Devious Followers (8 June 2019)

[Zaflis]

15 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

I've fixed my own version of them, in the way I want them fixed, and I suggest you just do the same.

I don't know how to do that yet. If it's just bugfix part you should post it and it's not just me who would benefit from it.

[Lupine00]

2 hours ago, Zaflis said:

I don't know how to do that yet. If it's just bugfix part you should post it and it's not just me who would benefit from it.

It's an edited ESP. I don't think there are any script changes, though I don't recall with certainty.

 

It's not a one-size fits all solution though. There are oddities, such as added dialogs that inform me when I have a stuck scene, and the scene in-checks are simply deleted from all the dialog checks, so they don't block your follower dialog. This might, in some cases allow a DF game to run when another scene is in progress, but it suited me to have it that way.

 

Anyway, those who feel like it can try it. I'll post it later.

[Zaflis]

1 hour ago, Lupine00 said:

It's an edited ESP. I don't think there are any script changes, though I don't recall with certainty.

With TES5Edit you can copy several objects to a new mod without altering original data. Then your changes will still work even if the main mod updates. I just haven't done any changes like that when it comes to DD restraints and i certainly haven't built any scripts in CK ever.

[Lupine00]

52 minutes ago, Zaflis said:

With TES5Edit you can copy several objects to a new mod without altering original data. Then your changes will still work even if the main mod updates. I just haven't done any changes like that when it comes to DD restraints and i certainly haven't built any scripts in CK ever.

I know, but probably can't be bothered. You need to look in the CK to see if the changes are still the right ones anyway.

Here is my alternative ESP for anyone that wants to try it.

DeviousFollowers modified ESP for 203a.7z

 

Fixes the game and outfit contention issues I'm aware of.

Adds a dialog that warns you that you have a stuck scene.

Removes scene checks from all dialog, including dialogs that begin games.

Fixes some dialog typos and cleans up some lines that I originally wrote as split that ended up used in places that don't allow a split.

Significant dialog clean up for potion quest.

Changes some events that were intended for "towns" to also include inn interiors (probably not all though).

[Zaflis]

On 8/9/2019 at 6:59 PM, Lupine00 said:

Here is my alternative ESP for anyone that wants to try it. ...

Some issues with this (unless they come from main mod?); i bought out from bondage deal (boots, corset, gag) and those were removed from me. Then she complains that my hands must be bound, but it was never part of existing deals, and i don't have anything in inventory that i could bind hands with. She was saying that line during the deal too but it went away after equipping all the 3 items.

3 deals ongoing still are: slut, bear, dragon. Maybe i should just cheat gold and reset them all.

.. I found a less cheaty way to solve it. Loaded game to before i bought first deal off and changed MCM settings. Base deal removal cost was too high and duration too short so changed those, then bought all deals off.

[Lupine00]

17 hours ago, Zaflis said:

Some issues with this (unless they come from main mod?); i bought out from bondage deal (boots, corset, gag) and those were removed from me. Then she complains that my hands must be bound, but it was never part of existing deals, and i don't have anything in inventory that i could bind hands with. She was saying that line during the deal too but it went away after equipping all the 3 items.

Demands would probably not be generated by my edits. Demands (such as hands must be bound) would likely come from the existing DF behaviour.

 

I'll have a lot at this if I remember, just to check, but the majority of my changes stop dialog showing when it shouldn't (add extra conditions), rather than cause it to show.

The only changes to seeing things more often are where I extended town locations to include inn interiors.

[griffinpyros]

So, I'm having an odd issue with Devious Followers. I had been playing up to L20 and been in submission to Marcurio for the longest time. I paid off all the debts cause I needed to take him out of the party for a bit. took a week off of the game and today I picked it up again. Went and got him again, ran through a dungeon and for some reason when I take deals from him now, he's not giving me any of the gear. Even when I use the option to specifically give me gear and add debt. So I tried seeing if it was just those deals and took as many deals as I could. I must have takes 20 or more and the only thing he gave me were the skimpy armours and a pony girl tail. I even tried moving DF to the top of the load order and the bottom and nothing, so I tried using the debug and reset him and still nothing.

 

I'm not sure if you have the time, but if we could possibly do a screen share via discord or something, possibly hash out why it's happening?

 

Edit: Ok, after a lot of messing around I managed to get it working, but it took a reinstall. I'm just glad it's working again.

[Lupine00]

13 hours ago, griffinpyros said:

So, I'm having an odd issue with Devious Followers. I had been playing up to L20 and been in submission to Marcurio for the longest time. I paid off all the debts cause I needed to take him out of the party for a bit. took a week off of the game and today I picked it up again. Went and got him again, ran through a dungeon and for some reason when I take deals from him now, he's not giving me any of the gear. Even when I use the option to specifically give me gear and add debt. So I tried seeing if it was just those deals and took as many deals as I could. I must have takes 20 or more and the only thing he gave me were the skimpy armours and a pony girl tail. I even tried moving DF to the top of the load order and the bottom and nothing, so I tried using the debug and reset him and still nothing.

