with some image.

 

Here is the PC where only the head and armbinder visible:

 

 

And here is another character with invisible feet:

 

 

Thanks !

 

(and yes, of course I did run bodyslide)

 

edit:

 

Figured it out - really was a brain fart on my part.

 

When bodyslide asks you for the Skyrim data folder, they really do mean Skyrim "data" folder, not "Skyrin data" folder, so I just did put the root folder.

 

After correcting, everything works perfect

 

I leave my post in case it might help someone else.

[Kimy]

1 hour ago, YojimboRatchet said:

never said anything about back porting bug fixes btw..

 

but for various reasons, 4.3 is still being used by many people. and many of those have held off installing DD5 until DCL 9.0 is ready as well. so it makes sense that in the interim to still off support for both versions.

 

until then, 4.3 is certainly not obsolete by any means, especially from a compatibility point of view.  at least  from a  logical perspective. meh.. probably just wasting my time trying to rationalize objectively anyway...

No, I get it, don't worry. It tends to take a bit of time until all the content mods had a chance to update. In the meantime, people are certainly welcome to keep their existing DD4 installations around. But I am not sure in what way that would require keeping an extra support thread open. I will make no further changes to DD4, so even if people would report issues with DD4, they wouldn't get fixed.

[Makarosc]

On 12/20/2020 at 9:03 AM, Elsidia said:

I going through your mod list - check descriptions on mod pages and this isn't easy. At this moment:

 

Possibly conflicts:

A witcher's adventure: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/38626 - add new scripts to game and maybe armor.

Creature framework + jcontainers - made new scripts. Can be conflict.

 

Note: Sissy suit is LE version with HDT support. Can CTD game with this outfit on.

 

 

ruled out a witcher's journey

[Elsidia]

48 minutes ago, Makarosc said:

ruled out a witcher's journey

and it helps?

[Elsidia]

2 hours ago, APL3 said:

And here is another character with invisible feet:

NPC wear a boots what not build into bodyslide.

 

2 hours ago, APL3 said:

Here is the PC where only the head and armbinder visible:

Player wears a dress what not have build into bodyslide.

 

 

[APL3]

Figured it out - really was a brain fart on my part.

 

When bodyslide asks you for the Skyrim data folder, they really do mean Skyrim "data" folder, not "Skyrin data" folder, so I just did put the root folder.

 

After correcting, everything works perfect

[Makarosc]

1 hour ago, Elsidia said:

and it helps?

a witcher's jouney was not the problem 

 

if I remove creature framework would that fix the scripts or would I have to do it manually

[Elsidia]

16 minutes ago, Makarosc said:

if I remove creature framework would that fix the scripts or would I have to do it manually

If creature framework is guilty then yes, but i don't know if this mod is guilty and can not help... need experiment: remove  suspect mod and check if it works. If not, that mod probably not guilty. Then try next mod. In your list i not see any mod what can be suspect. I can only check other mods install pages and try to guess if this mod modify a scripts... Later can install back removed mod if it's not guilty.

 

[Makarosc]

19 minutes ago, Elsidia said:

If creature framework is guilty then yes, but i don't know if this mod is guilty and can not help... need experiment: remove  suspect mod and check if it works. If not, that mod probably not guilty. Then try next mod. In your list i not see any mod what can be suspect. I can only check other mods install pages and try to guess if this mod modify a scripts... Later can install back removed mod if it's not guilty.

 

alright process of elimination

[zarantha]

 

i was under the impression that DD 5.0 would have a new thread for support and downloads, that was separate from 4.3, especially since Contraptions and DD for Him are included in 5.0 whereas they were not in 4.3 for SE. there are people who are still using 4.3, so they also still need support, so how will that work ideally trying to support both versions and differentiating how to provide proper support based on the versions ?

 

would it not be best to separate them now rather than later ?

There was a new thread for LE, but that was more because there were three mods and now there is one. SE has always had all the mods on the same page, so no need for a new one.

 

[zarantha]

 

I've been having this issue for close to a year now 

 

The items from DD appear in game  but when I equip them it's as if I didn't equip it all I've ran bodyslide I've updated all the mods involved and I've gone through my load order

What DD version are you using? 4.3 or 5.0?

