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[Delzaron]

So lot animations ?

 

why youdidn't produce a mod with these animations, like a ZAZ extension ? It's already planned ?

[VirginMarie]

So lot animations ?

 

why youdidn't produce a mod with these animations, like a ZAZ extension ? It's already planned ?

 

I use other people's animations with permission. They are integrated and setup differently in FNIS since I'm not playing them through Sexlab. The scripting is very specific to this mod... far from being suitable as something like Zaz Extension.

[Sarge Misfit]

Are there any issues to installing the mod later in a play-through?

[VirginMarie]

Are there any issues to installing the mod later in a play-through?

 

Not a problem. Bit more detail in FAQ #1.

[Sarge Misfit]

Thanks, I'll go over the info in a lot more detail once I get past the main questlines

Though, I might not wait. Been wondering about being a succubus Sister of Dibella. It'd be like traveling through an all you can eat smorgasbord

Adding Shout Like a Virgin should complicate things nicely   

[Lambda87]

Brief review:

 

This and cursed loot are the staple mods for any devious playthrough. I have a very heavily immersive + survival + difficulty oriented modded game and these 2 devious mods just make for the best gaming experience I have ever had. When I get killed I lose all my stuff (no death mod) + get locked into Nocturnal's collar and forced to crawl and bleed. One really thinks about dying again

 

What I absolutely love about this mod though is the attention to detail and the tremendous work that has been poured into it. All punishing devices are extremely immersive (mostly thanks to the added gameplay and visual effects and SOUND, wish more modders realized this). Running around locked in full virginity training set with all the bells and chains sounds IS truly immersive.

 

Animations: multiple animations played in rapid succession. This is SO MUCH BETTER than watching a single animation going on for ages (which gets old really fast).

 

The mod also seems to be very stable, performance friendly and relatively bug free. I have found one minor bug so far: when forced to crawl I get periodically 3rd person switch (I use enhanced camera for 1st person).

 

VirginMarie, you are hands down the best devious modder of Skyrim. Please bring us even more hardcore immersive punitive devices

[Sarge Misfit]

Brief review:

 

This and cursed loot are the staple mods for any devious playthrough. I have a very heavily immersive + survival + difficulty oriented modded game and these 2 devious mods just make for the best gaming experience I have ever had. When I get killed I lose all my stuff (no death mod) + get locked into Nocturnal's collar and forced to crawl and bleed. One really thinks about dying again

 

What I absolutely love about this mod though is the attention to detail and the tremendous work that has been poured into it. All punishing devices are extremely immersive (mostly thanks to the added gameplay and visual effects and SOUND, wish more modders realized this). Running around locked in full virginity training set with all the bells and chains sounds IS truly immersive.

 

Animations: multiple animations played in rapid succession. This is SO MUCH BETTER than watching a single animation going on for ages (which gets old really fast).

 

The mod also seems to be very stable, performance friendly and relatively bug free. I have found one minor bug so far: when forced to crawl I get periodically 3rd person switch (I use enhanced camera for 1st person).

 

VirginMarie, you are hands down the best devious modder of Skyrim. Please bring us even more hardcore immersive punitive devices

 

Now I'm wondering about adding Devious Training to that

 

[VirginMarie]

Glad you are liking it

 

I have found one minor bug so far: when forced to crawl I get periodically 3rd person switch (I use enhanced camera for 1st person).

 

Not sure I could improve that as it could be caused by how FNIS works (the crawl is alternate animations I ask FNIS to turn on). I've not seen this myself but rarely use 1st person myself to notice. When is it happening? When crawling starts? Randomly in the middle of crawling?

Now I'm wondering about adding Devious Training to that

 

For Devious Training, take note of the tip in Troubleshooting #19

[Lambda87]

Glad you are liking it

 

I have found one minor bug so far: when forced to crawl I get periodically 3rd person switch (I use enhanced camera for 1st person).

 

Not sure I could improve that as it could be caused by how FNIS works (the crawl is alternate animations I ask FNIS to turn on). I've not seen this myself but rarely use 1st person myself to notice. When is it happening? When crawling starts? Randomly in the middle of crawling? 

 

Not at the start but "randomly" during 1st person crawling. Can't really tell whether it's random, would have to test it a bit more. I had the collar timer set to maximum (not related) and last time I counted over 10 occurrences for sure.

[VirginMarie]

 

Glad you are liking it

 

I have found one minor bug so far: when forced to crawl I get periodically 3rd person switch (I use enhanced camera for 1st person).

 

Not sure I could improve that as it could be caused by how FNIS works (the crawl is alternate animations I ask FNIS to turn on). I've not seen this myself but rarely use 1st person myself to notice. When is it happening? When crawling starts? Randomly in the middle of crawling? 

