Taven Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 Hmmm, I've barely noticed until up this point, but the eyelids don't seem to look that great. In fact, they look like what would happen if the invisibility eye glitch happened, but with eyelids. xD
Blaze69 Posted June 1, 2017 Author Posted June 1, 2017 Hmmm, I've barely noticed until up this point, but the eyelids don't seem to look that great. In fact, they look like what would happen if the invisibility eye glitch happened, but with eyelids. xDYeah, the thing is, the original CITRUS eyelids weren't exactly flawless to begin with, and some of the tweaks to that area made it even more noticeable. The current eyelids lookg good enough as far as blinking is concerned, but when it comes to actually closing the eyes... not so much. They actually don't close all the way, so at best they look like a weird vertical-eyelid version of squinting, and at worst, it looks bad. I tried to tweak the .tri to fix it, but it didn't quite work out. I may give it another shot sometime soon, though.
Kuroyami Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 Gaku Selachii-NPC-Gaku.7z Took these new shots without the Tattoos. The preset with the Tattoos is still included, and it requires Ixum's Tattoo mod. I would technically rather not do the same for Gaku as done with Mizuno, i.e having both of them naked - though they do have the same cultural standards, it's just about not being entirely repetitive. So if anything, possibly the Cultist Robes as shown. I would prefer it to be a bit more, exposed, but the mesh in DS' mod removes the entire skirt/pants, just leaving the top(or something to that effect and has that problem of only supporting the included vanilla textures). Not something to focus on, as the vanilla cultist robes would be fine at first, but maybe a proper conversion of that outfit to support SOS could be done, similar to Aoki's mod, and maybe it could leave the skirt? Neros Selachii-VanillaNPC-Neros.7z Not too sure of that location(i.e the alchemist camp near Evergreen Grove). The New Beginnings addon for LAL has a start for that location, which I would not consider too much of a problem(as it is similar to the problem with the "Warlock's Thrall" start for LAL, if using Interesting NPCs), since you just can leave with an easy to get follower. Otherwise, it probably is something easy, but could he get the red Argonian eye texture?
Blaze69 Posted June 5, 2017 Author Posted June 5, 2017 Wow, it's been a while since the last time I worked on this. After finishing up the quest for Moku/Izma, there wasn't much left for me to do at the moment. Oh, and not sure if I mentioned this, but Loki is ingame. He doesn't do much yet, though, mostly sandboxing around the College, but he's there. Right now I'm waiting on BadDog to work on the digi shark feet and send it to Nightro so he can work on the hi-poly meshes for normal generation, and textures as well. We are also talking about some possible changes and edits for the heads, but nothing sure for now. Stay tuned. Now, on to the post. Gaku Took these new shots without the Tattoos. The preset with the Tattoos is still included, and it requires Ixum's Tattoo mod. I would technically rather not do the same for Gaku as done with Mizuno, i.e having both of them naked - though they do have the same cultural standards, it's just about not being entirely repetitive. So if anything, possibly the Cultist Robes as shown. I would prefer it to be a bit more, exposed, but the mesh in DS' mod removes the entire skirt/pants, just leaving the top(or something to that effect and has that problem of only supporting the included vanilla textures). Not something to focus on, as the vanilla cultist robes would be fine at first, but maybe a proper conversion of that outfit to support SOS could be done, similar to Aoki's mod, and maybe it could leave the skirt? Yeah, I'll go for no tattoos. Mainly because I would have to somehow apply them via script on game load and stuff. Plan B is giving him a custom body texture with the tattoos already applied on it, but I'd rather not do it. If you link the file with the Cultist Robes, I can give a shot at making it SOS-compliant. Not sure about the skirt, though, not really a fan of that. Also there would be clipping when erect, so I don't think is a good idea. Neros Not too sure of that location(i.e the alchemist camp near Evergreen Grove). The New Beginnings addon for LAL has a start for that location, which I would not consider too much of a problem(as it is similar to the problem with the "Warlock's Thrall" start for LAL, if using Interesting NPCs), since you just can leave with an easy to get follower. Otherwise, it probably is something easy, but could he get the red Argonian eye texture? I don't think it's that much of a problem, there are plenty of easy-to-get followers in the vanilla game altogether. See Sven/Faendal for that matter, deliver a letter to Camila (aka 10 metres away at most) and poof, you get a level 7 minimum follower. Not sure which eyes you refer to, but I guess I could include some standalone eye textures for him just like I did for Vaynelle if they are not available in the vanilla game.
Kuroyami Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 If you link the file with the Cultist Robes, I can give a shot at making it SOS-compliant. Not sure about the skirt, though, not really a fan of that. Also there would be clipping when erect, so I don't think is a good idea. Technically, that mod does already work with SOS, though like the others from the same author, it does not follow Aoki's mod on how the meshes are done. Dragonborn Male Armor Conversions for SOS. But maybe the meshes from that mod could be used, though I'd hope they could be changed to not require the vanilla textures with alpha channels. I was going to use it for the screenshots, but I prefer using this texture mod, Outlandish Cultist Robes. I don't think it's that much of a problem, there are plenty of easy-to-get followers in the vanilla game altogether. See Sven/Faendal for that matter, deliver a letter to Camila (aka 10 metres away at most) and poof, you get a level 7 minimum follower. Not sure which eyes you refer to, but I guess I could include some standalone eye textures for him just like I did for Vaynelle if they are not available in the vanilla game. Actually used that start to take those shots. But yeah, it would not hurt to start that quest early either, since the only impediment might be if you and Neros can take on a number of fire mages/skeletons/etc. Well, there might be a number of eye colors available for Argonians, but some of them are limited to males(i.e the silver textures), and females(the red textures).
