framework Advanced Animation Framework

[dagobaking]

16 hours ago, HumbleKarp said:

Im currently having what seems to be a similar issue you had so ive been reading through your convo here to see if anything sticks out to me. I will note, be sure youre not blasting large amounts of new mods at once. Put yourself on invisible on steam and do a couple mods at a time. Helps solo out whats causing some issues.  Good idea would be to get a "skip the start" style mod so you can load straight into just checking mods loading up. 

 

I'm not familiar with VCA. What does it involve? Then I can confirm whether or not it would conflict with AAF...

[HumbleKarp]

8 hours ago, dagobaking said:

 

I'm not familiar with VCA. What does it involve? Then I can confirm whether or not it would conflict with AAF...

Im unsure, my problem isnt with that mod as i dont have it. I just seem to have a general issue with one of my mods causing AAF to go into a similar mode of just showing "[AAF] but nothing else, even when the home key is pressed. Also seems to not want to initialize animations. Im still going through a couple mods at a time to see what does it

 

[dagobaking]

16 hours ago, HumbleKarp said:

Im unsure, my problem isnt with that mod as i dont have it. I just seem to have a general issue with one of my mods causing AAF to go into a similar mode of just showing "[AAF] but nothing else, even when the home key is pressed. Also seems to not want to initialize animations. Im still going through a couple mods at a time to see what does it

 

 

For what it's worth, the only mods I remember seeing have a direct conflict with AAF were some of the early UI overhaul mods. They maxed out the resources allocated for UI. So any other UI mods added would cause issues.

 

Beyond that, AAF doesn't really overlap much with other mods. So, issues end up being corrupt saves, performance problems or bad AAF config files (incompatible AAF content mods).

[reconphil]

On 3/4/2025 at 4:33 AM, dagobaking said:

 

Thank you for posting the issue. I will take a look at it and address if possible. Just make sure it isn't some kind of config error, etc. and is a true bug.

 

Please be patient. Going through life chapters I have new obstacles. But, am still going to work on these items when I can. Just need more time.

 

 

Do you believe everything that you read on the internet?

 

The message from FartInTheWind didn't affect anything because it's just a bunch of bullshit from some dude. Never bothered to investigate the actual story, ask those involved about it or any other objective attempt to know what he's talking about.

 

[Seriously, the guy sounds like Wolf Blitzer. "Some very disturbing information..." LOL]

I understand.  I will say, the previous or last version on Nexus works okay, so I expected 1.1.1 to work as well.  I am not in a rush, I understand priorities & life takes precident over a game (especially since you do this free).  When you are able to find/fix the problem I will look for your answer.  The maniquin issue may or may not be AAF, but the AAF Bootleg/Exploit seems obvious.  I've seen the malicious code post, which I find ridiculous.  I've used AAF for years with no malicious issue.  Thanks for your attention.

[Dlinny_Lag]

On 3/4/2025 at 2:33 PM, dagobaking said:

Do you believe everything that you read on the internet?

 

Why should anyone believe to your:

 

On 3/4/2025 at 2:33 PM, dagobaking said:

didn't affect anything because it's just a bunch of bullshit

?

 

It is applicable in both directions.

 

 

I would recommend everyone to use critical thinking and fact-checking. Don't just believe, use brain.

 

 

Edited March 7, 2025 by Dlinny_Lag

[sen4mi]

13 hours ago, Dlinny_Lag said:

 

Why should anyone believe to your:

 

?

 

It is applicable in both directions.

 

 

I would recommend everyone to use critical thinking and fact-checking. Don't just believe, use brain.

 

 

 

That's what I'm doing now (I am taking a break from Fallout 4 while I think through these issues).

 

((I do not like using mods that mod authors do not want me using, but I do like playing the game modded.))

Edited March 7, 2025 by sen4mi

[dagobaking]

On 3/7/2025 at 12:36 AM, Dlinny_Lag said:

 

Why should anyone believe to your:

 

?

 

It is applicable in both directions.

