Skyrim Ranting

[yorpers]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Otaku said:

technical limitation at that time or due to deliberate design choice

Everything had to be balanced for consoles. ? It's also hard to make a city in the bethesda universe be big because the idea is most npc's have some kind of interaction. I'm like you and would like them to be bigger, I guess we will see what they are capable of with starfield.

[RJLbwb]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Otaku said:

As much as i love Skyrim and TES in general, i was always a bit underwhelmed by how small the "cities" in the game actually are. I have no idea if they're so small due to some technical limitation at that time or due to deliberate design choice but i wish they were at least twice the size. It'd be really cool to see some proper big cities in TES6 if they go for High Rock or Hammerfell.

It's not just they are small, the game insisting that Riften is the size of Medieval Constantinople with huge,  ancient sewer system, rather than some just  a hick village with pretensions   Listing to the Thieves Guild members go on about "the word on the streets is...." and wanting to correct them with "you mean  the word on The street, Brenwulf." 

[Mr. Otaku]

7 minutes ago, yorpers said:

Everything had to be balanced for consoles. ? It's also hard to make a city in the bethesda universe be big because the idea is most npc's have some kind of interaction. I'm like you and would like them to be bigger, I guess we will see what they are capable of with starfield.

 

This reminds me of what i heard about GTA SanAndreas where Rockstar originally planned to have three playable protagonists like they had with GTA5 but they couldn't do it because the consoles were too weak top handle that. The characters in question were Sweet and Cesar along with CJ, and in hindsight those claims make a lot of sense given how their characters were written, there was always a "something feels left out or cut" vibe to it. But the NPC routine thing must've also played a huge part in why the cities are smaller than farms lol.

 

11 minutes ago, RJLbwb said:

It's not just they are small, the game insisting that Riften is the size of Medieval Constantinople with huge,  ancient sewer system, rather than some just  a hick village with pretensions   Listing to the Thieves Guild members go on about "the word on the streets is...." and wanting to correct them with "you mean  the word on The street, Brenwulf." 

 

Lol true, the mismatch between how the NPCs talk about the world and how it actually feels to us when playing the game is always funny. Being asked to deliver a message from Riverwood to Whiterun because "it's far i can't leave the town for that" when Whiterun is basically just around the block is pretty funny.

[SmedleyDButler]

I know it's basically impossible, but I'd trade a LOT of mods for a genuinely larger Skyrim. Even just the distance between towns.

 

I know the worldspace can't be expanded at all, but in theory you could shrink some things.

 

 

[yorpers]

7 minutes ago, SmedleyDButler said:

I know the worldspace can't be expanded at all, but in theory you could shrink some things.

Skyrim the size of Kenshi would drop my boxers so damn fast.

[Alessia Wellington]

3 minutes ago, yorpers said:

Skyrim the size of Kenshi would drop my boxers so damn fast.

 

[RJLbwb]

21 hours ago, yorpers said:

Everything had to be balanced for consoles. ? It's also hard to make a city in the bethesda universe be big because the idea is most npc's have some kind of interaction. I'm like you and would like them to be bigger, I guess we will see what they are capable of with starfield.

 Diamond City was basically the only real city in Fallout 4 and it was only a little bit bigger than Solitude. Looking at way things been trending from Skyrim to Fallout 76 with the base building and that borked civil war, I think Todd Howard's dream is to do a first person Command and Conquer game.      So, I suspect we've seen the "cities" that will be in Starfield in the game preview.  The six "cities" of Skyrim will likely end up a fluke because Skyrim was originally supposed to be a Game of Thrones RPG.

 

I suspect the constant trolling, obnixious NPCs of Skyrim might be a legacy of the Game of Thrones RPG.  Morally upright = stupid, boorish, soon dead and slimy and evil = fast tracker and survivor, seems to be a trope in GOT.  

[yorpers]

18 minutes ago, RJLbwb said:

I suspect the constant trolling, obnixious NPCs of Skyrim might be a legacy of the Game of Thrones RPG.  Morally upright = stupid, boorish, soon dead and slimy and evil = fast tracker and survivor, seems to be a trope in GOT.  

Probably so, GoT books came out right as Daggerfall dropped. I've seen little hints of GoT in all the games, but Skyrim most of all.

[Gukahn]

1 hour ago, yorpers said:

Probably so, GoT books came out right as Daggerfall dropped. I've seen little hints of GoT in all the games, but Skyrim most of all.

