Relationship Dialogue System (03/10/2021)

[Guffel]

33 minutes ago, AxeMEMES said:

alrighty... do you happen to know if theres a SE port of this mod?

 

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/1059-sexlab-stats-manipulator/

 

if so could you send me the link?

no I don't... I neighter use this mod nor do I play in SE

[AxeMEMES]

2 hours ago, Guffel said:

no I don't... I neighter use this mod nor do I play in SE

hold up.... than how the heck is this version of the mod working for me?

[Guffel]

On 9/1/2019 at 5:28 AM, AxeMEMES said:

hold up.... than how the heck is this version of the mod working for me?

don't worry, once it's working I'll port it over to SE.

[AxeMEMES]

sounds like a plan.

[MyNameIsnt]

Do you have any plans for persistent NPC history? For example, if someone catches you cheating and they blackmail you, is that a one time event or will they be able to approach the player afterwards again? I'd imagine several NPCs would love to have some kind of leverage above the PC and I can't imagine they'd just let the PC off the hook if they comply once. I think it would be rather neat to try to avoid NPCs that have tried to blackmail you in towns because you don't want to deal with them again.

[Guffel]

13 hours ago, MyNameIsnt said:

Do you have any plans for persistent NPC history? For example, if someone catches you cheating and they blackmail you, is that a one time event or will they be able to approach the player afterwards again? I'd imagine several NPCs would love to have some kind of leverage above the PC and I can't imagine they'd just let the PC off the hook if they comply once. I think it would be rather neat to try to avoid NPCs that have tried to blackmail you in towns because you don't want to deal with them again.

I haven't fleshed out the blackmailing quest yet, but I had the idea to make a random chance for the NPC to drop the blackmail everytime the player does what he asked (that might not always be sex, sometimes gold, gems or even to kill someone (i guess I'll start simple and add more over time) ).

But I want to give multiple options to solve the quest, like killing or intimidating the blackmailer, telling the guards (you might to be friends with on of them or thane), or confessing to your boy- or girlfriend (this might result in very diffrent reactions, your partner might break up, forgive you, shame you or even tell you that you deserve to be blackmailed, all depenting on the partner personality and traits).

So this quest, like all special scenes, will be rather complex and will add special dialogue options for other NPCs. But they will take some time, the next update will only focus on the generic dialogue tree and everyting connected with that. Once that works I'll make the actual relationship quest (including moving in togehter, in-relationship dialogue, going on adventures together, the partner getting into jail or inviting guests over, ect.) so you can get a partner and after that everything else will follow.

 

But it's good that you mention the idea of avoiding a NPC. I like the idea and have to make that possible inside the code, otherwise the NPC would always find the player without the possebility to hide.

[Guffel]

QUESTION: I just had an idea for a player emotion AI system that would track the mood of the pc depending of what is happening.

 

I just wanted to ask if there's interest for that there^^

 

I wouldn't make it too complex, just the six basic emotions maybe less. Speaking to friendly people or having consensual sex would make the PC happy. Staying too long in the same place could make him bored. Being insulted would make first sad and then angry. Also being attacked makes angry. Rape could make afraid and afterwards drift to sad.

 

Something like this. It would only give a little line in the corner of the screen that says how the pc feels right now, now buffs or debuffs. It could maybe influence the dialogue option in rds.

 

What do you think?

[Nevi_]

1 hour ago, Guffel said:

QUESTION: I just had an idea for a player emotion AI system that would track the mood of the pc depending of what is happening.

 

I just wanted to ask if there's interest for that there^^

 

I wouldn't make it too complex, just the six basic emotions maybe less. Speaking to friendly people or having consensual sex would make the PC happy. Staying too long in the same place could make him bored. Being insulted would make first sad and then angry. Also being attacked makes angry. Rape could make afraid and afterwards drift to sad.

 

Something like this. It would only give a little line in the corner of the screen that says how the pc feels right now, now buffs or debuffs. It could maybe influence the dialogue option in rds.

 

What do you think?

If it's going to have some gameplay effects (arousal gains/losses, different reactions to npc dialogues), then probably yes. Otherwise, it seems better to leave it to the player to decide how their character reacts to certain situations. That's what dialog options are for after all.

