Fallout 4 Discussion Thread

[DigitalP]

Is it just me or does this boondogle appear have increased performance since the DLC?

[Lolimonster]

Tiny question.

Is there any change fallout 4 will boom with mods or i just should forget about it, and play skyrim ?

[rogue886]

It`s improved with mods that`s for sure

[yamayashi]

So, what's going on with Sexlab and Fallout 4? Haven't heard any news at all

[Guest]

 

Last 3 DLC have been announced.

2 more workshops in the next 2 months followed by Nuka World n August.

 

Are these included in the season pass or do i need new season pass ?? 

 

 

They are included.

[Guest endgameaddiction]

Tiny question.

Is there any change fallout 4 will boom with mods or i just should forget about it, and play skyrim ?

 

Mods will make the game better, but trust me, the game sucks. I suggest googling fallout 4 or on youtube and look at videos for yourself. They are very essential to giving you a great look at what the game is.

 

You don't need to own the game to know it sucks when you can do so much research on this game like any other game now a days on the net.

[garg]

 

Tiny question.

Is there any change fallout 4 will boom with mods or i just should forget about it, and play skyrim ?

 

Mods will make the game better, but trust me, the game sucks. I suggest googling fallout 4 or on youtube and look at videos for yourself. They are very essential to giving you a great look at what the game is.

 

You don't need to own the game to know it sucks when you can do so much research on this game like any other game now a days on the net.

 

 

I tend not to post in threads of games I don't like and there's so many! Just a waste of time if I don't like them! I think perhaps you might actually really like the game!

 

[DocClox]

I tend not to post in threads of games I don't like and there's so many! Just a waste of time if I don't like them! I think perhaps you might actually really like the game!

I can't speak for anyone else, but I know I don't post in threads about games that I don't care about. That doesn't necessarily mean I like them

[Halstrom]

Mods will make the game better, but trust me, the game sucks. I suggest googling fallout 4 or on youtube and look at videos for yourself. They are very essential to giving you a great look at what the game is.

 

You don't need to own the game to know it sucks when you can do so much research on this game like any other game now a days on the net.

"I don't like a game = it sucks" ................

[Guest endgameaddiction]

Sorry man but the truth is the truth. People and their sugarcoating the facts when the facts speak for itself. Bethesda made many people hate FO4 because they took away all the essential things that made Fallout a unique game among others and the RPG that it once was. That's a fact, not a opinion. It's your choice if you want to play a dumb down Fallout game simply because it can be heavily modded and super sexified.

 

I don't like the game, and I told the guy to look at videos so that he can witness it for himself. He can easily disagree, it's perfectly fine on his end. But the truth remains.

 

The game can be fun to roam around in. The combat can be fun. And the building and weapon customization can be super fun and all but if that's all that matters from a game over the things that used to matter such as story, which varies because it's a mixed opinion from people who liked FO3 story and not New Vegas vice versa. But when I'm locked/forced into a story as a fixed character and I cannot for the life of me be who I want to be, it's taken away a big choice when that big choice used to exist and was one of the major essentials in their Fallout series.

 

If Fallout from the start was made exactly like Fallout 4, and I don't mean voiced character, I mean a locked personafied character that made you play exactly as that role, than I wouldn't have any reason to hate or argue with the protagonist in Fallout 4. But it went from what it was meant to be to we want to follow the trend and be like other game developers.

 

Change is good when it's needed, but a voiced protagonist and locked with 4 meaningless choices is not an improvement. It's not a step forward for this particular franchise. At least in the way they developed it. Especially when your games are relied upon heavy mod community.

 

I did the poster a favor and told him the truth. Nothing more. Nothing less. He can figure it out if it's true or just a personal vendetta.

[Halstrom]

Sorry man but the truth is the truth. People and their sugarcoating the facts when the facts speak for itself. Bethesda made many people hate FO4 because they took away all the essential things that made Fallout a unique game among others and the RPG that it once was. That's a fact, not a opinion. It's your choice if you want to play a dumb down Fallout game simply because it can be heavily modded and super sexified.

 

I don't like the game, and I told the guy to look at videos so that he can witness it for himself. And it did it to piss off a SJW as well.

Why don't you just go play a game you do like instead of continually whining about games you don't like, sorry man its the truth, you're just whining LAKTC

[Spyder Arachnid]

-snip-

 

This does sound like a personal issue, not you "trying to speak the truth". I mean, first off, if you don't like a certain game, then why peruse a forum dedicated to that game? Seems like a waste of your time. Unless of course you just love to look for any opportunity to complain.

 

As you mentioned, the game is fun to roam around in. The combat is fun. And building and weapon customization is super fun. That's about 80% of the game and some times, all they care about. The story is all personal opinion, as some like it, and some don't. Though Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas also had a fixed character, you just had the illusion of choice in those games. You can't "be who you want to be" in either of those games.. either. In Fallout 3 you were the Lone Wanderer in search of your Father to finish Project Purity. In New Vegas you were the Courier in search of revenge on Benny for stealing your package. In Fallout 4, you're the Sole Survivor in search of your kidnapped son. You can join factions and pick different endings in all these games. It's the same premises in all of them.

