Fallout 4 Discussion Thread

[Jazzman]

[snip for I don't get my information from youtube like U.S. Gen. Breedlove, former commander of NATO in Europe]

 

And I guess I have no right to form my opinion on Bethesda E3 2015 and 2016 either, eh? Because I wasn't there at the E3 show.

It's not about having the right to form an opinion, but about the way in which one gets one which, in turn, has always an impact on the own credibility in public.

[srayesmanll]

When the game's 60 dollars it's risky to spend your hard earned cash  on something that you might not like. Would he better informed if he had played it? Absolutely! But my main point is that it's not like what he's saying is BS, a lot of people who have played the game have similar complaints.

 

Just to be clear, I was not commenting on whether endgameaddiction should/shouldn't speak up/shut up/etc about Fallout 4's crappiness/greatness, only trying to clarify Jazzman's point (hopefully correctly) using your (Mickster) very flawed chef/food analogy.  ega can continue to "spout completely useless drivel"/"provide informed coalesced regurgitated info" all he/she wants as far as I'm concerned (this is the internet after all  ).  Although I do think shouting "this game sucks" from the rooftops without actually playing the game is kinda silly, it's his/her right.  (and also my right to completely ignore ega's posts as well...)

[DocClox]

It's not about having the right to form an opinion, but about the way in which one gets one which, in turn, has always an impact on the own credibility in public.

Nah. You're just angry because he keeps saying mean things about your favorite game, is all. It's nothing to do with how he formed his opinion.

[SIX-SH00T3R]

When the game's 60 dollars it's risky to spend your hard earned cash  on something that you might not like. Would he better informed if he had played it? Absolutely! But my main point is that it's not like what he's saying is BS, a lot of people who have played the game have similar complaints.

 

60 dollars, not even a days work. if you spend more hours than 8 on the game, you have already earned your working time back with entertainment

[Mickster]

 

60 dollars, not even a days work. if you spend more hours than 8 on the game, you have already earned your working time back with entertainment

 

Well, some people are on a tighter budget. I think that having a "just but it and try it out" attitude promotes mediocrity in games.

 

 

 

 

 

Just to be clear, I was not commenting on whether endgameaddiction should/shouldn't speak up/shut up/etc about Fallout 4's crappiness/greatness, only trying to clarify Jazzman's point (hopefully correctly) using your (Mickster) very flawed chef/food analogy.  ega can continue to "spout completely useless drivel"/"provide informed coalesced regurgitated info" all he/she wants as far as I'm concerned (this is the internet after all  ).  Although I do think shouting "this game sucks" from the rooftops without actually playing the game is kinda silly, it's his/her right.  (and also my right to completely ignore ega's posts as well...)

 

 

Fair enough.

 

[Halstrom]

 

60 dollars, not even a days work. if you spend more hours than 8 on the game, you have already earned your working time back with entertainment

Well, some people are on a tighter budget. I think that having a "just but it and try it out" attitude promotes mediocrity in games.

 

And some of those people have no problem justifying spending $50+ a week on alcohol and takeaway food..............

[DocClox]

60 dollars, not even a days work. if you spend more hours than 8 on the game, you have already earned your working time back with entertainment

That rather assumes that an hours of entertainment is worth an hour's wages. If that's the cost of entertainment, then it leaves nothing to pay for the room that you sleep in for the other eight hours that you hopefully spend not working. Or for food. Or transport, so you can get to work and earn the night night's entertainment.

[Halstrom]

 

60 dollars, not even a days work. if you spend more hours than 8 on the game, you have already earned your working time back with entertainment

That rather assumes that an hours of entertainment is worth an hour's wages. If that's the cost of entertainment, then it leaves nothing to pay for the room that you sleep in for the other eight hours that you hopefully spend not working. Or for food. Or transport, so you can get to work and earn the night night's entertainment.

 

Well if you indeed spend 16 hours a day revolving around work and only have 8 hours left 7 days a week for eating/sleeping, no game is of any value because you don't have any entertainment time to play anything.

[Jazzman]

Methinks that I'll just skip the postings of those that show a passion to dislike the Bethesda game that I like by chance, and I liked them all more or less beginning with Morrowind in late 2002. In this way I don't feel the strange need to justify my likes and thus can keep my good mood, undisturbed. Remember, the dogs may bark, but the caravan moves on.

[DocClox]

 

That rather assumes that an hours of entertainment is worth an hour's wages. If that's the cost of entertainment, then it leaves nothing to pay for the room that you sleep in for the other eight hours that you hopefully spend not working. Or for food. Or transport, so you can get to work and earn the night night's entertainment.

