Fallout just isn't Skyrim

[oRACLe063]

Honeslty its the lack of animations that did it for me. RSE is amazing but its the same old things over and over again. The modding is more building based in this one, which is awesome. My first play through was all about building Post apocalypse awesomeness, leaving no detail too small unplaced. My current one I'm using Sim Settlements because I wanted a pervy playthrough but with RSE constantly updating (I'm not complaining) I always find myself starting over. Yes I know all about "clean saves" but they never are truly clean and always end up bugging something out later on. Its the animations for me, Skyrim had Anubis, Leito, nibbles and billy to name a few, Shit I needed to use FNIS xtra and the newer Sexlab Animations extender for the boat load I had. Any situation was covered. Its a shame, because the apocalypse is a better setting for debauchery lol  

No I don't know how to do animating so I know I cant complain but what can u do. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, oRACLe063 said:

Honeslty its the lack of animations that did it for me. RSE is amazing but its the same old things over and over again. The modding is more building based in this one, which is awesome. My first play through was all about building Post apocalypse awesomeness, leaving no detail too small unplaced. My current one I'm using Sim Settlements because I wanted a pervy playthrough but with RSE constantly updating (I'm not complaining) I always find myself starting over. Yes I know all about "clean saves" but they never are truly clean and always end up bugging something out later on. Its the animations for me, Skyrim had Anubis, Leito, nibbles and billy to name a few, Shit I needed to use FNIS xtra and the newer Sexlab Animations extender for the boat load I had. Any situation was covered. Its a shame, because the apocalypse is a better setting for debauchery lol  

No I don't know how to do animating so I know I cant complain but what can u do. 

Personally I'm fine with vanilla animations. The running animation is a bit retarded but aside from that they're fine.

[guk]

18 hours ago, RussianPrince said:

https://www.creationkit.com/fallout4/index.php?title=Main_Page

 

Download it from there.

There is only a link to the Bethesda Launcher, with instructions to create a Beth.net account before you can download it.

 

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Download the Bethesda.net Launcher, create a Bethesda.net account and log into the Bethesda.net Launcher. You can install the Creation Kit from the Launcher.

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, guk said:

There is only a link to the Bethesda Launcher, with instructions to create a Beth.net account before you can download it.

 

 

so what's wrong with that? Use a burner account. That's what I did. Once the launcher is installed and the CK is installed, zip up the CK, uninstall the launcher, and unzip the CK. Once the files are on your PC you can do whatever you want with them.

[Ernest Lemmingway]

I keep saying it and have said it since I first played it. FO4 has potential, but it was wasted by BGS rushing the game out for the Xmas 2015 shopping rush when it clearly could have used a lot more time in development. Okay, I thought, mods can help flesh it out. But we had to wait seven months from launch for an unfinished, buggy CK.

 

Okay, maybe now with a CK we can start getting mods. Then BGS introduces BethNet that triggers a wave of mod theft and serious backlash against the company when they drag their feet on taking them down. Just as that's being straightened out, they introduce the CC and even steal existing mods to remake them in inferior forms. Worse still, it breaks the F4SE and other modding tools on a regular basis, greatly slowing down or even halting the production of complex mods that made Oldrim so popular. It's also the reason why Newrim is lacking in the same number of mods but that's for a different topic.

 

It really feels like Bugthesda has finally become openly hostile to modders who don't work for them. Which is a truly idiotic move given that their games live and die by mods. Had they just left modding alone, who knows what FO4 would be like now? Almost certainly more than it is.

[ToJKa]

Yes it is. I shot the pilot off a Vertibird and it kept flying and attacking. Because it's a dragon in disguise

[Ernest Lemmingway]

1 hour ago, ToJKa said:

Yes it is. I shot the pilot off a Vertibird and it kept flying and attacking. Because it's a dragon in disguise

Hehe. That sounds like something Howard and/or Hines would claim to avoid taking responsibility for a blatant bug. "It's not a bug! It's...an Easter Egg! That's it!"

[guk]

On 18.5.2018 at 5:53 PM, Ernest Lemmingway said:

Okay, maybe now with a CK we can start getting mods. Then BGS introduces BethNet that triggers a wave of mod theft and serious backlash against the company when they drag their feet on taking them down. Just as that's being straightened out, they introduce the CC and even steal existing mods to remake them in inferior forms. Worse still, it breaks the F4SE and other modding tools on a regular basis, greatly slowing down or even halting the production of complex mods that made Oldrim so popular. It's also the reason why Newrim is lacking in the same number of mods but that's for a different topic.

