fishburger67 Posted August 13, 2015 Author Posted August 13, 2015 Well, i installed this Mod again and i have to say its much more fun, i don't need to grab 2 followers, i get them delivered, nice^^ But there is one bug which i reported already when i first time tried this Mod a long time ago. Its not a bug in this Mod, but a buggy animation. I'm in the Quest "It's a trap" when Archerone wants to whip my PC, but i guess he suddenly got Alzheimer and lumbago, he forgot to wear the whip and he can't move his upper body so much. Reloading doesn't help, this bug will appear again and again, i even waited 10 minutes (RL Time) and watched him shaking his upper body, but nothing happens. So i need to know how i get past that stage of the quest. Once again, MiasLair has NO BUGS. This sequence with Archerone has been run thousands of times without issue. The problem you are experiencing is the result of your game/papyrus engine being overloaded. If you fix those problems (dumping some of the mods that are overloading your system or cleaning up your save), you will save yourself many problems as you journey through skyrim. Start by making and analyzing a papyrus log. Use SaveTool.exe and/or PDT on your saves. If you really can't be bothered cleaning your game, look at the troubleshooting spoiler on the home page for how to skip this scene. I never said that your Mod has bugs as you can see in my post, i said that this animation doesn't run as intended (and this happened in the past with many Mods which i used, SD+ for example). If the animation did not run, that would be a bug. However, the animation does run on 99.9% of the setups on which it has been tried. These animations not running for you is a problem with your mod load. You need to pick an choose which mods you cannot live without (prioritizing by how much papyrus load the mod inflicts) and get rid of the ones you can live without. Doing so will fix this problem for you as well any other mods you might try in the future. Please note that I am not trying to be argumentative. I am trying to help you get this mod and others to work properly. Also, I am assuming that you ran FNIS after the install and it reported no errors. Hi im stuck at turning mia and vess into slaves Volkan dosent repond to anything i have 2 slave hanging in chains and i can beat them to get them down but volkan whont do anything.... remove dead bodies/tell me how to turn ppl into to slaves or tjeck on them... what do??? Use the MCM menu to reduce the slave training difficulty. But, even at the lowest setting, it still takes a couple of real time hours. Note that Volkar will not do anything for you except give them the ecstasy spell after you have reached a certain point or put them on a torture device if you ask to reduce their willpower (which you should do at your earliest opportunity).
controols Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 Ok thanks for the quick reply iguess i will have to invest some time what about the tjeck progress or cleanup dead bodies function? since he wasent responding to anything i thought something had broke. EDIT: Nvm 2-3 quickloads and everthing works great. Thanks agian
Samson Nite Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 I am using Wrye Bash and Mias Slave esp files behaves like esm file. It won't go down the list. Is it normal?
Buffmutti Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 Well, removed everything which wasn't needed (including a "broken" 1H Sword animation replacer from XP32), cleaned the savegame and still the whipping animation won't start correctly. The Papyrus log starts with many warnings and some errors about undress scripts for several cities (wtf? for what is that needed? and which mod uses that? no clue), then several warnings and errors from SexLife, then somewhere there is the line "Sex Slaves Initialize ...False". Maybe that savegame is already fucked up and i'm not in the mood to start a new game now, so i will disable Sex Slaves for now and enable it again if i start a new game (which happens rather often xD). I hope i manage to fix that problem, coz i really want to play with your Mod...and i am eager to meet Andrew
fishburger67 Posted August 14, 2015 Author Posted August 14, 2015 I am using Wrye Bash and Mias Slave esp files behaves like esm file. It won't go down the list. Is it normal? It is a master file. It is an esp by name only. It is named .esp because if I named it .esm, everyones saves would have been broken. So, it belongs near the top with the other masters. Well, removed everything which wasn't needed (including a "broken" 1H Sword animation replacer from XP32), cleaned the savegame and still the whipping animation won't start correctly. The Papyrus log starts with many warnings and some errors about undress scripts for several cities (wtf? for what is that needed? and which mod uses that? no clue), then several warnings and errors from SexLife, then somewhere there is the line "Sex Slaves Initialize ...False". Maybe that savegame is already fucked up and i'm not in the mood to start a new game now, so i will disable Sex Slaves for now and enable it again if i start a new game (which happens rather often xD). I hope i manage to fix that problem, coz i really want to play with your Mod...and i am eager to meet Andrew You'll love Andrew. Post your log as an attachment (the complete unedited thing) and let me have a look. Did you run the save through SaveTool.exe and press the Fix # and Fix Instances buttons? Ok thanks for the quick reply iguess i will have to invest some time what about the tjeck progress or cleanup dead bodies function? since he wasent responding to anything i thought something had broke. EDIT: Nvm 2-3 quickloads and everthing works great. Thanks agian Sounds fishy to me. Check your saves with SaveTool. You shouldn't be using quicksave ever BTW, they are known to occasionally have issues.
