Devious Followers (8 June 2019)

[BigOnes69]

13 hours ago, Corsec said:

Does anyone know if DF will be compatible with Nether's Follower Framework, found here- https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/92194

 

It seems like an interesting mod because it's explicitly designed to be as compatible as possible. It has the functionality from EFF without the conflicts with DF that need patches (among other EFF issues like unintentional follower nudity). I checked the plugins and there were no conflicts. However, this doesn't tell if there will be conflicts in the scripted stuff. So if there's no conflicts in the plugins, how likely are there to be other incompatibilities? Since DF works by inserting into regular follower dialogue, I'm assuming that it should be OK?

 

Here's what the author has to say about incompatibilities. I don't see any obvious conflict here with DF-

 

Not compatible with:
- Any multi-follower framework mods (AFT, EFF, UFO and similar).
- Any mods that directly affect the recruitment of Blades.
- Not compatible with mods that teach spells by trading books with Followers.
- Not compatible with Better Stealth AI for Followers (NFF does have some similar features)
- May conflict with any mod that enforces the following game settings: fFollowSpaceBetweenFollowers, iFriendHitCombatAllowed, fCombatTeammateFollowRadiusBase, fCombatTeammateFollowRadiusMin, fAIDistanceTeammateDrawWeapon, fFastWalkInterpolationBetweenWalkAndRun, fJogInterpolationBetweenWalkAndRun.

Potential Conflicts:
- Mods that enhance follower combat AI will likely override this mod. This affects the Healer Role and Combat Distances.
- Mods that affect how followers travel with the player will likely override this mod. This affects Follow Distance. moving out of the way, Sandboxing, Stealth movement.

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Also, the Nether installer has an option to do install some scripts that replace the base dialogue scripts. The installer says this-

 

"Replaces all the Recruit, Dismiss, Wait and Follow scripts in the Vanilla game along with Dawnguard and Dragonborn DLC. This option does significantly increase installation time with NMM (Recommended that you use this option if you have issues dismissing/recruiting followers, Overrides 108 scripts)"

 

I don't know if this will be compatible. It doesn't conflict with scripts in the DF install.

 

 

I am currently using it in combination with Nethers. I have had no conflict with dialogue but I limit DF deals and devices. I use it along with xdff and put extreme limits on devices in order to make outside source adventures playable. The only conflict with conversations is when you get enslaved through DF is that asking for punishment line disappears but that is a problem from a different source then Nethers. With MO I put Nethers lower in the install order and load order. I forgot what script configuration I used on install for its been some time.

[Lupine00]

13 hours ago, Corsec said:

Does anyone know if DF will be compatible with Nether's Follower Framework, found here- https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/92194

Some have used it OK.

NFF is not good though. It tells a good story on its front page...

 

I made the mistake of looking at the source.

 

Nope. Not running that.

 

It's a retrograde step from EFF IMHO.

[BigOnes69]

3 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Some have used it OK.

NFF is not good though. It tells a good story on its front page...

 

I made the mistake of looking at the source.

 

Nope. Not running that.

 

It's a retrograde step from EFF IMHO.

What in source do you not like? What problems would that cause?

[Lupine00]

30 minutes ago, BigOnes69 said:

What in source do you not like? What problems would that cause?

Spaghetti code, not even a basic grasp of data-types, stuff that looks like a cut+paste of old UFO code, bad performance choices, lack of clarity or maintainability that likely hides many, many bugs that will only increase as it ages rather than tailing off.

[Lozeak]

So yea loooonnnngg time... things been happening and well yea currently there is no way for me to continue w/ the mod at this present moment in time. Not because of anything bad but cause well I'm in a relationship and for now, you know my focus on these kind of things are diverted and all.

 

This could change ONE DAY but for now I'm out! As always feel free to steal and use my mod however you wish, just keep it open source/free please x. 

 

I'll attach a file w/ some of the stuff I was working on but erg... it's incomplete and parts of the mod are disable to test, it has the beginning of the humiliation system that was meant to balance the willpower stuff. IT 100% NOT USABLE IN A NORMAL GAME

Devious Followers WIP.7z

[donttouchmethere]

30 minutes ago, Lozeak said:

I'm in a relationship and for now

Gz to your real life devious follower! ?

Enjoy while it lasts ?

(the way you write about it sounds rather pessimistic ?)

 

Luckily for us you leave a working and fun mod behind (a real keeper in my setups)

[Hex Bolt]

48 minutes ago, Lozeak said:

I'm in a relationship and for now, you know my focus on these kind of things are diverted and all.

