Fallout just isn't Skyrim

[iheartpuddin]

I play both games the same way: Modded beyond recognition and full-on cheat-y. I enjoy the RP elements and story surprises but I don't like being forced to fight, fight, slay, slay, all the time. I use console commands and mods to motor around the open worlds, living whatever weird life I feel like. I have the awesome modders to thank for my continued interest in both games. 

 

It's unfortunate there's so few mods for FO4 compared to Skyrim. I understand that in general this has to do with the core system of FO4 and how difficult it is to make mods that don't completely break parts of the game. A real shame because I adore the feel of FO4, from the STALKER-like Commonwealth to the Cthulhu-esque Far Harbor, and would love to customize the game even more.  

[ToJKa]

On 6/23/2018 at 8:30 PM, Di3sIrae said:

Damn, all i wanted was a centaur

Oh right, the centaurs. "Too hard to animate. Let's just make dogs"  ?

 

So, expect Mass Effect Andromeda -level "aliens" in Starfield. Minus the Architects, of course.

[Di3sIrae]

2 hours ago, ToJKa said:

Oh right, the centaurs. "Too hard to animate. Let's just make dogs"  ?

 

So, expect Mass Effect Andromeda -level "aliens" in Starfield. Minus the Architects, of course.

It was hard enought to animate a dragon, better to keep it simple.
I never played ME:A, but who knows, maybe they got excited for the new game and decided to work hard xD

[Tortex]

One thing that always kind of soured F4 for me over Skyrim (Though I have 800~ hr in F4) was that aesthetically no matter what I did, any character I make in Skyrim is going to look 20x better than F4, regardless of mods used or how long I spend tinkering. Not to mention what a dumpster fire the body mesh deformation is.

[Artful Dodger]

Fell in love with FO4 from the first minutes,it just had absolutely EVERYTHING what i enjoy in games and books,so it's the best game so far for me and i will praise Todd Howard for this forever,period(Oh and of course Horizon+RSE for maximum joy)

 

Today tried Skyrim SE for the first time,first thoughts after ~30 min. play was... very old and boring,first game impressions/minutes is most important right?
And if i failed to like the game in first mins.does it mean i am way to late for this train?
Maybe Skyrim got to old for a today's new player..?

 

Anyway,i envy for Skyrim players,would LOVE to jump to the game with already installed best mods(right now would not know even where to start)

without weeks of researching(with bloodshot eyes and wife which i love a lot constantly telling wtf are you doing by that PC all the time,stop that gaming nonesense,or else...) and see what this game can offer at it's best.
But also afraid that that invested precious time in modding might go to waste if in the end the game still be just ok and not absolutely fantastic.

[batmantis56]

Give it a decade or even half. All the ingredients are there; I suspect it will become a lot more refined. I have absolute respect for the people modding Fallout 4, but the truth is the mods dont stack up, be it scope creep , documentation or whatever. So give them space, give them positive constructive feedback, show interest... and wait. It'll get there. Remember, this is a hobby; not everyone is on patreon. Has been said already, best way is to contribute; wish i had the mind for doing more than simple edits. also consider vault 76 a reprieve for the fallout 4 modding community, f4 will still be getting mod attention for awhile

[Celedhring]

On 6/30/2018 at 8:16 PM, Tortex said:

One thing that always kind of soured F4 for me over Skyrim (Though I have 800~ hr in F4) was that aesthetically no matter what I did, any character I make in Skyrim is going to look 20x better than F4, regardless of mods used or how long I spend tinkering. Not to mention what a dumpster fire the body mesh deformation is.

Seconded.  And Exhibit 1 right here.   Right now FO4 doesn't approach Skyrim for a face like that. 

 

 

[Vuulgar]

I think this is the very reason Beth gave them different names, genius way to eliminate the confusion when people think they are the same.

 

The question is always did you feel you wasted your money?

[cornbreadtm]

I feel like the real difference is the progression, not gameplay but IP.