Buffmutti Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 Well, here is the Papyrus log from a Savegame directly in front of the Door which leads to the trap. Papyrus.0.log Its a rather short log, because i wasn't far away from that animation.
ReiseReise Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 Ah, thanks for the info, I am just glad that it was not on my end after all, this issue was driving me crazy! Edit: Btw as I was going through pretty much every remark of Sasha and Jenny in Whiterun I noticed that Sasha has the wrong subtitle for her location based comment, unfortunately I Can't recall the exact wording but it was interchanged with Jenny's comment where she begins with "Whiterun, such fond and terrible memories...". If you can write down what the comment was, I can find it. Otherwise, there are over 500 lines for Sasha across 3 quests. Looking at every one is tedious. It is the comment where she states: "Whiterun, so pretty and warm and friendly, I like it here. Let's stay a while master."
Akumashe Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) Every time I start the game with this mod (and yep, installed slow and calm one by one to try figure it out), the game totally ape dies as soon as the character creation is about to start (boot to desktop). The mods I got installed is; CBBE FNIS Behavor FNIS Creature pack FNIS Spells KS Hairdos 400 Mias Lair Piercings for CBBE SexLab Aroused SexLab Framework SkyUI Unofficial Dawnguard patch Unofficial Dragonborn patch Unofficial Heartfire patch Unofficial High resolution patch Unofficial Skyrim Patch XPMS ZazAnimation Pack (+patch) Feels like Im missing something here... Closer inspection seems to point out KS Hairdos 400 as the main culprit... is this possible to run without that? Edited August 14, 2015 by Akumashe
controols Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 Hi i cleaned up my save game whit savetool and and everything was running smooth but now im stucked again on the Visit Vernor quest i bought the slave/follower for 2000 and so on.. but the quest is stuck at visit Vernor still cant progress the only thing a can talk to him about is buying some slave in the back in a cpl of years...
nyctophilia Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 Every time I start the game with this mod (and yep, installed slow and calm one by one to try figure it out), the game totally ape dies as soon as the character creation is about to start (boot to desktop). The mods I got installed is; CBBE FNIS Behavor FNIS Creature pack FNIS Spells KS Hairdos 400 Mias Lair Piercings for CBBE SexLab Aroused SexLab Framework SkyUI Unofficial Dawnguard patch Unofficial Dragonborn patch Unofficial Heartfire patch Unofficial High resolution patch Unofficial Skyrim Patch XPMS ZazAnimation Pack (+patch) Feels like Im missing something here... Closer inspection seems to point out KS Hairdos 400 as the main culprit... is this possible to run without that? I would suggest using the latest version of race menu. It will pre-cache the hair mods, which in turn will keep your system from running out of memory all at once and CTD. And/or use the latest "MIasLairHairPack51.7z"
WaxenFigure Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 Every time I start the game with this mod (and yep, installed slow and calm one by one to try figure it out), the game totally ape dies as soon as the character creation is about to start (boot to desktop). The mods I got installed is; CBBE FNIS Behavor FNIS Creature pack FNIS Spells KS Hairdos 400 Mias Lair Piercings for CBBE SexLab Aroused SexLab Framework SkyUI Unofficial Dawnguard patch Unofficial Dragonborn patch Unofficial Heartfire patch Unofficial High resolution patch Unofficial Skyrim Patch XPMS ZazAnimation Pack (+patch) Feels like Im missing something here... Closer inspection seems to point out KS Hairdos 400 as the main culprit... is this possible to run without that? Have you enabled the memory patch in SKSE? Without that patch the game is unlikely to be stable.
