Deviously Cursed Loot LE 9.0 (2021-03-09)

blarghxxx · January 21, 2015

Quick question: is intended behaviour that the slave gag gets equipped when a normal gag is already present? This just happened to me and my character isn't too happy about that (but I am ;-) ). Ohhh the frustration she must feel, after already being locked in the slave chastity belt and having found her second slave collar just a day after finally getting rid of the first one :-)

You really are a mean person, Kimy! Please stay that way!

*Kimy* · January 21, 2015

Yes. Some of my items check if there is a generic item present and unequip it then. Meaner stuff takes precedence!

11mazak · January 21, 2015

probably found a bug or three. when trying to masturbate (using sexlab) with the yoke equipped, it plays the armbinder solo masturbation animation (1), putting hands behind back and making the yoke disappear, and then fails to re-equip the yoke (2). also, I didn't do a whole lot of testing on the following, but when using default MCM values and trying to get an NPC to unlock a yoke I'm wearing, the NPC almost always takes my keys and does nothing else, ignoring the other options (3). other than that, have you though about adding bondage mittens? they might work similarly to the yoke, will not need any new animations, and could feature some interesting options too, for example chance to defend yourself against rape (unarmed attacks) or having a timer that would unlock them. thanks for the mod, I love it! :-) also, sorry for my english, did my best.

*Kimy* · January 21, 2015

How do you masturbate while being in a yoke? oO

That's of course going to fail, you're not supposed to masturbate when you can't possibly touch yourself!

I'd love to have bondage mittens, but I don't have a model for them. I can't do 3D work, that's far outsides of my skill set. If I ever get my hands on a pair of mittens I will put them in right away!

MadCat256 · January 22, 2015

Well, you could try to use a rock I suppose. It would hurt, but might get you the relief you need as well. Unfortunately there aren't animations for it that I'm aware of.

Eskella · January 22, 2015

I had like nine slave collar keys break this way (think I had the collar before updating from 4.1 to 4.2) before I eventually safeworded it. I'm not sure if it's something I can reproduce but after the hassle of getting that collar off I don't intend to intentionally try.

r5e4w3q2 · January 22, 2015

Just started playing with 4.2 (was last using 3.something). A couple questions:

Where is the options for the Heavy Yoke? I am probably being blind again. I see options for a heavy yoke key, but don't see a slider for normal vs heavy nor a check mark thing near the other items that require special keys?

The payout for solicitation seems a bit wonky. 10 to 30 gold per level if I am reading the options right, but am getting a flat 10 gold (both outside and in an inn) at level 14. Unless it is talking about the solicitation level maybe? Only tried a few times so far though so if there are other variables I may be missing them still, all three times I asked them to be gentle and they refused.

Edit to add:

Oh, will there be an on/off switch for the sleeping events? At the moment i can just drag all the sliders to 0, but you did mention expanding the system.

jordisslave · January 22, 2015

Ah, the armbinder frustrated failing masturbation attempt combined with the Quiet voice is possibly the sexiest SL animation. I keep doing that just for the hell of it.

Currently stuck in a slave belt with keys on 0.5% (searched every public container in every city and so far found ONE key!) and was musing on the possibility of a "lite" mode where:

Slave belt doesn't equip plugs and slave and slut collars don't force use or assault of wearer, just the usual criteria as chosen in MCM (no sex and days).

(If I haven't noticed and these are already configurable then I apologise, I can't currently check, I know you can remove "use" for the Cursed Collar)

Don't know if anyone else would be interested though.

And someone's already said something about the collars being more immersive. Could both slave and slut collars be changed to the same model, with just one notification ("your clothes seem to be burning you, you need to take them off") and maybe you'd have go to see that dirty orc at the college to establish which type it was, as he knows about this kind of thing (or a random friendly mage somewhere)? And he'd demand service (in advance, obvs) for the information. Perhaps he'd have to restrain you for a while as he examines it. Shutting up now, my mind's beginning to whirl.

Thanks again for the exquisite frustration and your evil creativity.

:heart:

jordisslave · January 22, 2015

I have thought before there should be a furniture rubbing animation exactly for this!

xboronx · January 22, 2015

Or a horse riding animation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAFzndSWhBg

jordisslave · January 22, 2015

Or a "horny dog" style one, rubbing against an NPC's leg as they try and pull away, disgusted. Would be a good one for Slut Madness on More Devious Quests.

Godgers · January 22, 2015

Can't get it to remove the cursed collar after it's quest is over.

xboronx · January 22, 2015

A soft tie in into more devious quests slut madness and slut fame would be a great idea in general.

