Advanced Nudity Detection

[Fraying9981]

in the KID file share thread, should I download the main file of your post only, or the main file + the relevant addon files in the comments?

 

 

[NymphoElf]

13 minutes ago, Fraying9981 said:

in the KID file share thread, should I download the main file of your post only, or the main file + the relevant addon files in the comments?

 

 

 

That's entirely up to you.

 

My current FOMOD is compiled from everything that was available in January/February, but that also doesn't mean I added every KID file because there are duplicates (ie: Person A uploads a KID for a certain mod, then Person B uploads a KID for the same mod).

 

I'll probably go back to just uploading my own "Official" files for certain mods instead of a community-compiled FOMOD because that took FOREVER to make.

Edited October 1, 2025 by NymphoElf

[NymphoElf]

3 hours ago, angrykiwi said:

Used the same conditions to get the logs: topless with only bottom underwear

 

Ok, but just to be entirely clear - you do understand that as of 2.3.1 it takes multiple in-game hours to progress in the Simple Modesty System if you're over-exposed for your modesty level, right?

 

EDIT: I just realized I'm not accounting for if the player uses the Wait/Sleep menu. Is that possibly the problem? Because I also didn't see any errors in the logs that would point me to anything.

Edited October 1, 2025 by NymphoElf

[angrykiwi]

1 hour ago, NymphoElf said:

 

Ok, but just to be entirely clear - you do understand that as of 2.3.1 it takes multiple in-game hours to progress in the Simple Modesty System if you're over-exposed for your modesty level, right?

 

EDIT: I just realized I'm not accounting for if the player uses the Wait/Sleep menu. Is that possibly the problem? Because I also didn't see any errors in the logs that would point me to anything.

 I am aware that it takes a while to gain one point, and if you are shy and completely naked it takes 4 times more. I used topless to see if i would get the same issue as with the old save where being shy and topless would get me 48 points in half a day.
 Was testing both saves by going to populated area or where a male npc is constantly present, and then leaving the game running for ~20 minutes (and no, no sleep/wait was used).

 Maybe it's some incompatibility with skyrim souls (uncaused menus)? I did hear that it can cause some with some mods, though i've had no menus open.

Edited October 1, 2025 by angrykiwi

[NymphoElf]

21 minutes ago, angrykiwi said:

 I am aware that it takes a while to gain one point, and if you are shy and completely naked it takes 4 times more. I used topless to see if i would get the same issue as with the old save where being shy and topless would get me 48 points in half a day.
 Was testing both saves by going to populated area or where a male npc is constantly present, and then leaving the game running for ~20 minutes (and no, no sleep/wait was used).

 Maybe it's some incompatibility with skyrim souls (uncaused menus)? I did hear that it can cause some with some mods, though i've had no menus open.

 

The modesty function simply waits for a GameTime trigger. In this case menus would only pause that timer, so I'm guessing SkyrimSouls will simply not pause the timer and therefore not be an issue.

 

I'll add some additional logging in the next version to try to pin down the problem.

[NymphoElf]

@nilead apparently the JsonUtil FormID saving already takes care of my concerns, so I can implement permanent storage as-is without worrying about Load Order changes and such.

[nilead]

13 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

 apparently the JsonUtil FormID saving already takes care of my concerns, so I can implement permanent storage as-is without worrying about Load Order changes and such.

Thats wonderfull news. I'll be waiting for that.

[NymphoElf]

@angrykiwi Please download 2.4.0 BETA 1 from my discord (link on the main page). It has a lot of Debug lines that will be added to the Papyrus Log, so please make sure Tracing and Logging are both turned on.

 

Please note that this version still does not account for the Sleeping/Waiting. 2.4.0 BETA 2+ will account for Sleeping/Waiting.

[angrykiwi]

3 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

@angrykiwi Please download 2.4.0 BETA 1 from my discord (link on the main page). It has a lot of Debug lines that will be added to the Papyrus Log, so please make sure Tracing and Logging are both turned on.

 

Please note that this version still does not account for the Sleeping/Waiting. 2.4.0 BETA 2+ will account for Sleeping/Waiting.