Good for you, Lozeak!  Thank you for all that you've given us.

[Lozeak]

8 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

Gz to your real life devious follower! ?

Enjoy while it lasts ?

(the way you write about it sounds rather pessimistic ?)

 

Luckily for us you leave a working and fun mod behind (a real keeper in my setups)

 

Nothing last forever and seeing it that way makes you make the most of every moment. To thing I'm riding off into the sunset now would be dumb and stupid and just leave me open to getting my world shattered considering I'd say it's early days.

I'm not saying this is how people should see things, it's more just how I am, that said I feel that they love that I can be passionate about the most unimportant and dumb things because I try to appericate every moment knowing it won't be there forever.

 

8 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Good for you, Lozeak!  Thank you for all that you've given us.

 

For as much as I gave, I have been given.

The feeling people like the things I made or the feelings I try to express is amazing (even if it's porn!)

The feeling that I guess people listen to me is ❤️

I suppose though it's the fact when I am me and people enjoy and like it, really helps and gave me the inspiration to just be me more ... honestly, making this mod and the community has been amazing.

 

I also couldn't wright a list of people here that meant a lot to me because I WOULD MISS PEOPLE OUT!!!! and that's not fair but basically anyone that posted here or talked with me cause they wanted to express them self or thank me.

 

That said, I don't want to say goodbye or promise I'll be back but kinda just say thanks ... I have to go do some stuff maybe I'll bbl. THANK YOU ALL!!!!  

[Reesewow]

1 hour ago, Lozeak said:

That said, I don't want to say goodbye or promise I'll be back but kinda just say thanks ... I have to go do some stuff maybe I'll bbl. THANK YOU ALL!!!!  

Many thanks to you - you've given a lot of people a lot of fun sexy entertainment in Skyrim, plus it's been really enjoyable to just chat about the mod in this thread.

 

Enjoy whatever you do, and we appreciate you sharing the fruits of that enjoyment freely. 

[Lupine00]

18 hours ago, Lozeak said:

This could change ONE DAY but for now I'm out! As always feel free to steal and use my mod however you wish, just keep it open source/free please x. 

 

I'll attach a file w/ some of the stuff I was working on but erg... it's incomplete and parts of the mod are disable to test, it has the beginning of the humiliation system that was meant to balance the willpower stuff. IT 100% NOT USABLE IN A NORMAL GAME

Thanks for updating us. It's great to know that you are enjoying life, and also much appreciated that we have some certainty on where DF is headed, even if that means it's not headed anywhere at all - at least we know.

 

There's certainly plenty to do in the world beyond play Skyrim. Good to hear that you're doing it.

I will miss your great creative instincts. DF was - and is - a great mod because you made it fun.

 

It's still some of the most fun I've had in Skyrim.

 

And of course, I'll selfishly miss getting to play free stuff that you made.

Feel free to come back and make more of that any time, but you don't owe us anything. 

In a way I think it's good news if you don't come back, because it means you still have better stuff to do than this  

 

Also thanks for leaving DF open for people to maintain. Because of that it will certainly continue in some form for a while yet.

 

 

I was actually planning to ask about releasing my private version as a bug-fix option for people while waiting for your next release.

So I guess that's answered now...

[Lupine00]

You can find my bug-fix update here:

 

 

[Corsec]

Does the (non-modular) bondage deal affect the PC inventory? Whenever I pick up food or potions they don't show up in my PCs inventory. It also won't work if I add food/potions with the console. I can pick up everything else (weapons, armor, books etc) and it goes into my inventory as usual. It turns back to normal when I pay off the bondage deal. However it doesn't happen again if I make the bondage deal again.

 

If it is a bug, could it be from using DD version 4.3a?

 

If it's intentional, then are there any MCM options to control it or turn it back to normal?

 

 

 

[Lupine00]

7 hours ago, Corsec said:

Whenever I pick up food or potions they don't show up in my PCs inventory.

That's regular DD gag behaviour.

If you have a ring gag, it might not happen, but for ball and panel gags (that aren't unplugged) food and drink is removed to stop you using it.

 

I have some opinions on this approach, but it is what it is. DF is not doing it.

Unplugged panel gag and most ring gags should allow food and drink. Some ring gags are (I think) set up wrong and disallow anyway.

[Corsec]

9 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

That's regular DD gag behaviour.

If you have a ring gag, it might not happen, but for ball and panel gags (that aren't unplugged) food and drink is removed to stop you using it.

 

I have some opinions on this approach, but it is what it is. DF is not doing it.

Unplugged panel gag and most ring gags should allow food and drink. Some ring gags are (I think) set up wrong and disallow anyway.

