Apropos

[waree]

@Gooser, I have a question. I have translate Apropos/db from english to german, also SexPart_Synonyms.txt and WearAndTear_Descriptors.txt. mostly I see my Translation Text, but from Time to Time come the original english Text back. Where I can find this English text?

 

Here the Original and translatet Text:

 "mouth" :
    [
        "mouth",
        "throat"
     ],

 

 "mouth" :
    [
        "Mund",
        "Kehle"
    ], 

 

and here a Foto. You see, Throat still in English. Why?

 

 

Apropos.0.7z

[Grimbold the unlovely]

I have noticed something similar to waree's issue in my own game. I erased the word 'vagina' from the list of synonyms, and it no longer shows in the data file, but it does still sometimes pop up in messages. Any idea why? It is not a big deal, but it did strike me as odd. I did use JSON to check my changes and I did save the changes (no vagina in the master file), but there the old word still is on my screen.

[gooser]

I have noticed something similar to waree's issue in my own game. I erased the word 'vagina' from the list of synonyms, and it no longer shows in the data file, but it does still sometimes pop up in messages. Any idea why? It is not a big deal, but it did strike me as odd. I did use JSON to check my changes and I did save the changes (no vagina in the master file), but there the old word still is on my screen.

 

Did you click the REFRESH button in MCM?

[waree]

I think not. But now.

And it works. Thank you.

[gooser]

You only have to click the REFRESh button if you modify either of those two files. The main descriptions are not stored in the game but are read afresh during game play.

[Grimbold the unlovely]

I think not. But now.

And it works. Thank you.

 

Yes, that was my mistake too. Thanks, Gooser!

[Grimbold the unlovely]

I have very recently run into a problem: bloated save games and CTD on load. I do not know if it is related to Apropos, but I see that other posters have raised the question. I do not have radiant prostitution installed, so that cannot be a factor in my case.

 

In just two days my save game has gone from around 13,000KB (where it has been for a while) to 20,000KB and now (overnight) to 65,000KB. Something has obviously gone wrong. As I said, it might not be an Apropos issue, but since the word "bloat" has appeared on this thread, I thought I should mention it. I shall try to load an old save and see if the problem infects games I build on it.

[Guest]

Are you using the stock db file or a custom one? If it's a custom one, could you post it so we can have a look at the size?
I've been doing a lot of tests to check what triggers this, and I've just completed another new character creation for another run at triggering the problem.

Could you also let me know if W&T is switched on for either the PC or NPCs, and whether debug logging is switched on.

[Grimbold the unlovely]

A custom one. I would attach it here, but (embarrassing confession!) I don't know how to. I see the attach file button at bottom of this message, and the browse takes me to the db folder, but it won't let me attach anything. Just an error bell ringing.

Pathetic. (Me. Not Loverslab. I'm pathetic.)

 

I can tell you that I recently turned W&T on for NPCs. Not for main character.  i was curious to see whether there would be messages for NPCs (I play as a male character). I have now turned W&T off for everyone, and here is the strange thing: having loaded an earlier save (from two days ago), I am not seeing significant bloat. My autosaves, quicksaves, and two standard saves are still under 14,000KB. Well within parameters of normal. In the past two days my saves went from that figure to 65,000KB. I don't know if W&T is the cause. I don't know if Apropos is even the cause. But right now W&T seems to be holding a smoking gun. But what do I know. I can't even attach my db!! If you tell how to do that, I will.

 

Added a couple of hours later: I have made several more saves (quick, auto, and 2 regular) and so far no bloat since deactivating W&T for NPCs. I don't want to point the finger at that feature. My bloat experience might be unrelated to Apropos. But that is where things stand at present. I am certainly not going to reactivate W&T any time soon!

[Guest]

You need to compress your db file using 7z or Winrar, then attach it.

[pinky6225]

I have very recently run into a problem: bloated save games and CTD on load. I do not know if it is related to Apropos, but I see that other posters have raised the question. I do not have radiant prostitution installed, so that cannot be a factor in my case.

 

In just two days my save game has gone from around 13,000KB (where it has been for a while) to 20,000KB and now (overnight) to 65,000KB. Something has obviously gone wrong. As I said, it might not be an Apropos issue, but since the word "bloat" has appeared on this thread, I thought I should mention it. I shall try to load an old save and see if the problem infects games I build on it.

 

I do use RP and apropos and i'm not encountering any significant bloating, average save for me is 8000 KB and 13,000KB for a save sounds quite big to begin with.

 

Silly question and apologies if this has been addressed before but... should the descriptions be appearing for creatures? I get descriptions with male humanoid races (nords,red guard etc) but nothing from creatures, noticed this with werewolves and regular wolves while doing a quest for RP

 

[gooser]

Ok, I run a buttload of mods, and have a level 88 character now (Female) and run around with two female companions as well. My save file is around 24MB. I don't see any appreciable bloat or growth though, even with regular aggressive SL "testing".

[Guest]

With a stock db folder, creature animations will not appear for consensual acts, including the companion quest for RP. You need to add txt files that have the 'rape' tag removed from their titles.