 

It really feels like Bugthesda has finally become openly hostile to modders who don't work for them. Which is a truly idiotic move given that their games live and die by mods. Had they just left modding alone, who knows what FO4 would be like now? Almost certainly more than it is.

Console modding and the CC have poisoned the modding scene, not only for FO4. AFAIK Skyrim SE has the same situation as FO4 now, and then they have the nerves to re-release everything for full price again with the VR editions.

 

 

So now you have people whining in every mod thread that it doesn't work in VR, or they downloaded the mod at Beth.net and expect support at the Nexus ("weapon invisible" etc). Where for some magic reason, the mods work for 99% of all classic Nexus-NMM-PC users. In fact it's enough to click on the in-game mod manager one time to break your load order and disable some mods.

 

Next problem is that F4SE and MCM don't exist on consoles, so a lot of modders don't implement either. Which is weird when they don't even own a console. So we're stuck with the shitty holotapes for mod configuration, and F4SE features are not being used at all.

 

Lastly, not being accepted into the CC has driven some mod authors mad - seems like the whole greed/corruption thing still works. Throw money into the equation, and drama is inevitable.

 

 

Honestly, the next Bethesda game being released with all of the above already in place? A complete nightmare, that's what it is.

 

[Ernest Lemmingway]

4 hours ago, guk said:

Honestly, the next Bethesda game being released with all of the above already in place? A complete nightmare, that's what it is.

Which is why I dread the release of "Starfield." It will either renew people's faith in BGS...or be the final nail in the coffin. Likely the latter since things are too far gone already.

[ToJKa]

Well, E3 is coming up. Can't wait to find out what exciting new platform Skyrim will be re-released for next!

[RJLbwb]

What is fallout 4- a motion sickness inducer?

 

I think the real problem of Fallout 4 is it  suffers from the problem of  those"Pro-level" combat mods in Fallout and Skyrim; There is only ONE True Way to play it. Fuck stealth, fuck sniping, just get power armor and automatic weapons, mode it all up and spam bullets at the NPCs. Nothing else is acceptable.

 

 

 

 

[noodles1976]

18 hours ago, RJLbwb said:

I think the real problem of Fallout 4 is it  suffers from the problem of  those"Pro-level" combat mods in Fallout and Skyrim; There is only ONE True Way to play it. Fuck stealth, fuck sniping, just get power armor and automatic weapons, mode it all up and spam bullets at the NPCs. Nothing else is acceptable.

Exactly this ^

 

I played FO4 for quite a while after it released, and I found it too "constrictive". I felt disconnected from the story (talking protagonist), unnecessary missions (base building...there is a reason why this was a mod in the previous games), and power armor power fantasy bullshit. It just felt like "Call of Fallout: Modern Console Game 4". Kind of wish I hadn't played it as long as I did so I could get a refund from Steam.

 

There could be a plethora of mods that make the game amazing, but if I'm not invested in the core of the game, I'm not going to care about playing it. Hell, I didn't even bother to finish the game before uninstalling it.

[W1cked]

Welp, even Fallout isn't even Fallout anymore. So why even try and compare apples to pears ?

 

Anyway, Skyrim and Fallout 4 are both their own thing and that's great. There's a plethora of modders/mods for both games. There's a lot of ways to make either one more enjoyable to you and if that's not enough. Who cares ?

 

People like what they like, same goes for Modders and everyone else. So, yeah - It is what it is.

 

I'll just boot up my NV for the 9000th time. F4 could've been so great... *sigh*

[ANGRYWOLVERINE]

On 3/19/2018 at 1:26 PM, Plaguetard said:

So, I keep trying to slowly get away from Skyrim and try Fallout 4... but it is so difficult. I just feel like my 255 Mod tweaked Skyrim is perfect. The mods out there are so refined and well done (Hello SexLab). I like the game itself for Fallout 4, and RSE has some pretty cool functionality... but the animations just don't flow like Skyrim and the mod options aren't as robust. Anyone else having this issue? Anything anyone could recommend to really bring Fallout 4 up to speed I might be missing?

 

[Bruce Banner]

I used to really enjoy playing Skyrim ( I have about 1300 hours + on record ) but now it feels archaic compared to Fallout 4 . When you have both games on very high settings and plemty of graphics mods for each then Fallout 4 kicks Skyrim to the kerb graphically . It's also far , far more stable than Oldrim was which could crash just because it felt like it on any given day . Plus after playing with a voiced protagonist now and the feeling of immersion that brings and how it makes your character come to life the lifeless mute of Skyrim feels old fashioned . I also prefer the psuedo-real world setting of Fallout ( although the 50's crap can get annoying so I have a fair few mods with more modern clothing and modern texture mods for food and drinks etc ) to the fire breathing dragon , dungeon and castle setting of Skyrim . So , to sum up , I now much prefer Fallout 4 to Skyrim .

