A little warning to mod creators of non adult mods....

[nutluck]

 

Get a patreon and ask for donations. If people really want to play your mods that bad, they'll give you money so they can.

I'm actually legitimately curious, and this is to everyone on this site: If Sexout or SexLab or whatever had a donate button or a Patreon link or whatever beside it, how many people here would actually use it?

 

 

My guess is very few. When I have seen others like Gopher for example put up a patreon account they tend to get about 1% of their followers or less donating. I imagine it would be the same here but maybe I would be wrong.

[zippy57]

Can everyone please give a big round of applause to this guy for doing it right?

[Redflyingmonkey]

 

I'm actually legitimately curious, and this is to everyone on this site: If Sexout or SexLab or whatever had a donate button or a Patreon link or whatever beside it, how many people here would actually use it?

 

 

I'm pretty sure if Ashal sorts out one day this donation problem (I think I read that he has a hard time finding a platform that accepts donations made to something akin to a porn website), he'd receive in a month way more money than any modder on Steam in a year. Maybe less than Valve though 

[Zor2k13]

That review thing is probably gonna be tied up for a long time. Lawyers love to make money, right now a bunch of companies are probably considering their legal options like autodesk for one.

I was just thinking what happens when all this shit comes to a critical point and any sites hosting unauthorized mods or content for skyrim and whatever else comes out get dmca notices? Of course this site is known to the industry their employees probably play some of the mods from here just don't talk about it anywhere. So what happens when this place gets a dam dmca? Change hosting to some far out place like sychelis?

[badbat111]

That review thing is probably gonna be tied up for a long time. Lawyers love to make money, right now a bunch of companies are probably considering their legal options like autodesk for one.

I was just thinking what happens when all this shit comes to a critical point and any sites hosting unauthorized mods or content for skyrim and whatever else comes out get dmca notices? Of course this site is known to the industry their employees probably play some of the mods from here just don't talk about it anywhere. So what happens when this place gets a dam dmca? Change hosting to some far out place like sychelis?

 

maybe not if that comes to happen ash can change the name and lookout of the site so to unregistered members it looks like a site that is tied to a love story of frankenstiens monster and his wife but to registered members its a porn site with mods

[zippy57]

I was just thinking what happens when all this shit comes to a critical point and any sites hosting unauthorized mods or content for skyrim and whatever else comes out get dmca notices?

Any chance of modding becoming that severely locked down is quite a long ways off.

[Zor2k13]

That would be bad since no one else would register that would care to make anything and only company goons would register.

@zippy57

 

It may be a long way off but it will happen just look at wow history.

[torkenstiem]

i have all respect for the time and hard work  modders put into beth games to make them more enjoyable to play and even more so,  to actually get the games to run. i gotta hand it to steam/valve and whoever else is involved in this scheme, that if theyre intensions were only to gangrape the modder by feedin him/her peanuts for all their work while they themselves get richer off practically free labor. im probably done with steam because, if im gonna pay for a game that hardly works unless its modded and then i have to pay for the bugfix along with it, then im hooped.

[badbat111]

i just thought they cant do jack shit to this site no one makes a profit people still do free mods on steam so they have no footing in this site they can throw tantrums but cant do a thing since this site isnt making money its a modding community where free mods are made

[ZaZ]

 

Get a patreon and ask for donations. If people really want to play your mods that bad, they'll give you money so they can.

I'm actually legitimately curious, and this is to everyone on this site: If Sexout or SexLab or whatever had a donate button or a Patreon link or whatever beside it, how many people here would actually use it?

 

Doubt, Many would use it 

 

I just want to know if anyone's uploaded it to the workshop yet.

If they do ,This seems to be the right way of going about things 

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=430718983

[zippy57]

It may be a long way off but it will happen just look at wow history.

How do you even go about modding an MMO?

[zzz72w3r]

Nexus had advanced warning as we all did if you looked at the latest Changelog to the Workshop and Creation Kit, and those mods in the launch package also knew in advance, which is why even though Fostfall was completed long ago and Chesko was done with it, now he's making a new version of it and that Camping mod is the "Core" of the new Frostfall.

That's why Dark one posted about it, Seriously this was the plan when Skyrim went on Steam Workshop originally.

This was the initial reason the Nexus expanded to it's multiple game mode to start with, they expected it long ago, but Zenimax Media (=Bethesda Softworks) made a mess of the Workshop Launch as usual and instead of Steam becoming the center of Skyrim Modding, it just made Nexus bigger than ever.