 

I would advice you to not overcomplicate the system and only add things that are necessary for it to work as intended, but you do you.

[shunter]

2 hours ago, Guffel said:

QUESTION: I just had an idea for a player emotion AI system that would track the mood of the pc depending of what is happening.

 

I just wanted to ask if there's interest for that there^^

 

I wouldn't make it too complex, just the six basic emotions maybe less. Speaking to friendly people or having consensual sex would make the PC happy. Staying too long in the same place could make him bored. Being insulted would make first sad and then angry. Also being attacked makes angry. Rape could make afraid and afterwards drift to sad.

 

Something like this. It would only give a little line in the corner of the screen that says how the pc feels right now, now buffs or debuffs. It could maybe influence the dialogue option in rds.

 

What do you think?

 

That would be pretty cool. A few suggestions; something like "happy - less likely to get upset from perverted comments from NPCs, more likely to cheer NPCs she/he talks to (assuming the mood system extends to NPCs)", "sad - very likely to get upset from seduction attempts (or maybe just remove sex related dialogue tree period when your character has this mood)", "upset - likely to also upset other people when trying to talk to them, making them not talk to her/him for X hours (or something like that), unable to seduce or be seduced)", and "angry - character is a lot more likely to upset other NPC, and has a chance to offend someone SO BADLY they call the guard on you (just kidding, or maybe not, who knows lol)".

Maybe even make your character emote. For instance, if it reaches the "sad" mood, it has a chance to start playing a 'crying' animation (while not in combat or when there are no enemies nearby).

 

Something as simple as increasing or decreasing stats (speechcraft, sneak, etc.) is fine too, but there are so many mods out there that do exactly this that it'd kinda make it redundant, in my opinion.

[MyNameIsnt]

4 hours ago, Guffel said:

QUESTION: I just had an idea for a player emotion AI system that would track the mood of the pc depending of what is happening.

 

I just wanted to ask if there's interest for that there^^

 

I wouldn't make it too complex, just the six basic emotions maybe less. Speaking to friendly people or having consensual sex would make the PC happy. Staying too long in the same place could make him bored. Being insulted would make first sad and then angry. Also being attacked makes angry. Rape could make afraid and afterwards drift to sad.

 

Something like this. It would only give a little line in the corner of the screen that says how the pc feels right now, now buffs or debuffs. It could maybe influence the dialogue option in rds.

 

What do you think?

Honestly I think most people would be happy with the basic functionality of the mod before new things are added. New additions are always welcome but I fear that over-ambition is what kills a lot of modders' drives.

[DayTri]

On 9/6/2019 at 8:11 PM, Guffel said:

QUESTION: I just had an idea for a player emotion AI system that would track the mood of the pc depending of what is happening.

 

I just wanted to ask if there's interest for that there^^

 

I wouldn't make it too complex, just the six basic emotions maybe less. Speaking to friendly people or having consensual sex would make the PC happy. Staying too long in the same place could make him bored. Being insulted would make first sad and then angry. Also being attacked makes angry. Rape could make afraid and afterwards drift to sad.

 

Something like this. It would only give a little line in the corner of the screen that says how the pc feels right now, now buffs or debuffs. It could maybe influence the dialogue option in rds.

 

What do you think?

I think usually players prefer to control their own character "emotions" rather than let the game do it, but it could be a good optional system.

 

 

[Guffel]

Thank you for giving me your opinions! I decided to put the mood system off for now. I realized that I have enough work on my hands already and I want to finish the basic mod first and then add on over time.

 

I am making good progress and started to put in the final dialogue. To everyone who did some proofreading a few posts ago, I could use all corrected versions now. And thanks for helping me out! ?

 

Spoiler

 

 

After this step I only have to tie everything together and do some playtesting. The first major update is comming closer!  ?

 

[user9120975435]

This mod sounds like what I was looking for!

 

Does it play well with Relationship Dialogue Overhaul or do they conflict?

 

Also, can I make suggestions? Like in Skooma Whore the PC should be mistreated for whoring like run out of towns, shamed, arrested, things like that.

 

If she is seen wearing fetish stuff, like pony girl gear from SLUTS that could also be something to negatively affect her and for NPCs to dislike her - if she pretends to be ponygirl then she would be assumed to play mare in other ways as well... PC forced to actually do that as kind of humiliation.

