Sanguine Debauchery (SD+) (January 2025)

[Content Consumer]

Is there a way to prevent automatic sex when resisting to an animal ? For exemple, I entered Belethor's shop and couldn't get to the counter without beeing assaulted.

 

Also, my character started crawling for no reason, is there a shortcut by default that I might have pressed ? I feel like it's more of a bug and I have so much mods that I feel like a log won't help much...

 

Don't assume that a log won't help. It might not, but on the other hand it might... and the size of it won't necessarily matter, it's not like anyone goes through big logs line by line (as far as I know). Most authors put in specific text strings on their debug traces they search for.

[mangalo]

 

Is there a way to prevent automatic sex when resisting to an animal ? For exemple, I entered Belethor's shop and couldn't get to the counter without beeing assaulted.

 

Also, my character started crawling for no reason, is there a shortcut by default that I might have pressed ? I feel like it's more of a bug and I have so much mods that I feel like a log won't help much...

 

Don't assume that a log won't help. It might not, but on the other hand it might... and the size of it won't necessarily matter, it's not like anyone goes through big logs line by line (as far as I know). Most authors put in specific text strings on their debug traces they search for.

 

But really it would be too bad if skyrimll smashed his head on a wall because of my attrocious log

 

Anyway, I figured out both of my issues, I didn't realise the "up" and "down" in the MCM were refering to the poses and since I use the up and down keys a lot to naviguate through the dialogue trees, here's the explanation.

About Belethor's dog trying to enslave me, I also simply desactivated a new function I hadn't noticed in the MCM.

[Content Consumer]

 

 

Is there a way to prevent automatic sex when resisting to an animal ? For exemple, I entered Belethor's shop and couldn't get to the counter without beeing assaulted.

 

Also, my character started crawling for no reason, is there a shortcut by default that I might have pressed ? I feel like it's more of a bug and I have so much mods that I feel like a log won't help much...

 

Don't assume that a log won't help. It might not, but on the other hand it might... and the size of it won't necessarily matter, it's not like anyone goes through big logs line by line (as far as I know). Most authors put in specific text strings on their debug traces they search for.

 

But really it would be too bad if skyrimll smashed his head on a wall because of my attrocious log

 

Anyway, I figured out both of my issues, I didn't realise the "up" and "down" in the MCM were refering to the poses and since I use the up and down keys a lot to naviguate through the dialogue trees, here's the explanation.

About Belethor's dog trying to enslave me, I also simply desactivated a new function I hadn't noticed in the MCM.

 

 

Looks like the problem with stances changing in menus will be fixed in the next version.

[Guest]

Thank you for the reply, that explains what is happening. I'll try having less scripts in my game then.

[Zor2k13]

Ok reached slavery level 4 and I can ask lydia about can I go now and get the dialogues for being set free. I tried asking ysolda if I could go with her and she always says no for some reason. I was thinking there was a dialogue option to ask someone if they could buy my character but I think that is from maria eden mod.

 

Like the person said earlier why do other npcs just assault the player when the owner is nearby? Would be nice to see npcs flock to the owner asking to use the player for money. Lol would be really funny if they all lined up at the owner in a straight line and one at a time boned the player after paying the owner and there could be a chance they would offer to buy the player.

[DeepBlueFrog]

 

 

As a separate subject from the above, I believe it would be immersive if the PC's master had some sort of reaction to others fooling around with their slave. Just an idea. Maybe some sort of animosity or brawl or... Don't know. On the same subject, I feel the dialogue option "My master would not approve" is really pointless. I've picked it 10-20 times now and the outcome seems to be that I'll get raped either way by the assailant, even right in front of the master NPC. It would be fun to tie it to the above suggestion.

 

But really I think those are additions, the issues I mention in my previous post are more important IMHO.

 

If I remember well,' 'My master would not approve' should only appear from NPCs who wear a collar and should not result in any action for you.

 

 

 

 

About the dialogue option, here's a better explanation... I'm enslaved, Master NPC is nearby, another NPC approaches my PC and asks me if I want to be their slave instead. I pick "My master would not approve" and it's pointless because this situation always ends in me getting boned by that non master NPC, even in front of my master. Who actually does nothing under any circumstance. This is a bit immersion and logic breaking. The dialogue appears from any NPC interested in enslaving my PC, I don't think any of them was wearing a collar either. As mentioned it clearly results in the same thing; Me getting raped.