 

Anyway, I've now been able to reliably cause the CTD/save bloat issue, and this is with W&T and debug logging turned off. Next I'll try it with stock db folder, and finally with Apropos removed.

 

EDIT: Now using stock db folder, and I cannot trigger the CTD/save bloat. Runs perfectly well. So, that means something we're putting into the customs is causing the issue. Now, running the wiki entry for Harry Potter never triggered this, so I doubt length of lines is causing it.

 

From an earlier version, I remember removing all {TAGS} resulting in a smoother performance, so I'm going to try my normal custom with the tags removed.

 

Grimbold, if you could post your db folder it would really help, so I can see what similarities it has to mine. Anyone else having the same issue with their own custom can help as well.

[Tentacle Love]

I'm having a strange issue where nothing appears in MCM. Any ideas? I've looked around a bit but can't figure it out. Might be something stupid I'm overlooking.

 

 

edit: it appears to be the same problem HeattheSol is having. If you've fixed it, let me know how.

 

I'm also having a bizarre issue which I believe is related. The sex diary for my character is randomly adding over 30 male and 30 female partners after her first sex encounter. it also labels her heterosexual despite having 34 male and 34 female partners.

 

if I reset the sex diary, it just goes right back to 34 and 34.

 

I can't upload the log so I'll try a different file format.

character name, despite being hilarious and awesome, is a placeholder.

Papyrus.0.rtf

[Earen]

save bloat is seems caused by SplitLongMessage method as loop may never end in some cases

didn't tested it much to be completely sure

 

[edit]

 

further testing shows that loop in ReplaceTokens method may take more than 100 cycles which is abnormal

SplitLongMessage works fine

[Guest]

That would make sense, since the default db has no long lines. Any idea how to stop it?

[Grimbold the unlovely]

I know what split long messages means, but what is ReplaceTokens? A feature of Apropos?

[Mez558]

Not sure if it's been mentioned already but the Dragon Tongue animation uses the same description as the Dragon penetration even though it reports as oral. Is this due to an issue with reporting oral animations?

 

It's a shame as my dragons are all dickless (only way I have found to correct that is EB's Immersive Bodies - Gender but I don't really want that installed just for Dragon endowment)

 

Other than that, loving this mod, was doing so well at keeping my PC virginal (Lydia wasn't fairing so well) then got raped by a Frost Dragon (with an invisible cock) and went from virginal to gaping! Any news on the availability of healing salves for battered orifices?

[cloudedsun]

I use Beast Textures for the dragons, should be over in Adult Mods.

[cloudedsun]

Is there a way to slow down the messages from disappearing?

[gooser]

I know what split long messages means, but what is ReplaceTokens? A feature of Apropos?

 

Not a feature. Just internal code specifics

[Guest]

So, if it's ReplaceTokens that are causing save bloat, at what point are they involved?

How do we minimise the issue with current custom dbs? Use shorter lines?

[gooser]

So, if it's ReplaceTokens that are causing save bloat, at what point are they involved?

How do we minimise the issue with current custom dbs? Use shorter lines?

 

First off, I have not confirmed Earendil's statement. ReplaceTokens is an internal implementation detail that he is poking around, which I am fine with. It is the routine that replaces tokens, so, yes, its performance characteristic is going to grow linearly with the length of lines and the number of tokens. Looping 100 times? That I will have to check because I already spent time working on that method to get it to perform as it is today. Even if a method were inefficient, that would not account for save bloat.

 

And I have not confirmed save bloat is even caused by Apropos!!! 

[gooser]

I'm having a strange issue where nothing appears in MCM. Any ideas? I've looked around a bit but can't figure it out. Might be something stupid I'm overlooking.

 

 

edit: it appears to be the same problem HeattheSol is having. If you've fixed it, let me know how.

 

I'm also having a bizarre issue which I believe is related. The sex diary for my character is randomly adding over 30 male and 30 female partners after her first sex encounter. it also labels her heterosexual despite having 34 male and 34 female partners.

 

if I reset the sex diary, it just goes right back to 34 and 34.

 

I can't upload the log so I'll try a different file format.

character name, despite being hilarious and awesome, is a placeholder.

 

Apparently you are on the wrong forum thread. This is about the mod Apropos. If you have general SexLab technical problems post to the Technical SL thread. thanks

[gooser]

 

So, if it's ReplaceTokens that are causing save bloat, at what point are they involved?

How do we minimise the issue with current custom dbs? Use shorter lines?

 

First off, I have not confirmed Earendil's statement. ReplaceTokens is an internal implementation detail that he is poking around, which I am fine with. It is the routine that replaces tokens, so, yes, its performance characteristic is going to grow linearly with the length of lines and the number of tokens. Looping 100 times? That I will have to check because I already spent time working on that method to get it to perform as it is today. Even if a method were inefficient, that would not account for save bloat.

 

And I have not confirmed save bloat is even caused by Apropos!!! 

 

 

Also, there is a real likelihood that any said bloat, if there is any caused by Apropos, could actually be due to the changes made in the last release to use StorageUtil methods. I've asked the author to consider adding diagnostic calls that mod authors can use to report on how PapyrusUtil is using space in game saves.