Sanguine Debauchery (SD+) (January 2025)

[Zor2k13]

Having some trouble with this mod, if I start a conversation with the owner and don't select something really fast it seems like they always screw my pc a lot now. I just had a crash because the owner was trying to screw my pc and at the same time the inventory menu came up for giving them something.

 

Then of course there is the new problem of gags between this mod and maria eden mod. At the end of the gag talk convo about the npc understanding the pc the only option now is "..." and the npc response is "I beg your pardon?" so how do I get around this for ALL other mods that allow talking through gag? Do I move maria eden mod higher up in my load order or something?

[chevalierx]

how go in dream world i have try in all version of this mod and never go in dream world ???

[bicobus]

how go in dream world i have try in all version of this mod and never go in dream world ???

 

By default, you need to complete the quest "A night to remember". Once done, get yourself enslaved then free yourself then go sleep somewhere.

 

There is also a place in the city of riften where you can sleep and instantly start things up with sanguine. Don't remember where though.

[White Banshee]

 

how go in dream world i have try in all version of this mod and never go in dream world ???

 

By default, you need to complete the quest "A night to remember". Once done, get yourself enslaved then free yourself then go sleep somewhere.

 

There is also a place in the city of riften where you can sleep and instantly start things up with sanguine. Don't remember where though.

 

At Haelga's place.

[BigOnes69]

 

@ Nessa

Posted Today, 10:17 AM

Senior Member

 

'Issue 1: After getting free I was forced into 3rd person randomly. Didn't really notice till I was outside and it swapped to 3rd multiple times in the middle of a fight.'

 

I saw a similar issue being posted a few days ago - I think someone said that it happened on a change of cell but that's not something I'm too sure about - but I couldn't remember which mod thread it was in.  Does this also happen on just wandering, as one does, through the countryside?  My PC goes from 1st to 3rd person intermittently when running, walking, or sneaking through the outback, and I can't really work out why.

 

I've looked through the logs without seeing anything that I'm sure causes this, but, like yourself, I'd really like to work out what is doing it, and stopping it, if poss!

 

 

Having the same problem any solutions?

 

 

 

[DeepBlueFrog]

Since the 3rd person issue is not happening on my end, I am afraid I have no idea what can be causing it.

[squares]

Since the 3rd person issue is not happening on my end, I am afraid I have no idea what can be causing it.

 

I also had this is issue with SD+ enabled. Maybe there are some conflicts with 1st person camera mods, like Immersive First Person View or Enhanced Camera? 

[NicoleDragoness]

One thing I always noticed is if the sex action involves an object, and expecially one of ZAZ objects, I'm not able to use the "zoom" and, sometimes, it ends with the impossibility to go in first person view, even using the key instead of the mousewheel.

Could be a problem related to objects, then, and in SD+ a lot of objects (restrains, pillories, gags and so on) are used.

[ShinCogoShin259841]

 

 

Add quick release from enslavement to Sanguine until full quest is available

 

A full quest ? Is there something more than enslavement ?

[Nessa]

 

@ Nessa

Posted Today, 10:17 AM

Senior Member

 

'Issue 1: After getting free I was forced into 3rd person randomly. Didn't really notice till I was outside and it swapped to 3rd multiple times in the middle of a fight.'

 

I saw a similar issue being posted a few days ago - I think someone said that it happened on a change of cell but that's not something I'm too sure about - but I couldn't remember which mod thread it was in.  Does this also happen on just wandering, as one does, through the countryside?  My PC goes from 1st to 3rd person intermittently when running, walking, or sneaking through the outback, and I can't really work out why.

 

I've looked through the logs without seeing anything that I'm sure causes this, but, like yourself, I'd really like to work out what is doing it, and stopping it, if poss!

 

 

Now that you mention it, the problem only appeared while outside. There is a chance I just didn't notice while inside however. During my testing it would seem that it would only shift while I was moving. But that could be coincidental too. The trouble is, there aren't any script errors or anything either.

 

I suppose we could compare mod lineups and see if there are any similarities. I do use Customizable Camera (which at one point I thought was the cause).

 

 

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I edit the bashed patch directly to ensure compatibility with this mess of mods. But this current setup is quite stable. I usually only play for a 2 hour period and I haven't encountered any CTDs at all yet.

