Immersive Hair Growth and Styling (YPS Devious & Immersive Fashion 2025-06-08)

[KentuckyExpat]

On 1/10/2024 at 11:13 AM, emily1673 said:

To progress at that stage, you have to sleep in a bed. Any bed should work. After you wake up, there will be something happening to your feet.

OK. Did that. First Halli slept in her own bed in Breezehome and when nothing happened there, she spent the next night at the Bannered Mare. Again, nothing happened.

OK, here's an update. Rested for another day and got the message that Halli had advanced in her heels training to "Arched Feet". Didn't seem to affect Danica, she is still responding with the generic responses.  Tried checking into the Bannered Mare to see if that would advance the game but even after staying there for five days still no message.  Any other thoughts?

Since I have already gotten to the last stage of 6.5.4.2 on another playthrough I would be OK just doing a "setstage" past this glitch since I already know what happens.

 

On 1/10/2024 at 7:29 AM, Balgin said:

Okay. What speed do you have the quest set to in the last page of the MCM? That could explain why you took 8 days to recover in the temple. 

 

Now, for the next step, you might specifically need to rest at an inn to trigger the next stage or, having the quest set to a slow speed, might have slowed it down so you may need to rest for a few days for the next step to trigger. I don't know if it specifically needs an inn (or even, specifically needs the Bannered Mare) or if it's based on quest speed and resting. You might want to experiment a bit. You can justify resting at the inn as the fact that the innkeeper and her assistants will be there to help support you instead of resting at home on your own with nobody to help you if you need anything while you're still recovering from surgery.

The quest advancement speed is 3, the fastest. Will try resting for another day or two. Since Halli spent 8 days in hospital, she may need to rest up for several days as well.

 

Edited January 11, 2024 by KentuckyExpat
Edit: added an update

[r3mind]

I thought I was smart while fine tuning YPS for yet another playthrough and disabled "Frequent Hair Check" option (because it says it can cause a performance hit).
Then I spent several hours trying to find a reason why PC expressions stopped working during SL animations.
I have no idea how those two things are connected and if it's a bug or the expected behavior. I'm using KSHairdosSMP hairs.

[KentuckyExpat]

OK. Now this is weird. Manlia went to Riften to get her hair cut. After Yorga finished, Manlia's hair was still russet but her armor, Leather Scout Armor was now glossy and pink, plus, along the bottom hem there was a legend, "Complexion by HHaleyy". WTF?

[emily1673]

On 1/11/2024 at 4:21 PM, KentuckyExpat said:

OK. Did that. First Halli slept in her own bed in Breezehome and when nothing happened there, she spent the next night at the Bannered Mare. Again, nothing happened.

OK, here's an update. Rested for another day and got the message that Halli had advanced in her heels training to "Arched Feet". Didn't seem to affect Danica, she is still responding with the generic responses. 

 

The "Arched Heels" mean that the quest has progressed. For the next step, you should talk to somebody else (see quest log; Danica comes a few quest stages later only).

 

On 1/11/2024 at 11:57 PM, KentuckyExpat said:

OK. Now this is weird. Manlia went to Riften to get her hair cut. After Yorga finished, Manlia's hair was still russet but her armor, Leather Scout Armor was now glossy and pink, plus, along the bottom hem there was a legend, "Complexion by HHaleyy". WTF?

Interesting bug.

 

On 1/11/2024 at 10:50 PM, Vigor said:

I thought I was smart while fine tuning YPS for yet another playthrough and disabled "Frequent Hair Check" option (because it says it can cause a performance hit).
Then I spent several hours trying to find a reason why PC expressions stopped working during SL animations.
I have no idea how those two things are connected and if it's a bug or the expected behavior. I'm using KSHairdosSMP hairs.

Cannot be related to YPS. Hair check has nothing to do with PC expressions.

Edited January 13, 2024 by emily1673

[r3mind]

1 hour ago, emily1673 said:

Cannot be related to YPS. Hair check has nothing to do with PC expressions.

I can't believe my "luck"... I tried to investigate further and realized it only happens to one hairstyle "KSSMP_Anchor", which I selected when creating my character. When I get another haircut (normal or smp), then expressions work fine (with "frequent har check" disabled). So the reason is either this specific hair or the fact it's my default hair. In both cases I've no clue how it can break expressions during SL scenes. I'm also using Sexlab Utility Plus which I think has some changes to expression system, but considering it only happens to one hair, I don't think that mod is the problem. Anyways, I'll just keep "frequent har check" enabled, because obviously this is some kind of super rare magic bug that's not worth spending time on when you can just click one checkbox ^^

[r3mind]

Here is a small guide how to fix misaligned hands when using default YPS meshes for nails (only tested for 3BA body):

 

1. Find and open your yps-SoundTexturePackage\meshes\yps\nails folder. 

2. Download Kaw Claws SSE. Go to its meshes\claws folder and copy ClawsBlackF_0.nif + ClawsBlackF_1.nif to the folder above. Rename both files to ypsNailsShimmerBlackF_0.nif and ypsNailsShimmerBlackF_1.nif respectively. You will need to delete or rename the original YPS files first.