Two things can happen here:

 

1) Marcurio is a hireling, and they have some issues in DF, and it's by no means obvious why.

 

2) Sometimes scripts get killed in Skyrim and stop mods from working properly.

 

I would say "Try the Debug menu and the Reset option, then add debt and take deals to fix your situation to close to how you think it should be."

But you tried it.

 

Don't move mods in your LO once your game is started, it can cause problems. In some cases serious ones.

 

Sounds like your game is broken. Make a new game. Put DF as late in your LO as you can reasonably manage.

Remove any mods that are screwing up your game, like Wet & Cold.

 

Look at the front page for the mod SexLab Sex Slaves ... why? ... because it has a good list of mods that screw up your game there.

 

If you really want to save your game, try removing DF, make a clean save. Then clean the save (I don't really believe in save cleaning, but if you have nothing to lose, you can give it a shot). Then re-add DF, at the very end (last item) of your LO. 

[Sucker343]

I am supposed to load devious followers after eff dialog or before? 

[Lupine00]

11 hours ago, Sucker343 said:

I am supposed to load devious followers after eff dialog or before? 

After

[jaden55555]

THis mod is great, but I am confused about what is supposed to happen if I exceed the debt treshold after being enslaved.

In MCM it says, highly punishing consequences, and indeed, it was a nightmare to make it out of the falmer dungeon alive. 

Done, found my spouse who unlocked all my devices, and... now what happens?

THe guards tell me "hey, I know you" but I can't talk to them, and they just keep repeating it, like if I had a bounty on me but they don't arrest me. The MCM shows that I still have deals active but I have no more follower with me, the one who dumped me in the pit was Iona and she's now waiting in the house, with just standard dialogue available... what is actually supposed to happen after you're "discarded" by your angry follower and make it out of the sightless pit??

Cheers

[Lupine00]

2 hours ago, jaden55555 said:

THe guards tell me "hey, I know you" but I can't talk to them, and they just keep repeating it, like if I had a bounty on me but they don't arrest me. The MCM shows that I still have deals active but I have no more follower with me, the one who dumped me in the pit was Iona and she's now waiting in the house, with just standard dialogue available... what is actually supposed to happen after you're "discarded" by your angry follower and make it out of the sightless pit??

You are supposed to have a high bounty, which should make guards attack on sight.

You should have to surrender to them and pay the bounty or serve prison time to clear it.

 

It sounds like the factions are messed up in your game so guards aren't working properly.

This may, or may not be something DF caused.

If you have other mods messing with your crime system and factions, all bets are off.

[gurdilhfkk]

1 hour ago, Lupine00 said:

You are supposed to have a high bounty, which should make guards attack on sight.

You should have to surrender to them and pay the bounty or serve prison time to clear it.

 

It sounds like the factions are messed up in your game so guards aren't working properly.

This may, or may not be something DF caused.

If you have other mods messing with your crime system and factions, all bets are off.

I have encountered this bug too. I'm pretty sure that DCL 8.3 is guilty.

[Sospice]

5 hours ago, jaden55555 said:

THis mod is great, but I am confused about what is supposed to happen if I exceed the debt treshold after being enslaved.

In MCM it says, highly punishing consequences, and indeed, it was a nightmare to make it out of the falmer dungeon alive. 

Done, found my spouse who unlocked all my devices, and... now what happens?

THe guards tell me "hey, I know you" but I can't talk to them, and they just keep repeating it, like if I had a bounty on me but they don't arrest me. The MCM shows that I still have deals active but I have no more follower with me, the one who dumped me in the pit was Iona and she's now waiting in the house, with just standard dialogue available... what is actually supposed to happen after you're "discarded" by your angry follower and make it out of the sightless pit??

Cheers

The 'hey I know you' low bounty "bug" issue where you can't resolve it by getting a pay bounty dialogue has been around for a while (separate from this mod). You should be able to commit a crime and increase the bounty to trigger additional dialogues. That didn't always work for me so I'd end up  manually clearing my bounty for the particular hold in the console. 

Sometimes, I'd commit a greater crime (like attacking a guard) and pay off the bounty, and I'd still get "hey I know you".  That's when you just reset in console. 

https://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/535150948611219565/

[jaden55555]

2 hours ago, gurdilhfkk said:

I have encountered this bug too. I'm pretty sure that DCL 8.3 is guilty.

Indeed, I have DCL ant its prison system is altered. Is there any way to make the mods coexist? 