 

Oh I do have one question about the load order. By default, Sanguine's and Dialogues are set to have ZaZAnimationPack.esm loaded before Sexout.esm. While Devious Devices - Integration.esm expects ZaZAnimationPack.esm loaded after. (I opted for following DD Integration on this setup.) Is there a particular reason for this? (And yes, I fixed the master order in this lineup before playing. )

 

 

[Nessa]

Did some more testing. The switch to 3rd person seems to only occur if I'm outside AND moving. I can stand still in 1st person for eons. As soon as I start moving (sneaking/walking/running) it immediately pops me into 3rd. Also I'm not going in between cells in my case. I was right in the middle of a cell testing this. And sure enough as soon as I go back inside, no problem at all! Very very odd.

 

Could this have something to do with the crawling anims somehow? I have noticed while enslaved I am also forced into 3rd person. Not terribly problematic there but it appears whatever is forcing me into 3rd somehow keeps going after I'm released.

 

Oh, I did run into something actually pretty bad related to this. Apparently owners can put blindfolds on the player. Well, this shift to 3rd person makes my usual blindfold setup unworkable.(Leeches I think, the one where you see clearly in 3rd person but can't move, while in 1st you can move but it's very hazy.) As soon as I try to move in 1st person it shoves me into 3rd where I can't move at all. This seems to annoy the owner to no end if he's on the move.

 

EDIT: OK, when crawling, I am -not- forced into 3rd person while inside. So this definitely something to do with being in a worldspace. Or... at least it only happens in a worldspace.

[Nessa]

OOK, my fault! I was looking at a map instead of the using the cell boundaries console command. Oops.   I can now confirm that yes, I am shifted into 3rd person only on cell transition.

 

So I was running back and forth over a cell border the whole time. I guess that also means if I'm blindfolded, I can move fine until I reach the cell border.

 

Which now explains why I have no issues indoors.

 

I can't think of thing that would cause that. And why on cell transitions?? Wonky!

[Nessa]

And the mystery deepens.....

 

Not all cell boundaries are the same it would seem. Only -some- cell boundaries force 3rd person! 

 

So that's why it feels random.

 

The "bad" cell boundaries don't seem to change whether I purge cell buffers or not. Or if I use a different save or not. There's a bad cell boundary near Greywinter Grotto (east of Whiterun). Did some more tests there. Prior to slavery, not a thing was wrong. During and after slavery, whether or not I have kneeling activated in the MCM, each time I cross the boundary in 1st I get shoved into 3rd.

 

The only thing I can think of at the moment is that whatever is initializing the kneel/crawl anims is what starts the issue. Because prior to getting enslaved I can't kneel/crawl. During and after I can. Even with the kneeling option off in the MCM, I can still kneel and crawl after getting enslaved. That may also explain why this issue is relatively new as I believe the crawling anims are a recent addition, correct? If there are only certain bad cell boundaries then perhaps testing could be done without even running into the problem.

 

That's just a best guess at the moment however. That may not be it at all.

[Nessa]

Alrighty, if anybody else with this issue would like to verify, here's a pic of the bad boundary near Gray Winter Watch (watch, grotto, whatever... ). It's the troll cave east of Whiterun.

 

 

 

 

Prior to slavery, crossing that border has no effect. During and after slavery, no matter the save, no matter the MCM setting, I will get tossed into 3rd if I'm in 1st while crossing that border.

 

Anybody else with this issue switch to 3rd crossing there as well?

 

Oh, and the console command for showing cell borders is simply "tb".

[Content Consumer]

Alrighty, if anybody else with this issue would like to verify, here's a pic of the bad boundary near Gray Winter Watch (watch, grotto, whatever... ). It's the troll cave east of Whiterun.

 

 

GrayWinterWatch.jpg

 

 

Prior to slavery, crossing that border has no effect. During and after slavery, no matter the save, no matter the MCM setting, I will get tossed into 3rd if I'm in 1st while crossing that border.

 

Anybody else with this issue switch to 3rd crossing there as well?

 

Oh, and the console command for showing cell borders is simply "tb".

 

Interesting... does it happen if you cross the cell boundary at any place, or just right there? i.e. is it possibly some strange trigger box, or is it the cell?

 

EDIT: Or even a trigger box that's the exact size of the cell. I know of no mod that does anything like that, but I guess it's possible.

