Sanguine Debauchery (SD+) (January 2025)

[BlasphemerZombie]

Hey peeps, peepets, having a bit of a problem. I got the mod installed (over a previous version from months ago) started up a new save, went to White River Watch (always go there to test this mod), kicked in the door killed some dudes, got my butt kicked by girl with a crossbow, bled out for a bit (quite painfully I add) and then got enslaved. All well and good up to that point, but then I found myself lacking the restraints of a slave, and with all the freedoms of a person running through a warm spring meadow. So I did what any sensible person would do, and that is reload and try again, but alas, still no luck. So I started searching for mods that could be conflicting with this one in the forums, decided to disable a few, and gave it another go in an epic battle of me v a crossbow (hint, crossbow won) and yet still the bandits saw no problem with letting me roam around without the proper amenities due to their property (though I was still stark naked) and so I turn to you my fellow masters of modding to help me find a solution to this most vexing of problems, should you require any information about the problem that I have not provided (probably a lot) do tell me as this is like my first time asking for help here, thanks in advance.

[eflat0]

I can't remove sanguine's collar... being released from slavery did not remove it, keys did not remove it, is a spectral device... talking to him in dreamworld will not remove it, console will not remove it, Hmmm.... thinking of options as are other mods this will conflict with...

[VaunWolfe]

I have an issue not sure if you could help me or not. But upon completion of the sprigan quest It removes all of it but the gloves. They don't show up in my inventory and I can't equip any other gloves. They are just there. 

[boundmew]

I have an issue not sure if you could help me or not. But upon completion of the sprigan quest It removes all of it but the gloves. They don't show up in my inventory and I can't equip any other gloves. They are just there. 

 

Can you see them with player.showinventory in the console? If so, can you remove them with player.removeitem?

 

If not, are they showing up graphically on you? can other items be equipped in your inventory but just not show up graphically? If so, could be broken meshes/save. Load from before it happened and hope for the best. I've had this happen with things like a pillory before, and they behave like they've become a part of the character.

[DeepBlueFrog]

 

I have an issue not sure if you could help me or not. But upon completion of the sprigan quest It removes all of it but the gloves. They don't show up in my inventory and I can't equip any other gloves. They are just there. 

 

Can you see them with player.showinventory in the console? If so, can you remove them with player.removeitem?

 

If not, are they showing up graphically on you? can other items be equipped in your inventory but just not show up graphically? If so, could be broken meshes/save. Load from before it happened and hope for the best. I've had this happen with things like a pillory before, and they behave like they've become a part of the character.

 

 

I run into that bug from time to time. 

 

Hopefully it will be fixed eventually.

[mangalo]

Will there be a way to reset the whole mod ?  Whenever I get "killed", I end up in the dreamworld, get the magic chains from Sanguine, the "Enslaved" quest starts (because I've been killed), and the Owner manages to get into the dreamworld, starting to kill everyone.  Meanwhile, I can't talk to anyone, and if I pull the chain to get back to Skyrim, I end up keeping the magic restraints, even if I use the safe word.  In short, I can't get enslaved anymore :/

[Budroi]

Will there be a way to reset the whole mod ?  Whenever I get "killed", I end up in the dreamworld, get the magic chains from Sanguine, the "Enslaved" quest starts (because I've been killed), and the Owner manages to get into the dreamworld, starting to kill everyone.  Meanwhile, I can't talk to anyone, and if I pull the chain to get back to Skyrim, I end up keeping the magic restraints, even if I use the safe word.  In short, I can't get enslaved anymore :/

 

try to resort with loot, sounds like maybe you have a conflict somewhere.

that and verify Load order in tes5edit.

(check around LL for how to. I do not know how unless that just means load entire load order in tes5edit and apply filter for cleaning.)

[GingerTroll]

 

 

I for the life of me cannot get this to work. I CTD right after the Bethesda logo no matter what I do. I have Dawnguard, Dragonborn, and Frostfall installed along with the SD patches. I have every requirement installed and have checked over 5 times if I am missing something and I'm not. 

 

Here's my load order because I assume it has to be a random conflict at this point. Either that or it's something REALLY obvious.

 

 

A lot of things can cause CTD after logo, most common however is a mod missing a master or an incorrect load order. Run loot, see if it points out anything wrong. Run Wyre Bash, see if it flags anything red.