 

FO4 is honestly the worst Fallout in the series, it looks better but that's it. It's literally just a shooter. Wasteland 2 is basically the continuation of the Fallout franchise at this point.

 

But for Skyrim, it is better than the previous titles. It didn't sacrifice as much even though I personally hate streamlining, example: the perk "tree" system specifically the tree since it forces play styles. It is still an Elder Scrolls game in gameplay and world. Skyrim's combat is the best in the series, the dialog while not nearly as informative as Morrowind still holds up well enough to get you from point A to point B. Exploration is still rewarding, while loot tables were a complaint in comparison to Morrowind, it makes it so that if you go somewhere truly difficult and you cheese out a win that you don't walk away with the most powerful sword in the game at a low level...

 

Basically Skyrim is an improvement over it's predecessors (for the most part) while FO4 is only a visual improvement. FONV is better is all other areas, even combat. Try using something other than a gun and boom FO4 is combat nightmare (just did a full melee playthrough, the game was made without melee in mind) I honestly don't know how this wasn't tested! Nobody thought to not use a gun?! Why have other weapon types then? In NV a powerfist build is actually pretty OP.

 

When it comes to modding people look at what they want to add based on what they want to do in game. FO4 has shitty mods cause people either don't want to play it, just want to take pictures or want to shoot shit. Doesn't matter how long you wait for mods to come out, they wont cause the interest isn't there. I still think it's funny that after 2 years people are still asking for melee mods!

 

Skyrim has literally every mod that you can think of because people actually want to do anything you can think of in game.

 

It feels like 90% of FO4s new area quest mods are in vaults  I thought the point of fallout was to leave the vault?

 

 

[Di3sIrae]

On 7/3/2018 at 3:41 AM, cornbreadtm said:

When it comes to modding people look at what they want to add based on what they want to do in game. FO4 has shitty mods cause people either don't want to play it, just want to take pictures or want to shoot shit. Doesn't matter how long you wait for mods to come out, they wont cause the interest isn't there. I still think it's funny that after 2 years people are still asking for melee mods!

 

Sorry, i am not a FO4 modder but i got offended the same way (not truly lol)

How's that? There are tons of mods for Fo4 that doesn't lose anything in comparison to what we have for skyrim or past games. Combat and gameplay overhauls, new quest mods that are NOT inside vaults. I won't list everything. There's just a lot of interest and lots of good mods, but of course you'll find more for Skyrim, it is older and they released the SE version just after FO4, some people went there to make some so they were a bit divided. What you said is absolutely unfair with all FO4 modders.
I guess the one who doesn't want to play the game is you, sorry xD
Nothing is perfect and we will never have everything the way we want, it is absolutely normal. And i think that medieval fantasy always had more interest than post-apocalyptic, also you can do lots of new things in TES world than in FO world, because in TES anything is possible hehe

[ralfetas]

10 hours ago, Di3sIrae said:

Sorry, i am not a FO4 modder but i got offended the same way (not truly lol)

How's that? There are tons of mods for Fo4 that doesn't lose anything in comparison to what we have for skyrim or past games. Combat and gameplay overhauls, new quest mods that are NOT inside vaults. I won't list everything. There's just a lot of interest and lots of good mods, but of course you'll find more for Skyrim, it is older and they released the SE version just after FO4, some people went there to make some so they were a bit divided. What you said is absolutely unfair with all FO4 modders.
I guess the one who doesn't want to play the game is you, sorry xD
Nothing is perfect and we will never have everything the way we want, it is absolutely normal. And i think that medieval fantasy always had more interest than post-apocalyptic, also you can do lots of new things in TES world than in FO world, because in TES anything is possible hehe

I am a modder, but i don't see me like a modder, i just like to create visual stuff.

 

This comparison is not fair... Skyrim was 32bits, just because of this we could have a LOT of plugins like HDT, the structure of the game is so simple that ENB can fake SSS skin without any problem, they can even make true reflections, all the game is much easier to mod, going to textures to animations, everything is less tricky, you don't need huge amount of knowledge to create a mod for skyrim, and you combine all this with a lore that is just gigantic, you want fire guns? There is a lore for that, plasma? There is a lore there too, so the environment is friendly to anything.