 

I did not know that. That is good to know. Ah well, it's easily fixed by swapping out the gags.

 

Thanks again, you're always super helpful.

[ibsinglo]

I think I missed or didn’t understand something, but the mod is only followers using devices on the player but it can’t be done the other way around

[Hex Bolt]

4 hours ago, ibsinglo said:

I think I missed or didn’t understand something, but the mod is only followers using devices on the player but it can’t be done the other way around

Correct.  The follower will place devices on the player but not vice versa. 

 

"Follower will now expect to be paid....  Failure to do this will lead to you have to make deals or being forced to make them and lead into to you being a slave until you clear your debt."

 

The mod is now being maintained as Devious Followers - Continued.

[ibsinglo]

19 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Correct.  The follower will place devices on the player but not vice versa. 

 

"Follower will now expect to be paid....  Failure to do this will lead to you have to make deals or being forced to make them and lead into to you being a slave until you clear your debt."

 

The mod is now being maintained as Devious Followers - Continued.

thank you, I’ll get to taste it

[trogladour]

Hi there,

 

first of all I love the idea of this mod and I want to thank you for creating it!

 

i have it installed and my follower will say the line “let’s go, you better not cheat me etc...”

 

she sayS the phrase regularly and on an interval. 
 

nothing else has occurred. Do I need to troubleshoot? Or is the mod progressing as planned? 
 

thank you again! 

[legraf]

20 minutes ago, trogladour said:

Hi there,

 

first of all I love the idea of this mod and I want to thank you for creating it!

 

i have it installed and my follower will say the line “let’s go, you better not cheat me etc...”

 

she sayS the phrase regularly and on an interval. 
 

nothing else has occurred. Do I need to troubleshoot? Or is the mod progressing as planned? 
 

thank you again! 

trogladour, although this version of Devious Followers usually works, it is no longer being updated, and when it isn't working properly (which in your case, it isn't), there is little chance of a fix, here.

 

You should head over to Devious Followers Continued for an updated version with many bug fixes and more active support.

[A Little Kitten]

56 minutes ago, trogladour said:

Hi there,

 

first of all I love the idea of this mod and I want to thank you for creating it!

 

i have it installed and my follower will say the line “let’s go, you better not cheat me etc...”

 

she sayS the phrase regularly and on an interval. 
 

nothing else has occurred. Do I need to troubleshoot? Or is the mod progressing as planned? 
 

thank you again! 

" you better not cheat me " she only should said that once, as you hire her. Not even once after if im correct.
Try hiring her again. until you have the option make a deal, play a game or similiar dialogues, then you still havent hired her.
I you are not supposed to hire follower through the vanila dialogue. that might be your problem i guess

[Lupine00]

7 hours ago, trogladour said:

nothing else has occurred. Do I need to troubleshoot? Or is the mod progressing as planned? 

It's not starting properly.

After the follower speaks, what options are there when you speak to them?

Can you ask about your debt?

Do you see [Click Me]?

 

Are you using a follower framework?

 

What version of DF do you have?

[trogladour]

Hi everyone,

 

Thank you for the replies.  

 

I installed the Devious Followers Legraf suggested.   I also dismissed and rehired a follower.  They follow me as planned and simply begin repeating the phrase. 

 

I am using modded followers.  Would you know of any created followers that are actually attractive that would fit into the framework?  Or is there a means by which I can check this myself? 

[trogladour]

Well I've done a few wipes and re-ups and I still have the same issue.  I wonder what I can do? 

[trogladour]

On 1/20/2020 at 2:29 AM, Lupine00 said:

It's not starting properly.

After the follower speaks, what options are there when you speak to them?

Can you ask about your debt?

Do you see [Click Me]?

 

Are you using a follower framework?

 

What version of DF do you have?

Nothing occurs, she just keeps repeating it.  I have options to make them wait or leave.  Nothing about debt or a {click me}.  I'm using the version mentioned above in legraf's post. 

"Devious Followers Continued"

[Lupine00]

3 hours ago, trogladour said:

Nothing occurs, she just keeps repeating it.  I have options to make them wait or leave.  Nothing about debt or a {click me}.  I'm using the version mentioned above in legraf's post. 

"Devious Followers Continued"

You're probably on the wrong forum then  

 

Also the *exact* version matters. The version number.

And what follower framework.

And what mod manager.

 

And what is in your log file.

 

But given you have started multiple new games with a problem, it's almost certain a mod in your LO has messed with the vanilla DialogueFollower quest so that DFC's copy of it breaks and doesn't load any of its properties.