 

Traders refusing to trade with her if she's got a bad reputation or demanding demeaning stuff before they do trade.

 

Invitations to drink (from future plans) that then end up with PC drunk and raped. Maybe mugged as well.

 

On 9/7/2019 at 2:11 AM, Guffel said:

 Rape could make afraid and afterwards drift to sad.

 

Honestly, I wouldn't mind some kind of depression or mindbreak for too many rapes. More in way of physical gameplay effects than spells or debuffs. Speech changes, inability to fight or say no to sex demands.

 

Also, will the next update (whenever it comes) demand a clean save? Is there any point for me to install and play the current version or should I wait for the next update?

 

 

Lastly, how far along are you in the next update to fulfilling the " Future Plans: *NEW* (22.01.2019) " from Original Post? Cause I'm looking forward to that stuff very much!

 

For " Track player sexual reputation from innocent to abominable, separate in each hold" the mod Sexual Fame is already doing that and it was built as a Framework, so other mods (like this one) can use it's functionality.

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/2455-sex-lab-sexual-fame-framework/

[Guffel]

1 hour ago, user9120975435 said:

This mod sounds like what I was looking for!

You're welcome ?

 

1 hour ago, user9120975435 said:

Does it play well with Relationship Dialogue Overhaul or do they conflict?

No, not at all. These two mods only sound similar, but are completly diffrent on a technical level. ?

 

1 hour ago, user9120975435 said:

Also, can I make suggestions? Like in Skooma Whore the PC should be mistreated for whoring like run out of towns, shamed, arrested, things like that.

 

If she is seen wearing fetish stuff, like pony girl gear from SLUTS that could also be something to negatively affect her and for NPCs to dislike her - if she pretends to be ponygirl then she would be assumed to play mare in other ways as well... PC forced to actually do that as kind of humiliation.

 

Traders refusing to trade with her if she's got a bad reputation or demanding demeaning stuff before they do trade.

 

Invitations to drink (from future plans) that then end up with PC drunk and raped. Maybe mugged as well.

I'm always open for suggestions!

 

Slut-shaming is definatly planned. I didn't think of arresting or chasing away, but I like the sound of it^^

 

Fetish stuff is not integrated. There is an option to flag body-slot outfits as "prude", "reavealing", "slutty" or "naked". That in return affects NPC arousal during dialogue.

But shaming or degrading comments when wearing "slutty" clothing should also be a thing!

 

1 hour ago, user9120975435 said:

Honestly, I wouldn't mind some kind of depression or mindbreak for too many rapes. More in way of physical gameplay effects than spells or debuffs. Speech changes, inability to fight or say no to sex demands.

I'll put that at the end of my list. If I do something like this, it will come after everything else.

 

2 hours ago, user9120975435 said:

Also, will the next update (whenever it comes) demand a clean save? Is there any point for me to install and play the current version or should I wait for the next update?

 

 

Lastly, how far along are you in the next update to fulfilling the " Future Plans: *NEW* (22.01.2019) " from Original Post? Cause I'm looking forward to that stuff very much!

You should wait if you can. The new version will be basically a diffrent mod, some much has been altered. If you install the new version on top of the old one, even with a clean save, I expect conflicts. But it will still take at least two weeks.

 

The Future Plans have already been expanded by some points. I still want to make a full list, but it became so much by now that I'll have to take a close look at everyting to write it together.

But the complete plans will come in three parts. The next update will only contain the main RDS dialogue (which is the main and only feature of the current version). The rest follows afterwards.

 

2 hours ago, user9120975435 said:

For " Track player sexual reputation from innocent to abominable, separate in each hold" the mod Sexual Fame is already doing that and it was built as a Framework, so other mods (like this one) can use it's functionality.

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/2455-sex-lab-sexual-fame-framework/

I whis I new of that mod earlier^^ Now I already wrote my own tracking system. But I'll still have a look into it. Thanks for letting me know!

 

[user9120975435]

3 hours ago, Guffel said:

 

You should wait if you can. The new version will be basically a diffrent mod, some much has been altered. If you install the new version on top of the old one, even with a clean save, I expect conflicts. But it will still take at least two weeks.

