Sanguine Debauchery (SD+) (January 2025)

[DeepBlueFrog]

Death Alternative seems to be fickle. I have to frequently use the utility settings to reset my player state. Using the health buffer seems to help. I understand SD+ using DA, I just wish DA wasn't so dull. Being teleported to the start of a dungeon when I die is just busy work. A brigand stealing your gear is not really a problem when my PC can just torch him with destruction magic.

You can easily disable events from DA that you don't want.

[BareFeetSlave]

What is the difference to normal Sanguine Debauchery. As I see SD+ ads only bugs. Hope that I'm wrong, but it's not working completely. For example I'm stuck IN some wall or floor & I'm unable to move & rotate camera (unstuck does nothing). If i exit the game and load the game saved BEFORE it happened i get CTD.

[jfraser]

What is the difference to normal Sanguine Debauchery. As I see SD+ ads only bugs. Hope that I'm wrong, but it's not working completely. For example I'm stuck IN some wall or floor & I'm unable to move & rotate camera (unstuck does nothing). If i exit the game and load the game saved BEFORE it happened i get CTD.

Sounds more like a Sexlab issue. Turn off the free camera option. And please try not to be rude to the poor modders by telling them their hard work is only good for adding bugs.

[magicrealm]

So ... stop me if you heard this one before.

 

My current toon just got her first visit to the dream world. Now for various reasons I'd just uninstalled and script cleaned a couple of mods, and as a consequence the bondage gear my gal had been using had gone with them. So I though it would be cool to see if I could bring the restraints back from the dream world.

 

So what I did was use the Submit conversation options to start a sex scene with one of the bound slaves. That got her hands free and let me unequip some of the items. Then Sanguine showed up and I asked to be set free, and rather to my surprise he agreed. And I wound up back in the Sleeping Giant Inn with a collar in my pocket.

 

So far so good. I was a but surprised to find wearing the collar started the roll-of-thunder noise, the red lighting and the blood-spattered body shader. Not a problem of course, just a cool thing to find out.

 

What did catch me by surprise was when the bound slave from the dreamworld appeared in the Inn with another peal of thunder and started assuming various bondage poses while following me around and asking if I'd like a drink.

 

So the Sleeping Giant Inn has a new blood-soaked barmaid it seems. Any idea how to get her to go back where she belongs? She's a little creepy in a normal setting

 

haha thats the bannered mare we alwasy wanted to have.

 

[DeepBlueFrog]

So ... stop me if you heard this one before.

 

My current toon just got her first visit to the dream world. Now for various reasons I'd just uninstalled and script cleaned a couple of mods, and as a consequence the bondage gear my gal had been using had gone with them. So I though it would be cool to see if I could bring the restraints back from the dream world.

 

So what I did was use the Submit conversation options to start a sex scene with one of the bound slaves. That got her hands free and let me unequip some of the items. Then Sanguine showed up and I asked to be set free, and rather to my surprise he agreed. And I wound up back in the Sleeping Giant Inn with a collar in my pocket.

 

So far so good. I was a but surprised to find wearing the collar started the roll-of-thunder noise, the red lighting and the blood-spattered body shader. Not a problem of course, just a cool thing to find out.

 

What did catch me by surprise was when the bound slave from the dreamworld appeared in the Inn with another peal of thunder and started assuming various bondage poses while following me around and asking if I'd like a drink.

 

So the Sleeping Giant Inn has a new blood-soaked barmaid it seems. Any idea how to get her to go back where she belongs? She's a little creepy in a normal setting

 

That's odd but it can happen if she was talking to you the moment you were sent back by Sanguine... just the same way an NPC can follow you through a door if the were talking to you while you were going out.

 

She should go back to her position in Dreamworld the next time you go there.

[magicrealm]

what is death alternative doing in the bleedout mode withour sd+ and defeat installed ?

[DeepBlueFrog]

what is death alternative doing in the bleedout mode withour sd+ and defeat installed ?

 

Look at the bleedout menu in Death alternative and ignore Defeat and SD scenarios there.

What remains is what DA does by default on bleedout (should be just a Necromancy option, which allows you to absorb a soul gem to get back up).