 

Other things, make sure you run the GenerateFNISforUsers. Also, this won't be causing the CtD but you look to be missing your reproccer and reproccer patch for SkyRe to fix the damage and armour values for all your custom weapons and armour (and if you end up using a bashed patch with these, make sure to set it to not import stats as that will also mess up damage and armour values for skyre in my experience).

 

Sorry this is insanely late but I downloaded LOOT and you were correct about missing a master file. I was missing one of the Devious mods because when I previously tried to install it I didn't think I'd need it because I always use a male character but apparently I did need it and now I can at least get it to work though I have been having trouble with getting enslaved. My character either dies, just stays in the bleedout/blackout phase forever, or it just goes funky. It takes numerous attempts to actually get enslaved. Regardless of whether you can help me with that, thanks for suggesting LOOT as BOSS wasn't notifying me that I actually needed the Devious mods.

[CliftonJD]

 

 

I dunno if my issue was already resolved somwhere (I apologize if it was).

 

After I enter the Dreamworld and talk with Sanguine for the first time, enemies won't attack me anymore. I tried disabling SD but that didn't fix it, so I went back to a savegame before entering the Dreamworld. After that everything worked as it should. At least until I got sent to the Dreamworld again.

 

For now I'll disable the Dreamworld event and check if this issue comes up otherwise.

 

 

Does anyone have some ideas regarding this?

 

Do you have Defeat?

 

If you do, go into the Defeat menu and run Clean up. That will fix your issue with friendly bandits.

 

That means something didn't go right during a fight, before you went to Dreamworld.

 

The only way SD impacts friendliness is when you decide to join your master at the end of enslavement.

 

There will be a solution to that eventually, after I am done with this update.

 

 

A while back I thought this problem would go away if I gave up on Defeat. As of the last version of SD+ this was still occurring in 100% of the games (not every attempted enslavement, but it did eventually happen over the course of play) that I tried to start.

 

I began to recognize that this happen when going into bleedout or blackout, as though the DA mechanics, as they attempted to deliver my PCs into enslavement, started to hang in the calmed monsters effect of DA.

 

This seems like the only reasonable explanation left at this point, so my advice would be to look at everything that has to do with DA's calmed monsters mechanics.

 

 

i set my death alternative to the lowest possible calming effect on mosters, would be disabled if the option were available

 

 

 

As much as I like Helpless, I had to turn it down for now as it has a tendency to kick in in the middle of SD scenes or trigger way too many times while you are enslaved.

 

I also found a situation where changing cell or going to sleep while Helpless' queue is not empty can lead to a CTD.

 

 

Heh, I've never gotten that far... never had it working since I installed SD.

 

I do think I've actually run into that second bug you mentioned, though had no idea what was causing it. I guess I do now.

 

 

I'm having some issues with related mods (not reall this one, mostly, so far that I can tell... but thought I'd mention it because... ) I noticed you list something about a DAYMOYL incompatability? I'm using DAYMOYL along with Submit, Defeat, Submit+DD+FF, Devious Capture, Deviously Helpless, and SD+, and I'm having near constant issues with Submit, Defeat, and Helpless. Can you tell me what this incompatability entails? I'm only asking here because it seems like there's a lot of integration and interropability between this mod and the ones having trouble.

 

Full write up of the problem with logs and load order here: http://www.loverslab.com/topic/21484-devious-devices-integration-now-with-a-devicesundies-underneath-system-05252014/page-230?do=findComment&comment=890475 Thanks in advance.

If you really have both submit and submit+dd, that's probably your problem. Submit+ no longer needs base submit, so those two are probably fighting.

 

 

I'm using Submit+DD+FF, which is a seperate, independently developed mod follower friendly that shares no code with Submit+DD. It was the only (out of several) Submit+DD integration mods I could find that had been updated in the last 6 months. I could try using Submit+DD instead, but it doesn't look like it's supported anymore... and furthermore, I just looked and Submit+DD -does- list Submit as a requirement. Are you thinking of another mod somewhere?

 

EDIT: It looks like the problem might be Submit+DD+FF after all. Going to remove it and try to find a suitable replacement tomorrow.