Zenimax Media (=Bethesda Softworks) will also have updated the Skyrim EULA to "Permit them to charge for Mods.

Even if the Bethesda Game Studios (BGS) Developers hate this, they can do nothing as Zenimax Media (=Bethesda Softworks) are the "AAA" Publisher and they make all the decisions not the devs, who are just employees.

 

Thing is this isn't even actually about Skyrim they botched this at first and use Skyrim now to test the response, it's about Fallout 4 and TES 6. They will be on a new engine with modding restricted to Steam Workshop in some online DRM type way.

The only reason they are doing it to Skyrim is to get the Flaming done beforehand, they seriously think PC gamers will accept this.

 

The real problem is many Mod Authors think they deserve Paying for "Their Mods", the reality is modding is a community that has built on what came before, where is the line drawn.

Where did they learn too mod, whose knowledge and tools enabled them to mod, things like SkSE, TES5Edit, LOOT, Mod Organizer, Wrye Bash and many more indirectly vital mods.

Who helped with Bug Fixing and helped the noobs on the forum. How many get a Share of the spoils.

 

Sell ing Mods is impossible, because it's not a mod when paid for it's DLC and as STeam and Bethesda are taking cash for that DLC they must support it, in Europe if not the US.

Mod Author becomes an Indie Developer and equally obliged to provide support to the entitled customers, they sold a product to.

 

^ Well said.  Just sticky sticky this post whenever the topic comes up again.

 

 

For my 0.02:

 

In micro-transaction based models, it has bee established that 5-10% of players are responsible for 50-90% of revenue.  In mods, likely 5-10% of the mods will be responsible for 90% of the revenue and that's all Bethesda, the publisher, cares about.  The ecosystem for modding Bethesda games has enough established talent that the company can easily withstand the loss of modders on their pay platform.

 

Best case scenario going forward for FO4 and beyond, modding will splinter to Steam/other-publisher-sanction platforms with pay wall and online check vs. underground scenes using jailbreak games with the publisher actively going after the latter.  Unfortunately LL will never be accepted by the publishers and will likely need to go underground or fade out.  Sadly this is the best scenario.

 

Worst case scenario is that game asset management is moved to server so jailbreak will be practically impossible, ala Diablo III.  Unfortunately this is also the likely scenario because it does address the technical support and quality control issue of mods, not to mention it's the most effective DRM ever.

 

[gooberboy9999]

 

Any chance of modding becoming that severely locked down is quite a long ways off.

 

 

Biggest problem is the division it's already causing.  Many modders are legitimately angry that their assets and work are being used in pay for mods, and they weren't even asked about it.  So many mods are so interdependent these days that I don't understand how this could have possibly worked in the first place.

 

 

Doubt, Many would use it 

 

 

 

I would for you <3

 

[ZaZ]

 

 

 

Doubt, Many would use it 

 

 

I would for you <3

 

Awww, thanks thats really Kind of you , But it was opinion  based on experience 

[Zor2k13]

Was just reading something at 4ch someone says that at some point most or all games will have minimal effort put into making them and the modders will be contracted to finish the game which would save the company a lot of time and they could crank out another half ass game in the same year.

 

@zippy57

 

I meant to say starcraft 2 remember the mod tools lol?

[torkenstiem]

well the indusry has been against the mod community for awhile now and this is probly away to turn everyone against each other by allowing the use/sales of stolen mods and ideas.

 

 

 

or the use of other ppls mod in their mod i mean

[Erundil]

Wow. I don't even...

 

It's obvious what's gonna happen:

a) how ppl will upload "pirate versions" of mods (putting that in quotes, because it doesn't even make sense to me)

how tons of ppl will stop modding

c) how creativity of newly created mods will go down

d) how the mod market will get flooded with overpriced lousy companion mods (actually anything above $0 is "overpriced in my opinion...)

But that was probably already stated many times here. Didn't really read the whole topic, so let's not dwell on it.

 

What bothers me more:

Can anyone explain to me, how those payed mods stand with Skyrim EULA?

How is Bethesda ok with selling mods when their EULA clearly states that you can't sell mods or anything else created with their software?

[zippy57]

 

Any chance of modding becoming that severely locked down is quite a long ways off.

Biggest problem is the division it's already causing.  Many modders are legitimately angry that their assets and work are being used in pay for mods, and they weren't even asked about it.