 

 

I would recommend everyone to use critical thinking and fact-checking. Don't just believe, use brain.

 

 

 

Dude. How long are you going to obsess over me?! 😂

 

I notice how you do not refute (with any critical thinking or facts) anything that I wrote in the quote. Because it's the truth. 

 

Also, I already thoroughly answered every question that you have ever brought up. You just didn't like the answers and kept changing your argument. Thus, logically revealing your whole game.

 

It is STILL true that:

 

A) NAF is stolen from AAF.

B) Co-author of NAF Niston was banned from our server for posting underage characters in adult contexts.

 

There is also C, D, E and F. But, I'm sure you will deny those truths as well.

 

For your sake, please go touch some grass!

Edited March 9, 2025 by dagobaking

[dagobaking]

On 3/6/2025 at 9:19 AM, reconphil said:

I understand.  I will say, the previous or last version on Nexus works okay, so I expected 1.1.1 to work as well.  I am not in a rush, I understand priorities & life takes precident over a game (especially since you do this free).  When you are able to find/fix the problem I will look for your answer.  The maniquin issue may or may not be AAF, but the AAF Bootleg/Exploit seems obvious.  I've seen the malicious code post, which I find ridiculous.  I've used AAF for years with no malicious issue.  Thanks for your attention.

 

hrm. not sure if I somehow missed a detail in your post or if it was edited. but, if you are talking about the Bootleg/Exploit issue, that is on purpose and will not be changed until/unless NAF is taken down (or the author stops hiding and allows a court to rule on it either way). It's a copyright protection measure. To resolve it, you just need to remove NAF from your system.

Edited March 9, 2025 by dagobaking

[Dlinny_Lag]

12 hours ago, dagobaking said:

Dude. How long are you going to obsess over me?! 😂

Until you confirm that you broke players game in a favor to disable my and Snapdragon work. 

 

12 hours ago, dagobaking said:

Because it's the truth. 

Of course, not. Do you think that naming it "truth" make it truth?

 

12 hours ago, dagobaking said:

A) NAF is stolen from AAF.

Totally disagree. You never gave any verifyable proof. It is just your fantasy. And I've verified the code of NAF against AAF's code, and do not see anything that can be treated as "stolen".  You just open your mouth without any value.

 

12 hours ago, dagobaking said:

B) Co-author of NAF Niston was banned from our server for posting underage characters in adult contexts.

I have no idea why you mention Niston %) Yet another person you hate bacause of your fantasies?

 

12 hours ago, dagobaking said:

There is also C, D, E and F. But, I'm sure you will deny those truths as well.

It doesn't matter what do you guess. Give me a proof. Fantasy does not count as a proof.

 

 

[Dlinny_Lag]

12 hours ago, dagobaking said:

It's a copyright protection measure.

It is just you opinion. See FAQ

[dagobaking]

8 hours ago, Dlinny_Lag said:

Until you confirm that you broke players game in a favor to disable my and Snapdragon work. 

 

I've publicly confirmed this multiple times and explained the reason to anyone who asks. It's a valid reason. You were caught red-handed as thieves, and there's nothing wrong with putting up barriers against thieves.

 

8 hours ago, Dlinny_Lag said:

 

Of course, not. Do you think that naming it "truth" make it truth?

 

I gave logic and reason for my positions.

 

8 hours ago, Dlinny_Lag said:

 

Totally disagree. You never gave any verifyable proof. It is just your fantasy. And I've verified the code of NAF against AAF's code, and do not see anything that can be treated as "stolen".  You just open your mouth without any value.

 

As I’ve already explained, the publicly available information is more than enough verifiable proof to support my case. When challenged in debate, you backtracked and had to admit that I was correct about how the law works—that it's up to a judge or jury to examine the code AND design to determine if the work is similar enough. Not you. Not Snapdragon. Actual legal authorities who understand (or are informed of) the law.

