Deviously Cursed Loot LE 9.0 (2021-03-09)

[PegadaSans]

Ah yes i found it. Thank you.

 

Is there a way to fix this quest.

Leon removes all the items including the collar at the end of the quest.

[Elsidia]

1 hour ago, PegadaSans said:

Where do i find the slave boots to equip in Leon's Quest?

 

[darktej]

46 minutes ago, PegadaSans said:

Ah yes i found it. Thank you.

 

Is there a way to fix this quest.

Leon removes all the items including the collar at the end of the quest.

that is a feature. Kimy implemented the XDFF system...so Leon equips those corresponding items and removes the Obsidian restraints.

[GuruSR]

13 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Sometimes my game hangs up when i exit from Dollmaker's Shop - maybe your game speed up time)

 

Ok i checked the mod and dcur_rd_rubbersuit "Rubber Doll Suit" [ARMO:11065659], dcur_rd_rubbersuitRendered [ARMO:11065658] missed a keyword zad_BlockGeneric [KYWD:0C0429FB] - other items have that keyword.

Actually, I have no hangups with any location, in and out of locations usually takes about a second (and a bit sometimes).  I think what happened was I left too quickly after getting the collar zap, and exiting caused an update of the quest that might of got the value for the next change before it was updated by the collar zap, timing, all I can think of, the rest of them worked the same amount of time after the previous one, like I said, timing issue, possibly put the value for the next update before doing the actual update, so people with faster systems won't see this, it'll be rare, but can still happen.  And yes, the suit is unlockable by everyone, the Dollmaker, Devious Lore, etc, so that is why the suit won't stay locked, missing a keyword, at least that was found out before the next update, so it can be fixed.

 

9 hours ago, thedarkone1234 said:

You made a bit of a mess out of two feature there. You started a regular bondage adventure quest on the rubber set before you got completely covered. The dollmaker will have a special way out for you ONLY if you already got the rubber armbinder and your quest updated and told you to find the dollmaker. This is why you got odd behaviour

Actually, I talked to the Dollmaker and got the "if you make it back, I'll unlock you" from dialogue, so when that happened I re-talked to her, the "I made it back" was present in the list (value set to allow it to show up early, maybe move it to the end just before the teleport, or use the Quest's state to only show it).  Because I hit the talk beforehand, it said I got back and the quest cleaned up as usual, didn't see any odd behavior on a coding standpoint, the quest ended cleanly, I just got into the dialogue before I should have.  As for the Dollmaker's special way out, not that far yet, because it kept being delayed by everyone unlocking the suit, should be next though, as it seems to have all of the items minus the armbinder.  The dialogue I was using is the one that can cause the Bondage Adventure to start, now I know I can end it instantly and not be swept away, kind of a "cheat", but, hopefully that'll get fixed so it can't be exploited.

 

GuruSR.

[GuruSR]

Bondage Adventure, not sure how you're checking for the person to send it back to (when there was no "people" involved in starting it, but think you could pick someone who ISN'T gagged?  It's a constant Mppmhphmpmh loop, then when the person thinks they understand you, it goes one more (Mmph!) and exits dialogue, guess I'll have to delete saves back until it happened.

 

Also, when I "surrendered" while in the rubber doll outfit, enemies lost interest in her.  Umm, huh, isn't she supposed to be irresistible and just ripe for the taking?  Not even sure guards should be able to ignore her even with them being set off.

 

Also, with Bondage Adventure, don't use temp actors as targets, they wind up disabled most of the time, so you wind up going back to a spot pointing to the ground as a quest marker, denoting a disabled/dead & removed actor.

 

GuruSR.

[Tenri]

14 minutes ago, GuruSR said:

Bondage Adventure, not sure how you're checking for the person to send it back to (when there was no "people" involved in starting it, but think you could pick someone who ISN'T gagged?  It's a constant Mppmhphmpmh loop, then when the person thinks they understand you, it goes one more (Mmph!) and exits dialogue, guess I'll have to delete saves back until it happened.

 

Also, when I "surrendered" while in the rubber doll outfit, enemies lost interest in her.  Umm, huh, isn't she supposed to be irresistible and just ripe for the taking?  Not even sure guards should be able to ignore her even with them being set off.

 

GuruSR.

