vipermagi Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Having worked for the U.S. gov't in one of it's three letter agencies doing legally questionable things with computers, I am confident I can prevent any attempt Windows 10 might (and I seriously doubt that is their goal) make to gather P.I. The Windows 10 upgrade does not invalidate your current Windows License, it is not a mandatory upgrade even if you sign up for it. You have two install options, you can either apply the upgrade to your current install, or you can burn the given ISO file to a DVD and reformat your HD or install it on a totally new HD or even duel boot it with your old windows install. If you were a part of the Windows 10 Beta program, in order to not invalidate your full copy, you must keep alpha updates enabled (I am extremely skeptical of Microsoft's ability to enforce this), normal users however will be able to install whatever updates they so choose like normal. If you upgrade from a Home edition, you get a Home edition, and the same is true with Pro to Pro, Enterprise however will have to pay for their license. Enterprise updates will also come after the Home and Pro updates. Microsoft is now making Enterprise updates mandatory on the go because (presumably) they don't want to support un-patched systems. They are stating that the new updates will be tested on the home users to determine suitability for the Enterprise users... This is a very dumb mind set as there is a gulf of differences between a huge number of home computers and a corporate network. There are a number of reasons I can see Microsoft making this change, and not a few of them being idealistic pipe dreams. To name only two, this will save them a tremendous amount of time, effort, and money in the corporate scene by no longer having to support old systems, it's either update or fix it yourself. This also greatly increases the number of home computers running windows, there was a time not very long ago in which if your home computer wasn't running Windows, it wasn't compatible with anything, but since then Apple has gotten a bigger share back and all the flavors of Linux have only gotten better since. Hell, I have a laptop running Free BSD.
...0... Posted July 27, 2015 Author Posted July 27, 2015 New update on forced WU M$ released a tool to hide drivers you don't want. http://wccftech.com/how-to-block-windows-10-updates/ This Wccf so not sure if this valid?(but i hope so it's good step in right direction) Still stay on fence see how it all develops won't upgrade untill im sure WU not force drivers plus how much they spying on your system. How cloud is integrated(i absolutely don't want it) How everything is implemented and forced upon.
NoxTM Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 I sacrificed myself.. (lol, not really). I upgraded to Windows 10, this morning. So far, it's really good. All Files are intact, all programs and games seem to work. Even my heavy modded Skyrim runs without any issues [MO works fine too btw]. (Tested SWTOR, ESO, Skyrim and Witcher 3 so far) There is only one thing i don't like and that is the fact that (if you don't disable it) windows/microsoft is able to scan not only your browsing history but even every single key you press on your keyboard. BUT! luckily there is an option to disable it.. during the installation and of course also later in the settings. If you aren't super paranoid (hope i don't offend anybody with that) - I personally would say there is nothing against an upgrade. You can of course wait until the end of July 2016. Installation takes about 30-45 minutes (download time excluded). If you have any questions, feel free to ask,
RitualClarity Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 I sacrificed myself.. (lol, not really). I upgraded to Windows 10, this morning. So far, it's really good. All Files are intact, all programs and games seem to work. Even my heavy modded Skyrim runs without any issues [MO works fine too btw]. (Tested SWTOR, ESO, Skyrim and Witcher 3 so far) There is only one thing i don't like and that is the fact that (if you don't disable it) windows/microsoft is able to scan not only your browsing history but even every single key you press on your keyboard. BUT! luckily there is an option to disable it.. during the installation and of course also later in the settings. If you aren't super paranoid (hope i don't offend anybody with that) - I personally would say there is nothing against an upgrade. You can of course wait until the end of July 2016. Installation takes about 30-45 minutes (download time excluded). If you have any questions, feel free to ask, It is today for United States. I believe it is up and running pretty much as we speak now if not soon. Required spec https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications
ToJKa Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 There is only one thing i don't like and that is the fact that (if you don't disable it) windows/microsoft is able to scan not only your browsing history but even every single key you press on your keyboard. BUT! luckily there is an option to disable it.. during the installation and of course also later in the settings. Wait, what? Windows 10 comes with a built-in keylogger?