 

Creature Framework should not be the issue, I use that myself.

Are you talking about invisible items, or no prompts when equipping items?

 

Have you looked through this post?

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/99700-devious-devices-se-50-2020-11-26/page/111/?tab=comments#comment-3077930

 

Still, if you've been working on this a while, then you're going to have to bite the bullet and take apart your mods. Uninstall everything except what is required for DD. Then test again.

[Makarosc]

 

What DD version are you using? 4.3 or 5.0?

 

Creature Framework should not be the issue, I use that myself.

Are you talking about invisible items, or no prompts when equipping items?

 

Have you looked through this post?

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/99700-devious-devices-se-50-2020-11-26/page/111/?tab=comments#comment-3077930

 

Still, if you've been working on this a while, then you're going to have to bite the bullet and take apart your mods. Uninstall everything except what is required for DD. Then test again.

5.0

 

i tried disabling all mods except for the dd essentials and nothing changed

 

the issue is that when i equip the items in game they don't show up on my character and my charater is not affected in any way

[YojimboRatchet]

 

so even if people would report issues with DD4, they wouldn't get fixed.

i don't think anyone would expect you to fix anything, but people still have and will have issues. it would not be about fixing anything from a dev point of view, but simple to offer "support" in trying to help them resolve their current issues with existing tools / fixes, which is primarily what the support thread has been for a while now.

[zarantha]

 

5.0

 

i tried disabling all mods except for the dd essentials and nothing changed

 

the issue is that when i equip the items in game they don't show up on my character and my charater is not affected in any way

Ok, invisible devices is something with bodyslide. Since you are running bodyslide and using DD 5.0, make sure you are using the 'DD Framework CBBE SE' or 'DD Framework UUNP' group. That means you either have no groups at all checked in bodyslide or you have the DD group and any others you want to build checked. You should see DD outfits in the outfit drop down named 'DDa - CBBE SE' or 'DDx - CBBE SE', or 'DDa - UUNP' or 'DDx - UUNP'.

 

Next - check where bodyslide is outputting to. Most issues are bodyslide sticking the files somewhere where they can't be used. If you use MO2 and have set up an output folder, look in the meshes folder there and make sure there isn't a second meshes folder. If you're using vortex, I can help less there, but it should be outputting the files to a folder in vortex, or directly into your skyrim folder. You do the same check there, make sure meshes isn't nested in meshes. In bodyslide itself, click settings in the bottom right, then expand advanced and see if there's any location specified. if there is, it should either be an output folder, or your actual skyrim folder.

 

A quick way to spot check if the files are going to the right place is to pick an outfit that's invisible in game, and select it in bodyslide in the outfit drop down. then click on build instead of batch build - that will give you a pop up with the location it's saving the file. Check to  see if it's really there, or if the path is wrong, fix your output in the bodyslide settings.

[Guest]

 

As i heard you use tattoo layers mod. DD hides hands but don't know how to hide tattoo layer from that mod. Disable this mod and try again.

 

Can't confirm this bug - i test with DDX corsets, DCL corsets and DD belts and DCL belts. Ropes not change a corset but draw on corsets as ropes. Looks good. I you can toss me items id what not work i test it in my game too.

Sorry for the extremely late reply, could not play till now. These items are confirmed to have the problem, but I think all corsets and belts are afftected. Maybe something mod order related? I truly don't know.

 

Btw I did manage to fix the mesh issue for latex corsetsuits, but I had to manually change the mesh to better adapt it to the CBBE body. It seems to be working now!

[Skullered]

 

Sorry for the extremely late reply, could not play till now. These items are confirmed to have the problem, but I think all corsets and belts are afftected. Maybe something mod order related? I truly don't know.

Issue with For Him at the moment, I've already addressed it and are waiting for it to be implemented in the next version.

 

[Guest]

 

Issue with For Him at the moment, I've already addressed it and are waiting for it to be implemented in the next version.

 

Completely missed the fix, thank you! Will try the updated esp later.

