Adventures with Balazar (Balazar's Bitch) - Beta

[Alexandralicornerose67]

i did all quest before solitude quest was added and i think he was i  dremora 

Balazar emissary active but i did all so for solitude i need to talk to him

yes the balazar emissary is active and Balazar is not with me 

[Alexandralicornerose67]

i try to call him with the spell for he gives me the solitude quest

[Mad_Monty]

Hi

I am having trouble with the skeever quest in windhelm. I'm naked with only the quest collar on. I get comments from the NPCs put nothing else happens. how long are you roughly supposed to walk around before the next event is triggered? I'm doing loops of around the tavern and the market, but nothing seems to happen. I'm unsure if it's my game that's bugging the scene or if it just takes a while to trigger. Is there a way to skip this quest or this part of it?

 

[Raven 54]

On 11/29/2024 at 10:04 AM, blahity said:

that you (the archmage)

IDK, that would require the whole college questline to be completed first, I for one don't care for the whole college scene.

However you have some good ideas!   said in a nice way.

[killer905]

2 hours ago, Mad_Monty said:

Hi

I am having trouble with the skeever quest in windhelm. I'm naked with only the quest collar on. I get comments from the NPCs put nothing else happens. how long are you roughly supposed to walk around before the next event is triggered? I'm doing loops of around the tavern and the market, but nothing seems to happen. I'm unsure if it's my game that's bugging the scene or if it just takes a while to trigger. Is there a way to skip this quest or this part of it?

 

I recommend the market during peak hours ❤️

[blahity]

13 hours ago, Raven 54 said:

IDK, that would require the whole college questline to be completed first, I for one don't care for the whole college scene.

However you have some good ideas!   said in a nice way.

Could work with you being the newest and therefore least experienced of the college. The gauntlet could be an anchor that prevents him from being summoned unwillingly by other conjurers or daedra.

 

Also I feel like Faralda probably wouldn't do something cruel like in my original post since she is the most supportive master in the college imo. Perhaps she thinks you've gotten in over your head and offers to relieve some of Balazar's urges while you watch.

[Mad_Monty]

16 hours ago, killer905 said:

I recommend the market during peak hours ❤️

Can you explain what time you mean by that? I've been in the market from the in-game time of 0700 am till about 0100 Pm when I stopped.

The NPC comments get repeated but I'm unsure if I have to do something to progress or if my other mods are affecting this one.

I get the npc lines like "why are they chasing her" and "I think they want her" but they just repeat. Does a specific NPC need to see? is it the amount? do I need to gather an amount of NPC lines before it progresses? Does Balazar need to be there or is it ok he stays in the bar when the quest starts? I'm trying to figure out if it's me being impatient or if the mod is bugged or being affected by something else.

[killer905]

24 minutes ago, Mad_Monty said:

Can you explain what time you mean by that? I've been in the market from the in-game time of 0700 am till about 0100 Pm when I stopped.

The NPC comments get repeated but I'm unsure if I have to do something to progress or if my other mods are affecting this one.

I get the npc lines like "why are they chasing her" and "I think they want her" but they just repeat. Does a specific NPC need to see? is it the amount? do I need to gather an amount of NPC lines before it progresses? Does Balazar need to be there or is it ok he stays in the bar when the quest starts? I'm trying to figure out if it's me being impatient or if the mod is bugged or being affected by something else.

The premise at this point is to have any Nord see you being chased by Skeevers all 3. If done correctly, skeevers will have fun with PC.

[Raven 54]

1 hour ago, Mad_Monty said:

Can you explain what time you mean by that? I've been in the market from the in-game time of 0700 am till about 0100

You have to stop on the stairs next to an NPC walking by, it will trigger a scene, then stop by the Candlehearth Hall same thing, then to the market rinse and repeat.

My point is not straight to the market but walk, not run, the path from the starting point to the Market, you should see it start, sometimes SL is slow to kick.

[Raven 54]

2 hours ago, Mad_Monty said:

Can you explain

Need more coffee, sorry but I need to add that you should hear an NPC say, that woman is being chased by skeevers or something to that intent, then the scene starts.

 

[Mad_Monty]

23 minutes ago, Raven 54 said:

You have to stop on the stairs next to an NPC walking by, it will trigger a scene, then stop by the Candlehearth Hall same thing, then to the market rinse and repeat.

My point is not straight to the market but walk, not run, the path from the starting point to the Market, you should see it start, sometimes SL is slow to kick.

Ok. thank you for the information.

 

I will give that a try. I hope that will fix my issues as I've had no SL scenes start at all.

 

I have been reading the thread and I'm not the only one having trouble with this quest. If Gristle see's this, I'd like to recommend a slight rework to this quest as it's the only one I've had trouble with so far in getting the scenes to trigger as intended.

[Raven 54]

1 minute ago, Mad_Monty said:

Ok. thank you for the information.

 

I will give that a try. I hope that will fix my issues as I've had no SL scenes start at all.

