Amorous Adventures [v3.4] (2018/06/02)

[hisstoryman]

Glad Fox is back! 

With the Elsif quest, perhaps tie it to Raven attempting to put Elsif in her back pocket, much like she did the Jarl of Riften.  Perhaps, her POS son Sibbi, had evidence that was stolen by his ex, Svidi aka Lynly Star-Sung (is she a generic voice?).  This blackmail stuff could be proof of an affair or that Elsif was actually working in a brothel when the former Jarl found her.  OR she is actually Imperial by birth and the records were in Honorhall Orphanage, which would give us a perfect excuse to off Old Gerold, and that leads us to the dreadfully underutilized Constance ( I thnk she is a generic voice).   

 

This was off the top of my head, so the plot holes are actually more like plot craters.

 

Anyways, great to have you back!

[Vel W]

On 5/26/2018 at 6:51 AM, FoxFingers said:

 

Oh, the Face Sculptor!  I totally forgot that was a thing.

 

And that would dovetail into the Princess Padme Amidala decoys @worik and @LaEspada were alluding to.

 

Yeah, that would work and be totally Lore Friendly.  I wouldn't even need to make the Player go through Civil War... "Decoy" Vanilla Elisif could just keep doing what she does.

 

I always assumed I'd be using the Vanilla Elisif, until I found out she was essentially useless as a follower. Now I feel like a dumb bunny for having wasted time on Civil War.  But, whatever, Rikke got a little quest out of it.

 

Okay, that's a good angle, I can roll with that.

 

First off, really glad to have you back, sir/ma'am FoxFingers.

Rikke's questline is like this really neat appetizer to keep things fresh while we wait for the grandeur main dish.

I personally like the Civil War storyline a lot and always felt Rikke deserves her own quest. Thank you.

 

Judging by post #7628 on page 306, it appears you have managed the impressive feat of allowing the Elisif duplicate you create to capture models added by other mods, which I guess is the Toccata as Elisif file on this page (I guessed because I'm using the same mod). Lot of mods out there fail to do this because they state their duplicates' model usage statically. I guess I'm trying to say, WELL DONE! ?

 

This brings me to my next point, though, as it seems that the Elisif duplicate (that corpse of hers you find at Broken Oar Grotto) in Curse Of The Dead Bride was one such static object. It appeared on my playthrough looking vanilla and un-modded (version 3.2, OSA/OSex). I think you now have what it takes to squash this bug.

 

Keep smiling.

[Guest]

Could I ask one thing? Just consider this........In the quest, could we assume the real Elisif kept her skills hidden and that she is the combat-ready one we quest with? And the one sitting on the throne is the double? Because to me, it just feels like she'd just another pretty follower mod and not a real vanilla character. (Might as well just be Toccata herself) I know that seems like it's just a matter of my own POV, but from an immersion perspective, I'm not really questing with Elisif if you don't do it that way. She's, by far not my favorite, but I'd still prefer the concept of the mod is that we use Bethesda's characters.

[FoxFingers]

On 5/25/2018 at 10:54 PM, worik said:

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I'd be glad if we could skip the war that way  .

Doing the war thing breaks soooo many other mods and for that reason I avoid it as much as possible in my characters.

 

Yeah, Civil War will not be a requirement.

 

On 5/26/2018 at 1:37 PM, karlpaws said:

 

It does make more sense that following the first threat on her life, a double is found to counter further threats.

 

the emperor had a double and this double was known to the Penitus Oculatus, as Mero makes a comment that he was the most insufferable double to work with.

 

On 5/26/2018 at 2:23 PM, Reesewow said:

I honestly completely forgot about the Emperor's double, the idea of body doubles for the purposes of security among the royal/political class is obviously not a far-fetched idea in TES.

 

My personal preference would be for the "double" to be placed after the player completes the AA Elisif line, just because to me it seems more interesting that you have been interacting with the same NPC throughout her story. 

 

Yeah, the Body Double gets placed after Elisif's first quest.  To thwart more assassination attempts.

 

On 5/27/2018 at 8:15 AM, Jedi Knight 17 said:

When will be the new Osa/Clean version released on Nexus?  

 

After I finish this Elisif quest.  The original SexLab version is what I develop on.  I don't deal with other versions until I'm done developing.