 

Also how about those NPCs following me everywhere all the damned time after that? That's the most annoying part!! Damned leeches!

 

 

I think you have interferences with another mod.

 

I can't remember having NPCs ask the player to be their slave instead and SD definitely doesn't have NPCs follow the player around like that..

 

Are you using Deviously Enslaved or Helpless maybe?

[Zor2k13]

Ok there is a problem with being a slave to a housecarl or follower. By joining their factions they are no longer able to be a follower? Their dialogues for follow me I need your help are gone. By staying loyal but not joining their factions they also no longer have that dialogue. I couldn't get that lousy court wizard in whiterun to free my character all he had was a crap key but the healer whatshername was able to remove the collar. No matter which route I chose lydia no longer had her follower dialogue. I think it is bad to mess with the factions that housecarls and followers are part of maybe there is a way to change that for them? Bandits and whatever else no problem but followers and housecarls will get messed up by this mod. One of the factions is potential followers faction and I think potential owners faction. There was something about calm people faction too?

[DeepBlueFrog]

Was that during enslavemrnt or after?

[rattrap10]

I have a question, probably an issue on my game or something: if armbinder combat is enabled, I can kick the hell out of my master until he dies and I'm free, simple as that. Shouldn't the owner answer to agression?

 

As always, thanks for the great work, skyrimll !

[DeepBlueFrog]

I have a question, probably an issue on my game or something: if armbinder combat is enabled, I can kick the hell out of my master until he dies and I'm free, simple as that. Shouldn't the owner answer to agression?

 

As always, thanks for the great work, skyrimll !

 

Good point.

 

There are safeguards to detect using a weapon against your master but not using bound combat since it was never possible to attack your master manually before. 

 

I will see what I can do to prevent that.

[Zor2k13]

@skyrimll

 

During enslavement I could ask lydia to follow me but after using the "can I go now" dialogue and choosing an option either join or leave she was no longer a follower. I was thinking there was a cool down period before I could come back later and ask her to follow again.

 

Your bondage clothes custom option should be noted that if you choose custom clothes you have to alter the body slots under AA section to cover calves and forearms for outfits that have whole legs and sleeves.

[Zor2k13]

Hey is there any way to see what factions an npc is currently in with console commands?

[DeepBlueFrog]

Hey is there any way to see what factions an npc is currently in with console commands?

Not with the console but you can see which factions the player received from slavery I the Status section of SD menu.

[Zor2k13]

Yeah I can't figure out where some of them come from for example handles follower care faction or calm people faction and there is an OSA extradata faction but I think that is from Osa mod. I am trying to get to max slavery level and it just won't get there. I have max slavery level set to 5 what happens at max slavery level? any fancy dialogue or what?

[DeepBlueFrog]

Yeah I can't figure out where some of them come from for example handles follower care faction or calm people faction and there is an OSA extradata faction but I think that is from Osa mod. I am trying to get to max slavery level and it just won't get there. I have max slavery level set to 5 what happens at max slavery level? any fancy dialogue or what?

If you have Hormones you can shoot up to slavery level 6 (max) in one shot. The dialogues are then more sex obsessed and submissive.

 

It takes longer to go from 4 to 5 than 5 to 6. A lot longer.

[Zor2k13]

I was thinking if the player reached max slavery level they could no longer ask the owner the "can I go now" dialogue and would be either perma enslaved or maybe some kind of major even would occur like for example the wedding ceremony and how it works,

 

After reaching max slavery level the owner and the player are teleported to some big fancy place not the church but some other large open interior space and all the npcs that know the player just like in the wedding ceremony would be there. The owner announces to all the npcs in attendance that the player has been broken and tamed and turned out by the owner. Some fancy sexy dialogue goes on and on then everyone is seen looking around and some background talking noises are heard. After that the owner announces the player is for sale to the highest bidder and then some random bidding starts between all the npcs and finally a high bidder is found and chosen as the new owner of the player. There could also be a high probability that elsif the fair would win the auction instead of others or maybe some of the other jarls too. The player should be restrained on one of those x cross things from maria eden mod the whole time.

 

The owner would take the player around to all the different taverns and pimp them out for x amount of time then move on to the next until they went to all of them. Finally the owner would go to one of the player owned homes (probably solitude) and pimp out the player from there to random npcs that appear during the day time.