[deadmetal]

Got to say im looking forward to the possibility of giant and other wild beast enslavements, I imagine a few of those are quite a ways off though right?

[DeepBlueFrog]

Got to say im looking forward to the possibility of giant and other wild beast enslavements, I imagine a few of those are quite a ways off though right?

 

Yes they are.

 

I am rewriting the foundations of SD to allow that kind of scenarios in the future. For now, I still have to finish the task/need based master/slave interaction.

 

Once that is done, adding new types of enslavement scenarios will be a matter of:

 

- creating an enslavement trigger for DA (if in combat)

- creating a custom outfit for the slave

- defining tasks that will rule the schedule of the slave

 

That last point will be the hard part.

 

It would be cool to have the player be the prisoner of a spider in her lair or a pack of wolves or a giant, but the hard part will be to define what that kind of enslavement actually looks like in a way that is playable, since these NPCs are typically just standing there waiting to be killed.

[Oghmatorro]

I have a question to SD+ and DA. I just started a new game and wanted to try out what happens when i die. I started SD (install and begin) fought and died but SD dreamstate/dreamworld never started. Being essential triggers bar after bar and the get refilled. Other events aren't triggered either. If I die I just die normally and get a reload.

 

Is there a possibility to use SD+ only on death to be "saved" by sanguine and not for the enslavement stuff? If there is how have I to configure SD+ and DYMOYL? 

[deadmetal]

Well as far as animal enslavement, theres two things animals care about, reproduction and food.

 

Reproduction should be self explanatory, as for food...well perhaps with giants the tasks involve feeding livestock, with wolves it would be carrying animal carcass' to lairs etc

 

oh and are we getting an update this weekend? im currently debating weather or not to wait before I roll a new character, clean save and all

[DeepBlueFrog]

Well as far as animal enslavement, theres two things animals care about, reproduction and food.

 

Reproduction should be self explanatory, as for food...well perhaps with giants the tasks involve feeding livestock, with wolves it would be carrying animal carcass' to lairs etc

 

oh and are we getting an update this weekend? im currently debating weather or not to wait before I roll a new character, clean save and all

 

Maybe late tonight.

 

I was hoping to do more testing over the weekend but real life obligations took precedence.

[DeepBlueFrog]

Well as far as animal enslavement, theres two things animals care about, reproduction and food.

 

Reproduction should be self explanatory, as for food...well perhaps with giants the tasks involve feeding livestock, with wolves it would be carrying animal carcass' to lairs etc

 

oh and are we getting an update this weekend? im currently debating weather or not to wait before I roll a new character, clean save and all

 

For Dreamworld to work you need:

 

1- to have SD actually running (using BEGIN in the menu or after A night to remember)

2- to have been enslaved and escape once in order to trigger the first visit to Dreamworld.

 

Before the first visit, you just die like everyone else

[RabidRabbits11]

So i completed the Flowering Spriggan questline and I wanted to know If I should still be experiencing the effects. Even though I am no longer a host npcs still react to my "smell" and whatnot.. Im not complaining because it makes it sort of interesting but I was just wondering if it was meant to do that.

[DeepBlueFrog]

So i completed the Flowering Spriggan questline and I wanted to know If I should still be experiencing the effects. Even though I am no longer a host npcs still react to my "smell" and whatnot.. Im not complaining because it makes it sort of interesting but I was just wondering if it was meant to do that.

 

The effect should dissipate after a few hours.

[gaggedgirl123]

What is the difference to normal Sanguine Debauchery. As I see SD+ ads only bugs. Hope that I'm wrong, but it's not working completely. For example I'm stuck IN some wall or floor & I'm unable to move & rotate camera (unstuck does nothing). If i exit the game and load the game saved BEFORE it happened i get CTD.

 

You must have forgot to set DA to bleedout only. If you ragdoll with DA and the enslavement/anything sexlab starts, there WILL be animation problems, camera problems, and in 99% of cases the game will become utterly unplayable.

 

I didn't believe the incompatibility at first, then I tried it and I understood it lol

[DeepBlueFrog]

 

What is the difference to normal Sanguine Debauchery. As I see SD+ ads only bugs. Hope that I'm wrong, but it's not working completely. For example I'm stuck IN some wall or floor & I'm unable to move & rotate camera (unstuck does nothing). If i exit the game and load the game saved BEFORE it happened i get CTD.