 

Not at the start but "randomly" during 1st person crawling. Can't really tell whether it's random, would have to test it a bit more. I had the collar timer set to maximum (not related) and last time I counted over 10 occurrences for sure.

 

FNIS or Enhanced Camera is likely being interrupted by some event from another mod. Example... plug/device vibrations from Devious Devices.

[Sarge Misfit]

Glad you are liking it

 

I have found one minor bug so far: when forced to crawl I get periodically 3rd person switch (I use enhanced camera for 1st person).

 

Not sure I could improve that as it could be caused by how FNIS works (the crawl is alternate animations I ask FNIS to turn on). I've not seen this myself but rarely use 1st person myself to notice. When is it happening? When crawling starts? Randomly in the middle of crawling?

Now I'm wondering about adding Devious Training to that

 

For Devious Training, take note of the tip in Troubleshooting #19

 

I always turn the chain sounds off. I find them to be a bit annoying, takes away from my enjoyment of the game.

 

[fore]

 

Glad you are liking it

 

I have found one minor bug so far: when forced to crawl I get periodically 3rd person switch (I use enhanced camera for 1st person).

 

Not sure I could improve that as it could be caused by how FNIS works (the crawl is alternate animations I ask FNIS to turn on). I've not seen this myself but rarely use 1st person myself to notice. When is it happening? When crawling starts? Randomly in the middle of crawling? 

 

Not at the start but "randomly" during 1st person crawling. Can't really tell whether it's random, would have to test it a bit more. I had the collar timer set to maximum (not related) and last time I counted over 10 occurrences for sure.

 

FNIS has to switch to 3rd person when alternate animations are set to the player. That's technically necessary.

 

The FNIS procedures don't change back to 1st. The animation mods have to do it when they are done. Because usually there are more that one AA assignments in a row. Therefore returning to 1st in FNIS would cause a repeated change between 1st and 3rd.

 

FNIS on its own usually does not change to 3rd. Only after load, when the user has a different AA setup due to added or removed mods that use AA functionality.

 

In early AA times XPMSE repeatedly changed between 1st and 3rd when you used its additional animations (not only the equip ones). But now XPMSE uses a very clever implementation by waiting until the user itself switches to 3rd person. Something unfortunately the FNIS procedures cannot do themselves.

 

But whenever this 1st->3rd switch happens you can look into the papyrus log to find out which mod has caused that switch. 

[Lambda87]

Unfortunately I have papyrus logs disabled. Running quite a lot of mods so needed to alleviate some strain for a stable setup. Guess I will have to re-enable to find the culprit.

 

Still, when the switch from 1st->3rd person happens the crawl animation is not interrupted and the character maintains its direction. When event like orgasm or whatever happens then yes, there is an interrupt and it works as expected. To me it seems no other event tries to interrupt the crawl and somehow fails resulting in camera switch. All such stuff I am running always print something to console and there is nothing.

[Lambda87]

Also a little feedback if I may: melting clamps are good idea but the current execution can be easily cheesed out. If you are in a combat or caught in blizzard with frostfall on it is pretty easy to favourite the main body armor and just quickly re-equip from the favourite menu (and keep spamming it). It leads more to annoyance than meaningful game effect. Would it be possible to just completely disable wearing body armor when the device is melting? Some devices from other mods can already do that. Hopefully it wouldn't be a difficult change.

 

btw do the chains and bell have any effect on sneaking? I can't really tell since my sneaking is low anyways but it would be cool if it had.

[VirginMarie]

FNIS has to switch to 3rd person when alternate animations are set to the player. That's technically necessary.

 

Thanks for the info Fore. I know what's causing it now and its coming from this mod. Is there any way to detect that another mod has overridden the AAs? Without this I'd not be able to improve it.

 

Also a little feedback if I may: melting clamps are good idea but the current execution can be easily cheesed out. If you are in a combat or caught in blizzard with frostfall on it is pretty easy to favourite the main body armor and just quickly re-equip from the favourite menu (and keep spamming it). It leads more to annoyance than meaningful game effect. Would it be possible to just completely disable wearing body armor when the device is melting? Some devices from other mods can already do that. Hopefully it wouldn't be a difficult change.

MCM has the option to turn this off so if you are going to spam your favourite, you could just disable instead. I could completely disable using slot of the melted versions of devices, but I don't know any way to completely disable through code (needed to keep the MCM option).

 

btw do the chains and bell have any effect on sneaking? I can't really tell since my sneaking is low anyways but it would be cool if it had.

