Devious Devices - Expansion

[Coopervane]

If the DD MCM menu does not show up, then DDi has not initialized, the mod has not booted up correctly and as a result, nothing is going to work right. Ergo, you definately need to solve this before getting any further with the DD mods.

 

There could be a few reasons why it's not starting:

 

* Bad install of the mod(s).

* Bad loadorder.

* One or more non-DD mods are failing and spamming the script-engine with errors, causing the script-engine to crash.

 

 

So here's what you do:

 

Reinstall the DD mods, you had some trouble with this previously and might have missed something, so make very sure everything is installed in all the right places.

 

 

Download Loot and run it. Loot can find various problems if they exist (this includes finding bad mods in your list, mods that are known to be broken), and will generate a working loadorder for you. It's not perfect, you should view the load-order it gives you as a guide rather than set in stone, but it mostly does a good job of it.

 

 

Then start a new game, and enable papyrus logging (second post of that thread explains how), now when you play an event log is beeing generated. Play for a bit, quit, and then look at that log. What you're looking for is constantly repeating errors comming from the same source (a mod causing one or two errors is not a problem, a mod filling up the log with errors again and again and again.. now that is a huge problem!), if that exists in the log, then the mod making that happen is broken and needs to be removed.

 

Not all errors are bad, so again i must stress that if something is just causing one standalone error it's probably safe to ignore, its repeating errors you need to look out for, and especially, you should search the log for the words "dumping stack", if that line exists in the log, then the script engine has been crashed by a mod, causing all other mods to function incorrectly aswell.

[CliftonJD]

If the DD MCM menu does not show up, then DDi has not initialized, the mod has not booted up correctly and as a result, nothing is going to work right. Ergo, you definately need to solve this before getting any further with the DD mods.

 

There could be a few reasons why it's not starting:

 

* Bad install of the mod(s).

* Bad loadorder.

* One or more non-DD mods are failing and spamming the script-engine with errors, causing the script-engine to crash.

 

 

So here's what you do:

 

Reinstall the DD mods, you had some trouble with this previously and might have missed something, so make very sure everything is installed in all the right places.

 

 

Download Loot and run it. Loot can find various problems if they exist (this includes finding bad mods in your list, mods that are known to be broken), and will generate a working loadorder for you. It's not perfect, you should view the load-order it gives you as a guide rather than set in stone, but it mostly does a good job of it.

 

 

Then start a new game, and enable papyrus logging (second post of that thread explains how), now when you play an event log is beeing generated. Play for a bit, quit, and then look at that log. What you're looking for is constantly repeating errors comming from the same source (a mod causing one or two errors is not a problem, a mod filling up the log with errors again and again and again.. now that is a huge problem!), if that exists in the log, then the mod making that happen is broken and needs to be removed.

 

Not all errors are bad, so again i must stress that if something is just causing one standalone error it's probably safe to ignore, its repeating errors you need to look out for, and especially, you should search the log for the words "dumping stack", if that line exists in the log, then the script engine has been crashed by a mod, causing all other mods to function incorrectly aswell.

And i'll add to that the lines "vm is freezing" followed by "vm is frozen"

the engine usually just runs the same broken tracks after that repeating things and when it finally thaws, the script that run after it usually fail

[Paragon_luvz]

Im not experiencing any other problems besides the lack of the MCM menu and the inabiltiy to visibly see the items or their effects.

 

My game is running fine in all other regards and i can even see the items when i drop em on the ground.

 

I think it might be the first thing and that i just installed the mods poorly. I'll go through and un install all the files related to Devious devices and then install them again from scratch. 

Yall made a very good point: given how much trouble i had at the start, it is most likely that i made a mistake when installing SOMETHING, so i'll check through and redo that.

[Coopervane]

Remember that Skyrim doesen't do uninstalls.

 

You cannot uninstall mods in Skyrim, or rather, you can, but it will break any savegame that had that mod enabled on it. Skyrim bakes information about every script it has run into the save-files, not just scripts actually, lots of other stuff aswell, so uninstalling a mod will harm any save that it was a part of as the game expect to find the mod, the save file tells it that it should exist, but now it can't because it's uninstalled and this can spam the script-engine with errors.

 

 

So basically, since something went wrong, the save you currently have is very likely broken now, and certainly will be if you try uninstalling script-heavy mods like DD from it. So as annoying as it is, you'll likely have to start a new game before you can get anything working right.

[Paragon_luvz]

Thats not a huge problem, the starting a new game thing. Im the kind of Skyrim Player that has a lot of different characters at lower levels that specialize on certain skill sets. My highest is a 35. I usually start new games pretty frequently to run a new style of play. I'll go ahead and start a new game and see if that does anything. 