Ankahet Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 Allright, so took a deeper look into what was causing the issues. Turns out it was a directory issue, as well as a couple of mods colliding. NOTE: Unless you are very carrful...zazresourcesand zazdata will screw zazanimations up big time. Observation: The voice triggers during animations and sexual acts seem to sometimes overlap. Also, when you are beating Mia, she will say 3 things, and none of them sound like the same person, I have also noticed this to be the case with valerie. The only two consistent females ive experienced otherwise this far were Niri and Vess. Suggestion: Possibly look into redoing Archerone's voice, or get a new voice actor. Not meaning to offend, but I had a good laugh at him, as he sounds like the bad guy from an old kids cartoon. I cannot take him seriously and it totally ruins the immersion.
fishburger67 Posted August 14, 2015 Author Posted August 14, 2015 Well, here is the Papyrus log from a Savegame directly in front of the Door which leads to the trap. Papyrus.0.log Its a rather short log, because i wasn't far away from that animation. Thanks for taking the time to do this. I noted a couple of things. First, who is "Sarah Zene"? I see her getting locked down in the script, but do not see her as a follower. Next, I see SexLife messing with things. I have never seen this mod in a log file before. Not sure if it has any impact, but can you try disabling it to see of that has an effect. You have errors related to Bathing in Skyrim. There are a considerable number of posts in various forums concerning CTDs related to its use. I have no experience with this mod. Perhaps others do and can offer recommendations. As you noted earlier, there are lots of errors related to scripts missing. The ones like TBWindhelmUndressScript are particularly problematic. I have searched the internet, but I cannot find where this script comes from. Can you try to remove them? I am assuming that you already did the savetool thing. PTD might be a better choice.
fishburger67 Posted August 14, 2015 Author Posted August 14, 2015 Ah, thanks for the info, I am just glad that it was not on my end after all, this issue was driving me crazy! Edit: Btw as I was going through pretty much every remark of Sasha and Jenny in Whiterun I noticed that Sasha has the wrong subtitle for her location based comment, unfortunately I Can't recall the exact wording but it was interchanged with Jenny's comment where she begins with "Whiterun, such fond and terrible memories...". If you can write down what the comment was, I can find it. Otherwise, there are over 500 lines for Sasha across 3 quests. Looking at every one is tedious. It is the comment where she states: "Whiterun, so pretty and warm and friendly, I like it here. Let's stay a while master." Fixed. I was lazy here and used the same dialog line for two voices. They are now split up and work correctly. Thanks for finding this
fishburger67 Posted August 14, 2015 Author Posted August 14, 2015 Hi i cleaned up my save game whit savetool and and everything was running smooth but now im stucked again on the Visit Vernor quest i bought the slave/follower for 2000 and so on.. but the quest is stuck at visit Vernor still cant progress the only thing a can talk to him about is buying some slave in the back in a cpl of years... If you have turned in the Jarls Daughter to Ravenclone, you visit Vernor briefly and he sends you on to Volkar. You should have a quest marker on Volkar if you make that quest active.