 

i disabled automatic mode of submit back when i first switched to sd+ i found you could get a conflict between the 2 that caused non-stop raped by submit even after escaping and no enslavements

 

Still cannot get enslaved. I start a new game, all default settings. Get into a fight and lose. The blackout happens, but then the enemies are just standing there. Tried it with Defeat and without. Nothing works. Help?

the enemies standing around is back to the same calming effect of death alternative listed above

 

Hey peeps, peepets, having a bit of a problem. I got the mod installed (over a previous version from months ago) started up a new save, went to White River Watch (always go there to test this mod), kicked in the door killed some dudes, got my butt kicked by girl with a crossbow, bled out for a bit (quite painfully I add) and then got enslaved. All well and good up to that point, but then I found myself lacking the restraints of a slave, and with all the freedoms of a person running through a warm spring meadow. So I did what any sensible person would do, and that is reload and try again, but alas, still no luck. So I started searching for mods that could be conflicting with this one in the forums, decided to disable a few, and gave it another go in an epic battle of me v a crossbow (hint, crossbow won) and yet still the bandits saw no problem with letting me roam around without the proper amenities due to their property (though I was still stark naked) and so I turn to you my fellow masters of modding to help me find a solution to this most vexing of problems, should you require any information about the problem that I have not provided (probably a lot) do tell me as this is like my first time asking for help here, thanks in advance.

that sounds like you're lacking the devious devices - new requirement of the mod

go get DDi and DDassets

 

Will there be a way to reset the whole mod ?  Whenever I get "killed", I end up in the dreamworld, get the magic chains from Sanguine, the "Enslaved" quest starts (because I've been killed), and the Owner manages to get into the dreamworld, starting to kill everyone.  Meanwhile, I can't talk to anyone, and if I pull the chain to get back to Skyrim, I end up keeping the magic restraints, even if I use the safe word.  In short, I can't get enslaved anymore :/

the restraints are DD now, spectral is a nice skin texture, but they use the same release functions as other DD items - go find keys somewhere or make them at a forge or add a mod that adds more keys chances to the game - check thru the DD posts for those

[CliftonJD]

just adding a question of curiosity if the latest update to this adds the effect or if any1 here knows what mod adds it or is it the latest sl update - that adds "you seem to be covered in something sticky" (turn the camera around as if looking in the mirror and it appears you were involved in an orgy with no recollection) when you wake

[Budroi]

just adding a question of curiosity if the latest update to this adds the effect or if any1 here knows what mod adds it or is it the latest sl update - that adds "you seem to be covered in something sticky" (turn the camera around as if looking in the mirror and it appears you were involved in an orgy with no recollection) when you wake

 

wasn't that one of the cutscenes in dark investigations?

[CliftonJD]

 

just adding a question of curiosity if the latest update to this adds the effect or if any1 here knows what mod adds it or is it the latest sl update - that adds "you seem to be covered in something sticky" (turn the camera around as if looking in the mirror and it appears you were involved in an orgy with no recollection) when you wake

 

wasn't that one of the cutscenes in dark investigations?

 

i deleted that mod before i could even play it - fnis found too many errors in it to keep even the loose scripts behind so i've no idea what was in that mod

[Budroi]

 

 

just adding a question of curiosity if the latest update to this adds the effect or if any1 here knows what mod adds it or is it the latest sl update - that adds "you seem to be covered in something sticky" (turn the camera around as if looking in the mirror and it appears you were involved in an orgy with no recollection) when you wake

 

wasn't that one of the cutscenes in dark investigations?

 

i deleted that mod before i could even play it - fnis found too many errors in it to keep even the loose scripts behind so i've no idea what was in that mod

 

 

Then I'm not sure.

*also newest version of DI is out

*no FNIS issues.

http://dark-investigations.blogspot.com/?zx=69baf3350164916b

[CliftonJD]

 

 

 

just adding a question of curiosity if the latest update to this adds the effect or if any1 here knows what mod adds it or is it the latest sl update - that adds "you seem to be covered in something sticky" (turn the camera around as if looking in the mirror and it appears you were involved in an orgy with no recollection) when you wake

 

wasn't that one of the cutscenes in dark investigations?

 

i deleted that mod before i could even play it - fnis found too many errors in it to keep even the loose scripts behind so i've no idea what was in that mod

 

 

Then I'm not sure.

*also newest version of DI is out

*no FNIS issues.

http://dark-investigations.blogspot.com/?zx=69baf3350164916b

 

thanks, i'll look into that

Edit:  looking into that now, i see the requirement for "SexiS" has been removed even with the animations listed in the credits to the authors, if i remember right that initial requirement of the other mod is what had the issues in fnis

[mangalo]

 

Will there be a way to reset the whole mod ?  Whenever I get "killed", I end up in the dreamworld, get the magic chains from Sanguine, the "Enslaved" quest starts (because I've been killed), and the Owner manages to get into the dreamworld, starting to kill everyone.  Meanwhile, I can't talk to anyone, and if I pull the chain to get back to Skyrim, I end up keeping the magic restraints, even if I use the safe word.  In short, I can't get enslaved anymore :/

 

try to resort with loot, sounds like maybe you have a conflict somewhere.

that and verify Load order in tes5edit.