I didnt uninstall the stuff, i just reinstalled and replaced the files that were already there. None of my saves got damaged as a result. I did delete some files before reinstalling (i thought i got all of them) but i was very wrong, there were a lot that i missed. Strangely deleting these files hasnt effected my game, tho i didnt load up my save until i had reinstalled, so that might be why.

Im hoping that starting a new game will do soemthing. So far i've tried starting the quest on my Dark Souls knight character (hes male so that might be why it didnt work). I also tried to start the quest on my Tsun's sister demigoddess character but that didnt work either despite her being a female character. Hopefully starting a new game yields different results but im rather melancholy by this point and the outlook is grim.

In any case i've waited far too long for a mod this well made and intricate to slip through my fingers. I WILL get this to work eventually. I'll keep trying things. Thanks for all the help up till now. 

[Paragon_luvz]

Starting a new game didnt change anything. 

The quest doesnt start after reading the book by Zed curio, so its DEFINITELY something wrong with either integration or the Devious Deviants.esp file which apparently contains the quest scripts and data. I'll have to go through the scripts and see what's causing the problem. Maybe something is missing or the scripts are being overwritten, idk. 

Im learning more and more as i work on this but im still definitely a novice. I've reinstalled Integration a number of times and each time its replaced the existing integration files and scripts. Could a problem arise from these scripts being overwritten? 


Edit: gonna try making a papyrus log and checking it. I JUST figured out how to do it

 

[Paragon_luvz]

Ok i made the papyrus log, two in fact, but they are both EXTREMELY long. How do i shorten it down the way that guy earlier did so that i dont have to copy paste the WHOLE thing here?  He posted a link to a winRar file but idk how to do that

 

 

Edit: Thanks again Srende. Here are the two logs that were of note. They are the first and third log that i took. The second one resulted from a random load error involving Frostfall, so its not important. 

If any of you can decipher these logs and let me know what is wrong and how to fix it, i'd really appreciate it.

[Srende]

You can upload the 7z/zip/rar as an attachement here. Way better than copy pasting in any case

[Coopervane]

Did you not install the scripts? Or put the scripts folder in a wrong location? It looks like DDi can't find any of it's required scripts in those logs..

 

And not just DDi, a few other mods aswell are complaining about the same thing.

[Srende]

Are these from a new game, without any previous installs of any mod? There's something seriously wrong with that. If that's a new game, I'd say remove your data folder completely to get rid of any mod files, verify the game through steam and let it redownload everything. After that, start the game once, and then install mods with MO or NMM.

[Paragon_luvz]

so, i cant post copies of my scripts here as an attachment. Basically, the psc files are in the Source folder within the Scripts folder, and the pex files are directly within the Scripts folder. There is one copy of each type, pex and psc. So.... the files are in the right spot? But the game cant find them for some reason? Just a guess.

[Paragon_luvz]

I tried deleting the Data file and then redownloading everything trhough steam but the option never came up. It said i still had it installed, so i decided to start a new game again and double check the papyrus script. This isnt a BRAND new game, because i still have all my mods and stuff. 

I wont add an attachment of the papyrus log because, as far as i can tell, its the same as the last two. 

I did what you said to do Srende but steam just would not let me redownload Skyrim after deleting it, so i restored the file. I might have done something wrong, who knows. Its certainly likely, but for the life of me i cant figure out why such a seemingly simple process of deleting then reinstalling the game could be so arbitrarily complex.

[Srende]

I tried deleting the Data file and then redownloading everything trhough steam but the option never came up. It said i still had it installed, so i decided to start a new game again and double check the papyrus script. This isnt a BRAND new game, because i still have all my mods and stuff. 

 

I wont add an attachment of the papyrus log because, as far as i can tell, its the same as the last two. 

 

I did what you said to do Srende but steam just would not let me redownload Skyrim after deleting it, so i restored the file. I might have done something wrong, who knows. Its certainly likely, but for the life of me i cant figure out why such a seemingly simple process of deleting then reinstalling the game could be so arbitrarily complex.

 

I did mention "verify the game through steam". Which means after deleting the data, right click the game on steam -> properties -> local files -> verify integrity of game cache

It won't check the files on game start, you need to tell it to check them.

 

You could just of course use the "delete local game content" in steam as well, but safer imo to delete the data folder manually to make sure it's gone.

 

And just to make sure, use a mod manager (MO / NMM) to install the mods after deleting your current files, that will put them on to the correct location.