 

Beyond that, any code you claim to have "verified" is meaningless. You are not qualified to make a legal determination on this—neither is Nexus, LL, your mom, or any other random person who isn’t part of the relevant court of law. And you are certainly not entitled to every piece of technical evidence I would present in court. Why would I hand it over to you? You've made it abundantly clear that even if I showed Snapdragon copy-pasting the entire thing word for word, you’d still find a way to excuse it.

 

8 hours ago, Dlinny_Lag said:

 

I have no idea why you mention Niston %) Yet another person you hate bacause of your fantasies?

 

Because he is a co-author of the project you work with: https://github.com/Deweh/Native-Animation-Framework

 

Now, let everyone take a good look at DLinny:

 

Someone he works closely with is caught posting underage characters in adult contexts, yet he shows zero curiosity about it—just dismisses it outright.

 

In my view, either this fact makes you deeply uncomfortable, or you're complicit in it yourself.

 

8 hours ago, Dlinny_Lag said:

 

It doesn't matter what do you guess. Give me a proof. Fantasy does not count as a proof.

 

 

 

I already have—repeatedly. And as has been explained to you many times, you are not a court or a judge. I’m withholding certain technical details for legal reasons, but the publicly known facts are already more than enough to support my case.

 

And since you claim to value critical thinking and facts, let’s put that to the test:

 

If NAF is truly just an independent project, as you insist, why do you and others keep coming here to harass me about it?

 

Think about it—you got what you wanted. You post work that was copied from me, freely available for anyone to download. So what more do you want from me?

 

Do you need my approval now? My blessing? Why are you lurking on my posts, tracking my every move online?

 

Is it because your copied project has flopped? And if so, is that somehow my fault? Do you need me to step in, offer advice, maybe even contribute some code?

Because from where I’m standing, your relentless badgering only points to one thing: GUILT.

 

 

8 hours ago, Dlinny_Lag said:

It is just you opinion. See FAQ

 

I saw your silly FAQ a long time ago. It's a bunch of nonsense. See the questions I posted up there ^^^.

Edited March 9, 2025 by dagobaking

[Dlinny_Lag]

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

You were caught red-handed as thieves

You are just wasting everyone's time by making useless noise. Your fantasies are not the reality. You've been requested many times to provide the proofs... but it seems the truth is not your goal.

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

I gave logic and reason for my positions.

Statement structured as "it is truth" is not a reason. I don't care about possition, you are trying to substitute the reality with your fantasies.

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

publicly available information is more than enough verifiable proof

Once again. Naming it "truth" doesn't make it truth. How do you think anyone would verify your absent "proofs"?

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

I was correct about how the law works

It doesn't matter are you correct or not when you don't follow laws. You blame people with no proofs and expect punishment. It is not how laws works in modern world.

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

Someone he works closely with is caught posting underage characters in adult contexts

I never heard that niston had any link with underage characters. Maybe you are right, maybe not. But I definitely do not trust you. You already blamed people without evidence and proof. And already tried to destroy reputation of other people because of your fantasies.

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

I already have—repeatedly.

Show it. At least once %)

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

you are not a court or a judge.

 

Correct. I have no power like court to enforce you to follow the laws. It is the difference. But it doesn't mean that I would stay silent when you blaming people with no reason. I would not stay silent when you trying to cancel my work.

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

but the publicly known facts

Show it. I've seen your fantasies only. Not facts.

 

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

Not you.

Why do you think so? I'm quilified enough to do this work. Moreover, I've done it and found that you are wrong when guessing that design of NAF is "similar enough" to AAF.

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

You are not qualified to make a legal determination on this

You may accept it or may not accept it. But I'm qualified enough to make expertise of similarity of the information systems and their parts.

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

neither is Nexus, LL, your mom, or any other random person who isn’t part of the relevant court of law.

As I understand you do not accept anyone as a judge (except judge in a court). I'm ok with that. But why do you think anyone would accept YOU as a judge when you blame people? You are not a court of law, you have no rights to blame and punish people. Isn't it?

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

but the publicly known facts are already more than enough to support my case.

Show it. I do not see "known facts", just your words about their existence.

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

why do you and others keep coming here to harass me about it?