 

 

EDIT

 

Well thats a lot of stuff to happen lol, maybe at max slavery level npcs could forcegreet the owner and pay for sex with the player depending on dialogue choices between the owner and player or just some percentage settings.

 

EDIT2

 

Simple version, owner forcegreets the player once in a while and asks the player to submit to pimping so the owner can make some money. This dialogue only happens if the owner is also following the player under follower dialogue. The owner pimps out the player between 3 and 5 npcs wherever they happen to be either an inn or a hold whatever just not bandit camps or places like that. The animations could be limited to blowjob and standing from behind screwing and pillory sex.

[Zor2k13]

Hmm... just noticed something weird going on with dialogues for followers. I went back to an earlier save before my character submitted the lydia and noticed that I can't ask her to follow me anymore. There is the "mistress?" dialogue instead and I think that happened because of all the sex between my character and lydia sometime before then. After a while that dialogue seems to change back to "hello sweetie" but I don't remember if it gives back follower dialogue. Something is taking away follower dialogue just don't know what it is.

 

EDIT

 

Oh I found it I found the bug!

 

Lydia won't follow me because her relationship rank is -2 or foe rank. I don't know why this is except that I use the deviously enslaved continued mod and lydia sent my character to simple slavery once where she ended up going on the heroine in distress quest. Well this is weird gonna go over to that mod thread now and leave some info there.

 

Forgot to add that all my character was doing with lydia after running a few missions for people in whiterun was screwing a lot day and night. I don't see how screwing can make an npc not like the player lol.

[Zor2k13]

Ok I have been playing around with some zaz stuff and I think that is what gets me in trouble with lydia. I added to inventory the gold collar and wrist cuffs and ankle cuffs HDT then asked lydia to help me please! dialogue she agreed in exchange for sex. After the sex was over her rank went from 3 to 2. I started doing this after a bug with maria eden mod started adding wrist cuffs and blindfolds into my inventory. The wrist cuffs would trigger the help dialogue so I just kept doing it to get some sex right away. So now I have to find out is it just this dialogue doing it or sex of any kind?

 

 

EDIT

 

I tried this series of things for testing, first I just put on the zaz gold wrist cuffs and asked lydia the help me please dialogue then opened console and checked relationship rank for lydia it was still 3. Then I tried the sub dialogue options one at a time each time checking the rank and each time no change. Only after agreeing to sex in exchange for freedom and after finishing sex does the rank change. She tried to enslave me and threw an error message about can't enslave because actor is dead/ally/team mate. The error is something about crde? I think it is deviously enslaved continued mod so if I adjust the settings it should allow team mate to enslave but why does that happen just from freeing the player? Does the dialogue help me please come from that mod I gotta go check.

[Zor2k13]

This is maria eden mod related finally figured it out.

[DeepBlueFrog]

This is maria eden mod related finally figured it out.

 

I think I remember a warning on the Maria Eden page to not use it with SD+ but I can't find it now. Maybe I imagined it, but given the levels of scripting between the two, I would certainly expect some unintended side effects if you try using both at the same time.

[Content Consumer]

 

This is maria eden mod related finally figured it out.

 

I think I remember a warning on the Maria Eden page to not use it with SD+ but I can't find it now. Maybe I imagined it, but given the levels of scripting between the two, I would certainly expect some unintended side effects if you try using both at the same time.

 

 

I know Maria Eden conflicts with LAL and therefore with any LAL plugins. I've heard a lot of conflict reports about Maria Eden, actually (though not for a while now). Apparently it affects the game on a more fundamental level than most mods would go for.

Disclaimer: I haven't used it personally, other than just once to test if the CCAS Maria Eden scenario worked (it technically did, but with problems).

[Zor2k13]

Yeah I have to use LAL for several reasons, one being that if you use the maria quickstart plugin you always get stuck in the training house right away. I don't want to start there I want to end up there later over and over again throughout my playthrough but nope. LAL is very interesting it allows for mods like immerslave to work which I also use. I noticed since I started using mods like maria eden and all these sex mods that the default beginning bugs out really bad so LAL comes in handy to just skip it. Immerslave has an option to send the player to maria eden I think? and simple slavery. Simple slavery hooks into maria eden just in the worst way. If you somehow manage to get a bounty in skyrim and go to jail, maria eden now sends you from jail to the training house which is great but otherwise you have to ask to go there wth?