[Morferous]

 

I did mention "verify the game through steam". Which means after deleting the data, right click the game on steam -> properties -> local files -> verify integrity of game cache

 

If that is not giving the required result, try the following.

- Exit Steam

- Go to Steam folder and remove folder named appcache

- Close and start your computer

- Start Steam. It will load a bit, while inspecting your games and creating new appcache folder

- Verify Integrity of Game Cache

 

Steam uses appcache to determine if master files need to be replaced. Data in that folder isn't always up to date, or refreshed properly. Removing it will force Steam to inspect your files again, so comparison between files in hard drive and the ones in cloud is done from the clean table.

 

This little trick has fixed about 90% from in those famous Permanently destroyed, useless ***** Bethesda ******* Steam **** my life!!! help requests in Steam forums. Rest of them need a little more brainstorming.

[Paragon_luvz]

I deleted the local content via steam then double checked my skyrim folder to make sure the data folder was gone as well. It was. Unfortunately now that the data is gone its not letting me verify the integrity of the game cache. Do i need to redownload the game and start a new save first in order to do that?

 

[Morferous]

I deleted the local content via steam then double checked my skyrim folder to make sure the data folder was gone as well. It was. Unfortunately now that the data is gone its not letting me verify the integrity of the game cache. Do i need to redownload the game and start a new save first in order to do that?

 

Verifying the game cache is simply a way to avoid the need for re-installing the game. It will be a fast way to fix problems that are related to master files getting messed up. Steam will compare your files to one in cloud and replace your files, if they do not match. This is a fast way to fix problems, compared to long process of downloading and installing the game.

 

Of course, it will not clean your Data folder, so third party files will remain there and keep causing crashes to desktop (or other problems) if problems originated from them.

 

There should be no reason to verify  cache for re-downloaded and -installed game, but sometimes games with DLCs might require this to work properly.

 

If this keeps causing problems, then perhaps we should move to technical forum.

 

[Srende]

I deleted the local content via steam then double checked my skyrim folder to make sure the data folder was gone as well. It was. Unfortunately now that the data is gone its not letting me verify the integrity of the game cache. Do i need to redownload the game and start a new save first in order to do that?

 

The verify was simply a way to force steam to redownload everything.

[Paragon_luvz]

I dont need to move this to a technical forum. I never said i was having trouble with CTDs. I fixed that forever ago. Im having problems getting the scripts for Devious Devices to run, so i came here because this is the forum thread FOR devious devices, ergo its the best place to get help regarding this. And so far, coming here has been the right decision. 

Im downloading Skyrim now. Will i have to redownload the mods? Thats probably for the best if thats the case, cuz then i can start with devious devices and its prerequisites and add all the other stuff later.

[Srende]

I dont need to move this to a technical forum. I never said i was having trouble with CTDs. I fixed that forever ago. Im having problems getting the scripts for Devious Devices to run, so i came here because this is the forum thread FOR devious devices, ergo its the best place to get help regarding this. And so far, coming here has been the right decision. 

 

Im downloading Skyrim now. Will i have to redownload the mods? Thats probably for the best if thats the case, cuz then i can start with devious devices and its prerequisites and add all the other stuff later.

 

If you have the actual archives somewhere, no. But use a mod manager to install them, will make it much easier.

[iClarke]

Can I use this mod with the UNP 1.2 (Skinny) body since it's already supported by DDA, or would I experience glitches?

 

 

[Coopervane]

Can I use this mod with the UNP 1.2 (Skinny) body since it's already supported by DDA, or would I experience glitches?

 

For the time beeing, yes. Not everything will fit right, especially things like the harnesses and bra won't conform to the body-shape, but you can wear them, they won't clip (but it won't look great either).

 

In the future however, sadly no. New official DD items are in the works that cannot be used with either UNP or UNP-Skinny, they will only work right with UNPB and have very noticable clipping problems with all other versions of UNP.

[iClarke]

Ok, good to know. One more question, would CBBE still be supported fully in the future?

[Coopervane]

Yes, to the extend that it currently is (IE no official bodyslide support).

[Paragon_luvz]

Ok. I uninstalled and reinstalled skyrim and all of my mod files. Everything is working now except for the quests but i can figure that out later. For now im just happy that i FINALLY got these mods to work. 

Thank you Srende, Coopervane, and everyone else that advised me through this process. If there is something i can do to return the favor, let me know and i'll do what i can.

[Skull Tyrant]

just wanted to let you know that when using the flying mod from nexus while wearing the pony boots you can barely move forward while flying.