[guk]

BTW there also is one fundamental difference between the communities in Skyrim / FO4.

 

 

Most of you may have noticed that Fallout is a very sharp parody of the "dark side" of the american dream. Militarism, consumerism, ecocide, bigotry, and so on. They even spelled it out in the intro movie, that the blind consumption of resources led to World War 3 (in their parallel reality, mind you). So Fallout is clearly a political game, with a very modern and liberal analysis of the daily madness we live in, and the potential future that might lay ahead if we don't change a few things ASAP.

 

Skyrim in turn is entirely apolitical; the story and conflicts are 100% fictional and arbitrary fantasy material. Dragon-god wants to destroy the world, and "the gods" send a messiah (you) to save it. Yawn.

At best you can make out some racist and nationalist zeal among the Stormcloak rebellion, though this also turns out to be more of a loyalty issue based on the Thalmor dominance (a conflict which remains unsolved in the game anyways).

 

 

So Fallout should attract a lot more intelligent people, who are able to reflect and criticize.. right?

Well, unfortunately - no.

 

If you look through the mod comments, the game seems to be full of right-wing hillbillies. So the people that Fallout is actually making fun of.

"Hey i'm a gun instructor, you have that reload animation wrong!!1"... same like all the mods making your characters look like straight out of Call of Duty, or like a Blackwater mercenary who probably just killed some kids in Iraq.

 

 

Just noticed this poster on the side of the AWKCR ammo bench, which looks like one of those NRA ads hanging in every US gun shop:

 

 

[Ernest Lemmingway]

Part of the reason that Bugthesda FO titles attract right-wingers is because of how seriously the games takes themselves. Look at the content of the original titles by Interplay, even FONV, and you'll find games that openly poke fun at everything. Now look at the content of FO3 and 4; they sound like paranoid anti-establishmentarian conspiracy theories with humor so dull and halfhearted it's too easy to miss. The sort of content that would attract survivalists, isolationists, and others who hate and fear the US government (not entirely without merit, I'll admit). They even included an FO version of archconservative, super-right-wing demagogue Rush Limbaugh in FO3, the President of the Enclave.

 

Those aren't the kind of people who would recognize the mirror of parody.

[guk]

FO4 actually has the "preppers" covered as a parody (a movement which emerged from the brown cesspit of alt-rights, neonazis and like-minded people).

 

Wayne Gorski and his cabin.

 

 

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Gorski was a self-taught explosives expert, patriot and survivalist that owned a property in the wilderness south of Concord pre-War.

Following the recent installation of an innocuous electrical pylon tower, this outdoorsman accused the federal government of building the installation to house a "mind control device" designed to manipulate the free-thinking people of the United States. Mr. Gorski took it upon himself to destroy this eyesore, located right outside the front porch of his home. He used his knowledge of explosives to attempt to construct a homemade atomic bomb using parts from a mini nuke and barrels of nuclear waste he had somehow acquired.

?

[Ernest Lemmingway]

Except that Wayne tends to fall flat as a parody. Just like every other attempt at humor. He's completely uninspired and there was so much more they could have done to flesh out the joke besides putting components for a mini-nuke and a holotape with his manifesto in the room. In fact he reminds me more of the Unabomber. Jokes should stand out, not be completely lost in the background. Where's the raw satire? The blatant farce? The Monty Python-esque silliness that made the non-Bugthesda-produced Fallout titles' Easter Eggs so funny?

 

Humor so subtle as to be easily overlooked--or just plain dull--isn't exclusive to FO4 in Bugthesda titles, but it does really does stand out compared even to FO3.

[FauxFurry]

On 5/11/2018 at 2:50 PM, Blaze69 said:

This soo much. At this point, the only thing that keeps me playing Skyrim (and would keep me playing Oblivion if I could make it work ) is beast races.

 

There's humans in every single other game available ever, so the fact that I can play as a Khajiit or Argonian or any other mod-added beast race is what makes Elder Scrolls games interesting for me. Of course the (Morrowind/Kirkbride) lore could make it interesting as well without the need for them, but since Beth has catered to the "lame generic LOTR-ish fantasy" crowd as well as dumbing down stuff pretty hard, furries are all that remain for me now.