 

You must have forgot to set DA to bleedout only. If you ragdoll with DA and the enslavement/anything sexlab starts, there WILL be animation problems, camera problems, and in 99% of cases the game will become utterly unplayable.

 

I didn't believe the incompatibility at first, then I tried it and I understood it lol

 

 

I still vote for the sexLab free cam issue.

 

I have been using ragdoll with DA since I fixed it a couple of versions back and it is still working fine.

[testarossa]

 

Biological armor? Like the Symbiote armor for FNV? That would be supreme! Now we just need Cursed Armor like Obl and we're set.

 

The biological armor I have in mind is a tentacle based armor I saw somewhere.

 

This one: http://skyrim.jpn.org/images/400/40099.jpg 

 

What is the cursed armor?

 

 

That's Aradia's Living Armor.  It's actually from this site.  People are passing around links to download it off of a Chinese site, which I think is the UNP version, but I also have a Bodyslide version.  Someone posted a CSHBC version (I can't find the post) and I edited it to work with CBBE.  If anyone is interested I can see about uploading it here.

[DeepBlueFrog]

 

 

Biological armor? Like the Symbiote armor for FNV? That would be supreme! Now we just need Cursed Armor like Obl and we're set.

 

The biological armor I have in mind is a tentacle based armor I saw somewhere.

 

This one: http://skyrim.jpn.org/images/400/40099.jpg 

 

What is the cursed armor?

 

 

That's Aradia's Living Armor.  It's actually from this site.  People are passing around links to download it off of a Chinese site, which I think is the UNP version, but I also have a Bodyslide version.  Someone posted a CSHBC version (I can't find the post) and I edited it to work with CBBE.  If anyone is interested I can see about uploading it here.

 

 

Cool.. do you know who it is from?

 

I am still some ways off before using this one but it is always good to know for asking for permissions.

[DeepBlueFrog]

If you are waiting for an update tonight, you will have to wait a little more. I have to delay this update in order to include some important fixes. 

 

I will try again next week.

[Oghmatorro]

 

Well as far as animal enslavement, theres two things animals care about, reproduction and food.

 

Reproduction should be self explanatory, as for food...well perhaps with giants the tasks involve feeding livestock, with wolves it would be carrying animal carcass' to lairs etc

 

oh and are we getting an update this weekend? im currently debating weather or not to wait before I roll a new character, clean save and all

 

For Dreamworld to work you need:

 

1- to have SD actually running (using BEGIN in the menu or after A night to remember)

2- to have been enslaved and escape once in order to trigger the first visit to Dreamworld.

 

Before the first visit, you just die like everyone else

 

 

Ok thank you. So it won't work for a new char since A night to remember requires lvl 14. But I can try with another char.

 

[DeepBlueFrog]

 

 

Well as far as animal enslavement, theres two things animals care about, reproduction and food.

 

Reproduction should be self explanatory, as for food...well perhaps with giants the tasks involve feeding livestock, with wolves it would be carrying animal carcass' to lairs etc

 

oh and are we getting an update this weekend? im currently debating weather or not to wait before I roll a new character, clean save and all

 

For Dreamworld to work you need:

 

1- to have SD actually running (using BEGIN in the menu or after A night to remember)

2- to have been enslaved and escape once in order to trigger the first visit to Dreamworld.

 

Before the first visit, you just die like everyone else

 

 

Ok thank you. So it won't work for a new char since A night to remember requires lvl 14. But I can try with another char.

 

 

 

It can work on a new char if you chose to start SD manually using INSTALL then BEGIN in the menu.