 

20 hours ago, bishlapped said:

I was thinking some more about your dilemma over Elisif. What about just replacing her from the start? I know you didn't want to do this, but, what about an MCM option for a clean uninstall.

I've never wanted to implement an MCM. People can turn down quests in dialogue like they do any other quest.  Philosophically, I've tried to design the Mod not needing a "clean uninstall". Because it doesn't touch Bethesda's stuff, it's always hygienic and doesn't interfere with Mods that DO touch Bethesda's stuff.  Replacing vanilla Elisif is not an option, too many game things depend on her.

 

 

11 hours ago, Veloric said:

First off, really glad to have you back, sir/ma'am FoxFingers.

Rikke's questline is like this really neat appetizer to keep things fresh while we wait for the grandeur main dish.

I personally like the Civil War storyline a lot and always felt Rikke deserves her own quest. Thank you.

 

Judging by post #7628 on page 306, it appears you have managed the impressive feat of allowing the Elisif duplicate you create to capture models added by other mods, which I guess is the Toccata as Elisif file on this page (I guessed because I'm using the same mod). Lot of mods out there fail to do this because they state their duplicates' model usage statically. I guess I'm trying to say, WELL DONE! ?

 

This brings me to my next point, though, as it seems that the Elisif duplicate (that corpse of hers you find at Broken Oar Grotto) in Curse Of The Dead Bride was one such static object. It appeared on my playthrough looking vanilla and un-modded (version 3.2, OSA/OSex). I think you now have what it takes to squash this bug.

 

Keep smiling.

 

Oh yeah, I forgot about her.  I just updated it, good call.  But, anyways, as long as it looks like Vanilla Elisif, it's still okay for its purposes.

 

9 hours ago, bishlapped said:

Could I ask one thing? Just consider this........In the quest, could we assume the real Elisif kept her skills hidden and that she is the combat-ready one we quest with? And the one sitting on the throne is the double? Because to me, it just feels like she'd just another pretty follower mod and not a real vanilla character. (Might as well just be Toccata herself) I know that seems like it's just a matter of my own POV, but from an immersion perspective, I'm not really questing with Elisif if you don't do it that way. She's, by far not my favorite, but I'd still prefer the concept of the mod is that we use Bethesda's characters.

 

What do you really know about Elisif?  I mean, everybody has pre-conceived notions about Elisif... but what do we actually know?

 

Turns out we don't know anything, because in typical Bethesda fashion... the character has no backstory! 

 

The game does not give us any information about where she is from, what life experiences she has or how she ended up with Torygg.  So whose to say she didn't keep her skills hidden? Whose to say she's not secretly a master assassin, or a necromancer, or a brothel girl or ... anything. 

 

The reason Elisif is not a lot of people's favorite is because she doesn't have the dimensions as a character that would make her more interesting.  I'll point to Jenassa - doing her quest makes her much more intriguing than in vanilla.  We come to care more about the character with the reveals of their motivations and backstory.  Turns out Elisif is a complete blank slate to work with.

 

Also, it turns out having a body double to thwart assassins sets up an interesting premise for a story.

 

My only job is to try and ensure the player is entertained during the Quest itself.  Once the quest is over, well they are all just pretty followers really.  Plenty of followers in Skyrim to choose from.  But if you feel any attachment to the follower you chose, it's probably because of what you learned about them in their story.

 

Thanks! 

 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, FoxFingers said:

 

Yeah, Civil War will not be a requirement.

 

 

 

Yeah, the Body Double gets placed after Elisif's first quest.  To thwart more assassination attempts.

 

 

After I finish this Elisif quest.  The original SexLab version is what I develop on.  I don't deal with other versions until I'm done developing.

 

I've never wanted to implement an MCM. People can turn down quests in dialogue like they do any other quest.  Philosophically, I've tried to design the Mod not needing a "clean uninstall". Because it doesn't touch Bethesda's stuff, it's always hygienic and doesn't interfere with Mods that DO touch Bethesda's stuff.  Replacing vanilla Elisif is not an option, too many game things depend on her.

 

 

 

Oh yeah, I forgot about her.  I just updated it, good call.  But, anyways, as long as it looks like Vanilla Elisif, it's still okay for its purposes.

 

 

What do you really know about Elisif?  I mean, everybody has pre-conceived notions about Elisif... but what do we actually know?