Well if you indeed spend 16 hours a day revolving around work and only have 8 hours left 7 days a week for eating/sleeping, no game is of any value because you don't have any entertainment time to play anything.

 

 

Which is why I don't think the math works when SIX=SH00T3R equates one hours work as being equal to one hour's entertainment. You wouldn't be able to afford to eat and sleep, play video games, and work. One of the three would have to go. It couldn't be work and it couldn't be sleep, so no-one would play games.

 

Which raises the question of how much fun are we entitled to expect from a game. I've always found Bethesda games to offer excellent value in this regard, which is one reason I found FO4 so disappointing.

 

Methinks that I'll just skip the postings of those that show a passion to dislike the Bethesda game that I like by chance, and I liked them all more or less beginning with Morrowind in late 2002.

Sounds good to me. I don't suppose I could persuade you to do it quietly, by any chance?

[SIX-SH00T3R]

 

 

That rather assumes that an hours of entertainment is worth an hour's wages. If that's the cost of entertainment, then it leaves nothing to pay for the room that you sleep in for the other eight hours that you hopefully spend not working. Or for food. Or transport, so you can get to work and earn the night night's entertainment.

Well if you indeed spend 16 hours a day revolving around work and only have 8 hours left 7 days a week for eating/sleeping, no game is of any value because you don't have any entertainment time to play anything.

 

 

Which is why I don't think the math works when SIX=SH00T3R equates one hours work as being equal to one hour's entertainment. You wouldn't be able to afford to eat and sleep, play video games, and work. One of the three would have to go. It couldn't be work and it couldn't be sleep, so no-one would play games.

 

Which raises the question of how much fun are we entitled to expect from a game. I've always found Bethesda games to offer excellent value in this regard, which is one reason I found FO4 so disappointing.

 

Methinks that I'll just skip the postings of those that show a passion to dislike the Bethesda game that I like by chance, and I liked them all more or less beginning with Morrowind in late 2002.

Sounds good to me. I don't suppose I could persuade you to do it quietly, by any chance?

 

Well, in my case: I work one day for the loads of entertainment I get from FO4 (way more than 8 hours). If a game fails to entertain me, it's JUST one day spend working for the knowledge that I don't like that game. boo-hoo. Move on.

If you intend to whinge and whine about this game, then at least just do that at the bethesda/fallout forums, not here. You win nothing with it except annoying people who actually do like the game. Why would you want that?

 

Anyway: let's stop the negativity about the games or at least work towards a better game in a constructive way

[srayesmanll]

 

If you intend to whinge and whine about this game, then at least just do that at the bethesda/fallout forums, not here. You win nothing with it except annoying people who actually do like the game. Why would you want that?

 

 

Apparently you have never actually read any of his his FO4 posts.  His has stated numerous times there are parts of the game he loves, some he hates:

 

 

 

Probably. But I still enjoy settlement building. Defending them when I'm deep in a dungeon or the middle of the Glowing Sea, less so. But basically building the towns was something I always enjoyed.

 

 

I don't know about that - there's a lot that Fallout 4 does right. The settlement system is fun; the synergies between the perks and crafting are well thought out; the Special system at least allows you to build a character for a certain play-style, a marked improvement on Skyrim's system which encourages you to play the same build every time through. There's a lot to like about the game. That's maybe why I find its failings so striking.

 

 

Credit where credit's due, FO4 at least tried to get the setting right. We still have post-apocalyptic America, weird robots, retro-futuristic kitsch, 50s B-Movie science, vault suits and Pip-Boys. It's just that, as you say, they seem to have lost sight of what was really important to the franchise. They kept the style and lost the substance. The game has all the trappings of a Fallout, but somewhere along the line, they lost the heart and the soul of the thing.

 

So while DC has been vocal about his dislikes about FO4, he has talked about what he does like about the game.  And why the hell should he "do that at the bethesda/fallout forums"?  How about take your all encompassing love and fanboyism for FO4 and "do that at the bethesda/fallout forums".  No?  Hypocrite - don't tell others to shut up about their dislikes here if you aren't willing to shut up about your likes.

[SIX-SH00T3R]

 

 

If you intend to whinge and whine about this game, then at least just do that at the bethesda/fallout forums, not here. You win nothing with it except annoying people who actually do like the game. Why would you want that?

 

 

Apparently you have never actually read any of his his FO4 posts.  His has stated numerous times there are parts of the game he loves, some he hates:

 

 

 

Probably. But I still enjoy settlement building. Defending them when I'm deep in a dungeon or the middle of the Glowing Sea, less so. But basically building the towns was something I always enjoyed.