 

The way the maria quickstart handles helgen is crap but LAL takes care of it completely. I just wish ME would get along with LAL so we can have the best of both mods.

 

Looking through the CK with maria eden mod loaded I didn't see anything for that dialogue to cause relationship rank changes but there was some errors on load about one faction not being an ally of another even though the other was an ally. Maybe the conflicts are between factions in the different mods?

Hey is there any way to lock a relationship rank for an npc so it can't be changed anymore?

[aim4it]

The kneeling and crawling animations all work perfectly well here, BUT (always a but) after any enslavement I cant stay in first person camera at all. If i hit the F key it zooms in to 1st person for like a second then im kicked back to 3rd. Is anyone that doesnt use any camera mods at all getting this?

 

I tried using immersive first person but i just dont like it. Ill take any suggestions on camera mods or preferably an idea to fix this. Btw, the new crawling feature is amazing SkyrimLL!! 

 

Personally I use Immersive First Person now, cus I had a few issues with Enhanced Camera getting suck like you said, there's certain animation types its doesn't work well with, or mods with old code for devices.

 

But now I have to be careful because Skyrim Reloaded added hooks into the camera as well that kinda make the default distance in third person to far imo.

 

I have a question, probably an issue on my game or something: if armbinder combat is enabled, I can kick the hell out of my master until he dies and I'm free, simple as that. Shouldn't the owner answer to agression?

 

As always, thanks for the great work, skyrimll !

 

Good point.

 

There are safeguards to detect using a weapon against your master but not using bound combat since it was never possible to attack your master manually before. 

 

I will see what I can do to prevent that.

 

 

For me attacking the master like this too many times results in a punishment, sometimes, last time I tried it was pre 3.5.  But I play with YASH or Requiem, depends, which gives everything static levels, so at low level I do very little damage with arm binder combat unless perk for it.

[Saeros]

ok, some question..

I started a new game with CCAS, falmer enslaved...

after a couple of day in the darknes, raped by falmers and chaurus (estrus chaurus installed), my character was able to flee to surface, kicking its owner in the face (armbinder combat bug)..

the head was shaved and the skin pale and blue.. I notice the skin returning gradually to its natural color day by day, but the hair?..regrow or I should use racemenu? (actually, I have used racemenu)

and now, after some day of freedom, the standard idle animation is gone, replaced by kneeling bounded pose.

 

 

 

 

but character is not enslaved.

 

I have installed PCEA 2 ans Sexy Moves..resetting PCEA2 animation, idle returining normal...  save and reload --> kneeling pose. 

thanks in advance!

 

cheers

S.

 

edit: another thing, camera after some time in first person, go in third person (randomly.. sometimes immediately, sometimes they pass 30/40 seconds or more)

[Violence6884]

 

 

 

As a separate subject from the above, I believe it would be immersive if the PC's master had some sort of reaction to others fooling around with their slave. Just an idea. Maybe some sort of animosity or brawl or... Don't know. On the same subject, I feel the dialogue option "My master would not approve" is really pointless. I've picked it 10-20 times now and the outcome seems to be that I'll get raped either way by the assailant, even right in front of the master NPC. It would be fun to tie it to the above suggestion.

 

But really I think those are additions, the issues I mention in my previous post are more important IMHO.

 

If I remember well,' 'My master would not approve' should only appear from NPCs who wear a collar and should not result in any action for you.

 

 

 

 

About the dialogue option, here's a better explanation... I'm enslaved, Master NPC is nearby, another NPC approaches my PC and asks me if I want to be their slave instead. I pick "My master would not approve" and it's pointless because this situation always ends in me getting boned by that non master NPC, even in front of my master. Who actually does nothing under any circumstance. This is a bit immersion and logic breaking. The dialogue appears from any NPC interested in enslaving my PC, I don't think any of them was wearing a collar either. As mentioned it clearly results in the same thing; Me getting raped.

 

Also how about those NPCs following me everywhere all the damned time after that? That's the most annoying part!! Damned leeches!

 

 

I think you have interferences with another mod.

 

I can't remember having NPCs ask the player to be their slave instead and SD definitely doesn't have NPCs follow the player around like that..

 

Are you using Deviously Enslaved or Helpless maybe?

 

As always, yes. The previous version of SD+ played nice with them though, no such issues.