fishburger67 Posted August 14, 2015 Author Posted August 14, 2015 Allright, so took a deeper look into what was causing the issues. Turns out it was a directory issue, as well as a couple of mods colliding. NOTE: Unless you are very carrful...zazresourcesand zazdata will screw zazanimations up big time. Observation: The voice triggers during animations and sexual acts seem to sometimes overlap. Also, when you are beating Mia, she will say 3 things, and none of them sound like the same person, I have also noticed this to be the case with valerie. The only two consistent females ive experienced otherwise this far were Niri and Vess. Suggestion: Possibly look into redoing Archerone's voice, or get a new voice actor. Not meaning to offend, but I had a good laugh at him, as he sounds like the bad guy from an old kids cartoon. I cannot take him seriously and it totally ruins the immersion. Glad you got things runnning. Sadly, we have only two female voice actresses ATM, Darkminxi (Jenn Winglow) and Carida (Sasha), and both of them are getting burned out with all this stuff. If I ever get the time, maybe I'll use that voice site and see if I can replace Mia and Valerie voices. In the mean time, maybe one of you with lots of free time could clean up the voice directories FemaleSultry, FemaleEvenToned and FemaleYoungEager so they are at least all the same. FemaleYoungEager was originally audacity tweaked Alicia Painslut voicework. To that, I added some of Coridas work for the missing stuff. FemaleSultry is all fucked up. I put Linda voice work in there, and then later, Jenny and probably some Sasha stuff as well. These files are all in ...\SteamApps\common\Skyrim\Data\sound\voice\MiasLair.esp/xxx subdirectories if anyone wants to full with them. You need FuzExtractor. to convert the .fuz files to the separate wav and lip files. When moving these files, make sure you move both the lip and wav files as a pair.
Ankahet Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 Allright, so took a deeper look into what was causing the issues. Turns out it was a directory issue, as well as a couple of mods colliding. NOTE: Unless you are very carrful...zazresourcesand zazdata will screw zazanimations up big time. Observation: The voice triggers during animations and sexual acts seem to sometimes overlap. Also, when you are beating Mia, she will say 3 things, and none of them sound like the same person, I have also noticed this to be the case with valerie. The only two consistent females ive experienced otherwise this far were Niri and Vess. Suggestion: Possibly look into redoing Archerone's voice, or get a new voice actor. Not meaning to offend, but I had a good laugh at him, as he sounds like the bad guy from an old kids cartoon. I cannot take him seriously and it totally ruins the immersion. Glad you got things runnning. Sadly, we have only two female voice actresses ATM, Darkminxi (Jenn Winglow) and Carida (Sasha), and both of them are getting burned out with all this stuff. If I ever get the time, maybe I'll use that voice site and see if I can replace Mia and Valerie voices. In the mean time, maybe one of you with lots of free time could clean up the voice directories FemaleSultry, FemaleEvenToned and FemaleYoungEager so they are at least all the same. FemaleYoungEager was originally audacity tweaked Alicia Painslut voicework. To that, I added some of Coridas work for the missing stuff. FemaleSultry is all fucked up. I put Linda voice work in there, and then later, Jenny and probably some Sasha stuff as well. These files are all in ...\SteamApps\common\Skyrim\Data\sound\voice\MiasLair.esp/xxx subdirectories if anyone wants to full with them. You need FuzExtractor. to convert the .fuz files to the separate wav and lip files. When moving these files, make sure you move both the lip and wav files as a pair. Ill take a look. Ive got way too many audio programs that can pull that stuff apart. Isuppose part of it probably a publicity thing,as to why there are so few female voice actors. But the ones youve gott, are quite lovely.
ReiseReise Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 Sadly, we have only two female voice actresses ATM, Darkminxi (Jenn Winglow) and Carida (Sasha), and both of them are getting burned out with all this stuff. I am very sad to hear this. If they find any comfort in it I can say Jenny and Sasha are easily in the top 5 of my all-time favourite followers (and I am very picky about my followers) primarily because of the superb voice acting so their hard work is very much appreciated and I am sure not only by me but by many others! I can't imagine playing Skyrim without the two by now and they really are the main reason why I am still so much into this mod and why I am so excited about every update.
edgarrice Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 @fishburger I've been looking into text to speech software a little bit. The free stuff is poor, but some of the commercial stuff might be usable. One option is the "SpeakIt" plugin for the Chrome browser. It's a web service (you must be plugged into the net) and the text it reads must be visible on a public website (it won't read from a file on your machine, and even though you highlight the desired text in your browser, it seems to read it directly from the site). It doesn't sound bad, though, and it is free. That leaves you with the issue of capturing the sound and cleaning it up. Have a look at this site: http://www.naturalreaders.com/index.html That's a demo area where you can enter some text and test various voices. The underlying voices are from AT&T Natural Voices, which seem to be used by various products. For $70 you get a couple of voices, more voices are $40 each. There seem to be other Natural Voices based products, I have no idea how to pick one over another, but I think the playback would be the same (I think people just write different front ends to the ATT API). Simple text to speech will never win any acting awards. There are some more academic packages if you are the Henry Higgins type. Totally over my head. I suspect you could write a script and apply annotations to give the proper pauses and inflections, then play it though various voices. If any of those packages use the commercial voices that actually sound decent, I haven't found them.