 

 

I don't know about that - there's a lot that Fallout 4 does right. The settlement system is fun; the synergies between the perks and crafting are well thought out; the Special system at least allows you to build a character for a certain play-style, a marked improvement on Skyrim's system which encourages you to play the same build every time through. There's a lot to like about the game. That's maybe why I find its failings so striking.

 

 

Credit where credit's due, FO4 at least tried to get the setting right. We still have post-apocalyptic America, weird robots, retro-futuristic kitsch, 50s B-Movie science, vault suits and Pip-Boys. It's just that, as you say, they seem to have lost sight of what was really important to the franchise. They kept the style and lost the substance. The game has all the trappings of a Fallout, but somewhere along the line, they lost the heart and the soul of the thing.

 

So while DC has been vocal about his dislikes about FO4, he has talked about what he does like about the game.  And why the hell should he "do that at the bethesda/fallout forums"?  How about take your all encompassing love and fanboyism for FO4 and "do that at the bethesda/fallout forums".  No?  Hypocrite - don't tell others to shut up about their dislikes here if you aren't willing to shut up about your likes.

 

So he also likes parts, good for him [non-sarcastic]. I was talking in general; I just get sick of people hating all the time.

 

And I said that because Bethesda can actually make it better if they wanted to, and it might help to complain there. here, it does not help anyone at all, it's not even the slightest constructive. And I don't think anyone likes some-one who's being negative. hating = bad & loving =good. no? Just hearing negative things all the time is annoying imho. If you think hearing positive things is not good for you, than there is something severely wrong with you or this world.

 

"Hypocrite - don't tell others to shut up about their dislikes here if you aren't willing to shut up about your likes." Great, we arrived at name-calling! Also, that's just a wrong, skewed and weird comparison. You are judging me for something positive for the sake of judging, because I judged someone for being negative.

Anywho; call me a hippie or whatever, but I don't think we should have a stink-pit of hate here, towards people or a game some people love. I love the folks around here, the modders, the support etc. But these kind of things just suck in this community

 

But like I said, let's move on. This convo is apparently going nowhere.

[Lendova]

 

When the game's 60 dollars it's risky to spend your hard earned cash  on something that you might not like. Would he better informed if he had played it? Absolutely! But my main point is that it's not like what he's saying is BS, a lot of people who have played the game have similar complaints.

 

60 dollars, not even a days work. if you spend more hours than 8 on the game, you have already earned your working time back with entertainment

 

FYI, the minimal salary in my country is 261 euro for an 8 hour job. (middle of europe). And its not even close to a really poor country.

[Jazzman]

[snip/read]

But like I said, let's move on. This convo is apparently going nowhere.

Bingo.

Must have been around New Year that I have stopped listening to demanding settler complaints in game. And at the very moment I've stopped giving feedback to their complaints they stopped complaining. Mysterious, huh?

[DocClox]

If you intend to whinge and whine about this game, then at least just do that at the bethesda/fallout forums, not here. You win nothing with it except annoying people who actually do like the game. Why would you want that?

Ignoring the "whinge and whine" part ... I did talk about the game's shortcomings as I see them on the old Beth forums for a while. Then they locked the Fallout boards to encourage people to take the discussion to bethesda.net. I'm not a fan of that place and refuse to post there, and so here I am. Although frankly Bethesda have probably taken as much notice of my opinions as they're going to by this stage.

 

On the other hand, I find the subject interesting. From a game design point of view, I think FO4 fails in some very interesting ways and that's something I'd quite like to explore. This is a good forum for that. It's filled with bright and friendly people and the dissenting opinion challenges me to re-examine my opinions and thereby come to a better understanding of the game. But that only happens if I occasionally state my opinion.

 

It would be nice if we could keep it polite and courteous of course, but passions occasionally run high, and I expect I'm as bad as anyone in that regard. I still think the conversation is worth having.

 

Apparently you have never actually read any of his his FO4 posts.  His has stated numerous times there are parts of the game he loves, some he hates:

 

Thank you for that. I was going to run through what I saw as the good points but you've saved me the trouble. Much appreciated

[Halstrom]

Regardless of the bad things in FO4 I'd rather play it than no FO4 and so do plenty of others apparently

Some people just enjoy whining more than playing that's why they don't buy the games they whine about. They would have been incredibly bored if FO3, FONV or FO4 were never released and they only had FO2 to play, they'll still be whining when FO9 is released no matter who releases it.