[jaden55555]

10 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

You are supposed to have a high bounty, which should make guards attack on sight.

You should have to surrender to them and pay the bounty or serve prison time to clear it.

 

It sounds like the factions are messed up in your game so guards aren't working properly.

This may, or may not be something DF caused.

If you have other mods messing with your crime system and factions, all bets are off.

I tried a new game without any mod installed that could affect the prison system. 

I quickly tried the slavery, then being dumped by the follower by artificially increasing the debt in the MCM menu.

It still didn't work with guards, even though it's a clean new game without any (I believe) prison-system interfering mod.

Does it require a low willpower for the guard to trigger the dialogue?

[griffinpyros]

Thankyou Lupine. I'll see what I can do to fix that. I'm hoping that list of bad mods will help as I've his a bad area in the game and can't fix it. I'm essentially stuck in Ivarstead. Can't travel away on foot, can't fast travel, can't enter the ruins without the game crashing. I even cleaned out my data folder and installed all my mods again with no luck. I'm going to have a look over that list and hopefully something will give. I've stripped Skyrim down as far as I can of mods that I can do without and its feeling pretty empty. My choices were Devious Followers or Captured Dreams, but I have similar problems with both. (Not installed at the same time, but both equally have similar issues.)

 

 

Edit: Alright, went through the lists given and the only thing that looked like it might be an issue was Creature Features. I had More Nasty Critters installed since there was an option for creature content through Devious Followers. I can't recall ever encountering that through my playthrough however. I removed that cluster of mods on a clean install and the problem still persisted. I may have to go to my previous request and ask that we look over my game through screen share if you're willing.

[Hanshurtig11]

On 8/17/2019 at 12:10 PM, gurdilhfkk said:

I have encountered this bug too. I'm pretty sure that DCL 8.3 is guilty.

Yes, i have this sometimes too and have it a long time allready, if i remember right, mostly while gagged. Allways had the feeling it comes with DCL.

[griffinpyros]

Ok, been bashing away at this for a while and best I can tell, it's nothing to do with Devious Followers or Captured Dreams. I'm almost certain it has something to do with the thrtee core Devious Devices mods, but I have no idea what it could be.

[Sucker343]

How to end potion quest?

[HexBolt8]

32 minutes ago, Sucker343 said:

How to end potion quest?

It doesn't end.  It's the price you pay for clearing all your deals.  If a deal seems too good, especially from a devious follower, there's going to be catch.  You'll have to keep returning to your follower from now on. 

[Sucker343]

35 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

It doesn't end.  It's the price you pay for clearing all your deals.  If a deal seems too good, especially from a devious follower, there's going to be catch.  You'll have to keep returning to your follower from now on. 

that need is too frequent for me and no way to modify it also mod it is little bugged, 'Master?' and 'about my deals' comment simply disappear and does not come back.  

 

[darktej]

12 minutes ago, Sucker343 said:

that need is too frequent for me and no way to modify it also mod it is little bugged, 'Master?' and 'about my deals' comment simply disappear and does not come back.  

 

As far as I know...your deals disappear once you start the potion quest.

[HexBolt8]

40 minutes ago, Sucker343 said:

that need is too frequent for me and no way to modify it also mod it is little bugged, 'Master?' and 'about my deals' comment simply disappear and does not come back.  

 

28 minutes ago, darktej said:

As far as I know...your deals disappear once you start the potion quest.

 

Right.  It's not a bug.  The potion deal is the One Deal To Rule Them All.  Accepting it makes you permanently dependent on the devious follower.  Now your follower owns you, and no longer needs to offer you deals to gain control.  Your follower controls your life now.  The deals all lead to gradually being owned.  I believe there's a line somewhere about "the person I tricked into being a slave".  With this deal, the follower wins the game. 

 

If you could complain about the frequency to your master, you'd probably get "A deal's a deal".  There is a benefit -- your previous deals were cleared and you don't have to worry about deals any more.  You just have to keep your master close now. 

[Sucker343]

52 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

 

 

Right.  It's not a bug.  The potion deal is the One Deal To Rule Them All.  Accepting it makes you permanently dependent on the devious follower.  Now your follower owns you, and no longer needs to offer you deals to gain control.  Your follower controls your life now.  The deals all lead to gradually being owned.  I believe there's a line somewhere about "the person I tricked into being a slave".  With this deal, the follower wins the game. 

 

If you could complain about the frequency to your master, you'd probably get "A deal's a deal".  There is a benefit -- your previous deals were cleared and you don't have to worry about deals any more.  You just have to keep your master close now. 

Deal option is not gone for me and gold is still bring deduct. but those options were vanishing before the potion quest and is here after it but it just vanish from time to time. Also without the need of deals it looses what I like most about this mod. it has become just porn show.