Rayblue Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 There is only one thing i don't like and that is the fact that (if you don't disable it) windows/microsoft is able to scan not only your browsing history but even every single key you press on your keyboard. BUT! luckily there is an option to disable it.. during the installation and of course also later in the settings. Wait, what? Windows 10 comes with a built-in keylogger? I quote thou fanbois -- "Install Linux Problem Solved".
ToJKa Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 There is only one thing i don't like and that is the fact that (if you don't disable it) windows/microsoft is able to scan not only your browsing history but even every single key you press on your keyboard. BUT! luckily there is an option to disable it.. during the installation and of course also later in the settings. Wait, what? Windows 10 comes with a built-in keylogger? I quote thou fanbois -- "Install Linux Problem Solved". Unless you want to play games with it
RitualClarity Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 There is only one thing i don't like and that is the fact that (if you don't disable it) windows/microsoft is able to scan not only your browsing history but even every single key you press on your keyboard. BUT! luckily there is an option to disable it.. during the installation and of course also later in the settings. Wait, what? Windows 10 comes with a built-in keylogger? I quote thou fanbois -- "Install Linux Problem Solved". Unless you want to play games with it For serious work.. install FreeBSD or Linux... use the official repositories. for play.. install Windows. (any flavor). If windows wants to see me frantically press the left mouse button.. keep W depressed etc. They are more than welcome to that info lol. I just haven't been able to make the full transfer over to Linux/FreeBSD yet. So many choices.. (besides that Umbuntu.. )
tenzan Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 I sacrificed myself.. (lol, not really). I upgraded to Windows 10, this morning. So far, it's really good. All Files are intact, all programs and games seem to work. Even my heavy modded Skyrim runs without any issues [MO works fine too btw]. (Tested SWTOR, ESO, Skyrim and Witcher 3 so far) There is only one thing i don't like and that is the fact that (if you don't disable it) windows/microsoft is able to scan not only your browsing history but even every single key you press on your keyboard. BUT! luckily there is an option to disable it.. during the installation and of course also later in the settings. If you aren't super paranoid (hope i don't offend anybody with that) - I personally would say there is nothing against an upgrade. You can of course wait until the end of July 2016. Installation takes about 30-45 minutes (download time excluded). If you have any questions, feel free to ask, What's the keyscan called? Windows <Insert something funny> Experience? Also, is there an option to completely remove any 'shop/store' sort of reference? Know nothing recent about Win10, but I'm guessing there might be store links in WMP and hidden around elsewhere. 'Welcome to Control Panel, visit the store to buy new themes?'
...0... Posted July 29, 2015 Author Posted July 29, 2015 I´ll wait i have the update ready but data mining and keylogger concerns me plus WU forced it still seems. Back when i bought win8.1 i needed to buy it because my pc HDD crashed and could only buy a win home edition at time on dvd. Now it seems win home can´t hide updates fuck this. Fuck windows store also. Then i wait to update until i can he he.
Buddy Christ Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 It seems like the old saying is true: There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. I will wait a bit longer, probably until shortly before the deadline until I upgrade. We will see how many changes, fixes and SPs will be out until then
NoxTM Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 No hidden links to the store.. There is just the normal shortcut to it in the Start Menu. That's it. The "keylogger" doesn't have a name. It's the 3rd option in the privacy setting. Description says that's they log your keyboard in order to enhance the "Input and write functions" (rough translation to english). Anyway.. note that you CAN disable everything - you just can't use Cortana to the full extend then. Sorry for late response.
doctorpaveleer Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 I'll stick with 7 and Arch dual boot. Windows 10 looks like Microsoft Android. It seems they have not learned their lesson from 8. It also seems like it would be very time consuming to gut out all the bundled spyware.
NoxTM Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Not really time comsuming, you can do it during the installation. It does even ask you what are okay with.. Anyway.. it's easier to try it yourself. Often things LOOK different as they are. I'm happy with windows 10 and see no reason to not upgrade. You have 30 days time to change back to your old OS.. after this your Windows 7/8 license turns into a Windows 10 license. Give it a try.. and if you don't like it, switch back.