 

Compare that to Fallout New Vegas, where while the gameplay is kinda crappy (gotta have some of the worst shooter mechanics I've seen), the story is good enough to make it all worth it. If only FO4 was anything close to it story-wise, I could still play through it, but noooo, they had to go for this crap. It was so bad I stopped playing after only 2-3 hours and never came back, not even to play the DLCs when they came out (got it for console with the Season Pack as a combo deal) even though I paid for them.

 

At least if there were any (mod-added) anthro races, it could be worth playing again on PC, but so far the only one I know of is the Vulpine Race and it's still being worked on with no ETA on the release. Oh, well.

 

/rant

The S'Lanter. Sounded like a really good idea and would have loved to see the end result if they had actually implemented it .

If highly moddable classic turn-based RPGs appeal to you, you could try your hand at Divinity: Original Sin 2 which has a playable Lizard race. Much like the Elder Scrolls series up to Oblivion, being part of a beast-race can disable or enable certain quests and modify NPC behavior either positively or negatively.

[guk]

3 hours ago, Ernest Lemmingway said:

Except that Wayne tends to fall flat as a parody. Just like every other attempt at humor. He's completely uninspired and there was so much more they could have done to flesh out the joke besides putting components for a mini-nuke and a holotape with his manifesto in the room. In fact he reminds me more of the Unabomber. Jokes should stand out, not be completely lost in the background. Where's the raw satire? The blatant farce? The Monty Python-esque silliness that made the non-Bugthesda-produced Fallout titles' Easter Eggs so funny?

 

Humor so subtle as to be easily overlooked--or just plain dull--isn't exclusive to FO4 in Bugthesda titles, but it does really does stand out compared even to FO3.

 

 

[Halstrom]

7 hours ago, guk said:

BTW there also is one fundamental difference between the communities in Skyrim / FO4.

 

 

Most of you may have noticed that Fallout is a very sharp parody of the "dark side" of the american dream. Militarism, consumerism, ecocide, bigotry, and so on. They even spelled it out in the intro movie, that the blind consumption of resources led to World War 3 (in their parallel reality, mind you). So Fallout is clearly a political game, with a very modern and liberal analysis of the daily madness we live in, and the potential future that might lay ahead if we don't change a few things ASAP.

 

Skyrim in turn is entirely apolitical; the story and conflicts are 100% fictional and arbitrary fantasy material. Dragon-god wants to destroy the world, and "the gods" send a messiah (you) to save it. Yawn.

At best you can make out some racist and nationalist zeal among the Stormcloak rebellion, though this also turns out to be more of a loyalty issue based on the Thalmor dominance (a conflict which remains unsolved in the game anyways).

 

 

So Fallout should attract a lot more intelligent people, who are able to reflect and criticize.. right?

Well, unfortunately - no.

 

If you look through the mod comments, the game seems to be full of right-wing hillbillies. So the people that Fallout is actually making fun of.

"Hey i'm a gun instructor, you have that reload animation wrong!!1"... same like all the mods making your characters look like straight out of Call of Duty, or like a Blackwater mercenary who probably just killed some kids in Iraq.

 

 

Just noticed this poster on the side of the AWKCR ammo bench, which looks like one of those NRA ads hanging in every US gun shop:

 

 

Wow just seeing that NRA propaganda poster makes me want to uninstall that mod, I've never looked that close at it before. I think that modder was the infantile threw a spat and took that mod down for a day screwing hundreds of other mods dependant on it. Just so it could protest of not being able to download the creation kit from Beth to enter their contest. Beth ignored it, and someone else sorted it, it turned out it was a problem with its end not Beths……. It even blocked my main account and others from downloading it for calling it out.

But you may have also noticed Lord of the Rings and other Medieval style fantasy isn't as much of a thing for us "Hillbillies" as Blade Runner and Apocalyse now etc

[Ernest Lemmingway]

That encounter with the Mr. Gutsy isn't what I'd call humorous. Juvenile, an example of poor writing, an insult to my intelligence, but not humorous. I actually have the same complaint with every Bugthesda game, come to think of it.

[RJLbwb]

22 hours ago, guk said:

BTW there also is one fundamental difference between the communities in Skyrim / FO4.

 

 

Most of you may have noticed that Fallout is a very sharp parody of the "dark side" of the american dream. Militarism, consumerism, ecocide, bigotry, and so on. They even spelled it out in the intro movie, that the blind consumption of resources led to World War 3 (in their parallel reality, mind you). So Fallout is clearly a political game, with a very modern and liberal analysis of the daily madness we live in, and the potential future that might lay ahead if we don't change a few things ASAP. 

