Advanced Nudity Detection

[NymphoElf]

4 hours ago, FulfillingVoid said:

I'm curious why Thongs (I'm looking at baka tagged ones right now) don't qualify as "Showing ass" when literally your entire butt is on display? Do you think this could be made an option?

 

MFW people ask for things that already exist...

 

EDIT: Actually, I'm really sick of people getting caught up by the Baka keywords, so I'm removing them in the next update.

 

5 hours ago, Fraying9981 said:

I am on a male playthrough and just care about female npc modesty but i dont want it to interfere with other arousal based oar animations. Do I need AND in addition to Dynamic modesty (which is already installed) to make sure dynamic modesty triggers only when arousal is low?

 

The "Arousal Cutoff" value in the MCM is where the Player or NPCs stop covering themselves, so the default should suffice.

 

Additionally, DFFMA should only work on Female actors, therefore your male PC should have nothing to worry about.

 

Other animations should have their own criteria that they look for, and therefore should not be affected.

Edited June 18, 2025 by NymphoElf

[FulfillingVoid]

2 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

 

MFW people ask for things that already exist...

 

EDIT: Actually, I'm really sick of people getting caught up by the Baka keywords, so I'm removing them in the next update.

 

 

The "Arousal Cutoff" value in the MCM is where the Player or NPCs stop covering themselves, so the default should suffice.

 

Additionally, DFFMA should only work on Female actors, therefore your male PC should have nothing to worry about.

 

Other animations should have their own criteria that they look for, and therefore should not be affected.

 

 

I think you misunderstood and perhaps overreacted. Let me restart. 

I'm using baka keywords because they're quite ubiquitous in patches, etc. and I think a enough people appreciate their use. I wouldn't go through the effort of repatching all the armor I have, so for someone like me, its these baka keywords or bust.

All I'm asking here is that when I put on a thong that has a keyword SLA_ThongWhatever, why the "Showing ass" says no instead of yes. That's all I'm trying to figure out.


 

[NymphoElf]

9 hours ago, FulfillingVoid said:

 

 

I think you misunderstood and perhaps overreacted. Let me restart. 

I'm using baka keywords because they're quite ubiquitous in patches, etc. and I think a enough people appreciate their use. I wouldn't go through the effort of repatching all the armor I have, so for someone like me, its these baka keywords or bust.

All I'm asking here is that when I put on a thong that has a keyword SLA_ThongWhatever, why the "Showing ass" says no instead of yes. That's all I'm trying to figure out.


 

 

No, you're the one that doesn't understand. You clearly didn't read the guide, which explains EVERYTHING this mod does. If you would have read it, this conversation would have started very differently.

 

The Baka/SLA keywords do not cover every condition, and have caused more confusion and headaches than making it easier. Therefore I'm going to remove them. I was already considering doing this before your comment, but now I've officially decided.

 

Also, you would have needed to "repatch" your armor anyways with this mod, so I don't understand what you thought you were going to accomplish without doing so. I even made a KID File Share post for people to have an easier time with it by giving a place for people to easily share what they made and for others to download pre-made KID files. But clearly even that isn't enough, and nothing ever will be. So I'm just going to make my life easier and stop worrying about trying to please everyone the best I can, because it will never be enough.

Edited June 18, 2025 by NymphoElf

[Fraying9981]

[paradoxical131313]

On 6/17/2025 at 2:19 PM, NymphoElf said:

 

I personally use BodySlide for this. You can preview pieces in BodySlide. This allows me to get most things right immediately.

 

However you may change your mind about what keywords to use (particularly for transparent/no cover items) rather frequently depending on how your game looks (ie: how many visual mods you have and how they're configured), and it's sometimes hard to gauge how transparent an item is or isn't until you see it in game.

 

 

Thanks, I didn't think about using bodyslide. I'll use that if I ever make KID patches in bulk. I got a reocmmendation in the other thread that ended up working out great for me I'm using Quick Armor Rebalance now to just review the keywords on every new piece of armor as I equip it. Saves me the hassle of having to do it up front for the thousands of armors that I may never find and equip. Plus I can export to KID to persist any edits I make, saving me time on future playthroughs when I encounter the same items again.

 

Edited June 18, 2025 by paradoxical131313

[SexyWhore13]

I can't find DFFMA settings in the mod file

[safado]

26 minutes ago, Velessir said:

I can't find DFFMA settings in the mod file

 

You did not read the instructions then. 