PsychoMachina Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 That 'data mining' and 'keylogger' feature are going to be interesting. Not that I favor them, but I'm sure hackers are finding ways to exploit them among other potential weakness.
pinky6225 Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Installed Win 10 Pro okay (was automatically pro as i had win 7 pro) They have managed to make windows even uglier though and their does not appear to be any classic/windows 7 theme Currently trying to work out how to display all my applications as it did previously in the task bar without having them in alphabetical order
vipermagi Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 To address a few points brought up since Windows 10 release, and as a caveat, I have not had the opportunity to upgrade, and will be taking that into account. The lack of a Windows 7 theme (which Windows 8 doesn't have either) will be solved via free third party software. For Win8 I am using classic shell, freely available and all it does is restore the shell to something less tablet and more desktop. The key logging and data mining options are worrisome, though appear to be able to be disabled. The truly worrying part is that these options are enabled by default and must be turned off, which means people who just click next without reading or are technologically deficit, won't know how to//be able to turn them off. I am less worried about the fact that Windows might not LET you completely disable them, as even as we speak it is being decompiled and checked by people far smarter than me, and if it turns out Microsoft isn't as honest as they would like us to believe, there will be a third party freely available software that will fully disable or block it's ability to be used against you. I don't like that Microsoft is forcing the home users to get every update with no option to disable, although I do understand why they went that direction. It is a relatively easy thing to work around.
ToJKa Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Built in adware, and additional payment to get rid of ads in built-in games? Yeah, fuck you and your free upgrade, Microsoft. So, when's Windows 11 coming out? Though the keylogger apparently was a feature only in the preview builds for gathering usage data.
...0... Posted July 29, 2015 Author Posted July 29, 2015 I won't upgrade leaning towards stopping with internet or going linux don't know yet. Have HIDE windows 10 as update it's WORSE then i thought. Quote: Microsoft has renewed its Privacy Policy and Service Agreement. The new services agreement goes into effect on 1 August 2015, only a couple of days after the launch of the Windows 10 operating system on 29 July. The new “privacy dashboard” is presented to give the users a possibility to control their data related to various products in a centralised manner. Microsoft’s deputy general counsel, Horacio Gutierrez, wrote in a blog post that Microsoft believes “that real transparency starts with straightforward terms and policies that people can clearly understand”. We copied and pasted the Microsoft Privacy Statement and the Services Agreement into a document editor and found that these “straightforward” terms are 22 and 23 pages long respectively. Summing up these 45 pages, one can say that Microsoft basically grants itself very broad rights to collect everything you do, say and write with and on your devices in order to sell more targeted advertising or to sell your data to third parties. The company appears to be granting itself the right to share your data either with your consent “or as necessary”. A French tech news website Numerama analysed the new privacy policy and found a number of conditions users should be aware of: By default, when signing into Windows with a Microsoft account, Windows syncs some of your settings and data with Microsoft servers, for example “web browser history, favorites, and websites you have open” as well as “saved app, website, mobile hotspot, and Wi-Fi network names and passwords”. Users can however deactivate this transfer to the Microsoft servers by changing their settings. More problematic from a data protection perspective is however the fact that Windows generates a unique advertising ID for each user on a device. This advertising ID can be used by third parties, such as app developers and advertising networks for profiling purposes. Also, when device encryption is on, Windows automatically encrypts the drive Windows is installed on and generates a recovery key. The BitLocker recovery key for the user’s device is automatically backed up online in the Microsoft OneDrive account. *(ONLINE?)WTF?!?! Microsoft’s updated terms also state that they collect basic information “from you and your devices, including for example “app use data for apps that run on Windows” and “data about the networks you connect to.” Users who chose to enable Microsoft’s personal assistant software “Cortana” have to live with the following invasion to their privacy: “To enable Cortana to provide personalized experiences and relevant suggestions, Microsoft collects and uses various types of data, such as your device location, data from your calendar, the apps you use, data from your emails and text messages, who you call, your contacts and how often you interact with them on your device. Cortana also learns about you by collecting data about how you use your device and other Microsoft services, such as your music, alarm settings, whether the lock screen is on, what you view and purchase, your browse and Bing search history, and more.” But this is not all, as this piece of software also analyses undefined “speech data”: “we collect your voice input, as well your name and nickname, your recent calendar events and the names of the people in your appointments, and information about your contacts including names and nicknames.” But Microsoft’s updated privacy policy is not only bad news for privacy. Your free speech rights can also be violated on an ad hoc basis as the company warns: “We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to”, for example, “protect their customers” or “enforce the terms governing the use of the services”. So much for clearly understandable and straightforward terms of service. Microsoft Privacy Statement https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/priv...t/default.aspx Microsoft Services Agreement https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/serv...t/default.aspx Windows 10, Microsoft and your personal data: what you need to know (only in French, 11.06.2015) http://www.numerama.com/magazine/333...ez-savoir.html Microsoft provides privacy dashboard ahead of Windows 10 launch (04.06.2015) http://www.pcworld.com/article/29321...10-launch.html This is my personal take on privacy but i won't go lengthy discsussion why because majority just won't understand and come with reason i will be annoyed so better no talk about why i don't up grade i jut show you what per 1 of AUGUST privacy again have changed to WORSE. Wish i could upgrade for DX 12 but my privacy weight alot more then fancy DX12 had planned new graphics card fury x but cancelled. Good luck with windows 10 i stay with wondows 8.1(going linux maybe?)