 

To some the story telling might not of been as good as previous games, but that's all personal opinion. As well, New Vegas wasn't even a Bethesda game. It was done by Obsidian Entertainment. So it is going to be different from Fallout 3 and Fallout 4.

 

I don't see any truth being spoken, I just see your personal opinion of the game.

[Guest endgameaddiction]

No, no. If you are telling me the removal of skills, degradation (weapon/armor), speech check, dumb down dialogue choices, and their awful interpretation of voiced protagonist thought out make Fallout 4 a good game, that's a flat out lie.

 

Combat and mindcraft building does not make up in any form for this game in a good way, It does not even par with the previous titles. Not even close.

 

Yeah, I hate this game. It's obvious. But those things I've mentioned are facts. The game is horrible. The people who enjoy the game simply enjoy it because they are simple people who can enjoy anything not caring about what the game was meant to be. Their line of thinking is pretty much "i'll buy this game because i know mods will make it better" even though that to an extent that is true but it doesn't justify how bad of a game Fallout 4 really is.

 

Those bad choices are not a step forward in the game series. Not every new decision is for the greater good. They made very poor choices and those choices were made for the new fans who don't care to think and read. Just point and shoot. Just point and build. Just point and craft.

 

Like Skyrim, weapons have become useless. because they serve no purpose other than being a rat pack and selling all of them to gain immense amounts of caps. If they are even worthwhile to loot for caps. Same with armor.

 

Repair system is thrown out the window just like degradation. Karma and Reputation  are thrown out the window. Skill system which benefited speech check is thrown out the window. The story isn't that great, but what makes it even worse is that you don't have any true choices to make. You are given 4 choices that unravel voiced dialogue of things you probably didn't expect or wanted your character to say.

 

weapon mods, lego building and combat system do not have any comparison. Those features do not make Fallout 4 superior at all. They crippled the game with these bad choices. Which make this game ultimately a bad game because Fallout was not about building things. It wasn't heavily focused on the combat system over RPG.

 

I have not found a Fallout 4 fan that could come up with a solid truth as to why Fallout 4 is an awesome game. Yep, mods will enhance the experience. They always do, but it doesn't justify the truth,

[panthercom]

 I bought the game, I enjoyed playing the game. I bought the game fully knowing that the corporation

that made the game did not make it to please me, they made it to make money, because that is the

purpose of their existence. I got hundreds of hours of entertainment from the game, and it was a good

value for the money when looking at the dollars spent vs hours of entertainment. As an added bonus

it comes with free tools for modifying the game, which will probably work reasonably well at some point

in the future. Did I experience an awesome moment of leaving the vault like I did in Fallout 3? No, I did

not, but to be fair, I have become jaded from playing games for so long, and even more jaded from

customizing various games in ways the developers never imagined. I will probably remain jaded even

with future releases, because that is what happens when you get old, short of having the game initiate

a blowjob from a very attractive woman while I am playing.

 

 At some point in the future I hope to be able to mod Fallout 4 in all sorts of weird and wonderful ways,

and I'm really looking forward to that, because I love the world that the Bethesda artists created and

I would like to spend a lot more time in that world. Until that day comes I will try to make myself useful

to others, and perhaps even hasten progress on some interesting mods, because I still have HOPE,

even at my world-weary age, in the wonderful ingenuity of my fellow humans... and honestly, constantly

complaining about something you intend to do nothing about is counter-productive and annoying to

others who actually DO THINGS.

[Spyder Arachnid]

Yeah, I hate this game. It's obvious. But those things I've mentioned are facts. The game is horrible. The people who enjoy the game simply enjoy it because they are simple people who can enjoy anything not caring about what the game was meant to be. Their line of thinking is pretty much "i'll buy this game because i know mods will make it better" even though that to an extent that is true but it doesn't justify how bad of a game Fallout 4 really is.

 

So because you hate this game, it is a fact that this game is horrible. And since we are enjoying ourselves, that must mean we are simpletons who are blinded and can't see the truth. Right.....

 

Again, you are stating personal opinions. I don't see any facts here. Did Bethesda make a statement saying this is designed to be a terrible game and I missed it? No? Then you are stating your opinion on why this is a terrible game, not facts.

 

Sorry, but before I start spouting off some random nonsense, I actually like to see things for myself. You haven't even played this game, you're just reading other people's reviews of why they dislike it and watching a few videos. So you're basically just being a sheep and following the hate wagon, cherry picking all the negative review to feed your hunger. I actually used to think negatively about this game as well before it came out, until I took it upon myself to buy it and try it out with a clear mind before judging it. This way, I actually have a legitimate claim to base my argument upon, instead of letting others feed me information that I want to hear.

 

Again, you don't even play this game, so why are you even here exactly? If you hate something so much, then why do you come here to the Fallout 4 section? Is it just to troll and complain? Because from some of your previous posts, that is exactly what you are enjoying doing. Just stirring up the pot for your own entertainment. How about you leave this discussion to the people who have actually played this game and formed their own opinions from their own experiences, instead of blindly following the hate train and letting them make decisions for you?