Because you tries to cancel other people. Because you tries to disable other people work. What did you expect? Silent acceptance of your insanity?

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

You post work that was copied from me

Show it. Show everyone a proof. You just started to blame me, with no reason. 

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

So what more do you want from me?

Do you need my approval now? My blessing? Why are you lurking on my posts, tracking my every move online?

Stop lying about "stealing" and allow people to play the game with their preferred set of mods.

I would understand that you may not accept that NAF is not a "copy" of AAF, but what the fuck you blocked people from using my SoAS? Why do you think I would accept this block? 

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

Is it because your copied project has flopped?

What project did I copy? Another attempt to plame people with no proof? Please express yourself more accurately.

 

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

your relentless badgering only points to one thing: GUILT.

Yes, your guilt. Guilt in blaming people with no proof.

 

On 3/10/2025 at 3:58 AM, dagobaking said:

I saw your silly FAQ a long time ago. It's a bunch of nonsense.

Just words, no analysis, no reasons. As usual.

 

Edited May 29, 2025 by Dlinny_Lag

[DoctaSax]

This eternal back & forth needs to stop. I can't even tell what it's supposed to achieve anymore.

 

NAF is available as a replacer of AAF, the NAF bridge allows AAF mods to work with NAF... how is it an inconvenience to any NAF user if AAF doesn't want to work on an install with NAF in it? It just ain't. The post that started this latest flare-up is pointless, and everything after is more of the same.

 

The two sides are never going to agree, so the grown-up thing to do is for each to go to their own corner and stay there.

[cosworth]

1 hour ago, DoctaSax said:

This eternal back & forth needs to stop. I can't even tell what it's supposed to achieve anymore.

 

NAF is available as a replacer of AAF, the NAF bridge allows AAF mods to work with NAF... how is it an inconvenience to any NAF user if AAF doesn't want to work on an install with NAF in it? It just ain't. The post that started this latest flare-up is pointless, and everything after is more of the same.

 

The two sides are never going to agree, so the grown-up thing to do is for each to go to their own corner and stay there.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Thanks mate !👍

[blueninja008]

Hello, I am having an issue with the AAF_V1-1-1.7z version of the file when I launch the game. I am getting a warning/error that says,"*warning*[086] action ID "FF_activity" not found". Recently it has stopped any of the mods from loverslab from working. If there is a recommended fix, please let me know. I have version 0.72 of the F4SE, am on the 1.10.984.0.0 version of Fallout 4, and use Vortex as my mod manager of choice.

Edited March 11, 2025 by blueninja008
Clarifying what I use as mod manager.

[dagobaking]

22 hours ago, DoctaSax said:

This eternal back & forth needs to stop. I can't even tell what it's supposed to achieve anymore.

 

NAF is available as a replacer of AAF, the NAF bridge allows AAF mods to work with NAF... how is it an inconvenience to any NAF user if AAF doesn't want to work on an install with NAF in it? It just ain't. The post that started this latest flare-up is pointless, and everything after is more of the same.

 

The two sides are never going to agree, so the grown-up thing to do is for each to go to their own corner and stay there.

 

Thank you.

 

One side is willing to test the argument in the appropriate place: court. The other just wants to hide from a real test and [try/fail] win support with trolling and propaganda. So, short of any new information, movement on this point, etc. I have just stayed in my corner.

 

It's the numb-nuts from NAF that keep coming here and trolling the thread. I think it's up to LL to make consequences for the people who keep doing that.

Edited March 11, 2025 by dagobaking

[dagobaking]

5 hours ago, blueninja008 said:

Hello, I am having an issue with the AAF_V1-1-1.7z version of the file when I launch the game. I am getting a warning/error that says,"*warning*[086] action ID "FF_activity" not found". Recently it has stopped any of the mods from loverslab from working. If there is a recommended fix, please let me know. I have version 0.72 of the F4SE, am on the 1.10.984.0.0 version of Fallout 4, and use Vortex as my mod manager of choice.