Blaze69 Posted June 5, 2017 Author Posted June 5, 2017 Technically, that mod does already work with SOS, though like the others from the same author, it does not follow Aoki's mod on how the meshes are done. Dragonborn Male Armor Conversions for SOS. But maybe the meshes from that mod could be used, though I'd hope they could be changed to not require the vanilla textures with alpha channels. Oh, that mod. Yeah, I have to say it is certainly not on par with the original SOS Revealing Armors mod (which I guess is the Aoki mod you mention). In my opinion, its armors vary between "kinda sorta okay-ish" and "straight up bad". "Deleting" part of an outfit by using an alpha channel on the texture is certainly not the way to go, at least not in this case. Perhaps I can remove the pants and the skirt up to the belt and leave everything else (the torso) untouched outside of fitting it to the SOS shape. That would make it compatible with retextures as well, like the one you linked. We'll see. Actually used that start to take those shots. But yeah, it would not hurt to start that quest early either, since the only impediment might be if you and Neros can take on a number of fire mages/skeletons/etc. Shouldn't be a problem as long as he is not OP. Well, there might be a number of eye colors available for Argonians, but some of them are limited to males(i.e the silver textures), and females(the red textures). Oh, I see what you mean. Then yeah, it's pretty easy .
Kuroyami Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Thinking about it, I'm probably going to include Koma's entry in the Legacy book, since it fits better with something I've had the idea for. Anyway, these may be a bit rough at this point(not sure of some of the terminology used either), but these are two letters, between Koma, and his...girlfriend, I guess, Seia. I'd explain more, but I think they speak for themselves. "To Koma" KOMAKA! What do you think you were doing? Was it about money? Some kind of ridiculous fame? Have you any idea what she might do with that information? You might be insecure about yourself, but was that an, outlet, for you? You have no idea what might happen because of what you have done. That book is going up for sale in a few days, and then everyone will know about you, and all the rest. What do you think of this? How will you live just knowing that anyone can learn such a thing about you? That woman...she is celebrated for her willingness to tell the truth, and yet, no one questions if it should be told. Barely anyone has the guts to stand up to her, even when she puts to print intimate details about our people, and not just our history. Every detail laid bare, and she seems to think that is fine. To think you almost talked me into it. I personally did not care about the money, nor anything else. I would never want to be so indecent, not only showing my body off to a complete stranger, but also to have...whatever she deems an appropriate description of me, able to be read by anyone with access to the book? Certainly not! I tried to convince you not to do it. I warned you about this. But now I simply do not want to care. Not about you, or whatever happens to you. Nor about what I said to you. Sayonara, chisana otokonoko. (The last line meant as "Goodbye, small boy". May only be wrong due to lack of accent marks.) "To Seia" Seia, honestly? You think I care? Why would I, since the only thing you have managed to do, is make me feel worse. About everything. When I met you, it seemed perfect. You admired my personality, you liked almost everything about me. But that could not last, right? You had to find something about me, that you did not like, and not only would it be something I cannot change, it was also something that you used as fuel for insults. I am not like others. I did not want to hear it. I barely listened to you. Barely cared about those friends of yours, who you told everything. Pity I had no such things to say. Mostly since every bad quality I found in you – were not secrets. They knew everything about you, and thus I had nothing to say. Nothing to do but stay away from you. From your friends, from almost everyone. Which just gave you more to say. None of it good, either. What you wanted was something I had heard about. Sissy boys at the figurative whip of an insecure bitch like you. No will to act or say a thing against you, and that is not something I was lacking. Even separated, you still acted like that is exactly what it was. You want to know why I said yes to her? Simple. She is not like you. What she finds, she can appreciate and accept, unlike you, where if it is not what you want, all that you can muster are insults. I am not the pup you think I am. You can simply go suck it, and since you have no interest in mine, I hope you can find the biggest one in Tamriel, and choke on it. KOMAKA
Blaze69 Posted June 9, 2017 Author Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) Thinking about it, I'm probably going to include Koma's entry in the Legacy book, since it fits better with something I've had the idea for. Anyway, these may be a bit rough at this point(not sure of some of the terminology used either), but these are two letters, between Koma, and his...girlfriend, I guess, Seia. I'd explain more, but I think they speak for themselves. [...] Wow, quite the drama going on between the two, lol. But then again, that's the kind of stuff that happens in reality, so including it as part of the lore only makes it better, I guess. I think it's interesting that Seia points out the fact that the book contains intimate decriptions of Selachii as well as some explicit content as "bad" or "wrong". I mean, I think we already went with the idea of the race as a whole not being as self-conscious about that topic as other races are by default. But still, you would expect some of them to indeed think like that, be it due to assimilation into other cultures, or simply out of free will itself. This kind of minor stuff is what separates a Planet of Hats from an actual believable and well-done culture, an I think it's really good to have it. Great work! Some notes on the language, though. I am not really versed on swearing in Elder Scrolls, but some of the language used on the letters (an specially on Koma's reply) may be a bit too modern. Changing them is not mandatory, and to be honest giving the Selachii some modern-ish vocabulary and stuff may not be a bad idea (we gave most of them fashion/modern hair after all and made it usual for the race, lol), but perhaps toning it down to something a bit... more time-neutral would smoothen the process. Just an idea, though. Also, fun fact: the word "pup" seems to be indeed the correct term for a young or baby shark. Not sure if you knew that already, but it's more than fitting in that context, lol. Just like that Argonian from the vanilla game refering to himself as a "hatchling". Edited June 9, 2017 by Blaze69
Kuroyami Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 I think it's interesting that Seia points out the fact that the book contains intimate decriptions of Selachii as well as some explicit content as "bad" or "wrong". I mean, I think we already went with the idea of the race as a whole not being as self-conscious about that topic as other races are by default. But still, you would expect some of them to indeed think like that, be it due to assimilation into other cultures, or simply out of free will itself. This kind of minor stuff is what separates a Planet of Hats from an actual believable and well-done culture, an I think it's really good to have it. Great work! Well, a perhaps unintended subtext is not just a prudish mindset, but also subtly insulting him as usual. In a very dark way, at that. "How will you live just knowing that anyone can learn such a thing about you?" Otherwise, yeah, the race having that lack of modesty for most may make sense(and fits with various ideas one might have, based on the available assets and the lack of the same oversight that might cause problems for a game up for sale), though having every Selachii agree with that? Not that believable. Some notes on the language, though. I am not really versed on swearing in Elder Scrolls, but some of the language used on the letters (an specially on Koma's reply) may be a bit too modern. Changing them is not mandatory, and to be honest giving the Selachii some modern-ish vocabulary and stuff may not be a bad idea (we gave most of them fashion/modern hair after all and made it usual for the race, lol), but perhaps toning it down to something a bit... more time-neutral would smoothen the process. Just an idea, though. I know vanilla Skyrim has at least one instance of "Bitch", i.e Ulfric calling Elenwen such, during the Council scene in High Hrothgar. Not sure of any others. Otherwise, yeah, though I probably won't do it too often, but having some of their choice phrases be a bit more modern by comparison, can work. Also, fun fact: the word "pup" seems to be indeed the correct term for a young or baby shark. Not sure if you knew that already, but it's more than fitting in that context, lol. Just like that Argonian from the vanilla game refering to himself as a "hatchling". Here I thought I was wrong about that. I believe I did see that on the Wikipedia page a while ago...along with hearing the same phrase used for Krogan in ME2..."Oh the shame this heaps on those who whine like pups"(said by the Urdnot Shaman on Tuchanka, if you use the interrupt to headbutt Uvenk).