Thanks! Here's my log from the old cleaned save, I've set both bottom and top to comfortable since it's the one i have issues with, printed conditions are correct


IMO something is off with calculations, maybe because it doesn't count IsShowingUnderwear?

Also had another test where modesty was at 0 for everything to catch why topless was upgrading so fast and i see why, not sure the reason though (logs included)

Spoiler

[10/06/2025 - 03:01:30AM] AND DEBUG - TopModestyUpgrade - Upgrade Time is: 168
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:30AM] AND DEBUG - IsShowingBra = 1
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:30AM] AND DEBUG - IsShowingBra = TRUE
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:30AM] AND DEBUG - IsShowingChest = 1
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:30AM] AND DEBUG - IsShowingChest = TRUE
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:30AM] AND DEBUG - IsTopless = 0
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:30AM] AND DEBUG - IsTopless = False
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:30AM] AND DEBUG - TopModestyRank <= 1 && (IsShowingChest == True && IsTopless == False)
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:30AM] AND DEBUG - TopModestyTimer[0] = 2
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:30AM] AND DEBUG - TopModestyTimer[1] = 3
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:30AM] AND DEBUG - TopModestyTimer[2] = 0
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:30AM] AND DEBUG - TopModestyTimer[3] = 0
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:30AM] AND DEBUG - BottomModestyUpgrade - Upgrade Time is: 168
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:31AM] AND DEBUG - IsShowingUnderwear = 1
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:31AM] AND DEBUG - IsShowingUnderwear = TRUE
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:31AM] AND DEBUG - IsShowingGenitals = 0
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:31AM] AND DEBUG - IsShowingGenitals = False
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:31AM] AND DEBUG - IsBottomless = 0
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:31AM] AND DEBUG - IsBottomless = False
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:31AM] AND DEBUG - BottomModestyRank <= 0 && (IsShowingUnderwear == True && IsShowingGenitals == False && IsBottomless == False)
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:31AM] AND DEBUG - BottomModestyTimer[0] = 3
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:31AM] AND DEBUG - BottomModestyTimer[1] = 0
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:31AM] AND DEBUG - BottomModestyTimer[2] = 0
[10/06/2025 - 03:01:31AM] AND DEBUG - BottomModestyTimer[3] = 0

Papyrus.0.log

Papyrus.0 (all set to shy).log

Edited October 6, 2025 by angrykiwi

[PRYINGORBS]

7 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

@angrykiwi Please download 2.4.0 BETA 1 from my discord (link on the main page). It has a lot of Debug lines that will be added to the Papyrus Log, so please make sure Tracing and Logging are both turned on.

 

Please note that this version still does not account for the Sleeping/Waiting. 2.4.0 BETA 2+ will account for Sleeping/Waiting.

I've also had issues with the modesty system. I'm using strict rules and even with appropriate clothing, (and lack thereof) I have modesty only capable of decreasing from higher values, it can never increment the timer. I am using the beta you posted but I don't see any AND DEBUG messages, even with logging and trace turned on.

Papyrus.0.log

[NymphoElf]

8 hours ago, PRYINGORBS said:

I am using the beta you posted but I don't see any AND DEBUG messages, even with logging and trace turned on.

 

I focused primarily on the Simple Rules since it's newer and what angrykiwi originally experienced problems with. I'll include more debug lines in BETA 2 which will be coming soon.

[PRYINGORBS]

I keep getting a messagebox about a female being on the permanent list, how do I fix this?

[NymphoElf]

21 hours ago, PRYINGORBS said:

I keep getting a messagebox about a female being on the permanent list, how do I fix this?

 

I'm guessing this is because the female actor was killed while on the Permanent list and I forgot to add a check to that kill cleanup function.

 

You have to either remove the female from the Permanent/Persistent list in the MCM or wait for me to patch it.

 

EDIT: This was actually due to Dynamic Modesty being disabled, but I still didn't properly account for females being on the Permanent list in this scenario.

Edited October 10, 2025 by NymphoElf

[TwinkleWisp]

I have another question. If I attempt to make a KID file for multiple armors at once, would the following format cause problems for AND's scripts or would it run as per usual.

 

EX.