I only had trouble once triggering the scenes, reload a save before you went to Windhelm, do it again. see if that works.

I find that sometimes doing it that way works better to trigger things.

[Gristle]

12 hours ago, Mad_Monty said:

Ok. thank you for the information.

 

I will give that a try. I hope that will fix my issues as I've had no SL scenes start at all.

 

I have been reading the thread and I'm not the only one having trouble with this quest. If Gristle see's this, I'd like to recommend a slight rework to this quest as it's the only one I've had trouble with so far in getting the scenes to trigger as intended.

The skeever sex is started by certain 'hello' comments regarding skeevers (see list below) from NPCs when the skeevers are following. Despite the references to Nords in the mod, the NPCs don't actually have to be Nords. Anyone but a Dunmer will work. 'Hello' comments are triggered when the PC approaches NPCs. The skeever sex comments are a subset of all possible 'hello' comments, so you won't always get a skeever sex comment, and not all skeever comments are skeever sex comments, but about every one out of three 'hello' comments or so should be a skeever sex comment (unless you have other 'hello' dialogue mods (like Sexist Guards), which will reduce the frequency of 'hello' comments from this mod).  As killer905 mentioned, going to the market during market hours is the best place to generate a lot of NPC 'hello' comments quickly. 

 

That said, if you are never triggering skeever sex, that indicates some problem. The three comments that trigger skeever sex are as follows:

 

"Look out! Skeevers"

"Skeevers in the city!"

"Skeevers everywhere!"

 

Looking at the conditions for these, I see that they use the comment frequency condition, which enables NPC comments based on the frequency set in the MCM. This was probably not a good idea, because players might have set these for long intervals (I keep the interval short for testing). I will remove that condition, which will mean the next NPC comment will become available immediately.

 

However, this still does not explain why someone would not even get one such comment over a long time period. If anyone is getting any of the above three comments and no skeever sex starts, then the only reason I can think of is you don't have any skeever animations.

 

EDIT: To be clear, you need three such skeever sex scenes to advance the quest. Also, Balazar is supposed to stay in the bar.

 

EDIT 2: If all else fails, you can skip the skeever sex quest stages with 'setstage BLZR_Quest 160' but if you want to clear all quest objectives, you'll have to step through stages 140 and 150 first.

Edited December 24, 2024 by Gristle

[Gristle]

On 12/21/2024 at 1:27 PM, wolfmadeofflowers said:

Hello ! excellent mod, really ! I'm amazed by the amount of work it must be ! I haven't finished it yet (doing the Lilly quests chain atm)

 

Tho I've encountered an issue, when I've been to apocrypha all the monsters were hostiles idk what causes this.

Thanks! I looked at the apocrypha monsters and they are set as "Aggressive" but they are not in any faction, so they are not in any faction that sees the player as an enemy. With these settings, they should not attack neutrals on sight. Only the "Very Aggressive" setting causes an NPC to attack neutrals on sight. Also, as soon as you hit the (invisible) trigger boxes in front of them, a SL animation should start, overriding any attack. As for the seekers, when the SL animation ends, they are immediately dispelled (actually killed). Do you have any "defeat" type mods that could be interfering?  

 

Edited December 24, 2024 by Gristle

[Dimasbtwe]

On 11/29/2024 at 10:38 PM, rexscas said:

I'm already naked )': Is there a different frost giant somewhere else?

 

I also encountee the same problem.. there is 2 frost giant but idk which one .. going naked and going both , but they still attacking.. do u solve your problem?

[killer905]

43 minutes ago, Dimasbtwe said:

I also encountee the same problem.. there is 2 frost giant but idk which one .. going naked and going both , but they still attacking.. do u solve your problem?

Donlt jump near watergall... he is near befora taht

[Mad_Monty]

18 hours ago, Gristle said:

The skeever sex is started by certain 'hello' comments regarding skeevers (see list below) from NPCs when the skeevers are following. Despite the references to Nords in the mod, the NPCs don't actually have to be Nords. Anyone but a Dunmer will work. 'Hello' comments are triggered when the PC approaches NPCs. The skeever sex comments are a subset of all possible 'hello' comments, so you won't always get a skeever sex comment, and not all skeever comments are skeever sex comments, but about every one out of three 'hello' comments or so should be a skeever sex comment (unless you have other 'hello' dialogue mods (like Sexist Guards), which will reduce the frequency of 'hello' comments from this mod).  As killer905 mentioned, going to the market during market hours is the best place to generate a lot of NPC 'hello' comments quickly. 

 

That said, if you are never triggering skeever sex, that indicates some problem. The three comments that trigger skeever sex are as follows:

 

"Look out! Skeevers"

"Skeevers in the city!"

"Skeevers everywhere!"

 

 

Thank you for breaking it down and explaining it for me. I really enjoy your mods, this is the first time I've been really stuck.

 

Those three comment triggers are not working for me.