 

In FO4 you have some problems, Boris from ENB is not a big fan, so ENB is good but not so good, they have their own physics engine build-in that no one can play with, and the world and history is pretty simple... combine all this with constant bethesda updates because CC crap, i think is a miracle the F4SE team still get going with all this updates, and you have this, there is not much interest to mod it... Even Boris from ENB said that when Bethesda stop patching the game he could think of more stuff to add in the ENB.

[cornbreadtm]

16 hours ago, Di3sIrae said:

Sorry, i am not a FO4 modder but i got offended the same way (not truly lol)

How's that? There are tons of mods for Fo4 that doesn't lose anything in comparison to what we have for skyrim or past games. Combat and gameplay overhauls, new quest mods that are NOT inside vaults. I won't list everything. There's just a lot of interest and lots of good mods, but of course you'll find more for Skyrim, it is older and they released the SE version just after FO4, some people went there to make some so they were a bit divided. What you said is absolutely unfair with all FO4 modders.
I guess the one who doesn't want to play the game is you, sorry xD
Nothing is perfect and we will never have everything the way we want, it is absolutely normal. And i think that medieval fantasy always had more interest than post-apocalyptic, also you can do lots of new things in TES world than in FO world, because in TES anything is possible hehe

I'm going to be frank. You haven't really said anything here. It feels like you were grasping at straws to defend the game beyond the scope of reality. Of course there are Combat and gameplay overhauls, they don't change the game from a pure shooter with base building to a FO style RPG, so mentioning that doesn't discredit my opinion. Most actually are just changing the survival mode aspect of the game. Don't know why you mentioned quest mods not in vaults when I gave a 10% margin for those.

 

And I have no clue why'd you assume that I wouldn't want to play the game. Just because you can see the flaws in something doesn't mean you just drop it. If I stopped playing every game that I found bugs in we wouldn't even be having this discussion in the first place.

 

After 2 years of release Skyrim modding was as strong as ever and most of the biggest mods were being crafted, you can't say the same for FO4. The biggest mod coming out for FO4 after 2 years is FO4:NV which just proves my point that it's just a pretty skin and that people rather play the previous game with a face lift. Like I said people mod based on interest and the biggest group of FO4 modders went for FO4:NV.

[SavrenX]

As for myself....I play and mod them both. I love them both too. I can't compare them because their interest point really different. With right mods, we can make both game so great. Long time ago i said impossible make good males with fallout because fallout sucks. I don't give fallout chance in my heart. After i love fallout...i can make any mod for males like skyrim. Even with Custom Lod. Now i can't choose between them. Skyrim or Fallout...i love it.

 

My character :

Spoiler

 

My Skyrim

 

My Fallout

 

 

My Lod :
 

Spoiler

 

Skyrim

 

Fallout :

 

 

[Di3sIrae]

You're right on everything, ralfetas. But a modder is a modder, no matter what you made ?

 

There's a lot involved with skyrim modding and FO4 modding, but saying that fo4 mods are shitty because... you don't like them or they are not what you expected? lol
I'm not even defending the game, i am talking about the modding scene. I don't play either Skyrim nor Fo4 vanilla, i don't like both games and i think that one is worse than the other without mods. I'm going to just repeat myself, but everything that i'm reading is absolutely tied to "i like it more". Ralfetas showed the points in which FO4 lacks the interest that Skyrim have, actually.
cornbreadtm, you're saying the same thing that just looking at new mod realeases prove you wrong (people playing for better visuals and etc).

 

I won't insist in this discussion, as i already said, i just thought it absolutely unfair with all FO4 modders, that make the game be great, just like they did with Skyrim once. Again, as usually people think that just because we like to mod a game we like the base game, FO4 is flawed and absolutely lacking content, you're right. But as always, everything have good and bad sides. Most people attack fallout 4 saying that it is not an RPG but a shooter, but the game was made to be like this, not like past fallouts.