 

;======== SEXY ARMOR COLLECTION ============

 

;Sexy Armor Iron

 

Keyword = AND_ Bra|Clothing|SexyIronBra

 

;Sexy Armor Steel

 

Keyword = AND_Bra|Clothing|SexySteelBra

[NymphoElf]

5 hours ago, FrenchCream said:

I have another question. If I attempt to make a KID file for multiple armors at once, would the following format cause problems for AND's scripts or would it run as per usual.

 

EX.

 

;======== SEXY ARMOR COLLECTION ============

 

;Sexy Armor Iron

 

Keyword = AND_ Bra|Clothing|SexyIronBra

 

;Sexy Armor Steel

 

Keyword = AND_Bra|Clothing|SexySteelBra

 

EDIT: If you're just asking if you did this right, then I believe so. It looks good to me. However make 100% sure those objects are designated as Clothing instead of Armor, and make 100% sure you used correct names.

 

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You can add any number of armors in a single KID file. As long as the KID file is properly made, KID will distribute all keywords as you've designated. It doesn't matter if your KID file contains 1 keyword line or 1 million keyword lines.

 

AND doesn't interact with KID. KID is just a method of mass-adding keywords without having to edit the plugin files via xEdit or something similar.

 

Nothing you do in KID will mess up AND. It's just a matter of if the keywords were added or not. The only reason why the keywords wouldn't have been added is if the KID file was messed up. That's all.

 

All AND does is look for the keywords on the armor you're wearing at the time the scan runs and update your coverage statuses based on what combinations it finds. It doesn't care how, when, or why the keywords got there.

Edited October 10, 2025 by NymphoElf

[PRYINGORBS]

Here is my log using strict modesty rules, I see a lot of DeadBodyCleanupScript but I cannot discern anything from this, here you go.

Papyrus.1.log

Edited October 13, 2025 by PRYINGORBS

[NymphoElf]

20 hours ago, PRYINGORBS said:

Here is my log using strict modesty rules, I see a lot of DeadBodyCleanupScript but I cannot discern anything from this, here you go.

Papyrus.1.log 213.44 kB · 0 downloads

 

WIDeadBodyCleanupScript is a bunch of invisible actors that remove dead bodies from the world. It's a rather messy solution Bethesda used, and apparently those actors are all considered female. Never mind, that was dead wrong. For some reason the Editor IDs of actors come up as script names such as "rentroomscript" for inn keepers and "wideadbodycleanupscript" for others. Maybe the cleanup script is on all Vanilla Actors?

 

However, I don't see any of my new debug lines in this log. This means you either didn't install my latest beta version or something is messed up with your save.

 

Have you tried cleaning your save?

Edited October 14, 2025 by NymphoElf

[PRYINGORBS]

7 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

 

WIDeadBodyCleanupScript is a bunch of invisible actors that remove dead bodies from the world. It's a rather messy solution Bethesda used, and apparently those actors are all considered female. However, I don't see any of my new debug lines in this log. This means you either didn't install my latest beta version or something is messed up with your save.

 

Have you tried cleaning your save?

I did a full clean new game with the 2nd beta, enabled dynamic modesty and set it to strict, and used the proper clothes (and being nude) to try to increase it. If I had to guess, it's not even picking my character up in the first place. Tried waiting and just letting it run.

 

Just to be SUPER sure I just did it again. New game, dynamic modesty enabled on strict, no results:

Papyrus.0.log

Edited October 13, 2025 by PRYINGORBS
Another log

[NymphoElf]

12 minutes ago, PRYINGORBS said:

I did a full clean new game with the 2nd beta, enabled dynamic modesty and set it to strict, and used the proper clothes (and being nude) to try to increase it. If I had to guess, it's not even picking my character up in the first place. Tried waiting and just letting it run.

 

Do you mean you just recently did that, or is that what you did before providing your previous log?

Also, are you willing to continue this on my Discord? I believe it would make things a little faster

Edited October 13, 2025 by NymphoElf

[NymphoElf]

31 minutes ago, PRYINGORBS said:

I did a full clean new game with the 2nd beta, enabled dynamic modesty and set it to strict, and used the proper clothes (and being nude) to try to increase it. If I had to guess, it's not even picking my character up in the first place. Tried waiting and just letting it run.