No effect on sneak. I will add to my wish list. I'd add the feature if it can be optional.

[fore]

 

FNIS has to switch to 3rd person when alternate animations are set to the player. That's technically necessary.

 

Thanks for the info Fore. I know what's causing it now and its coming from this mod. Is there any way to detect that another mod has overridden the AAs? Without this I'd not be able to improve it. 

 

I would say (if this is in fact is caused by FNIS AA) that you figure out who does it, and how it can be synchronized. Because by knowing that another mod has overridden AAs doesn't mean that you automatically should override it back. And switching to 3rd person unreasonably is not something you can fi by just knowing when it happens.

 

I have a related section in the PCEA2 instructions: 

 

Mod synchronization (for mod makers only!)

 

Using the FNIS Alternate Animation functionality can cause much trouble when several mods try to change the same animvars for the player. In order to allow for a basic level of synchronization between the mods, FNIS PCEA2 sends the following mod event whenever it has changed something for the player. XPMSE will read this to react appropriately. It is recommended that all animation mods using FNIS Alternate Animations do the same (for player only).

 

SendModEvent("FNISaa_AnimVarsSet", "FNIS_PCEA2")

 

The first parameter is the name of the mod event and fix. The second parameter is the name of the mod (name of the mod'S animation folder, case SENSITIVE)

[Kimy]

Also a little feedback if I may: melting clamps are good idea but the current execution can be easily cheesed out. If you are in a combat or caught in blizzard with frostfall on it is pretty easy to favourite the main body armor and just quickly re-equip from the favourite menu (and keep spamming it). It leads more to annoyance than meaningful game effect. Would it be possible to just completely disable wearing body armor when the device is melting? Some devices from other mods can already do that. Hopefully it wouldn't be a difficult change.

MCM has the option to turn this off so if you are going to spam your favourite, you could just disable instead. I could completely disable using slot of the melted  ersions of devices, but I don't know any way to completely disable through code (needed to keep the MCM option).

 

 

What you can do is put a OnItemEquipped() listener in a player alias script, catch whenever the player tries to equip an armor and unequip it right away if the slot is currently not allowed. That's how I do it in DCL and DD.

 

[kittiefay]

everything seem to run smooth until i got the virgin chassis and workout plugs. On the quest part where i'm supposed to disable two dwarf devices and when i do, nothing happens. No quest update when i do, though it does stop glowing. Occasionally when my char reaches the melting point and is forced to to and relieve herself via masturbation, the vaginal chassis unequippes and reequips, as well as the plug, but  though on the menu is says i'm wearing them, they do not show visual or mechanicaly because i keep loosing anal virginity.

 

I've tried to  use a cleaned up save point, and uninstalling the mod and reinstalling it but nothing seems to help. This really sucks because i'm loveing the mod so far and want to keep playing it.

 

(also i think it would be awesome if there was a gag-less version.  Its cute to begin with but seriously annoying having to scroll where all the muffled bits just to talk to someone. 

[VirginMarie]

everything seem to run smooth until i got the virgin chassis and workout plugs. On the quest part where i'm supposed to disable two dwarf devices and when i do, nothing happens. No quest update when i do, though it does stop glowing. Occasionally when my char reaches the melting point and is forced to to and relieve herself via masturbation, the vaginal chassis unequippes and reequips, as well as the plug, but  though on the menu is says i'm wearing them, they do not show visual or mechanicaly because i keep loosing anal virginity.

 

I've tried to  use a cleaned up save point, and uninstalling the mod and reinstalling it but nothing seems to help. This really sucks because i'm loveing the mod so far and want to keep playing it.

 

(also i think it would be awesome if there was a gag-less version.  Its cute to begin with but seriously annoying having to scroll where all the muffled bits just to talk to someone. 

 

Both of your problems are almost surely caused by a corrupt save. The most common cause of a corrupt save is not following the "golden rule" as described here. Your only solution is to start a new game.

 

Regarding a gag-less version... you already have that option. In MCM "none" can be selected for the gag. The only exception is the bridle gag you get until you finish saving Cassia and get it's key.

[Kanealpha]

It would be great if devices could be disabled at any time, not just after complettng training.

Curious as i was i used the console to test some items. Icould get them on but not off, even after using "unequipall) they looked like they were off but according to my inventory i was still wearing them.

Also i am having some problems with some animations: My Char getting stuck, no animations or conversations happening so i have to use something (other mods, forced animations) to override the current animation. After that i am stuck with devices because i had to interrupt the quest. So a way to remove devices/items/clothes at all times would be perfect. Or can i use console commands to add the required key/devices to my inventory so i can unlock myself?