 

Skyrim in turn is entirely apolitical; the story and conflicts are 100% fictional and arbitrary fantasy material. Dragon-god wants to destroy the world, and "the gods" send a messiah (you) to save it. Yawn.

At best you can make out some racist and nationalist zeal among the Stormcloak rebellion, though this also turns out to be more of a loyalty issue based on the Thalmor dominance (a conflict which remains unsolved in the game anyways).

 

 

So Fallout should attract a lot more intelligent people, who are able to reflect and criticize.. right?

Well, unfortunately - no.

 

If you look through the mod comments, the game seems to be full of right-wing hillbillies. So the people that Fallout is actually making fun of.

"Hey i'm a gun instructor, you have that reload animation wrong!!1"... same like all the mods making your characters look like straight out of Call of Duty, or like a Blackwater mercenary who probably just killed some kids in Iraq.

 

 

Just noticed this poster on the side of the AWKCR ammo bench, which looks like one of those NRA ads hanging in every US gun shop:

 

 

 

That's because the big Ryandian Libertarian magazine Reason officially  blessed Fallout as an Official Ryandian Libertarian  game.  I am not sure how they see stumbling around the radioactive corpse of the American is fantastic because The Mouchers can't keep you down and you get all the guns and drugs you want.  I suppose they RP this is after the end of Atlas Shrugs and the Creators are going to rebuild.  Still, it seems to be further proof irony is dead now.

 

To bad the Fallout Devs didn't have the snark in them to have wasterlanders scream out "Second Amendment Rights!" when they are threatening you.

 

Skyrim gets that Blinding By The Right player thing too - the number of people who think Ulfric dream of ethnically cleansing Skyrim is an awesome idea even though at the point in the history of Tamerial it's likely every Nord has a mixed heritage,

 

[guk]

21 hours ago, Halstrom said:

Wow just seeing that NRA propaganda poster makes me want to uninstall that mod, I've never looked that close at it before. I think that modder was the infantile threw a spat and took that mod down for a day screwing hundreds of other mods dependant on it. Just so it could protest of not being able to download the creation kit from Beth to enter their contest. Beth ignored it, and someone else sorted it, it turned out it was a problem with its end not Beths……. It even blocked my main account and others from downloading it for calling it out.

But you may have also noticed Lord of the Rings and other Medieval style fantasy isn't as much of a thing for us "Hillbillies" as Blade Runner and Apocalyse now etc

Well that workbench is actually credited with 4-5 different authors (visible in the description ingame), and i don't want to necessarily imply any bad intentions or political agenda behind it. However, at very minimum it shows that the right-wing lobby brainwash seems to be working, if such a poster is accepted as something normal among the non-extremist majority of society.

And i definitely can't see any tongue-in-cheek factor here.

 

21 hours ago, Ernest Lemmingway said:

That encounter with the Mr. Gutsy isn't what I'd call humorous. Juvenile, an example of poor writing, an insult to my intelligence, but not humorous. I actually have the same complaint with every Bugthesda game, come to think of it.

Yeah man we get, it's alright. Some people are just so high and mighty in their arrogance that they want to hate everyone and everything.

Perhaps you should just make your own game with nothing but Monthy Python slapstick, then you finally have a game with humor that doesn't insult your intelligence.

 

5 hours ago, RJLbwb said:

That's because the big Ryandian Libertarian magazine Reason officially  blessed Fallout as an Official Ryandian Libertarian  game.  I am not sure how they see stumbling around the radioactive corpse of the American is fantastic because The Mouchers can't keep you down and you get all the guns and drugs you want.  I suppose they RP this is after the end of Atlas Shrugs and the Creators are going to rebuild.  Still, it seems to be further proof irony is dead now.

 

To bad the Fallout Devs didn't have the snark in them to have wasterlanders scream out "Second Amendment Rights!" when they are threatening you.

 

Skyrim gets that Blinding By The Right player thing too - the number of people who think Ulfric dream of ethnically cleansing Skyrim is an awesome idea even though at the point in the history of Tamerial it's likely every Nord has a mixed heritage,

 

That's definitely new to me, and absolutely disgusting.

 

But when you think about it - take the Bible for example, where the old and new testament are entirely contradicting each other. The "old" god who murders every being on the planet because the faith isn't strong enough (Noah's Ark), compared to the "new" god who sends his son to spread the message of love & peace & happiness for all.

Everyone gets to pick something that suits their agenda, from peaceful hippie communes to the genociding crusaders and conquistadores. Seems to be working with a game like Fallout as well.