Buffmutti Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 Well, here is the Papyrus log from a Savegame directly in front of the Door which leads to the trap. Papyrus.0.log Its a rather short log, because i wasn't far away from that animation. Thanks for taking the time to do this. I noted a couple of things. First, who is "Sarah Zene"? I see her getting locked down in the script, but do not see her as a follower. Next, I see SexLife messing with things. I have never seen this mod in a log file before. Not sure if it has any impact, but can you try disabling it to see of that has an effect. You have errors related to Bathing in Skyrim. There are a considerable number of posts in various forums concerning CTDs related to its use. I have no experience with this mod. Perhaps others do and can offer recommendations. As you noted earlier, there are lots of errors related to scripts missing. The ones like TBWindhelmUndressScript are particularly problematic. I have searched the internet, but I cannot find where this script comes from. Can you try to remove them? I am assuming that you already did the savetool thing. PTD might be a better choice. Sarah Zene is my PC xD The name is a pun with the german word "Sarazenen" which means Saracen in english It should be no problem to disable SexLife, that whole Mod is about NPC-NPC Sex (and i have doubts that i need THAT in Mia's Lair xD) Disabling Bathing in Skyrim shouldn't be a problem too (to be honest, i have no idea why i even installed it, its fun in the beginning but soon it becomes annoying and in Mia's Lair i have not so much places where the PC could bath) I used both, savetool and PTD, PTD found these missing scripts too, but couldn't tell from which Mod they were.
fishburger67 Posted August 14, 2015 Author Posted August 14, 2015 Sarah Zene is my PC xD The name is a pun with the german word "Sarazenen" which means Saracen in english It should be no problem to disable SexLife, that whole Mod is about NPC-NPC Sex (and i have doubts that i need THAT in Mia's Lair xD) Disabling Bathing in Skyrim shouldn't be a problem too (to be honest, i have no idea why i even installed it, its fun in the beginning but soon it becomes annoying and in Mia's Lair i have not so much places where the PC could bath) I used both, savetool and PTD, PTD found these missing scripts too, but couldn't tell from which Mod they were. Some of it is from Bathing in Skyrim. However, I have no idea where the TBxxCityxxUndressScript is coming from. Maybe Sacremas is monitoring and might chim in. Sadly, we have only two female voice actresses ATM, Darkminxi (Jenn Winglow) and Carida (Sasha), and both of them are getting burned out with all this stuff. I am very sad to hear this. If they find any comfort in it I can say Jenny and Sasha are easily in the top 5 of my all-time favourite followers (and I am very picky about my followers) primarily because of the superb voice acting so their hard work is very much appreciated and I am sure not only by me but by many others! I can't imagine playing Skyrim without the two by now and they really are the main reason why I am still so much into this mod and why I am so excited about every update. Thanks so much for the kind words. I completely agree. When I get the time to play Skyrim, I never go anywhere without Sasha and Jenny. They are my favorite all time Skyrim companions. P.S. You'll be please to know that I'll soon have some more dialog to release for them, @fishburger I've been looking into text to speech software a little bit. The free stuff is poor, but some of the commercial stuff might be usable. One option is the "SpeakIt" plugin for the Chrome browser. It's a web service (you must be plugged into the net) and the text it reads must be visible on a public website (it won't read from a file on your machine, and even though you highlight the desired text in your browser, it seems to read it directly from the site). It doesn't sound bad, though, and it is free. That leaves you with the issue of capturing the sound and cleaning it up. Have a look at this site: http://www.naturalreaders.com/index.html That's a demo area where you can enter some text and test various voices. The underlying voices are from AT&T Natural Voices, which seem to be used by various products. For $70 you get a couple of voices, more voices are $40 each. There seem to be other Natural Voices based products, I have no idea how to pick one over another, but I think the playback would be the same (I think people just write different front ends to the ATT API). Simple text to speech will never win any acting awards. There are some more academic packages if you are the Henry Higgins type. Totally over my head. I suspect you could write a script and apply annotations to give the proper pauses and inflections, then play it though various voices. If any of those packages use the commercial voices that actually sound decent, I haven't found them. I couldn't agree more about the acting part. It's not too hard just reading the line, but putting emotion in it in the right way is what makes these characters come to life. I can't imagine any of these canned voices could do some of these lines with emotion: Uggg, don't tell me you're horney again Oooo master, I wondered when you'd come to me with that need in your eyes. Come on pussy boy, you can do better than that! etc Edit, try either of the last two lines in the service you linked.