 

Turns out we don't know anything, because in typical Bethesda fashion... the character has no backstory! 

 

The game does not give us any information about where she is from, what life experiences she has or how she ended up with Torygg.  So whose to say she didn't keep her skills hidden? Whose to say she's not secretly a master assassin, or a necromancer, or a brothel girl or ... anything. 

 

The reason Elisif is not a lot of people's favorite is because she doesn't have the dimensions as a character that would make her more interesting.  I'll point to Jenassa - doing her quest makes her much more intriguing than in vanilla.  We come to care more about the character with the reveals of their motivations and backstory.  Turns out Elisif is a complete blank slate to work with.

 

Also, it turns out having a body double to thwart assassins sets up an interesting premise for a story.

 

My only job is to try and ensure the player is entertained during the Quest itself.  Once the quest is over, well they are all just pretty followers really.  Plenty of followers in Skyrim to choose from.  But if you feel any attachment to the follower you chose, it's probably because of what you learned about them in their story.

 

Thanks! 

 

OK, I think we may be in agreement.  I was asking that the real Elisif was the skilled Elisif and that her impostor was the civilian poser. My only reason was that if the real Elisif is sitting on the throne, and we are off questing with her Handmaiden or some such title but not the "real" Elisif. I also think it's reasonable that a Nord Noble would have been trained in combat skills at some point in her life. Even if she was a nobody to begin with, Torygg could have had trainers work to prepare her for whatever situations she might find herself in, So yeah, I am very good with the "real" Elisif being skilled and the impostor (Vanilla Elisif?) being unskilled. Not trying to say that it matters what I am good with or not, That sounded wrong. I appreciate and enjoy your work. It's truly amazing.

 

 

Thank you.

[Reesewow]

23 minutes ago, FoxFingers said:

 

Yeah, Civil War will not be a requirement.

Appreciate the early confirmation on this - I'm at the point where I have to make the choice if I want to trigger the battle for Whiterun or not on this save.  Being as civil war completion has a tendency to cause more problems with mods than it adds in interesting changes (you even lose unique city guards, since every hold that is taken over gets generic imperial or stormcloak guards instead), I'm leaning towards just rushing through it to see your Rikke content then reloading to revert it.

 

Loving your ideas for Elisif so far, and I hope that the loosening of all the restrictions you originally had on yourself trying to work with vanilla Elisif makes working on this content more fun/rewarding and less of a frustrating mess.

[Uncle64]

I like the idea of Elisif but but.

She is more or less tied to that trone. The only thing I can think of for woing her is that you need to do one dlc mod there you must do civil war first on the imperial side. It is not right to come and try to claim her if you are stormcloak, it makes no sense at all.

There is also one other issue, and that is Dovakin it self.

You can also think if you play as Stormcloak that you try to win her over to your side so you will be King over Skyrim. Whit Elisef on your side.

[ObserveScout]

None uthgerd the unbroken no?

Hmm sadly ? 

 

 

[FoxFingers]

1 hour ago, Extreme“•LuBu•” said:

None uthgerd the unbroken no?

Hmm sadly ? 

 

 

If my Contest Winner(s) had chosen Uthgerd to make a quest for, believe me I'd be working on it.

 

I'm but a slave to the will of the people.

[karlpaws]

29 minutes ago, FoxFingers said:

If my Contest Winner(s) had chosen Uthgerd to make a quest for, believe me I'd be working on it.

 

I'm but a slave to the will of the people.

Can we revolt and free you? Coup d'etat against ourselves by ourselves to change your bindings? ?

[FoxFingers]

2 hours ago, karlpaws said:

Can we revolt and free you? Coup d'etat against ourselves by ourselves to change your bindings? ?

Well, I imagine this will be my last quest.  It took me 8 months maybe to get around to doing the quest selected by my contest winner.  My time and energy just isn't there to sink the man hours into it.  The voice work is a killer.

 

That doesn't mean I won't put out some updates in the future.  But full blown quests I don't think so.

 

If anything what I'll do is go back to the thirty-something quests in the Mod and polish them.  Add some branching dialogue for the player to work with and maybe some different outcomes.

[Thenryb]

2 hours ago, karlpaws said:

Can we revolt and free you? Coup d'etat against ourselves by ourselves to change your bindings? ?

