MSMA: SexFight (like "Succubus Drain") and Bimbofication

[MSM_Alice]

Edit: 1.543 now on main page, this here is deprecated. 

New update.  1.542

More "meat"  in terms of gameplay-affecting dialogue choices on the mesmerize path.


Now the popups allow one to explore almost all branches of the mesmerize conversation, and all the interlocked effects on danger score, SA stats, AP cost, and Pleasure Rate for enemies in sexfight. Also tunable in the MCM

The only aspect that is not there is that the conversation options are not yet locked based on bimbo history. They are all available from the get-go for testing purposes.
For instance, the "sex fame" conversation won't normally be available unless the player has an actual meaningful value in the SA Sex Fame stat.
Similarly, the conversation about being in Porn flicks wouldn't happen unless the player has filmed some flicks with Wedge ( might also check for NukaRide film quests being completed, for more immersion). The one about prostitution wouldn't happen unless the player had alreadyengaged inprostitution, and so on.

After I fine-tune the gameplay mechanics aspects, I will replace these pop-ups with actual conversational scenes.

 

 

MSMA_Latest_Main_Act1_[In_Development_1_1542].zip

Edited 22 hours ago by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

Hope you do not mind, but I missed this mod so much playing Skyrim that one the Mod authors over there gave me a wish for joining their Patreon, and I chose to bring something similar to the game.   No idea if it can be done or not, or how long it will take but this mod has ment that much that its hard to play without it even in another game!

Edit: it is a basic version of the masterpiece that you have been working on. 

 

Edited yesterday at 04:18 AM by Mimirue17

[MSM_Alice]

3 hours ago, Mimirue17 said:

Hope you do not mind, but I missed this mod so much playing Skyrim that one the Mod authors over there gave me a wish for joining their Patreon, and I chose to bring something similar to the game.   No idea if it can be done or not, or how long it will take but this mod has ment that much that its hard to play without it even in another game!

Edit: it is a basic version of the masterpiece that you have been working on. 

 

Let's see what's in Skyrim already first that might fit the bill? 
Skyrim already has several  "succubus drain" sex to kill" paths.
Conceptually, Skyrim has had Bimbos of Skyrim as "bimbo vibe" way before MSMA... Before that i think it was.. sexlab hormones that had some of it? 
and SLSO with their keys of controlling/reducing pleasure for you and the enemies for a while with a pleasure bar on the HUD, is there.. Something can be done with combining SLSO,  succubus drain for SLSO ( with drain always kills checked as needed), and Bimbos of Skyrim together for lore, and " sex enemies to death" or into solgems like that. 
"The Ancient Profession" mod succubus path also has some of that, though it is a lot of effort to grow into the " kill via drain" ability; even more so in groups. once needs to absorb a LOT of souls to get to that level. 
Sex your enemies to death is certainly there as a base mechanic with the right combination of mods. 

Is that what you are looking for, high level? 
Some of it is indeed what inspired me to build this, but I felt something key was missing, and with MSMA I set out to figure out what that " key" was, uncover it, and build it. That is when I started to learn modding about two years ago.

Modding is not a place where we'd  block each other from being creative, or lock down a general idea  ... so the concept can naturally be reinvented /re-imagined by whoever; I've certainly done that too. 

But if the specific ask you are making to that modder is not about the general concept, but specifically to look at MSMA gamplay experience replicate the solutions and detail concepts (one-button rythm based sexfight), that  MSMA has distilled/landed on via iterating in the last year and a half, and just copy that result and launch it to the world as a new mod in Skyrim (not just something for your private use), then I must admit that hits different and I have mixed feelings on it. 
If too many specific gameplay and design choices are the same, I feel that would essentially take the wind from under my wings for doing future work on this specific path, because I did intend at the start to build this for Tamriel, in TES6 first and foremost, with Fallout 4 being the "years of training" for it. And if TES6 takes too long, then I'd build it for Skyrim.  But at the same time, I don't want this to block anyone's new creative vision that has a fresh new take on the subject.

 
 

Edited yesterday at 07:24 AM by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

52 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

Conceptually, Skyrim has had Bimbos of Skyrim and SLSO for a while; something can be done with combining SLSO,  succubus drain for SLSO ( with drain always kills  checked)  and Bimbos of Skyrim together for lore. 


I do have a bit of mixed feelings about more specific things being ported over directly than that.
I did intend to build this for Tamriel, in TES6 first and foremost, with Fallout 4 being the "years of training" for it.
And if TES6 takes too long, then I'd build it for Skyrim.

If someone else with a Patreon takes these gameplay concepts and premises (distilled here with a lot of work over the last 18 months for free no patreon so far), and does the Skyrim version, If this port's gameplay and design concepts are too much one-to-one (voice in the head sidekick,  out of time entities ( Tamriel gods in that case)  controlingyour life, rythm based sexfight, with 3D based visual feedback on the 3D models instead of bars on the hud and whatnot,, it will kind of take the wind out of my wings for doing further work for in in Tamriel. I will probably have mixed feelings on it. 
 

oh no, nothing like that, just the very basic concepts that differ from Bimbos of Skyrim - which I tried out but found lacking after playing this.   And they list the mods for public also, so its not like you have to pay to use them.    No voice in the head or split conscious, none of the fantastic things you have come up with your skills and infiltration, no Beings that created and want to use you, no sexfight or powers.   Just the premise that you created that Bimbos are not sex toys and should be shown a little more respect then they currently get. 