Kuroyami Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 Okay, so some things for Hiyasu... Firstly though, on a related note...I did a bit more for Neros' quest, but in using the structure built for that file, to start the writing for Hiyasu's quest, I made the mistake of saving before making a new file. So while I have the first entry, the rest will have to be redone. However, I am thinking of changing the progression a bit. My first thought was to require the player to go to Falkreath to speak with a mage there, but given the Evergreen Grove being the possible location for where he will appear, I have an idea. Which is that Neros had an agreement with the Alchemist who was at the camp, who had some information on the person that Neros wanted to find. The Alchemist(who may need a name) wanted to have Neros use his magical skill to protect him(while gathering ingredients), and in return, he would provide him with information. However, perhaps within a day of the player arriving at the Camp, the Alchemist had foolishly left the camp very early in the morning, before Neros woke up, and wandered of to the pond with the nearly submerged altar - ending up being killed by the Spriggans. So while you can get him as a follower right away, the first objective for the quest would be to retrieve a journal held by the Alchemist, which will point to Sunderstone Gorge. Now, for Hiyasu's quest... Quest – HIYASU'S APOLOGY Description, 1: Finding a Selachii imprisoned within Winterhold's jail, The Chill, I spoke with him. He explained to me that he drank too much in the Frozen Heath a few nights ago, and when the guards came to sort him out, he began to drunkenly flirt with the guard captain, Krista. For this, she had him brought to the Chill for a few days. His request is for me to bring her an apology letter. He mentioned that she will either be at the Frozen Hearth, or in the Jarl's Longhouse in the hold capital. >[Obj1] Bring the letter to Winterhold's Guard Captain, Krista. Description, 2: Speaking with Krista, I have found out that she has a bit of a soft spot for beast races, and is even in a relationship with a Khajiit. She even told me of another Selachii, a mage in the College, who she assisted after one of her guards attacked him last year. Regardless, she accepted Hiyasu's apology, and told me where his possessions are. >[Obj2] Take Hiyasu's belongings from the nearby chest. >[Obj2a] Return to Hiyasu and speak with him. Description, 3: Returning to the Chill, Hiyasu thanked me for bringing Krista the letter, and bringing his possessions to him. He means to return to Winterhold, and true to his word, has offered to travel with me. >[Obj3] (Quest Completed) And for some related dialog... [PC] – [Hiyasu's Apology - “HA00”?- Obj2 and Obj2a Complete] So I have delivered the letter... | H – Then you have my thanks. How did she take it? | [PC] Well, first I found her with a Khajiit... | H – WHAT? | [PC] I have little reason to lie, you know... | H – Yes, my apologies. It is not too unexpected, given that she lives around many traditionalist Nords. Still... | H – Though her interactions with others is not my business. What about... | [PC] Yes, she accepted your apology. | H – Good, Good. Then perhaps that means I have, even in a small way, mended the situation with your help. Thank you again. | [PC] I'm not finished yet. She gave me your items too. [Gives Hiyasu's Blue robes, Black boots, etc] | H – Thank you. As I said, if you want to have my help, you have earned it. | H – If you have no need of it now, then I am going back to Winterhold. | H – I may still need to make amends with the Frozen Hearth's Innkeeper, so you can find me there. Still have to start the dialog for Khrista. Also, since Hiyasu is a member of the College... [PC] – [Player has met Mizuno, and read his Journal] Do you know about Mizuno? | H – Ah, yes. My own arrival here was some time before him. | H – I first met him a few days after he arrived, and he was impressed to see me, for a few reasons. | H – Mostly his expectation that he would meet no other Selachii in Skyrim. As well as the fact that I am a skilled mage, and yet still studying here. | [PC] Have you heard about- | H – His troubles, correct? No. I do not pry into such business. | H – Save for if I would be involved, which in this case, I am not. | H – Though I do know about Lana leaving, which seemed to be a sad time for him. | H – Some would ridicule him for the fact that he spent some time alone after that, and even now, with him spending even more by himself. | H – I do not. For I know feelings to be complex matters, and deserve some level of understanding. [PC] (Optional) What do you think of him? | H – He is young, and in some ways still a child to our race. Though it may not seem like it to you. | H – Before you worry, he is of age, a few years off such standards, actually. | H – Otherwise, he is a talented mage, and certainly someone I admire. | H – Since I have faced similar problems, at least considering his willingness to study magic, as I understand. | H – Though I have not faced the same emotional problems, but I sympathize. On another note, a mod I usually use for Khajiit characters, is Khajiit Dialog Overhaul - which includes the Khajiit character I posted in the Futa thread. Hence the somewhat consistent story. I mention this because I found it has a link to this tutorial, Extending dialogue length for the Creation Kit, which may help for this mod.
drzen Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 Does anyone have the older version with the humanoid feet? i cant seem to find it in my downloads
Blaze69 Posted June 13, 2017 Author Posted June 13, 2017 Does anyone have the older version with the humanoid feet? i cant seem to find it in my downloads Hum, the current version has humanoid feet already. Both for males and females, in fact; I managed to fit the original male foot meshes to work with the new textures and setup. So I'm not sure what you mean. We've talked about replacing those with actual beast feet based on BadDog's digitigrade assets, but that will come at a later point.