Customers in solitication could become more cruel and demanding if you have a high slut fame.

Or another tie in into sexlab aroused. NPCs could occasionally greet you and offer you devious items, if you have a high enough arousal there could be a chance that you can't refuse then in the dialogue and they bind you with some items then.

So normally you can politely refuse, but if you have arousal >50 there is an arousal/x chance to fail. 2,3,4,5 would all make nice numbers for 20-50% failure chance.

AimoHauki · January 22, 2015

Not entirely sure if the source of the problem did come from this mod, but as far as I can tell it appeared since one flashbang from the previous version. I have earlier saves available but I have spent quite a few hours after that so I would rather not go for a previous save. I have an issue where all enemies stop attacking me if they get close. They do stay hostile as normal as long as they stay far enough but if they come close they get hit by some kind of calm effect and they will not attack me after that.

Whether this issue did come via this mod or not, is there any known way to fix this? Remove from all factions does kinda work but that thing breaks a whole lot of other stuff including all NPC reactions get altered and also player homes become not yours.

*Kimy* · January 22, 2015

I love this suggestion. Which means you will see it implemented!

This doesn't sound like something Cursed Loot would do as it doesn't alter the player factions anywhere. My guess would be Deviously Helpless or any other mod that pacifies enemies for scenes. I don't do that.

MadCat256 · January 22, 2015

For the device limits, what exactly is considered a device? The reason I ask is because I have my limits in both CL and DD Enchanted Chests set for the default 5 devices and I believe I was wearing more than that when CL added a gag and an armbinder in two separate loots. In addition, DDEC also tried to replace my HS harness with the DDA custom version and put me in pony boots, also in two separate loots.

I had a slave collar on, a standard chastity bra, the rusted chastity belt and two plugs from a DH draugr attack, A HS harness, a set of standard arm cuffs, and a set of standard leg cuffs. By my count that's 6 devices, 8 if each of the plugs counts as one. Even if the DH belt and plugs aren't counted as devices I still should have been at the 5 device limit and safe from additional devices being added.

This leads me to believe that some of these devices aren't being counted, as it would be quite a coincidence if two separate mods both ignored their MCM set limits.

Edit: I had no keys for any of the devices on me at the time either.

*Kimy* · January 22, 2015

Plugs do not count at all.

notmenotyou · January 22, 2015

I think I found a bug in 4.2, I disabled the Safeword, and the option disappeared, but the "Tie Me Up" option now functions as the Safeword option.

Which is kind of frustrating, since you can't tie yourself up then (and are able to free yourself through the MCM).

Maybe just grey the option out instead of removing it completely?

Also, for whatever reason the High Security Harness is invisible for me, I can see all others, but not that one.

(I bring this up because the changelog mentions that you fixed the body vanishing when wearing it in 4.1, but for me the body is visible, but harness itself isn't, it keeps my character naked).

The other harnesses showed up, but I hindsight I didn't check the cursed one, so I dunno about that one.

bahamut2119 · January 22, 2015

Wow this was just mean a few days ago I wiped my install yet again rebuilt it with fresh dl's. Today I was working on my vamp assassin clearing a dungeon I had just finished killing everything and was finishing up looting containers (i'm trying to save enough to buy breezehome) already had high security leg cuffs bam get hit by a belt, plugs and a yoke. Now on my last container found a yoke key i'm like sweet I ran back to whiterun to get it removed and offload what I looted I was close to the 8 ish k I needed to find out its all high security dammit now i'm broke. Gotta love this mod and the mean pranks it pulls on me sometimes.

WaterRabbit · January 22, 2015

I think I may have found a bug. In the Cursed Collar Quest, when attempting to equip the Cursed Chasity Belt, it will not recognize that the Cursed Plugs are equipped.

monsta88 · January 22, 2015

Too bad, I wrote a basic idea/design for the mittens a few days ago:

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/42076-devius-device-hand-mittens-idea-for-mod/?p=1054407

And also for a bigger mod before that.

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/41939-punishment-hood-mod-vision-other-ideas/

The mittens could be done with minimal graphical requirement, most of the other stuff is just script.

The hood would require basically everything, animations, sound effects, lots of models, etc, so I don't see that happening.

Ofc both ideas are up for debate, these ideas are their in their infancy, so I'm absolutely sure they can be improved.