 

I'm getting the other ones but not the triggering ones I need. The non trigger skeever dialogs just seem to keep looping around.

I do have a few mods that add hello dialogue such as DD, Sexlab fame, MME and sexist guards so my chances for the correct "Hello" would be diluted. 

Even with that I'm guessing with how long I was walking laps in the market it should have triggered.

 

Now I know what I'm looking for I'll increase the Balazar frequency and decrease the others to see if it'll trigger. I'm hoping a different mods isn't affecting this one. 

 

Thank you for adding the setstage. I was worried id be stuck in windhelm forever.

 

Edit- I have skeever animations and have tested that they work with the sexlab debug spell. 

Edited December 25, 2024 by Mad_Monty
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[Gristle]

8 hours ago, Dimasbtwe said:

I also encountee the same problem.. there is 2 frost giant but idk which one .. going naked and going both , but they still attacking.. do u solve your problem?

As killer905 mentioned, when you get to the waterfall, don't jump down, and don't go into the main Forgotten Vale area. Instead, when you get to the waterfall, go to your right. 

[Gristle]

1 hour ago, Mad_Monty said:

 

Thank you for breaking it down and explaining it for me. I really enjoy your mods, this is the first time I've been really stuck.

 

Those three comment triggers are not working for me.

 

I'm getting the other ones but not the triggering ones I need. The non trigger skeever dialogs just seem to keep looping around.

I do have a few mods that add hello dialogue such as DD, Sexlab fame, MME and sexist guards so my chances for the correct "Hello" would be diluted. 

Even with that I'm guessing with how long I was walking laps in the market it should have triggered.

 

Now I know what I'm looking for I'll increase the Balazar frequency and decrease the others to see if it'll trigger. I'm hoping a different mods isn't affecting this one. 

 

Thank you for adding the setstage. I was worried id be stuck in windhelm forever.

 

Edit- I have skeever animations and have tested that they work with the sexlab debug spell. 

If you want to troubleshoot, try disabling Sexist Guards. I'm not blaming that mod, but it may be a 'priority' issue. Each dialogue has a 'priority' and in the case of conflicting dialogue, the one with a higher priority wins. This does not seem to be a problem with 'random' dialogue, but this dialogue is non-random, so it's possible that Sexist Guards (or another mod) has some non-random dialogue with a higher priority. In other words, the dialogue you're seeing is random dialogue. The dialogue you're not seeing is non-random dialogue. So, it's got to be something related. 

[Amrovich]

Really great mod ❤️ Thanks for sharing! 
Just finished a playthrough and really enjoyed it! 

I had one question ... A little small spoiler alert

 

Spoiler

In the forsworn quest ... is there an actual branch where you can participate in the ritual or only option is to find guy in cave and help him escape? 

 

[killer905]

1 hour ago, Amrovich said:

Really great mod ❤️ Thanks for sharing! 
Just finished a playthrough and really enjoyed it! 

I had one question ... A little small spoiler alert

 

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In the forsworn quest ... is there an actual branch where you can participate in the ritual or only option is to find guy in cave and help him escape? 

 

Unfortunately, no. You can only rescue.

Spoiler

But the option as a bad end would be interesting ^^

 

[Dimasbtwe]

18 hours ago, killer905 said:

Donlt jump near watergall... he is near befora taht

Thx brother.. im already found the frost giant via tcl looking around. now im stuck in markath looking for underwater pathway forsworn.. idk where i should go to or interact to.. is there any guide for this mod? 

[killer905]

1 hour ago, Dimasbtwe said:

Thx brother.. im already found the frost giant via tcl looking around. now im stuck in markath looking for underwater pathway forsworn.. idk where i should go to or interact to.. is there any guide for this mod? 

There is no guide.

 

Anwser:

Spoiler

Behind the waterfall below the blacksmith in Markarth. You literally have to hug the door to use the interaction.

 

[Mad_Monty]

14 hours ago, Gristle said:

If you want to troubleshoot, try disabling Sexist Guards. 

 

I turned off the Comments from Sexist guards and MME which seems to be the most active. I have gotten about 10 comments from this mod but not the triggering ones.

If a different mod is affecting Balazar I'm not sure how to find it without uninstalling them one by one till I find it.

I might have to just skip this quest with the setstage.  

[Malphias]

This makes me sad. I've somewhat enjoyed this mod up to this point but I really wanted to get to the BDSM part that the pics show here in this forum on the home page. The Solitude part, I take it. But...Jarl Elisif won't activate the dialogue. I'm naked and wearing the pet collar, Balazar is with me in Dremora male form and her job title is, of course, Jarl. Same conditions are met as in Markarth with that Jarl. But, there is no dialogue to get things rolling

 

Nevermind. I had an earlier version as I installed this some time ago. I see there is a newer version and now her dialogue started.

 

Anyone else has this issue download V0.944

 

Edited December 26, 2024 by Malphias