drzen Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Bleh, sorry i wasen't exactly, specific on what type of humanoid x-x, ment to say human feet, gah the 3 type toe is neat n all but the human feet feel more natural on it for some reason
Blaze69 Posted June 14, 2017 Author Posted June 14, 2017 Bleh, sorry i wasen't exactly, specific on what type of humanoid x-x, ment to say human feet, gah the 3 type toe is neat n all but the human feet feel more natural on it for some reason Oh, I see. Well, the female feet use the standard UNP texture layout, so you could simply replace the 3-toed beast feet meshes with human ones instead. Not really possible for males, though; they use modified female feet, so the textures won't match any male human feet meshes. Also can't use the old feet textures because they are from before I revamped the body textures and thus won't match the rest of the body. So, I guess you are out of luck on this, unless you only want human feet on females and not males, in which case it is easy to do and I can explain it if you want.
drzen Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Heck, well thanks anyways! edit: btw just curious if anyone has older versions, ima try to see if i can make the males feet human like i did somehow
Kuroyami Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 So, some screenshots - some of these show off the "Black Tip" edit I made to the schlong textures... Trying out the Survival Gear... Some of the OSA/OSex animations, including some from the newer version(2.02C)... Apparently, being eaten by a shark is not that bad...well, if you add out to that phrase, at least... Some more for Haru's Journal... One of the first real jobs I did, was to steal...and I am not making this up...a pair of silk undergarments for women, which was said to be worth thousands of gold coins. Some of the others took this as a joke, and perhaps I did too, but for some reason, I still took the job. This lead to an interesting situation, one that I could not have made up. When they told me the location, it seemed like an average house, settled in the Elven Gardens district of the Imperial City. The scouting I did at dusk told an entirely different story. Most of the patrons seemed to be men, along with a few women. It seemed to have the atmosphere of a tavern, but I had the idea that it was something much more. A brothel. Something perhaps that would be believed does not exist in the city, but it obviously does. It would be no surprise to me if there are several, in fact. One detail I should mention. Perhaps due to my differing body shape from most others in the guild, I had a more, custom outfit than the others. The guild's tailor tried to keep things a bit, discreet, only having hints to the truth. But the outfit she made for me, seemed to be something more than just a outfit for a thief, looking more like something one would wear underwater, even if most of it was leather. The top was, cropped, showing off my stomach and abs, even having a slight upward curve that matched the shape of my pecs. The pants, which only went half-way down my thighs, were shaped to fit my tail in the back, and the material itself was comfortable. The rest was somewhat standard, a pair of knee-height boots, a pair of thigh-guards that actually went over the pants, and a pair of gauntlets, the fingers cut for freer movement – though she mentioned that this was due to my clawed nails. Most of the outfit was black, but trimmed with red, to match my hair. Almost all of it made from leather, supposedly a sort that was more suited to being wet, and would not become heavy while submerged. A moan captured my attention, and I moved to hide. What I saw on the bed, did not really surprise me. The woman on the bed, was completely nude, save for the sheer, open gown around her shoulders. More likely it had come open while she was asleep, than any other way. Her body was unblemished, no scars, no tattoos. Her breasts were large enough for me to just wrap my hands around them, and her body was on the edge of curvaceous. I could also see that, save for the red-tinged blonde hair on her head, she was completely clean shaven. A turn of her head showed off something else – pointed ears. Another moan truly scared me. Mostly because this time, what followed was her opening her eyes, a pair of bright blue spheres staring in my direction. But rather than screaming, or even saying much, she pulled herself up into a sitting position, and began looking me over. Decided to check out the Hot Springs Camp, and had an idea. There obviously is the issue of Kanet changing drastically between the YA and Vanilla versions of the mod, and while I do not mind this too much, there is perhaps a simple solution to this. A patch for the follower mod that requires the SOS UNP addon, which would make the changes to Kanet, Izumi's journal, and any other characters(which I have one other planned at this point that would require such changes). This way, no need to package things like the Fair Skin Textures, instead it just relies on whatever textures for the body and schlong that the user has installed. Otherwise, I think I need to make a few more changes for Izumi's journal, especially a variant for the "HARU KNOWS ABOUT THIS?" line, if Kanet is female.
Blaze69 Posted June 14, 2017 Author Posted June 14, 2017 So, some screenshots - some of these show off the "Black Tip" edit I made to the schlong textures... Trying out the Survival Gear... SurvivalGear1.pngSurvivalGear2.png Some of the OSA/OSex animations, including some from the newer version(2.02C)... Been trying out the new version as well. Some nice improvements and additions. Also used the Selachii for the male roles. Mainly because they are the only race left in my Skyrim that stil have human style schlongs to match the anims. BadDog's beast meshes do fit most of the anims more or less, but since they use the whole RCAE thing, either they stay sheathed or go crazy swapping between stages (IIRC 0Sex uses constant SOS animevents to make some of the schlong movements it includes, and that causes the Hoodies to go crazy). Mostly used Mizuno for that. Poor guy is gonna walk funny for a week, with all the action he got. He probably enjoyed it, though, and so did the ladies, lol . Apparently, being eaten by a shark is not that bad...well, if you add out to that phrase, at least... Lol, chuckled at this pretty hard. Hadn't though of it, nice one . Some more for Haru's Journal... Okay, that's good. Interesting design for the clothes, too. Is it based on or similar to any available clothes (so that we could add them ingame at some point), or is it just for flavor? I know Nightro said he could create Selachii-specific gear at some point, but that will probably take a long while if it's done at all, so anything we may be able to whip up in the meantime would be good as well. Decided to check out the Hot Springs Camp, and had an idea. There obviously is the issue of Kanet changing drastically between the YA and Vanilla versions of the mod, and while I do not mind this too much, there is perhaps a simple solution to this. A patch for the follower mod that requires the SOS UNP addon, which would make the changes to Kanet, Izumi's journal, and any other characters(which I have one other planned at this point that would require such changes). This way, no need to package things like the Fair Skin Textures, instead it just relies on whatever textures for the body and schlong that the user has installed. Otherwise, I think I need to make a few more changes for Izumi's journal, especially a variant for the "HARU KNOWS ABOUT THIS?" line, if Kanet is female. I'm not sure. Adding the SOS UNP addon as a hardcoded requirement for the non-YA plugin? Either it's implemented in the main plugin and thus it's yet another requirement, or it has to be made as a separate version of the non-YA plugin, which is another plugin/version to create and mantain. Do we really need her to have a schlong? I mean, okay, YA 3.0 will change Redguards into Hyenas, and I assume the setting that gives female hyenas a schlong by default will be kept, because, well, hyenas. And including that fact as part of the story is a good idea indeed. Not sure if it should be considered as the racial thing aka schlong-shaped hyena female bits or actual functional male parts as some kind of oddity or rare thing, though; would like to hear your thoughts on that as well. But when she returns to being human for the non-YA version, well... It makes things harder for us, and also doesn't make that much sense or fit into the world for those that don't use futa mods for humans. So it's not that much of a priority for