 

Spoiler

• New Feature - Dynamic Modesty (requires Dynamic Feminine Female Modesty Animations) see Guide Blog for information about the new feature
• DFFMA User settings are included with this version. Please allow AND to overwrite DFFMA for the mods to work together properly.
• Added Splash Screens

 

Guide Blog

 

Edited June 18, 2025 by safado

[FulfillingVoid]

8 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

 

No, you're the one that doesn't understand. You clearly didn't read the guide, which explains EVERYTHING this mod does. If you would have read it, this conversation would have started very differently.

 

The Baka/SLA keywords do not cover every condition, and have caused more confusion and headaches than making it easier. Therefore I'm going to remove them. I was already considering doing this before your comment, but now I've officially decided.

 

Also, you would have needed to "repatch" your armor anyways with this mod, so I don't understand what you thought you were going to accomplish without doing so. I even made a KID File Share post for people to have an easier time with it by giving a place for people to easily share what they made and for others to download pre-made KID files. But clearly even that isn't enough, and nothing ever will be. So I'm just going to make my life easier and stop worrying about trying to please everyone the best I can, because it will never be enough.

Well, its your mod and you can do what you want with it. I just don't understand why someone would build a mod, try to offer so much community feedback, and then blow up on so many people in the comments.

 

I have a nexus profile (different name) with a lot of mods. A lot of the time people don't read everything, a lot of the time people don't even read the comment just above or below theirs which answers the same question, its totally f'n annoying. But in the end I find its just better to say "reread the description / top sticky post / whatever" then freak out and threaten to remove features. People are people, with jobs, families, lives, and sometimes they just want to ask a quick question for the game they can only fit in for a few minutes a day.

 

Anyway, you do you. This mod adds some extra functionality to Sexy Adventures, but the skimpy armor feature will also do the job if baka is removed. Your call in the end.

[NymphoElf]

45 minutes ago, FulfillingVoid said:

I just don't understand why someone would build a mod, try to offer so much community feedback, and then blow up on so many people in the comments.

 

Because all I ask for is that people read the information I've already given, yet they don't.

 

It's as if I'm holding a bottle of water in your face clearly for you to see, then you push my hand away and ask "Where's the bottle of water?". How would you react to that?

 

48 minutes ago, FulfillingVoid said:

I have a nexus profile (different name) with a lot of mods. A lot of the time people don't read everything, a lot of the time people don't even read the comment just above or below theirs which answers the same question, its totally f'n annoying.

 

If this is true, then I don't understand why you're confused with my frustration. You're making a sympathetic argument purely in the interest of tearing down my side of the story, not to actually sympathize.

  

38 minutes ago, FulfillingVoid said:

People are people, with jobs, families, lives, and sometimes they just want to ask a quick question for the game they can only fit in for a few minutes a day.

 

This argument would be stronger if skimming the guide wouldn't have answered your original question. CTRL+F is your friend. Plus, I find it hard to believe that you're only playing skyrim for "a few minutes" - try at least an hour to feel like you've actually done anything.

 

52 minutes ago, FulfillingVoid said:

This mod adds some extra functionality to Sexy Adventures, but the skimpy armor feature will also do the job if baka is removed.

 

I was the person who integrated AND into Sexy Adventures. You're actually missing features by ignoring AND. 

 

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Yes, getting the same questions over and over again is incredibly frustrating, and that's why I took the actions that I have - to hopefully get those questions to stop. I've done everything in my power to make using the mod as easy and clear to understand, and I don't know what else to do, therefore I'm at my wit's end.

 

Perhaps I should just start ignoring people...

[IBAGadget]

@FulfillingVoidOne thing that you are missing is that Baka Keywords are there primarily to drive up your arousal, not to register your nudity level. AND Keywords actually tell the system 'how much skin am I showing'

 

The keywords are not mutually exclusive - they can totally be used together to fulfil their primary purposes

I tell AND to ignore Baka Keywords. Baka Keywords are only on the clothing/armor pieces that my pc is wearing in order to influence OSL Aroused

AND Keywords are there to indicate how much skin is showing and whether or not npc's think she's naked.

 

Is wearing a tiny little thong no big deal for your pc? use AND_Thong and show off that ass.

Does wearing tiny undies turn your pc on? use SLA_ThongGString and feel yourself getting wet underneath that all encompassing dress that hides even your shoes

 

Is your pc an exhibitionist who gets turned on showing your body? Use both keywords and let everyone see just how wet your dragonbabe is getting as you parade your curves through the market.

 

Baka Keywords were never designed to determine how naked your character is - they were designed to affect how turned on you got. That's why all the Baka Keywords are SLA_

SexLab Aroused.