 

No worries. :) I tested it briefly and saw it had no real dialogues at first glance, so I'll definitely wait for new version which sounds amazing btw.

 

 

[donttouchmethere]

3 hours ago, Guffel said:

I whis I new of that mod earlier^^ Now I already wrote my own tracking system. But I'll still have a look into it. Thanks for letting me know!

awesome =D

[DayTri]

After not playing with this mod for months, I am putting it back in my load order now.

 

...it means the new version will come out and force me to restart, right?

[Guffel]

4 hours ago, DayTri said:

After not playing with this mod for months, I am putting it back in my load order now.

 

...it means the new version will come out and force me to restart, right?

Basically yes, but the next update will be one of three planned updates, that will take some weeks until all are released. And then there will be very likely some addtional bugfixes and patches. So you can still use the currend version for some time and then restart once the new version it completely finished.

[skyrim482]

I know you mentioned you have a gender detection fix in an update thats TBA, is there any settings or workaround in the meantime that allows the male to be in the correct starting position whithout having to swap at every start? I do really like this mod by the way, its just diffrent from the others. Do you have plans to have dialogue options for diffrent postions depending on an npcs mood like NPC in the the mood for a bj or "wants to plow your ass" maybe some become more agressive if you decline their propsals. Im really looking foward to your next update, I know life is busy ?

[Barka]

It seems that a big progross has been outlined in development! I am very happy to know this and will be waiting for the release.
Hopefully integration with the Sexual Fame 'Framework' will be done too.

[Guffel]

I can give an Update: I finished with all new features and I'm currently in the phase of tieing everything together. In the next days I'm going to do some playtesting and make sure all features work as intended. So the first update can be expected withhin the next week. ?

 

On 9/29/2019 at 1:49 PM, skyrim482 said:

is there any settings or workaround in the meantime that allows the male to be in the correct starting position whithout having to swap at every start? I do really like this mod by the way, its just diffrent from the others. Do you have plans to have dialogue options for diffrent postions depending on an npcs mood like NPC in the the mood for a bj or "wants to plow your ass" maybe some become more agressive if you decline their propsals. Im really looking foward to your next update, I know life is busy ?

Unfortunately I'm not aware of any workarounds. You could try to play around with your SexLab gender, but apart from that I'm clueless. To be honest, I don't know what is causing your issue and therefore have no idea of how to go about fixing it.

 

2 hours ago, Barka said:

It seems that a big progross has been outlined in development! I am very happy to know this and will be waiting for the release.
Hopefully integration with the Sexual Fame 'Framework' will be done too.

I haven't looked into the Sexual Fame Framework just yet. I set up all of my own reputation functions already, so I will stick with them for the most recent update. But I'll consider it for the future, if I think it adds some value.

[Guest]

Was just browsing the comments and saw you are currently working on this again, thats exciting, appreciate the work your putting in on this

[Guffel]

Hello everyone, today is the day, the new update is ready!

 

I checked all features and everything seems to work so far. The dialogue will propably need some more finetuning and balancing, but that needs some long-term testing.

 

Features:

• the dialogue now are fully formulated line with variations for each personality
• personalities are now distributes by voice type and will fit the NPC better
• the player now has a reputation in each hold which decreases when spotted naked or having sex or when firting too much.
  [as of now, NPC won't react to the players reputation, but it will serve as gound-work for the future]
• NPCs can friendzone the player, which blocks any sexual outcomes
• NPCs and the player can now form relationships (requires affection of 60+) [not used by now]

 

I will take a break now and play around with it for the next two weeks and see if it fully works as intended.

 

If you want to help me out report any bugs and screenshots of typos or bad grammer so I can fix them when I start working on further updates.

 

Known Issue: I encountered one problem I can't explain. Sometimes the dialogue just stops like when you press tab. It seems to happen at random and once it happened it will persist with that specific NPC. I checked everything and can't find the cause and I'm not even sure if it's a problem with RDS or the skyrim engine. That's why I released this version as beta.

[Barka]

Thank you and please do not abandon the development.

[Yueviathan]

Aww you get rep for being nude? but my character is a nudist....rip me, I guess I get the hoe stamp  thank you for the update