 

If they're actually including the assets made by others in the paywall mod, then that's actually illegal. But if they just tell them to download some other mod, then that's not. And while it's perhaps a questionable action, it's not mechanically any different from someone downloading the other mod for any other reason and while I can certainly understand some level of annoyance, I don't really see how it's objectively a bad thing.

 

Best case scenario going forward for FO4 and beyond, modding will splinter to Steam/other-publisher-sanction platforms with pay wall and online check vs. underground scenes using jailbreak games with the publisher actively going after the latter.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions here considering this is your "best case scenario". We can speculate all we'd like but there's no evidence to suggest that the next Bethesda release is going to handle modding any differently, and certainly not to that extent. Watch your step on that slope, it's slippery.

 

I meant to say starcraft 2 remember the mod tools lol?

No, actually. Starcraft 2 isn't really my type of game.

 

well the indusry has been against the mod community for awhile now and this is probly away to turn everyone against each other by allowing the use/sales of stolen mods and ideas.

The fact that Bethesda specifically creates and distributes tools for modding is a fairly good indication that they support it.

[Zor2k13]

Yep, remember cs? lasted forever until steam came along but in some places can still be found using won network kinda sorta.

 

The industry is scared of a repeat of cs! that game was too much power in the hands of gamers, big huge maps by todays standards and so many options and host your own servers too! We will never see the likes of that again. When closet space is the normal map size it is time to quit playing those games.

[fizzybutt]

What a lot of these new mod creators that think they're going to be a quick buck are going to be in for a surprise if they make enough and have to deal with the taxes at IRS time. How many of them are going to know what to do or what forms to file, and if they're out of country, dealing with country tax and whatever else hiccups. 

 

I'm still pissed off that Valve had the nuts to say 'Well, it's out there, fair game..." (Basically fuck IP rights of the little guys, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SOME MONEY!!!") And I'm super pissed off that the modders went:

 

 

 

 

It stinks, all of it. people want to make monies, I do, you do, everyone does. There's other ways to get it done without Beth and Valve fucking piggybacking and taking the lions share. It just smells like molding rotten conspiracy to money grub off of peoples hard work without lifting a damn finger.

[zippy57]

a) how ppl will upload "pirate versions" of mods (putting that in quotes, because it doesn't even make sense to me)

Which has already been done, and should be remarkably easy.

 

how tons of ppl will stop modding

I don't really see this one. I see losing mods to paywall-only, but I don't think people will stop modding just because other people are getting paid and the're not even though they could but they don't want to.

 

c) how creativity of newly created mods will go down

Again, this one doesn't really make much sense. I have no doubt that:

d) how the mod market will get flooded with overpriced lousy companion mods

is quite likely, but Sturgeon's Law has always affected the modding community just as much as it affects everything else. This isn't going to be a change, really.

 

let's not dwell on it

Too late.

 

How is Bethesda ok with selling mods when their EULA clearly states that you can't sell mods or anything else created with their software?

Well, it's Bethesda's EULA. I think Bethesda can change it if they want to.

[Zor2k13]

These are desperate times for game companies they just keep making one half assed flop after another and console sales are shit now. I expect to see more desperate moves in the near future.

[Serithi]

Not digging through 8 pages to see if this was responded to, so...

 

 

Wet and Cold - while the recommend cost is 5 dollars if you look it is under a pay what you want and you can choose how much you pay. You can pay as little as 1 dollar for it.

Wet and Cold was free last week.  Now it's five bucks.  Did he update it?  Improve it?  Nope.  Same mod.  Now five bucks.

 

Yeah, fuck him.

 

Before you go around spewing vitriol, did you bother to actually check the mod pages? The new Workshop version is in fact updated to v2.0, Nexus one's only v1.422. Changelog's right here https://sites.google.com/site/modsbyisoku/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/wet-and-cold/changelog

 

Do i agree with this whole thing? Not right now, still waiting to see how it goes. But check your facts next time.

 

 

Also, jesus people, enough with the "I bet the Nexus is next" posts. The Nexus has made its position very goddamn clear, they're not doing this, place is staying free and donations are appreciated but optional. Whatever you might think about the Nexus, you have to hand it to them that they're keeping out of this.

[torkenstiem]

yea youre right about betnesda influencing mods but i was thinkin about EA and Bioware. havent they hada big issue about game modders

recently? just wonderin if this is a loaded gun steam placed in the hands of the mod community.

[badbat111]

just think if they pissed off the wrong person like a hacker they could hack into steams bank drain it dry and give the money to charaty so steam loses out not to mention those who sell mods would as well