(check around LL for how to. I do not know how unless that just means load entire load order in tes5edit and apply filter for cleaning.)

 

 

 

 

Will there be a way to reset the whole mod ?  Whenever I get "killed", I end up in the dreamworld, get the magic chains from Sanguine, the "Enslaved" quest starts (because I've been killed), and the Owner manages to get into the dreamworld, starting to kill everyone.  Meanwhile, I can't talk to anyone, and if I pull the chain to get back to Skyrim, I end up keeping the magic restraints, even if I use the safe word.  In short, I can't get enslaved anymore :/

the restraints are DD now, spectral is a nice skin texture, but they use the same release functions as other DD items - go find keys somewhere or make them at a forge or add a mod that adds more keys chances to the game - check thru the DD posts for those

 

 

Thanks for the help, though, being a french player, it's still a pain in the ass to figure how to deal with those kind of issues.  I used LOOT, but I still get an horrible slavery-dreamworld mix.  However, I tried to start a fresh game, and managed to get properly enslaved, and get to the dreamworld by sleeping after being freed.  But at that point, I still can't speak to anyone in the dreamworld (I tried to disable the dreamworld in Death Alternatives, it was no use), nor can I use keys because I can't access the inventory when bound.  I don't think DD is involved, I often use "Captured Dreams" and never had any problems with the devices.

 

I checked on how to clean mods with tes5edit, there are lots of red cells but even following videos, I can't get rid of them :/  Any hint or comprehensible link ?

[CliftonJD]

 

 

Will there be a way to reset the whole mod ?  Whenever I get "killed", I end up in the dreamworld, get the magic chains from Sanguine, the "Enslaved" quest starts (because I've been killed), and the Owner manages to get into the dreamworld, starting to kill everyone.  Meanwhile, I can't talk to anyone, and if I pull the chain to get back to Skyrim, I end up keeping the magic restraints, even if I use the safe word.  In short, I can't get enslaved anymore :/

 

try to resort with loot, sounds like maybe you have a conflict somewhere.

that and verify Load order in tes5edit.

(check around LL for how to. I do not know how unless that just means load entire load order in tes5edit and apply filter for cleaning.)

 

 

 

 

Will there be a way to reset the whole mod ?  Whenever I get "killed", I end up in the dreamworld, get the magic chains from Sanguine, the "Enslaved" quest starts (because I've been killed), and the Owner manages to get into the dreamworld, starting to kill everyone.  Meanwhile, I can't talk to anyone, and if I pull the chain to get back to Skyrim, I end up keeping the magic restraints, even if I use the safe word.  In short, I can't get enslaved anymore :/

the restraints are DD now, spectral is a nice skin texture, but they use the same release functions as other DD items - go find keys somewhere or make them at a forge or add a mod that adds more keys chances to the game - check thru the DD posts for those

 

 

Thanks for the help, though, being a french player, it's still a pain in the ass to figure how to deal with those kind of issues.  I used LOOT, but I still get an horrible slavery-dreamworld mix.  However, I tried to start a fresh game, and managed to get properly enslaved, and get to the dreamworld by sleeping after being freed.  But at that point, I still can't speak to anyone in the dreamworld (I tried to disable the dreamworld in Death Alternatives, it was no use), nor can I use keys because I can't access the inventory when bound.  I don't think DD is involved, I often use "Captured Dreams" and never had any problems with the devices.

 

I checked on how to clean mods with tes5edit, there are lots of red cells but even following videos, I can't get rid of them :/  Any hint or comprehensible link ?