[Guest endgameaddiction]

I'm not an idiot consumer to spend money on a product on something that I don't like simply to state my opinion on it when there's plenty of evidence out there to form my opinion on. And once again it's a fact.

 

But don't worry, when the time comes, I'll play this game for free and I know I'll be right.

[jussmee]

at first I was disappointed with some of the stripped stuff from previous games but the combat is pretty much the same if not better, Especially since theres a survival mode now.  I lost my save so I have to start all over again but its still a fun game. 

[Jazzman]

I'm not an idiot consumer to spend money on a product on something that I don't like simply to state my opinion on it when there's plenty of evidence out there to form my opinion on. And once again it's a fact.

 

But don't worry, when the time comes, I'll play this game for free and I know I'll be right.

 

So you form your opinion based on opinions of others and not on your own game experience and sell us the adopted opinion of others that might have no own experience either as... fact? Do you perhaps think this is air we're breathing here? Hmmm...

[panthercom]

I'm not an idiot consumer to spend money on a product on something that I don't like simply to state my opinion on it when there's plenty of evidence out there to form my opinion on. And once again it's a fact.

 

But don't worry, when the time comes, I'll play this game for free and I know I'll be right.

 

 You could also choose to listen to everyone who says that having sex is noisy, messy, painful, smelly and a

complete waste of time and decide sex is not for you before you even try it, and then repeat those 'facts'

to anyone who will listen

[Mickster]

Yeah, but it's not like his/her complaints are BS. It can be a fun looter shooter and the game world is interesting to explore but it's a pretty lackluster RPG and writing is pretty simplistic overall. It's the game with the least RP elements out of any Elder Scrolls or Fallout game Bethesda has made, there's a lot of stuff it did wrong.

[Jazzman]

Yeah, but it's not like his/her complaints are BS. It can be a fun looter shooter and the game world is interesting to explore but it's a pretty lackluster RPG and writing is pretty simplistic overall. It's the game with the least RP elements out of any Elder Scrolls or Fallout game Bethesda has made, there's a lot of stuff it did wrong.

You can't complain about things you ain't experienced in, advised by hearsay knowledge, this is just wrong, to put it diplomatically.

Seemingly you have never met those NPCs that think of themselves as being Synth b/c they have killed beloved ones in a mental blackout, right? What these NPCs state when the protagonist talks about his own fatal experience back then in Vault 111 is always the same - 'in these damned days only the family matters'. And that is your role, not perhaps the color of your char's hair or her boob size - you are a fuckin parent now, face it. And that is already the reason why so many people dislike Fallout 4, unable to cope with the complicate theme and unlike Fallout3 they can't hide their latent disinterest in the own family anymore. Social skills /w the pants down is, thus, what we get informed of w/o ever having asked for.

[Mickster]

You can't complain about things you ain't experienced in, advised by hearsay knowledge, this is just wrong, to put it diplomatically.

 

 

It's not black and white though: if a chef serves you a dish that smells horrible and tastes even worse I'm pretty sure if I told you you can't complain because you're no chef you'd tell me to fuck off. And rightfully so.

 

For all the potential the story and writing could have had because the themes are very interesting they railroad you into most situations offering only a few simplistic choices along the way. There's barely any choice and consequence. When your dialog options boil down to yes, grumpy yes (maybe even a no if you're lucky), sarcastic yes and inquiring yes then you don't really have lot of depth in your own character development. It's not that the overall game theme is "2deep4you", it's quite the opposite, it's that the game treats you like an idiot, it's that you're only given a real choice in the final part of the game.

 

Compare this to what you got in New Vegas where you are the courier who got attacked because of the package you were supposed to deliver. Again you didn't exactly have a clean slate but you could dick over people from Goodsprings right off the bat if you wanted, manipulate people, influence the outcome of quests and situations based on your character's reputation, skills and perks. And it was all well thought out. In Fallout 4 90% of the times you feel like the game forces you into the knight in shining armor role.

 

On a more positive note though, I feel they improved in Far Harbor in that regard and things were more grey which left me with quite a good impression of it to be honest. I hope Nuka World is in the same vein. Even in the Vault Workshop DLC you are given more interesting options it would seem (I don't want to spoil it).

[srayesmanll]

It's not black and white though: if a chef serves you a dish that smells horrible and tastes even worse I'm pretty sure if I told you you can't complain because you're no chef you'd tell me to fuck off. And rightfully so.

 

I think Jazzman is saying (using your analogy) that it's hard to take someone's complaints seriously about the chef's cooking when the complainer has never actually been IN the restaurant to begin with ...

[Mickster]

When the game's 60 dollars it's risky to spend your hard earned cash  on something that you might not like. Would he better informed if he had played it? Absolutely! But my main point is that it's not like what he's saying is BS, a lot of people who have played the game have similar complaints.

[Guest endgameaddiction]

Thank goodness for things like youtube and fraps/bandicam. It really helps one decided whether a game is good or bad when you look at videos that are legit in the review and complaint department.

 

And I guess I have no right to form my opinion on Bethesda E3 2015 and 2016 either, eh? Because I wasn't there at the E3 show.