Starts with Dragons and their Design, some Character Designs like Ulfric who loosely could be compared to one of the Starrks and Ends with the waste of Time they call Civil war I guess ?  Which begs the Question, if they could have done better if they don't took inspiration of GoT and just did their own thing.

[yorpers]

56 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

if they could have done better if they don't took inspiration of GoT and just did their own thing.

Absolutely they could have IMO. The actual books in the elder scroll series are really well written and actually feels like a different culture altogether. All kinds of fun sexual tidbits too like the "festival of flowers" and so on.

[Gukahn]

8 minutes ago, yorpers said:

Absolutely they could have IMO. The actual books in the elder scroll series are really well written and actually feels like a different culture altogether. All kinds of fun sexual tidbits too like the "festival of flowers" and so on.

Friend of mine already tried to sell me on the books..  But she said they are hit and miss sometimes so I didn't bother to buy them  yet.. ?

Edited August 19, 2022 by Gukahn

[yorpers]

3 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

Friend of mine already tried to sell me on the books..  But she said they are hit and miss sometimes so I didn't bother to buy them  yet.. ?

The short stories in the games are what I meant. They are hit and miss too, but some of them are pretty wild. I definitely suggest reading them on the wiki instead of in game though. "Bone 1 and 2" and good ones for an example.

 

 

I have yet to read the actual books IRL too, but I should.

[Gukahn]

4 minutes ago, yorpers said:

The short stories in the games are what I meant. They are hit and miss too, but some of them are pretty wild. I definitely suggest reading them on the wiki instead of in game though. "Bone 1 and 2" and good ones for an example.

Oh you mean them.. I "Eat" them Up back when Morrowind was still kinda new.  But you give me an idea to hit the Books up someday to get maybe a bit inspiration myself ?

[Guest]

On 8/18/2022 at 8:53 PM, RJLbwb said:

It's not just they are small, the game insisting that Riften is the size of Medieval Constantinople with huge,  ancient sewer system, rather than some just  a hick village with pretensions   Listing to the Thieves Guild members go on about "the word on the streets is...." and wanting to correct them with "you mean  the word on The street, Brenwulf." 

Fun fact, Cities can have a separate World Space. If they had a ''Fake appearance'' from outside and the appropriate LOD model that matches with the actual City World Space which would be huge it could work but seeing what modern games could accomplish with Cities and a Full Open World (And Black Desert Online isn't very modern) i guess they need to improve on their rendering method as well. Skyrim takes too many resources for what it accomplishes whilst more modern engines, can highly benefit from SSDs and load a huge sum of objects (meshes/ textures) immediately with less system resources and cache building up.

But i believe thats secondary anyway, since it has far more important issues that must be addressed first, such as its outdated scripting capabilities even how lower framerate (caused by different factors) can affect scripts even and break the game.

Edited August 20, 2022 by modsearcheruservisitor

[gagemage]

38 minutes ago, modsearcheruservisitor said:

Fun fact, Cities can have a separate World Space. If they had a ''Fake appearance'' from outside and the appropriate LOD model that matches with the actual City World Space which would be huge it could work but seeing what modern games could accomplish with Cities and a Full Open World (And Black Desert Online isn't very modern) i guess they need to improve on their rendering method as well. Skyrim takes too many resources for what it accomplishes whilst more modern engines, can highly benefit from SSDs and load a huge sum of objects (meshes/ textures) immediately with less system resources and cache building up.

But i believe thats secondary anyway, since it has far more important issues that must be addressed first, such as its outdated scripting capabilities even how lower framerate (caused by different factors) can affect scripts even and break the game.

this this this. at this point i feel like skyrim is far past its time. it should be illegal for it to still be $60 USD lol. the same is going on with the sims 4: totally broken, outdated engine being stretched far too thin. skyrim came out in 2011; special edition came out later, but iirc, the game data folder was almost identical. new engines and renderers have come soooooo far, i'm very excited to see what bethesda can do with a newer engine... but we'll see lol, because it is bethesda and they use the Creation engine which i'm not super familiar with. but i remember as a teen everyone around me was freaking out about how cool the graphics of skyrim were when it first launched, and now compare them to today lol. skyrim is very dated technologically, but there's something that keeps us playing it despite all its flaws. 

skyrim had a lot of limitations at the time probably partially due to how different the game development software landscape was, plus bethesda tends to be a bit ambitious and overlooks some pretty significant problems/solutions. especially the game-breaking bugs on console where i don't think you have commands to fix them. i ended up switching to PC once i got a capable computer because my years-long playthrough on console got a bug that totally fucked up solstheim for me, and i also lost serana and never found her again lol. i do think with how much further technology goes nowadays that TES 6 will be better, at least graphically, and hopefully in terms of size too. but again, it's bethesda.