[JustSomeGuy976]

Hey everybody, so I was trying to download DDSE 5.0 and halfway through the download my browser simply closes. I have no clue what I'm doing wrong, it's probably the most obvious thing ever, but I'm somewhat of a moron, so could someone plese help me out?

[Makarosc]

12 hours ago, JustSomeGuy976 said:

Hey everybody, so I was trying to download DDSE 5.0 and halfway through the download my browser simply closes. I have no clue what I'm doing wrong, it's probably the most obvious thing ever, but I'm somewhat of a moron, so could someone plese help me out?

don't use incognito tab just regular tab and clear history

[Kage777]

Ok, I feel stupid. Once again, its for DD for Him. Looking at it in bodyslide the groups of anything from DDA, DDX alone, DDX CBBE I don't see the custom male preset I built in the preset menu. Like when i click build morphs with the SMMB SOS Physic body with my preset the options are there and checked, But individually trying to do it from Outfit/Body with those options my preset isnt there. So how is it building it? Doesnt it mean if the preset isnt there it obviously not making it??? With SMMb, where you build the bodybuilde my preset is in there. I have the groups checked so I know its not that, Where do I find the presets to add my male one onto those files? Or just edit the thing to have it as an option? I'm curious and confused as to how DD builds the things in first place if it cant find my preset or any male preset in general. I'm checking the files in MO/mods/Caliente and yet those show up blank. When I try to change paths it gives me a fatal error after hitting ok and crashes; ill have to check that out later. Sorry if it doenst make sense; im getting tired and need to sleep soon.

[zarantha]

On 12/23/2020 at 10:38 PM, Kage777 said:

Ok, I feel stupid. Once again, its for DD for Him. Looking at it in bodyslide the groups of anything from DDA, DDX alone, DDX CBBE I don't see the custom male preset I built in the preset menu. Like when i click build morphs with the SMMB SOS Physic body with my preset the options are there and checked, But individually trying to do it from Outfit/Body with those options my preset isnt there. So how is it building it? Doesnt it mean if the preset isnt there it obviously not making it??? With SMMb, where you build the bodybuilde my preset is in there. I have the groups checked so I know its not that, Where do I find the presets to add my male one onto those files? Or just edit the thing to have it as an option? I'm curious and confused as to how DD builds the things in first place if it cant find my preset or any male preset in general. I'm checking the files in MO/mods/Caliente and yet those show up blank. When I try to change paths it gives me a fatal error after hitting ok and crashes; ill have to check that out later. Sorry if it doenst make sense; im getting tired and need to sleep soon.

As far as I know, there is no preset because unless you get the male bodyslide from bodyslide is only for females. By default, there are no bodyslides for males to build.

 

If you want to build your own preset, you'd effectively have to convert all body items, and maybe some (or all) arm/leg items from the male nifs to bodyslide, then create a group. I have no plans to do this myself since it was made for the basic SOS body on LL, and I don't know if anyone on the LE side will do it either. I don't use the male bodyslide, and I don't know what SMMB SOS is. Also, Kimy has stated there is no support bodies other than the most popular - that's CBBE and UNP (not 3BBB, not BHUNP) for females, and vanilla or SOS for males (not SOS variants).

 

Assuming you've converted the male outfits to bodyslide already, all you'd need to do is create the group. If not, then what you're looking at are items for the female body, and i seriously doubt it will switch bodies for you during a batch build. Not without breaking the outfit anyway. To create a group, do one of these options:

• copy the DD Framework group, edit it a text editor, then change the UUNP or CBBE group to the name for your male body that has the preset. Make sure the outfits listed are what you named them when you created the male bodyslide files.
• or use the built in group editor in bodyslide to create the group, again specifying the body that contains your preset. This has the advantage of using a gui to select the outfits that should be in the group.
• or in your preset, add the group, like so:
  <SliderPresets>
      <Preset name="MyPreset" set="body-name-that-you-are-building">
          <Group name="Main"/>
          <Group name="CBBE"/>
          <Group name="DD Framework CBBE SE"/>

 

You should have preset showing up for female bodies.