Honestly though, it does sound like you're right, it's a cell boundary thing. This is really weird.

[DeepBlueFrog]

Thanks for the extensive testing ... That's the kind of clue I need.

I am about to go away for a couple of week but I will make a note of your observations and test as soon as I can.

[Nessa]

 

 

Interesting... does it happen if you cross the cell boundary at any place, or just right there? i.e. is it possibly some strange trigger box, or is it the cell?

 

EDIT: Or even a trigger box that's the exact size of the cell. I know of no mod that does anything like that, but I guess it's possible.

Honestly though, it does sound like you're right, it's a cell boundary thing. This is really weird.

 

 

I was initially thinking trigger too but it appears to be anywhere along the line of that cell. And the shift to 3rd always happens when crossing certain cell borders. Once I had the cell boundaries visible I noticed I was never shifted until crossing -some- borders. Why some and not others I have no clue. Very very odd indeed!!

 

The next thing I'm going to look into is whether or not I have any mods editing any of those "bad" cells. At the moment I don't think I have a thing messing with that cell near Graywinter but sometimes mods edit things for no apparent reason.

Thanks for the extensive testing ... That's the kind of clue I need.

I am about to go away for a couple of week but I will make a note of your observations and test as soon as I can.

 

I hope some of the testing helps figure this out. Now I'm kind of stuck on the mystery of what's causing this. I must know!

[El_Duderino]

 

 

 

Interesting... does it happen if you cross the cell boundary at any place, or just right there? i.e. is it possibly some strange trigger box, or is it the cell?

 

EDIT: Or even a trigger box that's the exact size of the cell. I know of no mod that does anything like that, but I guess it's possible.

Honestly though, it does sound like you're right, it's a cell boundary thing. This is really weird.

 

I was initially thinking trigger too but it appears to be anywhere along the line of that cell. And the shift to 3rd always happens when crossing certain cell borders. Once I had the cell boundaries visible I noticed I was never shifted until crossing -some- borders. Why some and not others I have no clue. Very very odd indeed!!

 

The next thing I'm going to look into is whether or not I have any mods editing any of those "bad" cells. At the moment I don't think I have a thing messing with that cell near Graywinter but sometimes mods edit things for no apparent reason.

Thanks for the extensive testing ... That's the kind of clue I need.

I am about to go away for a couple of week but I will make a note of your observations and test as soon as I can.

 

I hope some of the testing helps figure this out. Now I'm kind of stuck on the mystery of what's causing this. I must know!

Interesting! Sadly I don't have SD+ installed at the moment, but I recall that during testing a week ago I had this "1st to 3rd p. view" issue too (I didn't connect it with that mod though). However, I can remember one spot where it reliably triggered: on the road from Rorikstead down to where Lund's Hut is (and the Shoal's Rest farm from Live Another Life). Roughly at the start of where the path to Lund's Hut starts, I got thrown out of 1st p all the time. Maybe you can reproduce this?

 

[Nessa]

 

Interesting! Sadly I don't have SD+ installed at the moment, but I recall that during testing a week ago I had this "1st to 3rd p. view" issue too (I didn't connect it with that mod though). However, I can remember one spot where it reliably triggered: on the road from Rorikstead down to where Lund's Hut is (and the Shoal's Rest farm from Live Another Life). Roughly at the start of where the path to Lund's Hut starts, I got thrown out of 1st p all the time. Maybe you can reproduce this?

 

 

I'll head out that way tonight when I get a chance for some more testing. I'm also going to juggle some mods around, start a new game and see if the bad boundaries still persist in the same location as well.

[DonQuiWho]

@ Nessa

 

Came back to see if there was any progress on this and impressed by the additional knowledge conveyed!  

 

Not had the chance to test this as thoroughly as you have - nor the knowledge or skills either     but, FWIW, I found that recently, my PC being up near Aftand, on the involuntary move from 1st to 3rd person in the outdoor areas, I also trigger a message saying - or something very similar to this: 'Player has (been?) moved to a new location'

 

I'm pretty sure that I get this same message after being enslaved, now umpteen times in Aftand, and moved out into the local wilds.  Must be 3 or 4 times now, as I never cheat, and just fight my way back there and run back down the levels until I meet the next load of Falmer that my PC can't manage to beat before getting SD+' out.  LOL

 

Hope that helps you, and of course skyrimll, to work out what's causing this 

[Nessa]

OK, a little bit more info...