 

here is a link to one of her mods - as you can see she offers them for free.   I just chose to support her work.   If you had a patreon with a paid tier to help support what you do I would also join that, your work is that impressive.

 

Edited yesterday at 06:32 AM by Mimirue17

[MSM_Alice]

13 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

oh no, nothing like that, just the very basic concepts that differ from Bimbos of Skyrim - which I tried out but found lacking after playing this.   And they list the mods for public also, so its not like you have to pay to use them.    No voice in the head or split conscious, none of the fantastic things you have come up with your skills and infiltration, no Beings that created and want to use you, no sexfight or powers.   Just the premise that you created that Bimbos are not sex toys and should be shown a little more respect then they currently get. 

 

here is a link to one of her mods - as you can see she offers them for free.   I just chose to support her work.   If you had a patreon with a paid tier to help support what you do I would also join that, your work is that impressive.

 

Understood.
A lot hinges on what the exact ask was there  . Then it is probably A-OK.
But kill via sex ( or SoulTrap) on a defeat was already possible by stringing together certain mods, configured just right, in Skyrim, before MSMA even existed. 

Edited yesterday at 06:38 AM by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

and if you wish me to stop the process I of course will gladly tell her to disregard what I asked for due to it conflicting with your wishes.   

 

[MSM_Alice]

22 minutes ago, Mimirue17 said:

and if you wish me to stop the process I of course will gladly tell her to disregard what I asked for due to it conflicting with your wishes.   

 

I have edited the above post for clarity on what my specific worries are. I don't want to deter anyone from exploring the subject matter anew.  The concept of  "a bimbo with a punch" is not anyone's exclusive "turf"
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/245511-msma-sexfight-like-succubus-drain-and-bimbofication/page/191/#findComment-7375887

 

Edited yesterday at 07:02 AM by MSM_Alice

[Mimirue17]

14 minutes ago, MSM_Alice said:

Understood.
A lot hinges on what the exact ask was there  . Then it is probably A-OK.
But kill via sex ( or SoulTrap) on a defeat was already possible by stringing together certain mods, configured just right, in Skyrim, before MSMA even existed. 

I did not even include anthing like killing via defeat - I figured that was left to the vampires.   There are almost no combat concepts included in the request, just some tweeks to the general idea of Bimbo play that I feel Bimbos of Skyrim lack - it was OK

Edited yesterday at 06:51 AM by Mimirue17

[MSM_Alice]

Now on main page:
1.1543 - More Mesmerize system work. 
Should be upgradeable mid-playthrough. 
 

• More "meat"  in terms of gameplay-affecting dialogue choices on the mesmerize path.
  • Now the popups allow one to explore almost all branches of the mesmerize conversation, and all the interlocked effects on danger score, SA stats, AP cost, and Pleasure Rate for enemies in sexfight are there. Also, a fair amount of gameplay aspects are tunable in the MCM on the SexCraft page -Mesmerize section.
  • The aspect that is not there is that the conversation options are not yet locked based on bimbo history. All possible options for the current enemy race right now are all available from the get-go for testing purposes.
    • For instance, the "sex fame" conversation will not normally be available, not unless the player has actual meaningful value in the SA Sex Fame stat. But in this build, it is there, at max effectiveness,  no matter what your actual sex fame is.
    • Similarly, the conversation about being in Porn flicks wouldn't happen unless the player has filmed some flicks with Wedge ( might also check for NukaRide film quests being completed, for more immersion).
    • The one about prostitution wouldn't happen unless the player had already engaged in prostitution, and so on.
    • You can only use each topic once in a mesmerize, so make your choice right. You only get one choice per topic; you cannot revisit it after, except in later mesmerize sessions.
    • Not all targets/races will have all topics available.
• After I fine-tune the gameplay mechanics aspects, I will replace these pop-ups with actual conversational scenes.

Edited 22 hours ago by MSM_Alice

[HalcyonAndOn]

Is having a "Weave" customization slot the only prereq for bimbo-fying an equipment piece? Was trying Dicky's bikini stuff but those are all custom additions with no weave slot, and I noticed the purchasable thing from Marina slots into weaves. If so, are there any considerations for utilizing SAKR instead?

[MSM_Alice]

9 hours ago, HalcyonAndOn said:

Is having a "Weave" customization slot the only prereq for bimbo-fying an equipment piece? Was trying Dicky's bikini stuff but those are all custom additions with no weave slot, and I noticed the purchasable thing from Marina slots into weaves. If so, are there any considerations for utilizing SAKR instead?

If the purchasable armor mod from Marina slots in, then all should be good. 
It was my understanding that the slot for the weave is there on most armor, as far as I can tell, and can also be added to an item by some third-party game mods at runtime.
The keyword that the armor mod has should make the equipment pass the checks and be seen as hypersexual from that moment on.
I think someone was even putting that on some jewelry. Uopi 

SAKR is also being used; the SAKR score of the equipment being worn factors into the Appearance score in MSMA. But the hypersexual flag is special and transcends what the maximum SAKR score can do.

Edited 5 hours ago by MSM_Alice

[atropur]

Hello again. I'm wanting to alter the appearance only morph values, and I know the changes you can set in the MCM will take effect on bimbo level ups, but I'm curious as to what other things force these values to update? The option in the menu says "will take effect the next time the butt/chest is affected by in game events", and I'm not sure what this refers to.