me, TBH. Also, the fitting non-YA versions of the journals and such material are actually not a requirement, I only added them because you offered to make them. As far as I'm concerned, they can be left as they are in the main version if creating alternate versions are cumbersome for you. Don't think it's that much of a drawback. Make them if you want, and if you don't, then no problem. I'm curious about that other character you mention, BTW. I assume it would be a vanilla race female NPC meant to have a schlong, right? Do you have any ideas so far? Just so I could get a sense of what you intend to do with that. We would have the same problem with the non-YA version, though. Now, as for the mod itself, been rethinking some stuff in the NPC plugin. I removed the whole deal with the outfits and scripting, and went back to how it was, i.e. no outfit assigned but the clothes in the inventory so they are equipped when you recruit them as followers and so. The outfit-swapping scripts didn't seem to be very stable, and they also caused some weird behaviour. For example, if you have the option that makes actors walk to the player for SL scenes instead of warping to position, they would equip the clothes whenever the "walk to scene" package kicked in, even if it was for two or three steps only. Also note that for example Kanet won't have clothes in her inventory because she's, well, her; but the Alik'r outifit is still in her knapsack. Also removed the underwear item. Doesn't look that good on females, and serves no real purpose outside of perhaps flavor (and then again, since it doesn't really look the part...). The male underwear mesh is still included as part of the male naked body setup (so you won't get the crotch hole while SOS equips the schlongs or stuff like that, but rather the undies instead), and it can easily be added as an actual playable item with retextures if needed as well. But the female version of it as well as the "bulge" version are gone. I still have the assets, though, so I can add them back if I change my mind. On the topic of schlongs and females, I'm not sure what to do about Fume and Moku/Izma. As I said, I applied the Izma preset on Moku to test it, and I'm liking the result, but not sure if I should leave it like that or go full Izma and give her a schlong. I don't want all female Selachii NPCs to have a schlong, and the way things are right now, Izumi would be the only "standard" female of them all. We've stated in the lore that hermaphrodite/futa females are not exactly uncommon among the sharks, but they are not the most prevalent either, so having some of the NPCs with that trait is nice, but I don't want to overdo it. Thus, if I decide to give Moku a schlong, I will probably change Fume into a full female to keep the "balance", so to speak. Not sure if any of the two has any planned story that would require them to have a schlong, but if any of them does, I would think it would be Fume, so my plan so far is to keep Moku as a standard female even after the Izma "makeover". Would like to hear your thoughts on this as well, though.
Kuroyami Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Been trying out the new version as well. Some nice improvements and additions. Also used the Selachii for the male roles. Mainly because they are the only race left in my Skyrim that stil have human style schlongs to match the anims. BadDog's beast meshes do fit most of the anims more or less, but since they use the whole RCAE thing, either they stay sheathed or go crazy swapping between stages (IIRC 0Sex uses constant SOS animevents to make some of the schlong movements it includes, and that causes the Hoodies to go crazy). Mostly used Mizuno for that. Poor guy is gonna walk funny for a week, with all the action he got. He probably enjoyed it, though, and so did the ladies, lol . The mod may have problems with animations at some point, given that between it(meaning OSA/OSex and all it's optional animations) and Halos Poser, FNIS mentions just over 5000 animations. Might be a lot less without Halo's animations though. Otherwise, I prefer it over SL, given the animations all transition, the focus on intimacy, etc. I mostly keep the mod active due to the Poser Module addon, which I find much easier to use for screenshots than RaceMenu. Lol, chuckled at this pretty hard. Hadn't though of it, nice one . Saw a similar comment on an image with a female shark doing the same, though it was an F/F pairing. Okay, that's good. Interesting design for the clothes, too. Is it based on or similar to any available clothes (so that we could add them ingame at some point), or is it just for flavor? I know Nightro said he could create Selachii-specific gear at some point, but that will probably take a long while if it's done at all, so anything we may be able to whip up in the meantime would be good as well. Nothing specific, just trying to consider something that would look the part, and fit for a Selachii. I'm not sure. Adding the SOS UNP addon as a hardcoded requirement for the non-YA plugin? Either it's implemented in the main plugin and thus it's yet another requirement, or it has to be made as a separate version of the non-YA plugin, which is another plugin/version to create and mantain. Do we really need her to have a schlong? I mean, okay, YA 3.0 will change Redguards into Hyenas, and I assume the setting that gives female hyenas a schlong by default will be kept, because, well, hyenas. And including that fact as part of the story is a good idea indeed. Not sure if it should be considered as the racial thing aka schlong-shaped hyena female bits or actual functional male parts as some kind of oddity or rare thing, though; would like to hear your thoughts on that as well. But when she returns to being human for the non-YA version, well... It makes things harder for us, and also doesn't make that much sense or fit into the world for those that don't use futa mods for humans. So it's not that much of a priority for me, TBH. Also, the fitting non-YA versions of the journals and such material are actually not a requirement, I only added them because you offered to make them. As far as I'm concerned, they can be left as they are in the main version if creating alternate versions are cumbersome for you. Don't think it's that much of a drawback. Make them if you want, and if you don't, then no problem. I'm curious about that other character you mention, BTW. I assume it would be a vanilla race female NPC meant to have a schlong, right? Do you have any ideas so far? Just so I could get a sense of what you intend to do with that. We would have the same problem with the non-YA version, though. Well, not something the base Non-YA follower plugin would require, no. That version would have Kanet as female, and Izumi's or Haru's journal would refer to her as such. But instead, a separate plugin, which would be optional to use, which would require the SOS UNP mod. Not really, but I'd somewhat rather avoid a situation like Poison, or Kaine, if at all possible. Granted, in the related games, those characters do not really show off much. But then you have the versions of their games released in the US, and any reference to that part of their character? Gone or changed. Though the best I can hope for is what could be simple. YA Follower Plugin=Hyena Futa/Herm N-YA Follower Plugin=Female N-YA Plugin W/Patch=Redguard Futa/Herm. As for the journals, they may not be required, but I plan to do them, certainly. I have no problem doing so. I would prefer to keep things consistent, so say one does not have a situation like I had with the male Selachii(Akame) I was playing with - I used the Non-YA Follower plugin, along with the SOS UNP mod loaded, and Kanet spawned with it - but Izumi's journal refereed to her as female. Not exactly the case normally, but it is similar. The second character would be related(hint) to Neros. A Dunmer you meet as part of his quest, basically the end of it. Thus, if I decide to give Moku a schlong, I will probably change Fume into a full female to keep the "balance", so to speak. Not sure if any of the two has any planned story that would require them to have a schlong, but if any of them does, I would think it would be Fume, so my plan so far is to keep Moku as a standard female even after the Izma "makeover". Would like to hear your thoughts on this as well, though. Well, Fume does...need it. What, with her being the father to a few kids. She may tell the player this in dialog after you complete her quest, at least if one asks. Which, yeah, that idea is getting a bit repetitive, there being three instances of it between Haru, Fume and Neros. Moku does not, she is only female.