 

you can't speak to anybody in dreamworld because the new update to sd+ uses a more effective gag by using devious devices as a requirement - you're gagged, until you finish the questline with sam at the bar (that entire questline) you also can't have followers with you to help free you of your gag and/or bindings

the old sd+ just used generic gag and bindings from zaz meaning you couldn't cast, but could still speak with npc's, not so true with devious devices gags - that particular gag used is so effective that if you get free of it and give it to your follower you can no longer communicate with that follower

however After completing the drinking contest with sam and its questline your followers should appear there with you (unless thats an aft perk) and you'll have the option to use other mods at your disposal from there, DD_restrained points toward what you're looking for

[mangalo]

I'll try DD_restrained, but do you mean you are able to talk in the dreamworld or is it a common issue ?  Thanks anyway

 

Urgh my saves are getting so fucked up, I'm even getting naked when resisting in "Sexlab romance"...  Would there be a way to avoid the dreamworld ? (always getting sent there)

[CliftonJD]

I'll try DD_restrained, but do you mean you are able to talk in the dreamworld or is it a common issue ?  Thanks anyway

 

Urgh my saves are getting so fucked up, I'm even getting naked when resisting in "Sexlab romance"...  Would there be a way to avoid the dreamworld ? (always getting sent there)

yes, after the gag is removed you can talk there, it was originally designed to have that ability, in fact new dialogs have been added to the dreamworld This update proving the player should be able to somehow get that ability - old sd+ only had standard sexlab dialogs in the dreamworld, but now its a bit more storyline to the npc's in the dreamworld, i'm actually to the point i'm trying to get back more frequent as even sanguine's dialog has changed with quite a twist to his storyline as well, i won't spoil that for ya, but basically i'm curious to see where that takes me (new dialog seems to react to what you say)

[DeepBlueFrog]

The next update along with the latest version of Devious Devices should help with gags.

 

Right now, only DD restrained has a system that allows SD to disable gags block on dialogues for your Master and Sanguine.

 

The new version of Devious Devices should have a new system of factions that will allow the next version of SD to disable gags blocks for Masters and Sanguine for any mod using gags.

[BlasphemerZombie]

I do have the Devious Devices integrated and Assets installed, that is why it confused me.

[CliftonJD]

I do have the Devious Devices integrated and Assets installed, that is why it confused me.

ya got me then, haven't personally tested this on a new save yet so everything else seems to be working, haven't tested enslavement since i updated it, was working fine before update is all i know and i'd have to strip down And strip my followers Or leave them behind - i'm a slaver now testing out mods of enslaving others, found my first 2 bugs in the original s3 - hogtied slave still escapes and escaped slave still occupies the slaver's slot

 

try posting your modlist, maybe that'll help, if i can't find somethig there, maybe some1 else can 

[VaunWolfe]

When I go into the dream world Sanquine is no where to be found.

[Kovya]

So, is Death Alternative ABSOLUTELY necessary or will sexlab defeat do just fine?

[mangalo]

 

I'll try DD_restrained, but do you mean you are able to talk in the dreamworld or is it a common issue ?  Thanks anyway

 

Urgh my saves are getting so fucked up, I'm even getting naked when resisting in "Sexlab romance"...  Would there be a way to avoid the dreamworld ? (always getting sent there)

yes, after the gag is removed you can talk there, it was originally designed to have that ability, in fact new dialogs have been added to the dreamworld This update proving the player should be able to somehow get that ability - old sd+ only had standard sexlab dialogs in the dreamworld, but now its a bit more storyline to the npc's in the dreamworld, i'm actually to the point i'm trying to get back more frequent as even sanguine's dialog has changed with quite a twist to his storyline as well, i won't spoil that for ya, but basically i'm curious to see where that takes me (new dialog seems to react to what you say)

 

 

Ok DD restrained seems to work, but now the magical restraints aren't taken off when sent back to Skyrim (sorry to be such a bother )

[DeepBlueFrog]

 

 

I'll try DD_restrained, but do you mean you are able to talk in the dreamworld or is it a common issue ?  Thanks anyway

 

Urgh my saves are getting so fucked up, I'm even getting naked when resisting in "Sexlab romance"...  Would there be a way to avoid the dreamworld ? (always getting sent there)

yes, after the gag is removed you can talk there, it was originally designed to have that ability, in fact new dialogs have been added to the dreamworld This update proving the player should be able to somehow get that ability - old sd+ only had standard sexlab dialogs in the dreamworld, but now its a bit more storyline to the npc's in the dreamworld, i'm actually to the point i'm trying to get back more frequent as even sanguine's dialog has changed with quite a twist to his storyline as well, i won't spoil that for ya, but basically i'm curious to see where that takes me (new dialog seems to react to what you say)

 

 

Ok DD restrained seems to work, but now the magical restraints aren't taken off when sent back to Skyrim (sorry to be such a bother )

 

 

They will come off by themselves.

 

You can also ask people to help if you have a gag using Restrained dialogues.