 

Once you have a KID File set up to apply AND Keywords to your outfit, you're done. The KID file will always be there. And you don't even have to do everything all at once - make a file that covers the clothing pieces you are currently using. Add to it over time if you have to. Use it as a template for the next outfit you add to your game. Set up your KID files gradually, over time. Maybe someone has already done a file and you just need to download it. I have dozens of outfits in my game that don't have a single AND Keyword, because I haven't bothered to set them up with any - my pc doesn't use them so there's no point. Those outfits are for followers/npcs to wear. You also don't have to apply AND Keywords to every single item in an outfit mod.

 

Take VTAW Clothes Pack 5, for example - belts, bracelets, shoes, gloves etc don't need AND Keywords, so you can ignore them. Give the underwear/bras/pants/etc keywords - they are the ones that need it. Significantly cuts down on the workload.

[safado]

1 hour ago, IBAGadget said:

 

Baka Keywords were never designed to determine how naked your character is - they were designed to affect how turned on you got. That's why all the Baka Keywords are SLA_

SexLab Aroused.

 

 

 

You are correct, but also...

Actually, those keywords are from Lupines00's SLAX (SLAX keywords, not Baka), and BakaFactory\FactoryClose copy\injected them into SLAR v28 for his korean mods, he later "translated" them to English. The factions are also from SLAX.  They still have the original SLAX formid, so still compatible.  It is not an accusation, it was intended to be used by any future version of SLAR variant, as long it use was compatible with SLAX, and it is. 

The purpose to be tracking arousals is correct, but also to help authors of kinks mods have all their keywords and tracking factions in one place, that was the plan at the time.  Some keywords are for now abandoned Monomans1' mods about bikini and armor tempering.  The advanced nudity detection was not part of it, only enough limited implementation to drive arousal.  

 

Edited June 19, 2025 by safado

[NymphoElf]

@IBAGadget @safado both accurate.

 

I wanted to have some level of compatibility with SLA/Baka's mods because of how popular they were, but half way through development of AND's Beta, I knew they wouldn't be able to accommodate the mod's full functionality I was aiming for. Therefore, the SLA/Baka keywords became mere substitutes for AND's own keywords. I didn't expect it to be confusing.

 

 

[ashleytaylor]

I completely understand the decision, however, people who don't care much about accuracy may use attached script to convert Baka keywords to AND keywords.

 

The easiest way would be to drag BakaKeywordstoAND.ps1 from the 7z archive into the folder contains the KID file you want to convert, then right-click and select Open in Terminal, type the following command:

 

.\BakaKeywordstoAND.ps1 -Baka [original KID file] -AND [New KID file]

 

Example:

.\BakaKeywordstoAND.ps1 -Baka .\SLAB_AIO_KID.ini -AND AND_SLAB_AIO_KID.ini

 

 

 

BakaKeywordstoAND.7z

Edited June 23, 2025 by ashleytaylor
Convert SLA_ArmorPartTop and SLA_ArmorPartBottom selectively, as some clothes could be recognized as topless or bottomless without the corresponding keywords..

[FulfillingVoid]

@IBAGadget Thank you for this. Its nice to get a human response explaining the background and why my expectations were wrong. I'll check out those options. Very much appreciated.

@safado That's also interesting info, thanks!

@NymphoElf I understand your frustration, I also put water in front of my users faces and they constantly ask where the water is. I just point to it again, because people are busy / not paying attention. However, instead you've now written a small unhinged essay over many posts in my direction rather than simply saying "See description re KID patch" or something along those lines. Exploding on your users because you've built up frustration has cost you more time, effort, and emotion than just writing 5 words. You can double down again now, or you can just take a breath, reset, and go back to working with your community instead of attacking them. @IBAGadget had a great explanation for me, so I'd like to try that out.

[GremlinSleeperAgent]

Has anyone made a synthesis patcher for the keywords? I still run a baka keyword patcher on my synethis, but since baka keywords are no longer supported, would it be feasible to make an AND keyword patcher for synethis instead?

[NymphoElf]

9 minutes ago, GremlinSleeperAgent said:

Has anyone made a synthesis patcher for the keywords? I still run a baka keyword patcher on my synethis, but since baka keywords are no longer supported, would it be feasible to make an AND keyword patcher for synethis instead?

 

I'm not personally familiar with Synthesis, so I won't speak on anyone's ability to make or not make this kind of patch, but from what I've seen of Synthesis, isn't that just a far more complicated version of Keyword Item Distributor? It also seems to not be customizable compared to KID? Maybe I'm wrong, and if I am please enlighten me.

 

The only reason I point this out is because AND was made with customizability in mind. Person A might want a piece of armor to be one way while Person B may want that same piece of armor to be a different way.

 

I personally don't like the idea of anything that either removes that customization factor or makes it harder to accomplish. But again, if that's not the case then please say so.

[safado]

22 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

@IBAGadget @safado both accurate.