Blaze69 Posted June 14, 2017 Author Posted June 14, 2017 The mod may have problems with animations at some point, given that between it(meaning OSA/OSex and all it's optional animations) and Halos Poser, FNIS mentions just over 5000 animations. Might be a lot less without Halo's animations though. Otherwise, I prefer it over SL, given the animations all transition, the focus on intimacy, etc. I mostly keep the mod active due to the Poser Module addon, which I find much easier to use for screenshots than RaceMenu. Yeah, well, to be honest, unless your game is pretty unstable already, the anim count shouldn't cause problems unless you crank it up to 10k+ or so. Or at least that's what I think. I've got Halo's Poser, MK Poser, Gomapero, aaand most of the others included in Poser Module except for Komotor's pack, Pretty Motion, and Brainsperm/Oden. You can imagine what animcount I get, and so far, no issues with it. Also completely agreed on 0Sex. Saw a similar comment on an image with a female shark doing the same, though it was an F/F pairing. Care to share a link? Only if you think it's good enough to be worth it, though, lol . Nothing specific, just trying to consider something that would look the part, and fit for a Selachii. Fair enough. Guess we will have to wait, then. Don't really have anything that would suit the race ATM, or at least I can't think of anything right now. Well, not something the base Non-YA follower plugin would require, no. That version would have Kanet as female, and Izumi's or Haru's journal would refer to her as such. But instead, a separate plugin, which would be optional to use, which would require the SOS UNP mod. Not really, but I'd somewhat rather avoid a situation like Poison, or Kaine, if at all possible. Granted, in the related games, those characters do not really show off much. But then you have the versions of their games released in the US, and any reference to that part of their character? Gone or changed. Though the best I can hope for is what could be simple. YA Follower Plugin=Hyena Futa/Herm N-YA Follower Plugin=Female N-YA Plugin W/Patch=Redguard Futa/Herm. As for the journals, they may not be required, but I plan to do them, certainly. I have no problem doing so. I would prefer to keep things consistent, so say one does not have a situation like I had with the male Selachii(Akame) I was playing with - I used the Non-YA Follower plugin, along with the SOS UNP mod loaded, and Kanet spawned with it - but Izumi's journal refereed to her as female. Not exactly the case normally, but it is similar. The second character would be related(hint) to Neros. A Dunmer you meet as part of his quest, basically the end of it. I guess I could do that, yes. One extra version to create, but hey, shouldn't take that much work to do it. Not 100% sure on that, though, but I may do it. More on it as it happens. Well, Fume does...need it. What, with her being the father to a few kids. She may tell the player this in dialog after you complete her quest, at least if one asks. Which, yeah, that idea is getting a bit repetitive, there being three instances of it between Haru, Fume and Neros. Moku does not, she is only female. Oh. I see. Well, that is most certainly an interesting idea if done right, I like it. Though three instances may be a bit too repetitive, yes. Perhaps take Neros out of it? I would rather keep it for Selachii characters, though. Female it is for Moku, then. One less thing to do .
Kuroyami Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Care to share a link? Only if you think it's good enough to be worth it, though, lol . Sometimes the comments are what makes the image a lot better. f-r95. I guess I could do that, yes. One extra version to create, but hey, shouldn't take that much work to do it. Not 100% sure on that, though, but I may do it. More on it as it happens. Well, that could work too, but I meant that as the Non-YA Plugin, along with another that would make the changes to the characters and journals. But a separate version might be a little better, so it is still just two plugins required for this mod(if one wants followers), not three. Unless the patch for ICoW returns at some point, but that is a different matter. Oh. I see. Well, that is most certainly an interesting idea if done right, I like it. Though three instances may be a bit too repetitive, yes. Perhaps take Neros out of it? I would rather keep it for Selachii characters, though. Female it is for Moku, then. One less thing to do . I do have the story planned, and it changes a lot of details without that one element. If nothing else, I'll keep it to those three instances.
Blaze69 Posted June 14, 2017 Author Posted June 14, 2017 Sometimes the comments are what makes the image a lot better. f-r95. Okay, that one was indeed nice, gotta give you that. Not that I didn't expect it to be, mind you, and most certainly not the "best thing evah!", but I am pleasantly surprised . I have to say the last few times I've dived into e621 (be it for design/reference or just to browse) have not exactly come up with a lot of content I specially like, so it's nice for a change. Also bet I can replicate that scene ingame, lol. Just need to get Nakahara for it. Hell, evem Kaveri's (the shark) tattoo could be done via some RM overlays or Slavetats, and the black underwear too. Not sure what dog breed is the other supposed to be, though, but in her case I guess we would have to do with either wolf or jackal instead. Buuut enough digression for now, lol . Well, that could work too, but I meant that as the Non-YA Plugin, along with another that would make the changes to the characters and journals. But a separate version might be a little better, so it is still just two plugins required for this mod(if one wants followers), not three. Unless the patch for ICoW returns at some point, but that is a different matter. I see. That's what I thought you meant, but I like to keep the plugin count to a minimum, so making it an extra plugin would be a bit cumbersome. Would be easier, though. I may opt for that instead. No word on the ICoW so far. Had some issues with the mod and uninstalled it, and so I didn't continue working on the patch. I may give it a try again sometime, and if it happens, I will probably create a new patch from scratch for it. I do have the story planned, and it changes a lot of details without that one element. If nothing else, I'll keep it to those three instances. Oh, I see. That's fine, then .