Well when not triggered by talking to a NPC, BA will assign you a destination that is one of several possible actors, mainly various blacksmiths, innkeepers and merchants from vanilla Skyrim, I don't know who all the names belong to offhand. However none of them would be gagged without you or some other mod gagging them. As for finding some way to bypass the gag dialogue for the sake of avoiding that conflict, it wouldn't be a bad idea. There are a few ways to remove gags from the NPC depending on what you have installed, the console being a method that is available unless you've specifically locked it, DD Equip is another option assuming you've turned off hardcore mode in its MCM.

[thedarkone1234]

4 hours ago, GuruSR said:

Actually, I talked to the Dollmaker and got the "if you make it back, I'll unlock you" from dialogue, so when that happened I re-talked to her, the "I made it back" was present in the list (value set to allow it to show up early, maybe move it to the end just before the teleport, or use the Quest's state to only show it).  Because I hit the talk beforehand, it said I got back and the quest cleaned up as usual, didn't see any odd behavior on a coding standpoint, the quest ended cleanly, I just got into the dialogue before I should have.  As for the Dollmaker's special way out, not that far yet, because it kept being delayed by everyone unlocking the suit, should be next though, as it seems to have all of the items minus the armbinder.  The dialogue I was using is the one that can cause the Bondage Adventure to start, now I know I can end it instantly and not be swept away, kind of a "cheat", but, hopefully that'll get fixed so it can't be exploited.

 

GuruSR.

You missed my point. The "I have been locked in restraints" which you can say to ANY merchant and can trigger a bondage adventure is NOT the proper way to deal with quest items, or frankly ANY items that aren't standart. Sometimes it is available when you are bound by special items such as a slave collar or a timed belt but it shouldn't work on them, and shouldn't be used in them.

In general, if you talk to the dollmaker before you got the rubber armbinder and got your specific rubber doll quest to TELL you to go to the dollmaker, then you are definitely not going to get it properly.

But there is indeed a bug that the rubber suit counts as an item everyone can remove. This is the one problem on Kimy's end. The rest is on you to just follow the quest steps and not try other means to break it.

 

You will know the proper rubber doll dialogue since it will SPECIFICALLY mention the rubber several times and end up with the dollmaker telling you to have a lot of sex to remove it. This is the only proper way

[LeRoiDuCaca]

Does shasha has anything implemented yet when you become her plaything? Except the dialog telling you that you'll stay her slave forever. 

[GuruSR]

3 hours ago, Tenri said:

Well when not triggered by talking to a NPC, BA will assign you a destination that is one of several possible actors, mainly various blacksmiths, innkeepers and merchants from vanilla Skyrim, I don't know who all the names belong to offhand. However none of them would be gagged without you or some other mod gagging them. As for finding some way to bypass the gag dialogue for the sake of avoiding that conflict, it wouldn't be a bad idea. There are a few ways to remove gags from the NPC depending on what you have installed, the console being a method that is available unless you've specifically locked it, DD Equip is another option assuming you've turned off hardcore mode in its MCM.

The gagged person was the target of the BA for the "I made it back."  So I had no choice but to reload that, the next person that I got it to happen with was 

an Argonian (random Skooma seller out on a road), upon getting the BA, when i got back, he was disabled.

33 minutes ago, thedarkone1234 said:

You missed my point. The "I have been locked in restraints" which you can say to ANY merchant and can trigger a bondage adventure is NOT the proper way to deal with quest items, or frankly ANY items that aren't standart. Sometimes it is available when you are bound by special items such as a slave collar or a timed belt but it shouldn't work on them, and shouldn't be used in them.

In general, if you talk to the dollmaker before you got the rubber armbinder and got your specific rubber doll quest to TELL you to go to the dollmaker, then you are definitely not going to get it properly.

But there is indeed a bug that the rubber suit counts as an item everyone can remove. This is the one problem on Kimy's end. The rest is on you to just follow the quest steps and not try other means to break it.

 

You will know the proper rubber doll dialogue since it will SPECIFICALLY mention the rubber several times and end up with the dollmaker telling you to have a lot of sex to remove it. This is the only proper way

You're point wasn't valid enough, sorry.  The point I was making was, the Dollmaker sent me on a BA, but I was able to end it instantly with the "I made it back" dialogue and end it, that was the point I was making!  That and the Rubber Doll suit is missing a keyword that should stop it from being unlocked normally, it also isn't a quest item because I could sell it.