M

11mazak · January 22, 2015

Regarding the yoke masturbation, yes, You can't masturbate while wearing it, I was just pointing out that it tries to use the armbinder animation - arms behind back and all that. Also, the yoke simply disappears from your inventory after the animation, setting you free.

atm I have exams in school but in about two weeks I could make 3D model of the mittens in Blender or 3DS max, I would have to learn how to import them to creation kit / skyrim afterwards, or make them fit character's hands though. I have no knowledge about the scripting part whatsoever, so someone else would have to do that.

Emprah · January 22, 2015

I have a quick question, is there a surefire way to get out of these shackles the bandits put me in? I tried asking people but I only get the option for the Armbinder(Which doesn't work).

monsta88 · January 22, 2015

Today's devious idea

The Yoke has 3 locks on it. Why do you need only 1 key to unlock it?

Anyway, there might be some Special hardcore Yoke (can be disabled in Options) which needs 3 special keys to open it. Since it is not advised to go into dungeons looking for keys while in a Yoke, the opening quest should mostly concentrate on the cities. One key could come from Curier mission, one could be purchased or earned from a willing blacksmith and the third from an NPC who requires some common plant ingredients.

Key 1: A little modified "Curier in Chains" mission. The target NPC won't open the Yoke, only gives a unique key.

Key 2: The blacksmith have a modifiable chance to be willing to open the 2nd lock. If the roll fails, that blacksmith won't help, the player has to find another one.

If the blacksmith is willing, he/she is either wants money (HS price) or if the player can't/won't pay, the blacksmith offers to do it on a loan base, but he/she will equip some other item (preferably chastity belt or boots) which will stay there until the player pays back the money with interest. Basically the player has to bring items to the blacksmith which she could normally sell there or just collect enough money somehow.

Key 3: The player must find an NPC who has the 3rd key. This might be any NPC or just a few (according to options). This NPC sends the player to collect some basic plants for some reason. For example the NPC requires 10 Blue Mountain Flowers. This seems to be easy, but if you remember, you can't fast travel with a yoke, and you need to know where those plants grow. The quest should never ask for monster ingredients or plants which grow mostly only in dungeons (like mushrooms, glowing thingies, etc).

Ok, so this became a bit long. the basic idea was that 3 locks may require 3 keys. People probably can come up with more interestig ways how to obtain rare keys. Which gives me another idea:

Key quest pool

These quests should be for High Security or somewhat special, but not unique device keys. Normal devices can be opened with the regular Restraint/Chastity keys, and unique devices have their own questlines anyway.

These quests are all straightforward and repeatable. The player can access them by dialog and the player can also decide which device is the key for.

For example dialog - "I'm looking for a way to open my chastity belt." Since the character can fight in a chastity belt, she would get any quest. But if she were "looking for a way to open this Yoke", then she would get only quests which does not require fighting.

The above "key 1" and "key 3" quests are not really good examples for this pool, since they are very specifically for the Yoke (they could be used for Armbinder as well). Most of the quests should be more general.

There should be as much small quests as possible in this pool, at least 1 for each specific device (so the above key 1 and 3 would fulfill this role in the pool for Yoke and Armbinder). For example there must be a quest which won't require the player to talk (so she can get a gag key).

Writing too much again, I guess just stop it to avoid the TL,DRs

M

monsta88 · January 22, 2015

Bug or feature?

I got hit yesterday with a Heavy Yoke. After an eventful travel on foot (I got the Yoke far from Whiterun where my keys are) I reached Whiterun. I collected a key from my stash and went to an NPC. She added more stuff and stole the key. So I went and got one more key from my stash and went to another NPC. She added more devices again, this time a gag too.

Now I tried to do this the proper way, so I went to the NPC who helped me before with a gag and I knew he had Restraint key (I disabled the keyless removal of devices in Deviously Helpless). The problem was, that he was the coach driver, who refused to talk to me this time because of the Yoke. I tried some other NPCs, including Master at the Captured Dreams shop (yes I walked there), but noone would remove the gag. I also tried to give Restraint key (both types real and fake) to NPCs by pickpocketing and then talked to them, but they did not realize that they had the key for the gag. After all this I gave up and just removed the gag myself by using a container to access the inventory.

So I removed the gag and tried to ask other NPC to remove the Yoke, but they ALL just added more. After a while, I had a quite nice gag collection. So the question is, does this work as intended? Or was I that unlucky that noone helped?

At the end I had to do the "Courier in Chains" quest.

Another thing while I was trying to get help with the yoke, that I regularly got the message that the NPC took some of my keys. However more often than not, they didn't take any keys.

I guess I should start looking at the logs, lol.

M

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