Kuroyami Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 May have been a little pushy about the point with Kanet, and this yet unnamed Dunmer character, but there is a slight difference between the two. Kanet has the vagueness of nothing in her backstory that absolutely requires any schlong addons. The Dunmer character is a bit different, though the reasoning for that was more about thinking of things in the context of YA, where it would not be a problem. Considering the vanilla game without it? Tricky. Which the vanilla version of the character(i.e the N-YA plugin that does not require SOS, may just dance around the problem, or use the excuse of magic to explain it away), will require a different explanation. Though about Neros quest, here is the background for the quest. Spoilers abound. "You do not know, do you? The question should be more about if you need to, but now you do." ~ Perhaps you know the Dunmer practice slavery. A fact that I am ashamed of. Something I never truly understood, even when it was explained to me that those in bondage were less than myself, but I still could not grasp it. For my single thought of, 'Why?', broke my willingness to have anything to do with it. It is also my shame, that for over a few decades, I did nothing to stop it. Not that I could end the practice entirely, but even if perhaps, one, could be given a better life? Maybe in doing so, I could be seen better in whatever judgement I would be passed. The time would come, but it would not be so simple as sneaking away in the night. No, it was close to that, but what lie dead at my hands were...friends, people I knew. Who would not give up. Who found out what I intended, and the situation became black and white. Myself and the Argonian woman I wished to save, or them. My choice was made for me, when I watched how they treated her earlier in the day. I had seen it before, but never that close. Never before my eyes. Never when I had the will, and the power to change it. Several lives taken, and one saved, was what I had to show for that. An action that would weigh heavily on me for years to come, perhaps even now. But in it, I found something else. Something I was not intending on, no. However, I could not let the feeling go. The village we came to in Black Marsh was filled with those who had faced the brutal treatment of the Dunmer, but had escaped it in some way. They were skeptical of me, but I did not waver. I broke my...friend's...bonds with magic, healed the sores on her wrists. My only intention was to see her safe, out of the hands the race I had come to know not as one I should be proud of, but one I was...again, ashamed of. They agreed, and within years, I found out I had feelings for her. Only, she spoke first. She moved things along. All my achievements with the Telvanni. All my experiments, all the things I had done to expand my knowledge of magic. Yet, all that paled in comparison to when I first laid eyes upon you. Perhaps my family would not have approved of anything I was doing, but I was...happy. So was she. But I only had a few years of happiness. Then, it all changed. For the Telvanni do not forget, and they knew. They...knew, and wanted revenge. I LOVED HER. I...had to watch her die. I had to realize in an instant that everything was going to change, in ways that I could not fix. You were safe, but she was not. Nor was any of the others. I stood alone that night, in the middle of fires, feeling as if it was over. Like I could just wait, and I would be consumed, becoming ash, as it should be. But I knew. That would be too simple. For I still had a reason to move on. You. Some bits of "Darkness"... Upon our arrival, I was in awe of Mal's home. Not only was it a sort of place I had rarely seen before, it was also...quite large. Two staircases curled around a fountain, the water contained within lit by balls of white light that danced over the surface. The stairs led to a long path, with trees baring vibrant fruits at it's sides, and the doors at the end were large, shining black, with carvings of various figures. The time I spent in there was filled with questions. Perhaps something due to my time in the brothel, or just perhaps a natural curiosity, I could not tell. Either way, my thoughts were focused on Saris. Who was he? Why was he so interested in me? And perhaps the thought that was so prevalent, what did he look like nude? It occurred me it may be that I might have to do nothing to find out. Maybe I could just step out of this shower and satisfy that curiosity. This was not far from the truth when I finished. I left the shower, to an empty room. I am not sure why, but I sank to the floor in the middle of the room, feeling a little depressed. It was then that I noticed really that the floor was wet, which it had not been before. Actually, it seemed as if the whole of this circular room was a bath in itself, the floor sloping to the middle of the room. He smiled, taking his arms away. Walking around me, he stopped in front of me, and simply stood there. I quickly looked up to his face, and he nodded. Looking down, I noticed that he did not have the towel around him. Saris had no signs of blemishes or scars on his body. His chest had little signs of muscle. His stomach was smooth, save for the divot in the center, which was actually opposite to most I had seen, including myself - it was poking outward. A rarity among mortals, but something I liked, even if I had not seen to too often. Also, about the outfit Haru's described as wearing, some of the details do have basic references, but they by themselves do not look anything like what I describe. The cropped top is due both to the Selachii having muscle to show off, and to the shark in this comic: Catch of the Day(by Fuze). The pants/shorts are probably something like this, only a different color, autumn_airwave. Though likely tighter, and form fitting. On another, though related note, something like this would of coruse fit the Selachii, catsudon.