3. Download Kaw Claws Bodyslide CBBE SE. Open BodySlide and build a morphs (.tri) file for your body as usual. Copy the generated ClawsBlackF.tri (located in meshes\claws) to the folder from the first step and rename it to ypsNailsShimmerBlackF.tri (delete or rename the original file first).

 

That should be enough to fix the issue with misaligned hands for CBBE bodies. There might be a shorter way, but I just posted what worked for me the first try.

[KentuckyExpat]

On 1/13/2024 at 2:50 AM, emily1673 said:

The "Arched Heels" mean that the quest has progressed. For the next step, you should talk to somebody else (see quest log; Danica comes a few quest stages later only).

 

When you say, "see quest log" what are you referring to? The list of actions shown when I look at "The Follower of Dibella" quest in my journal? If so, the top item there, which has the open diamond that indicates an incomplete action, is "I need to get some rest, maybe in the inn". Problem is that she has rested for over a week now with no new messages.

[Sospice]

On 1/11/2024 at 4:50 PM, Vigor said:

I thought I was smart while fine tuning YPS for yet another playthrough and disabled "Frequent Hair Check" option (because it says it can cause a performance hit).
Then I spent several hours trying to find a reason why PC expressions stopped working during SL animations.
I have no idea how those two things are connected and if it's a bug or the expected behavior. I'm using KSHairdosSMP hairs.

The hair check function causes the facial expression to reset to default.

So frequent hair check means it's overriding the facial expression command every 10-15 seconds.  I noticed this issue with blush when aroused, where the arousal expression would stop working when the hair check command happened.  What I would do is turn off frequent hair checks and turn expressions in blush when aroused on and off again and that would fix it.

If there's a way to do something similar in SL animations (I think there is) then that should work the same way.

Also from what I recall having hair with physics can cause a problem with expressions as well. Basically it seems you can really only have one command effecting the head at a time and it will stop/ interfere with any existing command, I guess.

edit; I'm going to add I figured this all out like 2 years ago, so I have no idea if it's the same problem now, and this was how it appeared to work, so I could be wrong and it's just a massive coincidence. But I just know turning off frequent hair checks and HDT hair stopped me from having issues with blush when aroused facial expressions.

Edited January 16, 2024 by Sospice

[emily1673]

On 1/14/2024 at 11:13 PM, KentuckyExpat said:

When you say, "see quest log" what are you referring to? The list of actions shown when I look at "The Follower of Dibella" quest in my journal? If so, the top item there, which has the open diamond that indicates an incomplete action, is "I need to get some rest, maybe in the inn". Problem is that she has rested for over a week now with no new messages.

Once you get the "arched feet", your log should already show the next quest stage.

[KentuckyExpat]

56 minutes ago, emily1673 said:

Once you get the "arched feet", your log should already show the next quest stage.

As I said, "the top item there (the quest log), which has the open diamond that indicates an incomplete action, is "I need to get some rest, maybe in the inn". The game is not acknowledging that Halli has already completed that stage so there is no new stage. Is the "Arched Feet" stage the last one on the high heels training or is there one or more stages to be completed. If so, would that explain why I can't go any further? Also, the two choices related to arched feet in the MCM page for High Heel Training, the two on the right side of the page, are both unchecked if that would make a difference

 

In an earlier playthrough with version 6.5.4.2 which I had to subsequently delete, I recall the following actions took place once my PC had recovered from her surgery.

Register my PC's new status as a woman with Proventus

Spend the night at the Bannered Mare

Meet with Acolyte Janssen who exchanged her "Ancient Foot Device" boots for high heel medical boots

Meet with Danica, who I think gave her a dilator, told her that the key to her post-op chastity belt had been forwarded to her lover, then sent her to Yorga(sp?) for a fresh makeover of her cosmetics.

The last thing was a game announcement that she was now ready to meet with her lover.

Some of this may be slightly out of order.

 

Edited January 16, 2024 by KentuckyExpat

[Hgpb]

This is great I just need a little guidance. The hairdresser will give me a "preview" that ends up staying in place but the hair makeover will not work as intended keeping me from getting the next appearance buff. Any ideas? Does the light version still have the "special" area piercings? I'm on SSE.

[poopoobutts]

None of the HG Hairdos 2 styles seem to be working for me. The json file for the hairs looks like it's for a completely different set of hairs. It starts with zzz when the hairs begin with o in racemenu. Am I doing something wrong?