[Darkpig]

I was reading a thread about how one user likes 'realistically proportioned' titties and I was thinking you could face down a dragon with a fork. But then my brain went into overdrive and was like why haven't the people in Skyrim tried using their catapults against dragons?

 

Why not use siege engines against giant flying lizards? Even if firing catapults were little more than decoration the scale could have been that much more amazing. And actually very little changes with the discovery of dragons. The most you see is the Jarl sending guards to Riverwood. None of the people try to protect their homes from dragon fire by fortifying their walls with stone or even creating mounds of dirt to keep the fire from spreading.

 

I guess this is more of a nit pick than a rant but I had to say it.

[Gukahn]

18 minutes ago, Darkpig said:

I guess this is more of a nit pick than a rant but I had to say it.

No, many People complained especially about the state of Housing and Citys, especially about Dragonsreach which is entirely made out of Wood.  And after i watched where they use Balista in Game of Thrones to fight the Dragons.. I even was a little pissed with Bethesda ?

I mean, they have not only the Technology, but should have everything already made because of the Civil War and the Great War in the past. There should be at least premade Ammunition for those Weapons lying around.  Instead they shoot Arrows at flying Murder Machines and try to poke them with Swords.. Good Idea Guard Number 64, you will be missed ?

[Darkpig]

58 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

No, many People complained especially about the state of Housing and Citys, especially about Dragonsreach which is entirely made out of Wood.  And after i watched where they use Balista in Game of Thrones to fight the Dragons.. I even was a little pissed with Bethesda ?

I mean, they have not only the Technology, but should have everything already made because of the Civil War and the Great War in the past. There should be at least premade Ammunition for those Weapons lying around.  Instead they shoot Arrows at flying Murder Machines and try to poke them with Swords.. Good Idea Guard Number 64, you will be missed ?

Speaking of housing and dragons, have the modders fixed that wooden dragon trap yet? Shouldn't be that hard to replace the texture right?

[MadMansGun]

1 hour ago, Darkpig said:

Speaking of housing and dragons, have the modders fixed that wooden dragon trap yet? Shouldn't be that hard to replace the texture right?

wood is fine, it gets the job done

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[Darkpig]

31 minutes ago, MadMansGun said:

wood is fine, it gets the job done

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But who is going to clean up afterwards?

[Grey Cloud]

6 hours ago, Darkpig said:

why haven't the people in Skyrim tried using their catapults against dragons?

I think you mean ballistas. Rate of fire too slow and almost impossible to aim at a moving target let alone a flying one.

 

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For the record, the plot of the Song of Ice and Fire books has zero similarity to the 'plot' of Skyrim.

[Darkpig]

8 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

I think you mean ballistas. Rate of fire too slow and almost impossible to aim at a moving target let alone a flying one.

 

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For the record, the plot of the Song of Ice and Fire books has zero similarity to the 'plot' of Skyrim.

I have considered that but if that giant rock hits think about the emotional damage?

 

Okay just damage but my dumb brain couldn't resist the reference. The reward for hitting the dragon with a boulder could outweigh the risk. As for ballistas I have yet to see the nords reverse enginer dwarven ballistas with the exception of the Dawngard who have done it on a smaller scale.

[Gukahn]

13 hours ago, Darkpig said:

Speaking of housing and dragons, have the modders fixed that wooden dragon trap yet? Shouldn't be that hard to replace the texture right?

Good Question. I never bothered with the Main Quest enough to look for something to enhance it. Haven't finished it for probably 8 Years?  ?

 

 

And the real World Ballista should be a thing. If I am allowed to take ESO as example, we had Ballista for PVP ?

 

Edited August 26, 2022 by Gukahn

[Grey Cloud]

15 minutes ago, Darkpig said:

the emotional damage

A bruised ego?

 

 

The Nords need to go ballistic.

[Gukahn]

4 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

A bruised ego?

 

 

The Nords need to go ballistic.

 

I'm on it

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