Going back to the topic now, no more replies about this, we will just lose our time with useless discussions, sorry for quoting at first. Everyone have their opinions and we must respect them, as well respect the work of others.

[Di3sIrae]

On 7/2/2018 at 12:17 AM, Celedhring said:

Seconded.  And Exhibit 1 right here.   Right now FO4 doesn't approach Skyrim for a face like that. 

 

Hey, for aesthetics, we finally have high poly face and 2K face texture, so now FO4 can have good appearance, nothing like 8K skin tex but still looking very good.
At least i am really satisfied with my character, and with vanilla face sculpting (since it was improved a lot). We really need some ENB improvements, but i don't know if Boris will improve it much anymore (oh, a good SSS...) hehe

[Halstrom]

On ‎7‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 4:41 PM, cornbreadtm said:

I feel like the real difference is the progression, not gameplay but IP.

 

FO4 is honestly the worst Fallout in the series, it looks better but that's it. It's literally just a shooter. Wasteland 2 is basically the continuation of the Fallout franchise at this point.

 

But for Skyrim, it is better than the previous titles. It didn't sacrifice as much even though I personally hate streamlining, example: the perk "tree" system specifically the tree since it forces play styles. It is still an Elder Scrolls game in gameplay and world. Skyrim's combat is the best in the series, the dialog while not nearly as informative as Morrowind still holds up well enough to get you from point A to point B. Exploration is still rewarding, while loot tables were a complaint in comparison to Morrowind, it makes it so that if you go somewhere truly difficult and you cheese out a win that you don't walk away with the most powerful sword in the game at a low level...

 

Basically Skyrim is an improvement over it's predecessors (for the most part) while FO4 is only a visual improvement. FONV is better is all other areas, even combat. Try using something other than a gun and boom FO4 is combat nightmare (just did a full melee playthrough, the game was made without melee in mind) I honestly don't know how this wasn't tested! Nobody thought to not use a gun?! Why have other weapon types then? In NV a powerfist build is actually pretty OP.

 

When it comes to modding people look at what they want to add based on what they want to do in game. FO4 has shitty mods cause people either don't want to play it, just want to take pictures or want to shoot shit. Doesn't matter how long you wait for mods to come out, they wont cause the interest isn't there. I still think it's funny that after 2 years people are still asking for melee mods!

 

Skyrim has literally every mod that you can think of because people actually want to do anything you can think of in game.

 

It feels like 90% of FO4s new area quest mods are in vaults  I thought the point of fallout was to leave the vault?

 

 

Yeah I would have liked the need to use Melee more, for ammo to be scarcer and continually running out and having to swap to a crappy gun or melee weapon sometimes.

21 hours ago, ralfetas said:

I am a modder, but i don't see me like a modder, i just like to create visual stuff.

 

This comparison is not fair... Skyrim was 32bits, just because of this we could have a LOT of plugins like HDT, the structure of the game is so simple that ENB can fake SSS skin without any problem, they can even make true reflections, all the game is much easier to mod, going to textures to animations, everything is less tricky, you don't need huge amount of knowledge to create a mod for skyrim, and you combine all this with a lore that is just gigantic, you want fire guns? There is a lore for that, plasma? There is a lore there too, so the environment is friendly to anything.

 

In FO4 you have some problems, Boris from ENB is not a big fan, so ENB is good but not so good, they have their own physics engine build-in that no one can play with, and the world and history is pretty simple... combine all this with constant bethesda updates because CC crap, i think is a miracle the F4SE team still get going with all this updates, and you have this, there is not much interest to mod it... Even Boris from ENB said that when Bethesda stop patching the game he could think of more stuff to add in the ENB.

Ralfetas, you are a modder just as much as any of the people doing animations, quests or story lines, your outfits inspire people to play and mod. You have skills others don't, I am flat out doing a color change in Paint.NET, I have the utmost respect for people doing Meshes and Textures and value them just as much as any other mod creators.