• Rorikstead has a bad cell boundary up the path approaching Lund's Hut. So these bad boundaries.. may be the same for anybody having the issue.
• Tried a new game, no change in boundary locations.
• In the case of Graywinter Watch, I do have a mod that edits the "bad" cell, but it's USLEP. It only adjust a few plants too.

Is there a way to stop the initialization of the crawling/kneeling anims? (Say, edit a line somewhere in the script?) I'd like to know if that's what is causing the issue. I don't have any real evidence to support the idea but I'm just curious. (A shame if it is, the new animations are fun.)

@ Nessa

 

Came back to see if there was any progress on this and impressed by the additional knowledge conveyed!  

 

Not had the chance to test this as thoroughly as you have - nor the knowledge or skills either     but, FWIW, I found that recently, my PC being up near Aftand, on the involuntary move from 1st to 3rd person in the outdoor areas, I also trigger a message saying - or something very similar to this: 'Player has (been?) moved to a new location'

 

I'm pretty sure that I get this same message after being enslaved, now umpteen times in Aftand, and moved out into the local wilds.  Must be 3 or 4 times now, as I never cheat, and just fight my way back there and run back down the levels until I meet the next load of Falmer that my PC can't manage to beat before getting SD+' out.  LOL

 

Hope that helps you, and of course skyrimll, to work out what's causing this 

 

I don't have any messages popping up during this. (So far.) So it was approaching the wilderness away from the camp? I'll have a look.

 

I hope the solution to this can be found. I'm bugged by the mystery at this point!
 

[Nessa]

Solstheim:

• Start at the Tel Mithryn graveyard, and move towards Tel Mithryn up the hill. It appears that the group of cells that comprise Tel Mithryn have a bad boundary surrounding all of them. Meaning, if you stay inside the Tel Mithryn region cells, no shift. Step off the region cells and you end up shifting.

Which now has me wondering all kinds of things.

• Is this navmesh related?
• Is it any cell with a door? (Also navmesh really.)
• Is this a FNIS issue? (I'm stuck on the anim idea for no good reason.  I use the Skeleton patch and gender specific animations patch for FNIS.)
• Does the shift only occur when moving in between cell -regions-?

[DeepBlueFrog]

Thanks again for the detective work.

 

As I said before, I will be away for the next two weeks, with only my phone to check in on things.

 

In the meantime, the code in github is up to date.

 

Here is the event you should comment out to test your theory out:

 

https://github.com/SkyrimLL/SDPlus/blob/master/SanguineDebauchery/Data/scripts/source/_sdras_player.psc#L1274

 

It's an update of poses on location change for the player script.

 

Note that I am using Immersive First Person view. Maybe that counts into why I am not seeing this issue.

[Nessa]

Thanks again for the detective work.

 

As I said before, I will be away for the next two weeks, with only my phone to check in on things.

 

In the meantime, the code in github is up to date.

 

Here is the event you should comment out to test your theory out:

 

https://github.com/SkyrimLL/SDPlus/blob/master/SanguineDebauchery/Data/scripts/source/_sdras_player.psc#L1274

 

It's an update of poses on location change for the player script.

 

Note that I am using Immersive First Person view. Maybe that counts into why I am not seeing this issue.

 

Ahh... ok I'll play around with that and see if anything comes of it.

 

I'll also load up Immersive First Person and see if that is a fix for the issue as well.

 

Enjoy your two weeks off. Hopefully vacation? If not, enjoy it anyway!

[Nessa]

Some good news! Immersive First Person View... stops the problem. No shifting at all with that installed. (Only negative in my case is I.. um... can't fight at all in 1st or in 3rd now! ) So that's certainly one solution at least!

 

EDIT: Seems IFP gets rid of vanilla 1st person altogether. So you're in effect always in a form of 3rd person. Could be why it works. I tried playing with some of the settings. If I disable the new immersive view in the plugin's config file, the shifting comes back again.

 

I rather like not having the hands cluttering up the screen in first person (never really cared for that in Skyrim) but... I thought I was bad at fighting in vanilla 1st person. I can't hit a mammoth while standing right in front of him with IFP!