[Mehmeme]

Im wondering if it would be possible to add makeup smudge chances for sex scenes and maybe for bathing (like 'bathing in skyrim' bathing, not just swimming)? And maybe even a button just to smudge makeup? I just love the smudged look, but it just doesnt happen enough even on highest chance ;P

Edited January 17, 2024 by Mehmeme

[emily1673]

10 hours ago, KentuckyExpat said:

As I said, "the top item there (the quest log), which has the open diamond that indicates an incomplete action, is "I need to get some rest, maybe in the inn". The game is not acknowledging that Halli has already completed that stage so there is no new stage. Is the "Arched Feet" stage the last one on the high heels training or is there one or more stages to be completed. If so, would that explain why I can't go any further? Also, the two choices related to arched feet in the MCM page for High Heel Training, the two on the right side of the page, are both unchecked if that would make a difference

 

 

Very strange. For diagnostic issues, it would be good to know whether the problem persists when you downgrade to the previous version.

Otherwise, I can only recommend opening the consule and using the "setstage" command to skip one quest stage.

 

9 hours ago, sbvb1290 said:

Does the light version still have the "special" area piercings? I'm on SSE.

I think so. The light version should have everything that is not related to Sexlab + DD.

 

3 hours ago, poopoobutts said:

None of the HG Hairdos 2 styles seem to be working for me. The json file for the hairs looks like it's for a completely different set of hairs. It starts with zzz when the hairs begin with o in racemenu. Am I doing something wrong?

There are different versions of the HG hairstyles. Did you install the ones linked in the description of this mod? HG Hairdos 2 is not included in the YPS mod, I think.

[A Little Kitten]

Hello,

im upgrading the mod (SE) and im trying to replace the old soundtexturepackage (20230506) with the new (230728), but nexus mod manager (community latest version) in uncapable of uninstalling the old one and even installing the new one. so im just stuck with the old.

 

Any idea how to fix it please?

 

 

and don't say "install vortex" or something like that, because i tried those in the past and im just can't fcking work with those.. they dont ask which mods overwrite which files, they just slap all files directly in, not asking anything, i dont fcking get it...

 

thank you for help

[A Little Kitten]

18 minutes ago, A Little Kitten said:

Hello,

im upgrading the mod (SE) and im trying to replace the old soundtexturepackage (20230506) with the new (230728), but nexus mod manager (community latest version) in uncapable of uninstalling the old one and even installing the new one. so im just stuck with the old.

 

Any idea how to fix it please?

 

 

and don't say "install vortex" or something like that, because i tried those in the past and im just can't fcking work with those.. they dont ask which mods overwrite which files, they just slap all files directly in, not asking anything, i dont fcking get it...

 

thank you for help

I leave it here so you can have a laugh

 

i figured it out!

 

disc C is out of space

[KentuckyExpat]

20 hours ago, emily1673 said:

Very strange. For diagnostic issues, it would be good to know whether the problem persists when you downgrade to the previous version.

Otherwise, I can only recommend opening the consule and using the "setstage" command to skip one quest stage.

 

Alright, I disabled version 6.5.5 and reinstalled version 6.5.4.2. Still nothing from Danica and the last stage shown in the quest log remains "I need to get some rest, maybe in the inn".

 If I were to use the "setstage" command in the console what would the next stage number be?

Now I'm wondering if I shouldn't try an even earlier version... 6.5.4? Is it still available? It's not shown on the download page.

 

By the way, when I open the MCM and look at the "Head Hair" page there's an option to change the speed of hair growth. The instructions say that "1" is normal speed, approximately .5 inches per month and "2" kicks it up to five times that rate or 2.5 inches (6.35 cm) per month. My girl's hair is at neck length and the next stage is 10 cm longer which should take about 50 days but if I set the growth rate to 2 and check how long it will take to grow 10 cm the system says 121 days. The system, however, defaults to "5" and, checking in the mirror, it shows that it will take 48 days. I think you might need to reword the instructions.

[Balgin]

46 minutes ago, KentuckyExpat said:

Now I'm wondering if I shouldn't try an even earlier version... 6.5.4? Is it still available? It's not shown on the download page.

That depends on what you mean by available. Do you want 6.5.4.0 or 6.5.4 as those are two different versions. I think the .0 was a quick bug fix for something as it came out the next day. Yes, I have a rather large yps back up folder for some reason (probably related to my autism).

yps-ImmersiveFashion(5.4) FULL.7z yps-ImmersiveFashion(5.4.0) FULL.7z

Edited January 18, 2024 by Balgin

[KentuckyExpat]

9 hours ago, Balgin said:

That depends on what you mean by available. Do you want 6.5.4.0 or 6.5.4 as those are two different versions. I think the .0 was a quick bug fix for something as it came out the next day. Yes, I have a rather large yps back up folder for some reason (probably related to my autism).

yps-ImmersiveFashion(5.4) FULL.7z 993.98 kB · 0 downloads yps-ImmersiveFashion(5.4.0) FULL.7z 1005.44 kB · 0 downloads

Are those for LE or SE? I'm playing the SE version of Skyrim since my LE version of Skyrim is too unstable, i.e. too frequent CTDs, to be useful.