[Carreau]

1 hour ago, Halstrom said:

 

Ralfetas, you are a modder just as much as any of the people doing animations, quests or story lines, your outfits inspire people to play and mod. You have skills others don't, I am flat out doing a color change in Paint.NET, I have the utmost respect for people doing Meshes and Textures and value them just as much as any other mod creators.

^this. Visual creation is, in my opinion, one of the greatest skills to making mods. I can script, craft systems, create quests, and design dungeons, but I cannot create something new and unique.  To me, being able to create something brand new is a cut above anything one can cobble together in papyrus. 

[ralfetas]

2 hours ago, Halstrom said:

Ralfetas, you are a modder just as much as any of the people doing animations, quests or story lines, your outfits inspire people to play and mod. You have skills others don't, I am flat out doing a color change in Paint.NET, I have the utmost respect for people doing Meshes and Textures and value them just as much as any other mod creators. 

 

41 minutes ago, Carreau said:

^this. Visual creation is, in my opinion, one of the greatest skills to making mods. I can script, craft systems, create quests, and design dungeons, but I cannot create something new and unique.  To me, being able to create something brand new is a cut above anything one can cobble together in papyrus. 

Thanks a lot for this, i said i don't see me as a modder because i see the dedication people have on modding, is amazing, i see SE team for example, Bethesda keep pushing with updates just to add CC stuff and the team is there updating their stuff, and the mods that depend on this, i don't think i would have this dedication, is amazing.

 

But indeed everyone that is making something is somehow a modder, and this is what i love about the community, people look on others skills and look for guidance, like me for example that don't know why every script have those # and * and other stuff that i don't remember on it, i don't know how to correctly edit my enb setting! hahahahaha

 

And just to create some conflict, i think the programmers are the key to modding, i would never manage to create anything without outfit studio or nifskope, the guys and girls with the # and funny symbols start everything

[zax]

Very informative topic. Found interesting related discussion on reddit, what do you think guys?

 

How did Skyrim escape criticism for being a bad RPG, while Fallout 4 couldn't?

[Guest]

On 3/19/2018 at 1:26 PM, Plaguetard said:

So, I keep trying to slowly get away from Skyrim and try Fallout 4... but it is so difficult. I just feel like my 255 Mod tweaked Skyrim is perfect. The mods out there are so refined and well done (Hello SexLab). I like the game itself for Fallout 4, and RSE has some pretty cool functionality... but the animations just don't flow like Skyrim and the mod options aren't as robust. Anyone else having this issue? Anything anyone could recommend to really bring Fallout 4 up to speed I might be missing?

Try this.

 

They said it was impossible. But I did it. Hahahaha fuck you, Bethesda.

 

 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, AnotherUserOff said:

 

Oh Shit... Well Done Sir

Link??

No

 

1. Illegal if shared

 

2. not done

 

3.  No

 

4. Not ever

 

5. Learn to do it yourself if you want it

 

One reason near the top of my list is that if I do release it all the retards on the Internet will come to me saying shit like "oh it's not working" or "you messed up my game" or "when are you gonna do more" or other dumb naggy shit like that.

 

Skyrim's body isn't too different from Fallout 4's but F4 handles body weight much differently than Skyrim does and it's a huge pain in the ass to get it working even a little bit. Converting the armor iteself took an entire afternoon and I took as many shortcuts as I could and it's still not perfect.

 

The Khajiit is the hardest thing I've ever done and it's not even finished. The hands are fucked up, the mouth doesn't move, he doesn't blink, etc.

 

If someone wants to help, then cool but other than that...I'm not gonna do any more than personal projects.

[FauxFurry]

Okay, now that the Fox Race is released, there is one fewer difference between Fallout 4 and Skyrim.

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/34387?tab=files

If it works with the Dick Chicks mod, then it will feel that much more like Skyrim to me.

[Hayleyrose2323]

Illegal if shared? lol. Says anyone who ports something and yet...