chajapa Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 I run windows in Boot Camp on a mac mini (yeah I know.... but it plays Skyrim pretty well). I'm a retired university IT guy. Actually I did hardware (server, network equipment) configuration and purchases, but.... The ONLY thing I do in Windows is play Skyrim. I was a linux user since 2005, but last year switched to a mac just because I didn't want to be fiddling with stuff so much. So far.... it's been a fine experience. OS X is (loosely now) based on BSD Darwin and the shell is still there. And the mac mini is tiny and quiet (my computer is in the living room!). Anyways... it looks like Boot Camp, while not officially supporting Windows 10 yet, works just fine with it. HOWEVER.... I'll proabably hold off updating for quite a while. I'm running Win7 and it's been rock solid and it doesn't look like a dogs ass covered with sticky notes.
...0... Posted July 29, 2015 Author Posted July 29, 2015 Well my windows 8.1 also runs fine and it's at least fully supported untill 2023 so i have time
RitualClarity Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 I run windows in Boot Camp on a mac mini (yeah I know.... but it plays Skyrim pretty well). I'm a retired university IT guy. Actually I did hardware (server, network equipment) configuration and purchases, but.... The ONLY thing I do in Windows is play Skyrim. I was a linux user since 2005, but last year switched to a mac just because I didn't want to be fiddling with stuff so much. So far.... it's been a fine experience. OS X is (loosely now) based on BSD Darwin and the shell is still there. And the mac mini is tiny and quiet (my computer is in the living room!). Anyways... it looks like Boot Camp, while not officially supporting Windows 10 yet, works just fine with it. HOWEVER.... I'll proabably hold off updating for quite a while. I'm running Win7 and it's been rock solid and it doesn't look like a dogs ass covered with sticky notes. For what you do.. I am sure you realize you don't need to upgrade at all likely for years being an retired IT guy. Well my windows 8.1 also runs fine and it's at least fully supported untill 2023 so i have time I don't see the need to upgrade until you have to. If Win7 or 8 or even 8.1 is working great. Why mess with it? The only encouragement is to get the free upgrade. However us tech savvy people can image off the old OS.. Upgrade.. create an image and then restore the old one anytime and continue on and when needed upgrade . Some can even use dual boot. However.. I am reluctant to have duel boot Win OS's because I believe it is possible that not only would 10 read its drive it could in essence read the dual boot as well. .
PsychoMachina Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Simple solution to NSA's...*cough-cough*...I mean...*cough*... Microsoft's endearing privacy policy. A win10/Linux dual-boot system. Use windows for innoculous activities (gaming, hmmm...yeah, gaming) and use Linux for private activities. Well, maybe simple to those who are familiar with Linux. EDIT OOPS! Just read Ritualclarity's comment. If win10 can read the partition containing the Linux OS, can it make any sense of the data since Linux uses the ext4 filesystem. Even so, encrypting that partition can be a possible solution.
chajapa Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Ritualclarity, yeah.... and if I remember correctly.... there's a way to let your machine download the files but not install them and the files already contain what's needed to burn an ISO so you could wipe your hard drive and install clean. So I'll collect the files, burn the iso and then do nothing. My current thinking is.... if you have Win7, don't upgrade to 10. I have win7 Enterprise. They apparently see it as Pro though because I believe Enterprise they want you to buy a license.
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