[Psalam]

1 minute ago, KentuckyExpat said:

Are those for LE or SE? I'm playing the SE version of Skyrim since my LE version of Skyrim is too unstable, i.e. too frequent CTDs, to be useful.

If you decide you want to get your LE game more stable:

 

[Balgin]

4 minutes ago, KentuckyExpat said:

Are those for LE or SE? I'm playing the SE version of Skyrim since my LE version of Skyrim is too unstable, i.e. too frequent CTDs, to be useful.

LE. I don't play SE.

[emily1673]

On 1/18/2024 at 7:50 AM, KentuckyExpat said:

Alright, I disabled version 6.5.5 and reinstalled version 6.5.4.2. Still nothing from Danica and the last stage shown in the quest log remains "I need to get some rest, maybe in the inn".

 If I were to use the "setstage" command in the console what would the next stage number be?

Now I'm wondering if I shouldn't try an even earlier version... 6.5.4? Is it still available? It's not shown on the download page.

 

By "earlier version" I mean 6.5.4.2, indeed. Because that version has previously worked for you (as you have said).

Now it no longer works either, that means the bug you encounter that you cannot progress past the "sleep in bed" stage may not be caused by 6.5.4.2, and very likely also not by 6.5.5.

Don't know, maybe you have installed some other mod that changes how beds work.

[emily1673]

On 1/7/2024 at 4:53 PM, SquatsAreLife said:

Thanks Emily for the update! As always highly appreciated.

 

I have been play testing YPS (without the Dibella quest) for a while now. I made some changes for myself to your mod. Maybe you want to change them in general. No pressure though.

 

• The forced dialogue "May I ask.." for nail polish and earrings triggers for followers. That got really too annoying for me. So I added the condition CurrentFollowerfaction = 0. However, I liked it for the other options, like reminder for chipped nails, as it was an additional incentive to get them done.

 

I wanted to revamp (and improve) this feature anyway: NPCs should react to your outfit, and your outfit will cause you to have certain "thoughts", in order to add still more immersion.

 

On 1/7/2024 at 4:53 PM, SquatsAreLife said:

the [try flirting] option, especially with your boyfriend, could be more immersive, as you use it often, depending on how often you specified the time interval in the MCM.  It's just an important part of the experience for me,  especially if you play voiced ?

 

Sure. But how should I word it instead?

 

On 1/7/2024 at 4:53 PM, SquatsAreLife said:

• I wish I could write scripts. A fashion integration for clothes based on keywords would be just mind blowing. It has been suggested before, so nothing new here.

 

To add immersion, it would be great to have a framework mod that works like this:

 

Depending on the following conditions....:

- wearing items with certain keywords

- some papyrus variables set to certain values

- and possibly more...

 

... the player will experience the following:

- Comments by other NPCs

- Player will have "thoughts" (appearing as Notifications)

- Occasionally some Messagebox-Popups appear, to remind the player of something

- and possibly more...

 

An ideally, everything can be customized in .json files (e.g. the text of the notifications and messageboxes, and the frequency of all this happening)

Preferably fully voiced (or have an easy way to add custom voices corresponding the contents of the json files).

 

I did a little bit of that in YPS already (see ypsMessages.json); I know that BoS also as quite a bit.

 

But is there a fully customizable framework mod like this out there?

It should be quite easy to do one for the notifications and messageboxes. Not sure about NPC comments.

Edited January 19, 2024 by emily1673

[ucglow]

Incase anyone wants some more SMP hairstyles into YPS from Dint999 series of hair mods. you will need

 

HairPack02 HDT Skyrim LE 1.1 & SE 1.11 (public) (He has both LE and SE versions)

 

and his BDOr Hairpack, also on his page  https://www.patreon.com/dint999

 

 [Dint999] BDOr_Hairstyles.esp.jsonypsHairDatabase.json[dint999] HairPack02.esp.json 

[Balgin]

20 minutes ago, ucglow said:

Incase anyone wants some more SMP hairstyles into YPS from Dint999 series of hair mods. you will need

 

HairPack02 HDT Skyrim LE 1.1 & SE 1.11 (public) (He has both LE and SE versions)

 

and his BDOr Hairpack, also on his page  https://www.patreon.com/dint999

 

  [Dint999] BDOr_Hairstyles.esp.json 824 B · 0 downloads ypsHairDatabase.json 609 B · 0 downloads [dint999] HairPack02.esp.json 1.57 kB · 0 downloads  

I really should check my partial dint pack 2 config file and see if we agree on lengths :p.