[Kapes]

 So this is kind of a long shot, (and sorry if it's been answered before.) but do you think the REinstalling will ever be fixed? I had SD a while ago but I took it off cause I cant remember, something broke or conflicted or something, anyway I wanted to try it again but it doesn't work on my main character save and I don't want to start a new game

[Teralyna]

Load Order:

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
SexLab.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
ZazAnimationPack.esm
Devious Devices - Assets.esm
daymoyl.esm
Devious Devices - Integration.esm
HighRes TexturePack01.esp
HighRes TexturePack02.esp
HighRes TexturePack03.esp
SkyUI.esp
Devious Deviants.esp
sanguinesDebauchery.esp
SDoatch - dawnguard.esp
SDpatch - dragonborn.esp
3DNPC.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

 

 

In the MCM I have changed DA by putting calm duration to 1 hour, and in Bleedout I have everything disabled except SD enslavement, SD Spriggen and SD Sanguine.  In Devious Devices I changed the blindfold strength to the lowest setting.  In Sanguine Debauchery I changed blindfold to 80% and disabled the Sanguine artifact.  Sanguine Debauchery was installed and began.

 

I have a couple of problems with it.  For one, bandits will not enslave me at all.  They fight me until blackout, and then they become non-hostile totally.  If I fight them, I really have to be aggressive before they'll even attack me, and once they are hostile, they just keep wailing on me for quite some time.  The bleedout bar is empty, and my healthbar will just refill when it empties.  When it finally does end, I just lay on the ground for an indefinite amount of time.

 

For townspeople, I will get enslaved.  Sometimes the screen just went black, and I could only see the UI.  I knew I was moving...I could hear if I jumped, and icons on the map would move as I did.  This is why I turned the blindfold down...perhaps this is intended?  (It may be good to note that in all my tests with townspeople, I had started a new game and attacked someone in Riverwood when I first came into town to get aggro.)

 

Other times with the same townspeople, I'll get enslaved and the initiation sex scene will take place.  Afterwards, I can not move.  I can't open inventory at all, and my camera doesn't rotate as normal.  I just stare at my character.  I can open the regular menu 'esc'.  I also can crouch (sneak).  But I can not move my character, can't wait out time, can't open inventory, can't jump...just basically stuck there to watch.  If there is an object (or person) in front of me, I can use the action key 'e' on them however.  If I talk to my owner, I can dance for them or say anything to them.  (Same with anyone else...if a person walks in the right spot in front of me, I can chat with them normally...just that my character is stuck).  I did use the 'end' key...which did move me closer to my owner.  Still, I can't move afterwards.  I don't know how long this lasts...it may be indefinite...I waited half an hour real time, and was still stuck.  If this is an intended feature, it really saps the enjoyment out.

 

The only time it did seem to work properly to me (I was enslaved, bound, and able to move and do stuff), I couldn't talk to my owner (who happened to be Gerdur at the time...maybe that explains it?).  Otherwise, in several attempts at getting it to work, it just didn't seem to.  I had other mods installed, but uninstalled them when I had problem and only installed the ones listed above again before starting a new game.  Still issues.

 

I first tried SD earlier this year, in January.  I have to say I loved the idea of it.  I don't think it was entirely playable at that time, more of a novelty toy.  It seemed to have big plans, though.  I love hearing what has changed since integration with Death Alternative and was really excited (am really excited) to see them.  I would love if someone could help me figure out what's going wrong for me.

 

I also want to give Skyrmll kudos for awesome vision and the hard work that's gone into this mod.  Thanks you. ^^

 

*edit*  I also use CBBE.  Not sure which of those files in the load order is CBBE (if any), though it definitely works in my game. >.>

[jonjonzz]

 So this is kind of a long shot, (and sorry if it's been answered before.) but do you think the REinstalling will ever be fixed? I had SD a while ago but I took it off cause I cant remember, something broke or conflicted or something, anyway I wanted to try it again but it doesn't work on my main character save and I don't want to start a new game

 

I'm currently working with SkyrimLL to resolve issues with the uninstall/reinstall, hopefully that will all be fixed soon and while I can't promise it'll resolve whatever issues you are having because it's likely the changes won't grandfather previous saves such as yours, I can say that your issues may be resolved via "Save Game Script Cleaner", but I cannot say for sure. However, if you could send me papyrus logs of failed reinstallation attempts I would be more than happy to attempt to have the new script fix those issues for you (again, no promises).

 

@Teralyna posting (or pm'ing [to me as I'm not able to speak on SkyrimLL's behalf]) papyrus logs would most likely be helpful in this case, little can be done to diagnose the problem without them.