 

I wanted to have some level of compatibility with SLA/Baka's mods because of how popular they were, but half way through development of AND's Beta, I knew they wouldn't be able to accommodate the mod's full functionality I was aiming for. Therefore, the SLA/Baka keywords became mere substitutes for AND's own keywords. I didn't expect it to be confusing.

 

 

 

I think it should be the other way around, SLAR variants needs to implement compatibility, and many other mods in Loverslab. Like what Sexy Adventures got, selectable levels of nudity for conditions. 

 

Edited June 20, 2025 by safado

[Arkbar.]

Wow, 
I already knew about AND, but the new factions (for DFFM ) are a great addition, I love them. 
They are perfect for a mod I've been making, which in a sense is kind of a bummer, because I have to rewrite a bit of code and I was preparing to release it, but I don't care, I'm excited to integrate them.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems from the documentation and what I gather from the mod that to progress in the "AND factions", it has to be "step by step", meaning if I'm at stage 0 (full modesty), no matter how long I keep the PC naked, it will not progress, to progress to 1 it has to be showing a bra (no exposure). 

Personally I think this is the correct behavior, but let me know if this is correct ?
 

[NymphoElf]

2 hours ago, Arkbar. said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems from the documentation and what I gather from the mod that to progress in the "AND factions", it has to be "step by step", meaning if I'm at stage 0 (full modesty), no matter how long I keep the PC naked, it will not progress, to progress to 1 it has to be showing a bra (no exposure). 

Personally I think this is the correct behavior, but let me know if this is correct ?

 

This is correct. In order to rank up in the Modesty Faction, you must not over-expose yourself. The amount you can expose increases with each rank you gain (and likewise decreases if you lose a rank).

 

2 hours ago, Arkbar. said:

the new factions (for DFFM ) are a great addition

 

There's only 1 faction for DFFMA: AND_ModestyFaction

 

The faction has 8 ranks (0 through 7).

 

Rank 7 is "Permanent Shameless". I wouldn't recommend looking for this rank specifically unless you want something to happen only if they're permanently shameless.

 

Most of the time you should just check if their rank is 6 or higher [ Player.GetFactionRank(AND_ModestyFaction) >= 6 ] if you want to know if they've hit the shameless rank while also making sure to not leave out permanent shameless from that action.

Edited June 20, 2025 by NymphoElf

[Fraying9981]

I know this is not directly related to AND but could you share where is the arousal condition for dynamic feminine modesty inside OAR? I would like to lower the arousal cap from 70 to something like 30 but couldn't find the arousal condition

[NymphoElf]

6 minutes ago, Fraying9981 said:

I know this is not directly related to AND but could you share where is the arousal condition for dynamic feminine modesty inside OAR? I would like to lower the arousal cap from 70 to something like 30 but couldn't find the arousal condition

 

It's not set in OAR, it's a global variable set by AND.

 

AND MCM -> Dynamic Modesty -> Modesty Arousal Cutoff

Edited June 20, 2025 by NymphoElf

[Fraying9981]

14 minutes ago, NymphoElf said:

 

It's not set in OAR, it's a global variable set by AND.

 

AND MCM -> Dynamic Modesty -> Modesty Arousal Cutoff

 

Thanks! Awesome then i will install AND

[NymphoElf]

7 minutes ago, Fraying9981 said:

 

Thanks! Awesome then i will install AND

 

Wait, did you think that DFFMA just had that setting out of the box?

 

AND has pre-packaged settings that overwrite DFFMA's settings in order for DFFMA and AND to work together properly. You need to make sure AND overwrites DFFMA when asked.

[Arkbar.]

1 hour ago, NymphoElf said:

There's only 1 faction for DFFMA: AND_ModestyFaction

 

The faction has 8 ranks (0 through 7).

 

Rank 7 is "Permanent Shameless". I wouldn't recommend looking for this rank specifically unless you want something to happen only if they're permanently shameless.

 

Understood. 
This is great. 
I've checked the source and noticed that you disable the modesty tracker if DFFM is not installed. Can I request you to not do that. 
Although I use DFFM, I'm writing a mod that specifically checks for the ModestyFaction rank, if a user does not use DFFM my mod would not work. 

Thanks

[Fraying9981]

31 minutes ago, NymphoElf said:

 

Wait, did you think that DFFMA just had that setting out of the box?

 

AND has pre-packaged settings that overwrite DFFMA's settings in order for DFFMA and AND to work together properly. You need to make sure AND overwrites DFFMA when asked.

 

Thanks. Yeah i thought dffma had this setting and spent some time in oar trying to find the one condition for arousal.

Yes noted and need to overwrite. I will do that.