 

I've not gotten to the Rubber Doll quest point for the Dollmaker dialogue for it, due to the unequipping of the suit, when it happens, then I'll see the dialogue.

 

GuruSR.

[GuruSR]

Got to the armbinder part of the Rubber Doll, I think, not sure, it is black in color and not marked Playable (0x00031018), it showed up after the last expansion notice.  I am noticing that sleeping in a bed (I have no alteration mods for sleeping whatsoever) and having sex through solicitation, the open hood unequips but doesn't re-equip, but according to the inventory, it is equipped but the player isn't gagged.  I visited the Dollmaker and no quest update available, so I slept a few more times, think the bed is causing it to think it's not complete, no clue why it is messing the gag so much.

 

DD also isn't re-equipping the armbinder so the player has no hands and it won't relink it back in, guess because the item isn't Playable, as I don't see it in the inventory.

 

GuruSR.

[Elsidia]

14 hours ago, PegadaSans said:

Leon removes all the items including the collar at the end of the quest.

I check the script - it's happen because of slow scripts working - when you choose be slave Leon or Leash - it's start unequiping obsidian items but it's very slow process because system use universal unequip system. Because when you start next quest with Leah or Leon Obsidian collar is still on you and new quest fail equip new slave collar. Later by previous script from Leon's quest Obsidian collar is unequiped too. That means you start new quest without collar what means be on you. But it's not break a new quest  only you not see collar on you.

 

[Elsidia]

5 hours ago, Lekefeno said:

Does shasha has anything implemented yet when you become her plaything?

Spoiler

After time sometimes show up debug message when Sasha wants to talk with you. Then when you speak with she have new random dialogue. Nothing more to say explore yourself what Sasha wants from you.

 

[ralchemilla]

If i install Devious Cursed Loot, does it make Deviously Helpless , Deviously Captured and Dangerous Night redundant? meaning.. i should remove them from my load order to reduce possible script usage concerns?

[Elsidia]

5 hours ago, GuruSR said:

The point I was making was, the Dollmaker sent me on a BA

Sorry this is low script working issue and nothing there can be do.  First script wants to equip on you items but because of slow script working or your game have teleport issue ( i have teleported always fast, but after teleport still items equiping) you still stay on place where can end a quest.

[LeRoiDuCaca]

4 minutes ago, Elsidia said:

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After time sometimes show up debug message when Sasha wants to talk with you. Then when you speak with she have new random dialogue. Nothing more to say explore yourself what Sasha wants from you.

 

I mean i think i already explored all her dialogs. And most of them are just repetitive at some point. And i was wondering if there was gonna be new content for sasha in the next update ? to make her more like submissive lola mod.

[Elsidia]

6 minutes ago, Lekefeno said:

I mean i think i already explored all her dialogs.

Sasha is best mistress what is available in DCL. Leash is awful and highly bugged. You can try Devious followers continued mod - there too is many repeat things but i think a little bit more than DCL offers.

 

 

[CaptainJ03]

5 hours ago, thedarkone1234 said:

You missed my point. The "I have been locked in restraints" which you can say to ANY merchant and can trigger a bondage adventure is NOT the proper way to deal with quest items, or frankly ANY items that aren't standart. Sometimes it is available when you are bound by special items such as a slave collar or a timed belt but it shouldn't work on them, and shouldn't be used in them.

I could accept your point if those dialogue options hadn't been added by the same mod. Of course it would be stark crazy to get bound by one mod, unse another to get untied and complain that the quest breaks. When I had DCL freshly installed (and default optins in the MCM, which was then locked) I used every available means to get out of the bonds. Started the shopping quest, got the dialogue-line of "I've been locked in restraints, can you please help me" and of course I used that. It frankly shouldn't be there during the other quest.

 

Had no issues with the slave collar though. It stays on (as with Laura's gear) when I ask someone to untie me.

Also have had no issues with the randomly started BA, quest target has always been a blacksmith.

 

My last BA was very short - bloke forgot to teleport me somewhere, so all I had to do was walk over to the fire and tell him that I've made it back.