 

Just to be SUPER sure I just did it again. New game, dynamic modesty enabled on strict, no results:

Papyrus.0.log 253.71 kB · 0 downloads

 

Ok, I see the debug lines in this new log.

 

On 10/6/2025 at 12:50 AM, PRYINGORBS said:

I've also had issues with the modesty system. I'm using strict rules and even with appropriate clothing, (and lack thereof) I have modesty only capable of decreasing from higher values, it can never increment the timer.

 

[10/13/2025 - 03:10:29PM] AND DEBUG - IsShowingBra = False
[10/13/2025 - 03:10:29PM] AND DEBUG - IsShowingChest = TRUE
[10/13/2025 - 03:10:29PM] AND DEBUG - IsTopless = TRUE
[10/13/2025 - 03:10:29PM] AND DEBUG - Modesty Rank <= 0

 

Read the guide again.

 

https://www.loverslab.com/blogs/entry/23931-dynamic-modesty/

[PRYINGORBS]

10 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

 

Ok, I see the debug lines in this new log.

 

 

[10/13/2025 - 03:10:29PM] AND DEBUG - IsShowingBra = False
[10/13/2025 - 03:10:29PM] AND DEBUG - IsShowingChest = TRUE
[10/13/2025 - 03:10:29PM] AND DEBUG - IsTopless = TRUE
[10/13/2025 - 03:10:29PM] AND DEBUG - Modesty Rank <= 0

 

Read the guide again.

 

https://www.loverslab.com/blogs/entry/23931-dynamic-modesty/

I see now. That progression definitely threw me for a loop. I thought that if you were fully nude it would make sense for ranks to increment anyway. I had used the strict settings because I wanted more levels of progression for modesty and didn't want it to be split among top and bottom.

[NymphoElf]

7 hours ago, PRYINGORBS said:

I thought that if you were fully nude it would make sense for ranks to increment anyway.

 

No, that only works in Simple Mode.

 

The reason Strict Mode works this way is from a perspective of "easing into" less modest clothing, and you can't "force" the character to become immodest.

While some people could argue that you theoretically can force someone to be comfortable naked (via one of many potential scenarios), the question then becomes "Are they actually comfortable with it, or have they simply accepted their situation for what it is?" and the outcomes are VERY different based on that answer. So it's nearly impossible to perfectly portray without going way beyond the original scope of Advanced Nudity Detection, which I've kind of already done with the modesty expansion as it is.

Edited October 14, 2025 by NymphoElf

[PRYINGORBS]

23 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

 

No, that only works in Simple Mode.

 

The reason Strict Mode works this way is from a perspective of "easing into" less modest clothing, and you can't "force" the character to become immodest.

While some people could argue that you theoretically can force someone to be comfortable naked (via one of many potential scenarios), the question then becomes "Are they actually comfortable with it, or have they simply accepted their situation for what it is?" and the outcomes are VERY different based on that answer. So it's nearly impossible to perfectly portray without going way beyond the original scope of Advanced Nudity Detection, which I've kind of already done with the modesty expansion as it is.

I see. I figured out how to recompile the scripts on my end to achieve what I want. Thanks for your patience.

[NymphoElf]

8 hours ago, PRYINGORBS said:

I see. I figured out how to recompile the scripts on my end to achieve what I want. Thanks for your patience.

 

I respect your initiative. Just don't forget that at this point you can't report any more bugs because you've modified the scripts, therefore I no longer know what the scripts are doing, which means I cannot properly debug them. I know I'm stating something relatively obvious but I've seen a lot of stupid stuff.

Edited October 15, 2025 by NymphoElf

[monsta88]

I made some keywording, but it is not working as I expected. Here is the setup:

 

The top armor has a lot of keywords:

AND_ArmorBottomT_High

AND_ArmorTopT_High

AND_AssFlashRiskExtreme (because it is very transparent, see screenshot)

AND_ChestFlashRiskExtreme

AND_PelvicFlashRiskExtreme

AND_NearlyNaked

 

There is a Chastity Belt under it and I gave it 2 keywords:

AND_Thong

AND_Underwear

 

I'd expect that the CB works as underwear. However, the MCM says the character is showing pussy and not showing underwear.

 

What did I do wrong? I'm using AND v2.2.3 on latest AE (1170).

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2025 by monsta88