Blaze69 Posted June 16, 2017 Author Posted June 16, 2017 May have been a little pushy about the point with Kanet, and this yet unnamed Dunmer character, but there is a slight difference between the two. Kanet has the vagueness of nothing in her backstory that absolutely requires any schlong addons. The Dunmer character is a bit different, though the reasoning for that was more about thinking of things in the context of YA, where it would not be a problem. Considering the vanilla game without it? Tricky. Which the vanilla version of the character(i.e the N-YA plugin that does not require SOS, may just dance around the problem, or use the excuse of magic to explain it away), will require a different explanation. Though about Neros quest, here is the background for the quest. Spoilers abound. Oh, I see what you mean now. Huh. Thing is, since Kanet is now going to be a hyena due to the YA 3.0 race swap (as soon as the 3.0 update drops, I'll patch this as well so they work together), she's going to have a schlong by default anyway unless you manually tweak the SOS settings in your game so that hyenas don't get one by default. So we might as well go ahead and include it. The non-YA version can have her lacking it, and that's it, no more consequences outside of some minor edits to Izumi's journal (and I guess Haru's, if she is mentioned there as well), as you said. That Dunmer, though... it may be hard. But: There's this Dunmer NPC in Morrowind that supposedly used some very advanced magic combined with the Coprus disease to somehow create clones of himself, and there was even an altered version of said proccess with which he managed to create a female version of himself. Several, in fact. It would be quite the stretch, but perhaps we could explain the non-YA version of the story with something similar? If I got your explanation right, it could work IMO. Also, about the outfit Haru's described as wearing, some of the details do have basic references, but they by themselves do not look anything like what I describe. The cropped top is due both to the Selachii having muscle to show off, and to the shark in this comic: Catch of the Day(by Fuze). I see. Fun fact: you can get something similar to that if you use the green (short/cropped) top texture from the female Survival Gear set on the male tank top mesh. So I guess it could be done using that as a base and recoloring/editing the textures. (About the comic itself... Nope. That shark gives me the creeps a bit. The shaved-but-still-a-bit-hairy scalp doesn't look good, would have much prefered either full hair or no hair at all (perhaps a head fin?). Also he has no tail nor back fin, but rather some weird "mini fin" just where the tail would be, as it can be seen on the final pages. Don't like that design at all. The lynx and deer characters from the beginning are kinda cute, though ) The pants/shorts are probably something like this, only a different color, autumn_airwave. Though likely tighter, and form fitting. Huh, perhaps the shorts from the Survival Gear could do the trick if we ever want to implement something like that ingame? Also, that is the character used as a reference for Haru, right? I really need to try and get a better hair for him, preferably looking more like the one in the pic. Perhaps I will do another swept through the male KS Hairs. Would be good to give some eyes that did include a visible sclera (white of the eye) as well, 'cause the full-red Argonian eyes don't look that good on him. Handmade Unique Eyes included some Khajiit eye textures with a visible sclera that could look good on Selachii. Unfortunately the mod seems to be gone from Nexus and I didn't save a copy, so I can't try them out. Oh, well.
Kuroyami Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 That Dunmer, though... it may be hard. But: There's this Dunmer NPC in Morrowind that supposedly used some very advanced magic combined with the Coprus disease to somehow create clones of himself, and there was even an altered version of said proccess with which he managed to create a female version of himself. Several, in fact. It would be quite the stretch, but perhaps we could explain the non-YA version of the story with something similar? If I got your explanation right, it could work IMO. I was thinking more of a vague handwave, but yeah. When you have magic as part of a setting, there really are no limits. Save for what people will believe, or accept. (About the comic itself... Nope. That shark gives me the creeps a bit. The shaved-but-still-a-bit-hairy scalp doesn't look good, would have much prefered either full hair or no hair at all (perhaps a head fin?). Also he has no tail nor back fin, but rather some weird "mini fin" just where the tail would be, as it can be seen on the final pages. Don't like that design at all. The lynx and deer characters from the beginning are kinda cute, though ) I don't have much of a problem with it, since I have seen a lot of variance to shark designs in images on that site. I do like those half-shaved hairstyles, which there are not too many of mod-wise. KS does have a few, obviously. Also, that is the character used as a reference for Haru, right? I really need to try and get a better hair for him, preferably looking more like the one in the pic. Perhaps I will do another swept through the male KS Hairs. Would be good to give some eyes that did include a visible sclera (white of the eye) as well, 'cause the full-red Argonian eyes don't look that good on him. Handmade Unique Eyes included some Khajiit eye textures with a visible sclera that could look good on Selachii. Unfortunately the mod seems to be gone from Nexus and I didn't save a copy, so I can't try them out. Oh, well. Yep. Not sure which one though. Yeah, I went looking for that one too. No idea why it is gone. Though it is true that I still have it and use it - basically all the shots I've taken use that texture mod. Also, perhaps to balance things out, I have a suggestion, and a new character. Izma - There is a empty camp close to were those treasure hunters can be found in the Rift, somewhere in Lake Geir. Why not place her there, since it is similar to her appearance in COC? Yes, I've played it. Came damn close to writing a character for it too. And the new character... Nami, Wreck Of the Winter War("Empty" Cage) - Caught on accident by the bandits living on the wreck, she found herself captured and imprisoned in the broken ship. Details to follow. Though she is another female character, and does indeed reference One Piece, though that is coincidental, since Wave=Nami.
Blaze69 Posted June 18, 2017 Author Posted June 18, 2017 Alright, new version is up! I'll admit there hasn't been that much progress on the mod so far, but it seems like I will not be able to work on this for quite a while (around a month at the very least, but will probably be more). So I decided to go ahead and release what I have, and then carry on with the development whenever I can. Worry not, this doesn't mean development will cease, only that it will, let's say, stop for vacations, lol. Check out the changelog to see what's changed. I'm 99% sure I'm missing some edits, as always, so there maybe more than it's listed there, though. Also I rushed this more than any other release, so I you come across any missing files/issues/bugs or whatever, let me know ASAP so I can fix them before I go. One of the changes has been the removal of the CBBE patch for the mod. For those that used CBBE and wanted to play the mod, I'm sorry about it, but the CBBE assets were lagging way behind the main (UNP) ones, so it didn't feel right to provide a sub-par product, but I didn't have the time to bring them up to date either. I will try to do so and provide a full CBBE option in the future . Also, for the record, I may go ahead and release the "Lite" version of the mod I've been talking about from time to time, though I'm not 100% sure about it yet. It would be available at the Nexus, and will have all of the, let's say, questionable content removed. Also no assets that depend on LL-only files, like Yiffy Age or BadDog's Hoodies schlong system for the sheaths. This means the NPC plugin will be absent, and the only SOS addon available will be the standard (human) one for males only. So, as you see, that Lite version is not exactly an improvement over this main one (quite the opposite), but it's not meant to be so. It's simply to have the chance to reach a wider audience and to make the mod available to those that may want to play it but are oblivious to its existance due to being uploaded in LL, or to be put off by the more questionable content. Anyway, as I said, it's not 100% sure I will do it, but if it happens, it will be sometime before the end of the week. And I will obviously post here to let people know. As always, enjoy!
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