[Mickster]

I think it was Jazzman that said something along the lines of "the more you play a game the more you dislike it". And he/she's right. for me the more I play a game the more I notice its shortcomings.

 

I don't hate Fallout 4, I played it for a few hundred hours now. For me it does some things quite right (combat and exploration) and others quite wrong (writing and roleplaying).

[Guest endgameaddiction]

No ones even mad. Fallout 4 is just a very fun game to make fun of. Especially when the defenders try to justify the bad things about this game and still label it an RPG.

[DoctaSax]

This shit got old months ago.

[srayesmanll]

 

"Hypocrite - don't tell others to shut up about their dislikes here if you aren't willing to shut up about your likes." Great, we arrived at name-calling! Also, that's just a wrong, skewed and weird comparison. You are judging me for something positive for the sake of judging, because I judged someone for being negative.

Anywho; call me a hippie or whatever, but I don't think we should have a stink-pit of hate here, towards people or a game some people love. I love the folks around here, the modders, the support etc. But these kind of things just suck in this community

 

 

"Hypocrite" makes you that butthurt? 

Just to note, I was actually going to type the word "Hypocritical" and stopped too soon...

 

 

 

Also, that's just a wrong, skewed and weird comparison

Really?  You're telling someone to stop posting on a thread about Fallout 4 discussions because you don't agree with their opinion.  I was suggesting you do the same.  How is that a weird comparison?  I suggested doing EXACTLY what you suggested doing.  I am not judging you for doing "something positive" - I am "judging" you for telling someone to basically shut up because you don't want to hear their opinion.  You don't agree with it, so therefore DC should post somewhere else according to what you posted.  Nowhere in the OP of this thread does it say "only post good things to avoid the butthurt".  It is titled with "Discussion".  It's an adult word that means that negative AND positive points can be brought up and should be talked about preferably in an adult manner.  And several times DC has added to the discussion by discussing both the positives AND the negatives.  You apparently feel there are no negatives so you get annoyed when someone points out what they feel is a negative.  Well, too bad.  And asking them to leave is not a "something positive" as you claim, just one step away from sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "I not listening!!!!" at the top of your lungs.

 

 

 

But these kind of things just suck in this community

This is only because some refuse to have an adult discussion and revert to "whining and whinging" when someone doesn't agree with another person's opinion.

 

 

And just to note, the only reason I'm in this thread in the first place is read discussions about the good AND bad points of the game from people who have actually played the game before I decide to invest/blow a $60+ (60+season pass or buying dlc individually) investment into another game.  This is why I tend to ignore the "hater" posts from certain individuals that have never played FO4 and just regurgitate other people's opinions.  I also ignore the fanboy posts that basically say "Bethesda is god and haters can go away".

 

 

This shit got old months ago.

Yep.

[Guest endgameaddiction]

Yep, this is a discussion. You have all the right to ignore what ever I say. You fall the for bait because you want to.

 

I can (if I really really wanted to but gosh that is just so borrrrrring) have a mannerly discussion about this, but the reason why I act like a chimpanzee about it is because I know I'm bound to get under people's skin. It's what I do. I live up to my title.

 

[sarcasmoff]

Fallout 4 has some things that seem fun and interesting to me. But not enough for me to consider it a good game. It's got long hours of entertainment. Probably great to explore like their previous games. They do, do a good job on their landscape for the most part that makes it very interesting to wander around. For me, Fallout 3 was phenomenal on doing that. The destruction of the historical monuments. The landmarks and artifacts were just awesome. Most don't argue that Fallout 3 had a very good world to explore. And I'm pretty sure that Boston holds up to that as well.

[/sarcasmoff]

 

See what I did there? I spoke good things about this game, but no one will complain about that. Even though I've never played the game.

[Halstrom]

Yep, this is a discussion. You have all the right to ignore what ever I say. You fall the for bait because you want to.

I can (if I really really wanted to but gosh that is just so borrrrrring) have a mannerly discussion about this, but the reason why I act like a chimpanzee about it is because I know I'm bound to get under people's skin. It's what I do. I live up to my title.

Yep he never contributes anything constructive or positive, just here to troll, time to see how ignore list works

[Tombs]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask this but

Anyone here know why my outfits are doing this?

[Spyder Arachnid]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask this but

Anyone here know why my outfits are doing this?

 

More suited for tech support, but to answer your question, looks like you used BodySlide on your body, but forgot to do the same for your armors/clothes. You have to use BodySlide on your armor/clothes as well to get it to fit to your new body shape.