I would join in such a revolution for sure. At least the winner did not pick some character that would require one to join the Thieves Guild, or someone boring like Frea.

[karlpaws]

2 hours ago, Thenryb said:

I would join in such a revolution for sure. At least the winner did not pick some character that would require one to join the Thieves Guild, or someone boring like Frea.

Ironic, as Frea and Dragonborn content in general, has been oft requested.

[worik]

5 hours ago, FoxFingers said:

Add some branching dialogue for the player to work with and maybe some different outcomes. 

*jumping*  *joy* *excitement*

Let's play them all again !

[tweetbotter]

20 hours ago, karlpaws said:

Ironic, as Frea and Dragonborn content in general, has been oft requested.

I have had Dragonborn for years but have never played it-a Foxfingers edit would get me on the next boat to Solthseim.

[Guest]

On 5/30/2018 at 3:31 PM, FoxFingers said:

If my Contest Winner(s) had chosen Uthgerd to make a quest for, believe me I'd be working on it.

 

I'm but a slave to the will of the people.

I'd have picked Vex with something about a bet on who is the better infiltrator. Well, except for her unique voice type and limited resources.

[FoxFingers]

19 hours ago, worik said:

*jumping*  *joy* *excitement*

Let's play them all again !

I'd say the biggest criticism I see about the Mod (besides it's purely prurient subject matter) is the lack of dialogue options that allow some type of Role-Play. 

 

The default dialogue options are just intended to be amusing tongue-in-cheek riffs on Leisure Suit Larry.  I do understand a lot of people either don't get it or don't feel it works for them.  Anyways, I guess that would help make it more accessible.

[GodWearsGucci]

Is there a way to have sexlabs and OSA installed with this mod? I have both but the OSA menu wont work.

[Guest]

14 hours ago, FoxFingers said:

I'd say the biggest criticism I see about the Mod (besides it's purely prurient subject matter) is the lack of dialogue options that allow some type of Role-Play. 

 

The default dialogue options are just intended to be amusing tongue-in-cheek riffs on Leisure Suit Larry.  I do understand a lot of people either don't get it or don't feel it works for them.  Anyways, I guess that would help make it more accessible.

Not that I don't love the mod as is, because I do, but I actually would really appreciate the extra dialogues, honestly. Maybe some speech checks as well to make all the romancing and sex feel more rewarding/earned (people are gonna hate that suggestion, I'm sure). Maybe some balancing polish too. You end up with that ebony armor extremely early in the game if you just run through Lydia's romancing, which is even more game breaking if using Morrowloot or similar mods. Not that I expect you to account for changes made by other mods, but balancing at least for vanilla would be nice.

[FoxFingers]

Well, I had some days off - especially thanks to the holiday last weekend - and the capstone Elisif quest is  about done.  Play testing now, probably releasing it tomorrow.

 

I sure hope somebody besides me will play test this thing because I have to release it to the other versions at some point, and fixing a bug in multiple versions is pure hell for me.

 

Anyways, very excited about having this off my list for my Contest winner.  I had red in my ledger, as Black Widow would say.

 

I think it gives a whole new spin on Elisif.  Since the vanilla game has no Elisif backstory, I gave her one.  A lot of dungeon crawling involved, and also it's actually a fairly complicated quest from a technical perspective so hopefully there's no issues with it.

 

If you use Toccata as Elisif from Bjinn Mods, well, I have to say glass armor goes perfect with her eyes. 

 

Anyways, hopefully releasing this tomorrow.  Thanks!

 

 

AmorousAdventuresQuestStages-The_Body_Double.txt

 

[Sydney]

Awesome, thanks so much for your mod!

 

Will it need a new playthrough?

[Thenryb]

Sounds great. I wonder if it will require a download of the complete mod or whether it can just be an addon.

[FoxFingers]

Uploaded 3.4 for SexLab.

 

New quest "The Body Double".  Picks up after completing the original Elisif quest.

 

If you try it,  please let me know if you hit any issues.  Thanks!

[FoxFingers]

2 hours ago, Sydney said:

Awesome, thanks so much for your mod!

 

Will it need a new playthrough?

Doesn't require a new playthrough.  Only that Elisif's original quest was complete.  Thanks.

[Prolific]

Tyvm Fox!