 

This sounds like you have a mod trying to use an FF_activity action. But, its not installed.

[deff.]

Bruh. Instead of working together you are insulting each other...I'm a pretty new here and I really like all LL mods. Yesterday I tried NAF (no offence to AAF creators, I was on AAF about 2 years) and my game became faster and I have less stuttering. FPS increased by 5 (for my mid laptop it's a very good). I don't know who stole/copied/whatever AAF stuff or other things so maybe my demagoguery is not in the place right now.....

[blueninja008]

5 hours ago, dagobaking said:

 

This sounds like you have a mod trying to use an FF_activity action. But, its not installed.

I have fixed the FF_activity issue, but now it says that certain animation times are below the minimum threshold. It says it will introduce padding to prevent skipping animations or to put a pose tag on the animations. Is there any way to edit the animation time lengths or add the pose tag for it?

Edited March 11, 2025 by blueninja008
Original issue fixed, new issue came up.

[Here4SlootyMods]

For anyone who happens to run into the FF_activity issue, the Ultimate AAF Patch has separate .esp's and XML files for Vioxsis Strap-Ons and it creates an FF_activity action that it uses.

 

This action equips (and unequips after the sex ends) the Strap-Ons, so if you get a similar error, make sure to enable the .esp provided by the Ultimate AAF Patch.

 

6 hours ago, deff_lv said:

Bruh. Instead of working together you are insulting each other...I'm a pretty new here and I really like all LL mods. Yesterday I tried NAF (no offence to AAF creators, I was on AAF about 2 years) and my game became faster and I have less stuttering. FPS increased by 5 (for my mid laptop it's a very good). I don't know who stole/copied/whatever AAF stuff or other things so maybe my demagoguery is not in the place right now.....

They used to work together. Take a look at these two notable mentions from 0.171's release notes:

On 7/20/2023 at 7:06 PM, dagobaking said:

## [Beta 171] - 2023-07-18
### Fixed
- Missing animation references in XML causing unpredictable additional issues. Thanks to Dlinny_Lag for troubleshooting and fix ideas. (As a related note: I can't promise that AAF can keep working despite any/all types of XML issues. The best solution is always to fix any XML problems rather than rely on AAF to survive it at run-time.)

 

- Replaced PlayIdle() loop in StartMultipleIdles with single LL_FourPlay.PlayMultipleIdle() calls for synchronized animations (thanks also to snapdragon for work on this issue)

 

I think Dlinny_lag has made their position clear in their posts and of course the creator of NAF is thanked by dagobaking there too.

 

There's a lot to sift through but they split off for a reason.

[reconphil]

On 3/8/2025 at 9:00 PM, dagobaking said:

 

hrm. not sure if I somehow missed a detail in your post or if it was edited. but, if you are talking about the Bootleg/Exploit issue, that is on purpose and will not be changed until/unless NAF is taken down (or the author stops hiding and allows a court to rule on it either way). It's a copyright protection measure. To resolve it, you just need to remove NAF from your system.

Oh, okay.  I hadn't read through the entire thread & missed the NAF reference.  I did see it in passing & removed NAF.  I haven't tried it since.  Thanks, I'll try that & see if it works.

[cyrilstar]

i'd like to get the new AAF but when i click on the discord links they say it's an invalid invite, is there a new one somewhere?

[dagobaking]

6 hours ago, cyrilstar said:

i'd like to get the new AAF but when i click on the discord links they say it's an invalid invite, is there a new one somewhere?

 

I just tested the link and the invite works.

 

Maybe you have a script blocker or something? If you are stuck on the rules page. Just follow the instructions at the end of the rules page and it will open up additional channels where the mod can be found.

[UsernameTaken666]

9 hours ago, cyrilstar said:

i'd like to get the new AAF but when i click on the discord links they say it's an invalid invite, is there a new one somewhere?

Try a different browser?

[scott.gresser@gmail.com]

i cannot accept the invite;  i have no way to dload the file.  please send a working link,  i love ur work.  scoot.gresser@gmail,com