[Kimy]

32 minutes ago, ralchemilla said:

If i install Devious Cursed Loot, does it make Deviously Helpless , Deviously Captured and Dangerous Night redundant? meaning.. i should remove them from my load order to reduce possible script usage concerns?

It does make all of these redundant, but if you prefer using the standalone mods instead, you can configure DCL not to clash with them.

[LeRoiDuCaca]

35 minutes ago, Elsidia said:

Sasha is best mistress what is available in DCL. Leash is awful and highly bugged. You can try Devious followers continued mod - there too is many repeat things but i think a little bit more than DCL offers.

 

 

i know about other mods like Devious Followers and submissive lola. Its just that i hope that Kimy will develop Sasha's dom side even more.

[twsnider1138]

@Kimy, I know you and the team are probably looking to avoid mission creep at this point but can I put in a small request for when you update DCUR and/or DDI/E? Is it possible to add in a bit of repeating vocalisation for when the player is gagged please, kind of like the option in ZaZ? I think it would add to the realism to have the player or NPC make a bit of noise now and again, especially if they’re getting turned on/shocked by the various toys or trying to MMPPPHH out a shout. Thank you very kindly for all your hard work, it is appreciated. ?

[Kimy]

16 hours ago, twsnider1138 said:

@Kimy, I know you and the team are probably looking to avoid mission creep at this point but can I put in a small request for when you update DCUR and/or DDI/E? Is it possible to add in a bit of repeating vocalisation for when the player is gagged please, kind of like the option in ZaZ? I think it would add to the realism to have the player or NPC make a bit of noise now and again, especially if they’re getting turned on/shocked by the various toys or trying to MMPPPHH out a shout. Thank you very kindly for all your hard work, it is appreciated. ?

For gag sounds, make sure to have GagSFX installed.

 

And more gag sounds will be added to various events in the next version!

[Elsidia]

13 hours ago, GuruSR said:

so I slept a few more times

I do some test and can say:

 

This is anti cheat system - when you sleep time for rubber doll quest not going - that means if you have rubber doll collar you can sleep 1000 hours and quest not continue.

Also waiting system haven't that anti cheat system - i don't know why: or make players life easier or forgot about it and not make the system for wait.

If you got on rubber doll collar - wait 12 hours (default time to expand) Then stay and wait while collar expands to suit. Repeat process while you got all details on you.

Edited: it's not work in your build home - build home is place where DCL events are forbidden.

 

13 hours ago, GuruSR said:

the open hood unequips but doesn't re-equip

It's a know gags bug - it's not really unequiped only visual, Press on that item and it will equip back and shows visual.

 

13 hours ago, GuruSR said:

Got to the armbinder part of the Rubber Doll

If you got on black armbinder it's not from Rubber dool quest. Probably it's a devious devices ddl bug - sometimes it equips rendered device and forgot equip inventory device. Then when you next time equip the same type of item (armbinder) it's show up only before equiped rendered device on you.

How to solve? In console check your inventory and remove that bugged rendered device. Or find inventory device for that and equip it by console - then escape from it by inventory. That fixes that bug. Also i think you got Rubber doll armbinder in inventory - after remove bugged item you can manually equip rubber doll armbinder and continue a quest.

 

[Elsidia]

On 8/12/2020 at 11:49 PM, GuruSR said:

I never teleported during the Bondage Adventure quest.

Can't confim that bug: i was teleported so fast i can't speak with her before teleport. Probably you have heavy scripted Skyrim because scripts work slower that my game.

Of course after return she unequips that suit because of missing keyword.

 

[GuruSR]

15 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Sorry this is low script working issue and nothing there can be do.  First script wants to equip on you items but because of slow script working or your game have teleport issue ( i have teleported always fast, but after teleport still items equiping) you still stay on place where can end a quest.

Actually, during the equip part, I was able to talk, disabling the player controls before doing the equip stage would definitely fix that.  As for equipping, it was fast then the teleport would have happened had I not been faster on getting to the dialogue that caused the quest to think I made it back and finished.

 

GuruSR.

[Elsidia]

1 minute ago, GuruSR said:

I was able to talk

Ok for me is in that way: when bondage adventure start chat closes and even if you can open it - window is blank (need time to reopen) and then i was teleported.