[jfraser]

It would be great if devices could be disabled at any time, not just after complettng training.

Curious as i was i used the console to test some items. Icould get them on but not off, even after using "unequipall) they looked like they were off but according to my inventory i was still wearing them.

Also i am having some problems with some animations: My Char getting stuck, no animations or conversations happening so i have to use something (other mods, forced animations) to override the current animation. After that i am stuck with devices because i had to interrupt the quest. So a way to remove devices/items/clothes at all times would be perfect. Or can i use console commands to add the required key/devices to my inventory so i can unlock myself?

use the mod's mcm. It has a "remove all devices" box under the "devices & tats" tab. You can also try on any of the items from that screen instead of consoling.

[Kanealpha]

 

It would be great if devices could be disabled at any time, not just after complettng training.

Curious as i was i used the console to test some items. Icould get them on but not off, even after using "unequipall) they looked like they were off but according to my inventory i was still wearing them.

Also i am having some problems with some animations: My Char getting stuck, no animations or conversations happening so i have to use something (other mods, forced animations) to override the current animation. After that i am stuck with devices because i had to interrupt the quest. So a way to remove devices/items/clothes at all times would be perfect. Or can i use console commands to add the required key/devices to my inventory so i can unlock myself?

use the mod's mcm. It has a "remove all devices" box under the "devices & tats" tab. You can also try on any of the items from that screen instead of consoling.

 

if i use "remove all devices" i  get the message that i am not suppsed to use it until i completed virgin training, so it does nothing

[VirginMarie]

 

 

It would be great if devices could be disabled at any time, not just after complettng training.

Curious as i was i used the console to test some items. Icould get them on but not off, even after using "unequipall) they looked like they were off but according to my inventory i was still wearing them.

Also i am having some problems with some animations: My Char getting stuck, no animations or conversations happening so i have to use something (other mods, forced animations) to override the current animation. After that i am stuck with devices because i had to interrupt the quest. So a way to remove devices/items/clothes at all times would be perfect. Or can i use console commands to add the required key/devices to my inventory so i can unlock myself?

use the mod's mcm. It has a "remove all devices" box under the "devices & tats" tab. You can also try on any of the items from that screen instead of consoling.

 

if i use "remove all devices" i  get the message that i am not suppsed to use it until i completed virgin training, so it does nothing

 

 

I would not change the way devices work in terms of when they can or cannot be removed. Would really defeat the purpose.

 

Sounds like maybe your main issue here is "problems with animations". If they are animations from this mod, maybe explain more specifically as this is not normal and might be solved. See also the Troubleshooting section in case your specific problem is there.

 

If you are stuck in an animation from this mod, use this mod's MCM player reset (Misc Tab).

[Kanealpha]

 

 

 

It would be great if devices could be disabled at any time, not just after complettng training.

Curious as i was i used the console to test some items. Icould get them on but not off, even after using "unequipall) they looked like they were off but according to my inventory i was still wearing them.

Also i am having some problems with some animations: My Char getting stuck, no animations or conversations happening so i have to use something (other mods, forced animations) to override the current animation. After that i am stuck with devices because i had to interrupt the quest. So a way to remove devices/items/clothes at all times would be perfect. Or can i use console commands to add the required key/devices to my inventory so i can unlock myself?

use the mod's mcm. It has a "remove all devices" box under the "devices & tats" tab. You can also try on any of the items from that screen instead of consoling.

 

if i use "remove all devices" i  get the message that i am not suppsed to use it until i completed virgin training, so it does nothing

 

 

I would not change the way devices work in terms of when they can or cannot be removed. Would really defeat the purpose.

 

Sounds like maybe your main issue here is "problems with animations". If they are animations from this mod, maybe explain more specifically as this is not normal and might be solved. See also the Troubleshooting section in case your specific problem is there.

 

If you are stuck in an animation from this mod, use this mod's MCM player reset (Misc Tab).

 

 

It would defeat the purpose but , since this is still a game, it would add freedom of choice in case someone would want to continue the storyline the normal way. Most, if not all, other mods i use do have this feature.

 

My problem with the animations is a generl problem, not directly related to your mot. It is a lot better since in got the latest version of ZAZ animations but some animation are still broken.

 

How long will it usually take untill virgin training is completed and i can remove devices with the MCM?

 

[VirginMarie]

 

 

How long will it usually take untill virgin training is completed and i can remove devices with the MCM?

 

From first meeting with Nocturnal, it's likely 1.5 to 3 hours depending on how you play the game. Virgin Training ends with you receiving the keys which allow you to remove devices. MCM is the alternate way (if you have the keys).