EinarrTheRed Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 I couldn't agree more about the acting part. It's not too hard just reading the line, but putting emotion in it in the right way is what makes these characters come to life. I can't imagine any of these canned voices could do some of these lines with emotion: Uggg, don't tell me you're horney again Oooo master, I wondered when you'd come to me with that need in your eyes. Come on pussy boy, you can do better than that! etc Edit, try either of the last two lines in the service you linked. And that's really the problem with any computer generated voice, they just don't do emotion very well if at all. Natural human voices tend to be more melodic with changes in pitch and speed based on emotional content. Computer generated voices generally just can't match that. You can somewhat approximate it by doing some manual editing to add in some changes to pitch and speed, but its a pain in the ass and time consuming and the results still aren't that great. Like the old line goes, "ain't nothing like the real thing baby."
Buffmutti Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 Ok, checked with the Papyrus log which Mods produce all these errors and Bathing in Skyrim is innocent. It was a Mod called Northern Bathhouses, 4 modded Hearthfire Houses, AFT (which suddenly produced some missing scripts errors) ...AND.....the Unofficial Skyrim Patches (all of them, coz only then they are able to produce the maximum of chaos). I got rid of the Northern Bathhouses and the 4 Hearthfire Houses, but i don't want to disable AFT (have to find out why it suddenly produces errors) and i don't know what i should do with the Patches, coz they are needed for many Mods. I started a new game (the old one was too much filled with crap which even the savetool couldn't remove), next step will be to enable your Mod again, level up to level 15 and check if the animation now runs smooth. But not now, i'm tired and i'm not in the mood to do the whole stuff from the beginning again.
coronerra Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 Hello, I am not an sS&M style person but I was referee to this mod and have to say, dispite the S&M, this is actually pretty cool. I'm only having one issue. I decided to play the story line all the way through and figured I'd try Serana as my trainee subject. No matter how much I beet or screw her, she seems to constantly be the same. Is there a way to console a trainee to have been beaten and fucked enough to be ready for bonding/binding/whatever so that the become a slave?
ReiseReise Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 Thanks so much for the kind words. I completely agree. When I get the time to play Skyrim, I never go anywhere without Sasha and Jenny. They are my favorite all time Skyrim companions. P.S. You'll be please to know that I'll soon have some more dialog to release for them, Yay, I am looking forward to it, always happy to see more content! Ok, checked with the Papyrus log which Mods produce all these errors and Bathing in Skyrim is innocent. It was a Mod called Northern Bathhouses, 4 modded Hearthfire Houses, AFT (which suddenly produced some missing scripts errors) ...AND.....the Unofficial Skyrim Patches (all of them, coz only then they are able to produce the maximum of chaos). I got rid of the Northern Bathhouses and the 4 Hearthfire Houses, but i don't want to disable AFT (have to find out why it suddenly produces errors) and i don't know what i should do with the Patches, coz they are needed for many Mods. I started a new game (the old one was too much filled with crap which even the savetool couldn't remove), next step will be to enable your Mod again, level up to level 15 and check if the animation now runs smooth. But not now, i'm tired and i'm not in the mood to do the whole stuff from the beginning again. I am unsure if this could be related to your problems but since version 2.1.2 of the Unofficial Patches there are issues at least with Skyproc and Mod Organizer (for further clarifications read the sticky post on the Nexus page of USKP). If you are using both or either of these you should propably check your version numbers.
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