Better Living Through Cumistry

[juice26us]

On 7/18/2022 at 9:39 AM, spicydoritos said:

 

Offhand I don't know.  But if you post a papyrus log I'll take a look.  Be sure to turn on Verbose Papyrus Logging in the mod's MCM Debug menu, have sex with a cum-capable partner, and try to save the cum.

So I have logs enabled, but am not see it. Also noticed that my animations only last for 20 to 30 seconds. And also not getting climax's. May not be this mod, but something else. But still can't find the log. Looked in MCM and did a broad search.

 

[spicydoritos]

14 minutes ago, juice26us said:

So I have logs enabled, but am not see it. Also noticed that my animations only last for 20 to 30 seconds. And also not getting climax's. May not be this mod, but something else. But still can't find the log. Looked in MCM and did a broad search.

 

 

I'm going to direct you to EgoBallistic's instructions on how to enable, find, and post a papyrus log.

 

Sounds as if you might have some deeper issues with your AAF installation though.  If scenes are somehow not finishing properly, BLTC would not have a chance to react to the OnSceneEnd event.

[juice26us]

On 7/19/2022 at 11:13 AM, spicydoritos said:

 

I'm going to direct you to EgoBallistic's instructions on how to enable, find, and post a papyrus log.

 

Sounds as if you might have some deeper issues with your AAF installation though.  If scenes are somehow not finishing properly, BLTC would not have a chance to react to the OnSceneEnd event.

Here's the log. Am I missing tags? 

Papyrus.0.log

[spicydoritos]

1 hour ago, juice26us said:

Here's the log. Am I missing tags? 

Papyrus.0.log 37.05 kB · 0 downloads

 

Snapdragon's animations generally don't have the tags that BLTC relies on.  Try testing with animations from BP70 or SavageCabbage if you can; those ship with tags baked in.  Most other animation packs have tags added by the Themes mod, so if you have Themes installed, those animations would be fine too.

[juice26us]

On 7/21/2022 at 8:30 AM, spicydoritos said:

 

Snapdragon's animations generally don't have the tags that BLTC relies on.  Try testing with animations from BP70 or SavageCabbage if you can; those ship with tags baked in.  Most other animation packs have tags added by the Themes mod, so if you have Themes installed, those animations would be fine too.

 

I fixed it. Seemed to be a AAF/UAP issue. But thanks for the help. 

[lister1911]

Probably a dumb question that I already know the answer to, but the requirement section surprised me; doesn't bltc need at least one sex mod to call animations in order to work? Thanks very much! 

[spicydoritos]

3 hours ago, lister1911 said:

Probably a dumb question that I already know the answer to, but the requirement section surprised me; doesn't bltc need at least one sex mod to call animations in order to work? Thanks very much! 

 

Indeed.  That falls under the third item in the requirements list, "Working AAF installation, including animations and tags/Themes".  :-)

[vaultbait]

3 hours ago, lister1911 said:

Probably a dumb question that I already know the answer to, but the requirement section surprised me; doesn't bltc need at least one sex mod to call animations in order to work? Thanks very much! 

 

I guess it depends on your definition of "requirement." The point of this mod is that it adds effects after sex scenes. It doesn't include any sex scenes. If you don't install mods which provide sex scenes, then this mod is technically not broken, you're just not utilizing it.

[lister1911]

20 hours ago, spicydoritos said:

 

Indeed.  That falls under the third item in the requirements list, "Working AAF installation, including animations and tags/Themes".  ?

Sort of. I have a working AAF install with animations, tags, themes, etc. but even so, this mod does nothing without another sex mod calling those animations, right? This mod doesn't do that, so at a minimum, one sex mod like Violate, Commonwealth Captives, Will of Atom etc. is required. That's what I thought, just wanted to confirm. Thanks very much!

[lister1911]

20 hours ago, vaultbait said:

 

I guess it depends on your definition of "requirement." The point of this mod is that it adds effects after sex scenes. It doesn't include any sex scenes. If you don't install mods which provide sex scenes, then this mod is technically not broken, you're just not utilizing it.

I didn't mean to imply it was broken, but I completely understand what you're saying, and that's what I figured was the case. Thanks very much for confirming!

[spicydoritos]

2 hours ago, lister1911 said:

Sort of. I have a working AAF install with animations, tags, themes, etc. but even so, this mod does nothing without another sex mod calling those animations, right? This mod doesn't do that, so at a minimum, one sex mod like Violate, Commonwealth Captives, Will of Atom etc. is required. That's what I thought, just wanted to confirm. Thanks very much!

 

Ah, I understand the gist of your question now.  You are correct that BLTC does not include a method of initiating animations.  Remember, too, that animations can be started directly through AAF if you don't mind the slightly reduced immersion.

[NewtoMods96]

Forgive my asking, but which synths count as gen 2 synths. I tried  collecting from what the Fallout Fandom wiki refers to as gen 2 synths but received gen 1 effects. Was wondering if you would be willing to provide a hint or parameter for discerning which is which. Thanks for your time.

[spicydoritos]

3 hours ago, NewtoMods96 said:

Forgive my asking, but which synths count as gen 2 synths. I tried  collecting from what the Fallout Fandom wiki refers to as gen 2 synths but received gen 1 effects. Was wondering if you would be willing to provide a hint or parameter for discerning which is which. Thanks for your time.

 

TBH it can be tough to distinguish without checking in console (for which I heartily recommend Better Console).  I spent a little time searching through the CK records.  The food and weapon vendor synths in the Institute are specifically listed as Gen 2.  Beyond that, it looks as though Gen 2 synths are distinguished by either wearing white Institute clothing (not just armor), or they have complete, undamaged skin.  Examples below spoiler.

 

Spoiler

 

[NewtoMods96]

Thanks!

[rubber_duck]

Any chance of adding support for Servitron in the near future?

 

Thanks in advance, love your work! Keep it up!

 

Edited August 25, 2022 by rubber_duck

[spicydoritos]

52 minutes ago, rubber_duck said:

Any chance of adding support for Servitron in the near future?

 

Thanks in advance, love your work! Keep it up!

 

 

I could handle them like the DLC races and patch them into an equivalency list. They would then be treated as a suitably similar robot or synth.  The results wouldn't be perfect, since messages and saved cum would reference "Protectron" (for example) instead of Servitron. Still, presumably that's better than treating them as human?  The amount of effort required to add a new race otherwise is tremendous.

 

If I go that route, do you have a preference on nearest equivalent vanilla race?  I don't really know anything about servitrons.

[rubber_duck]

2 hours ago, spicydoritos said:

 

I could handle them like the DLC races and patch them into an equivalency list. They would then be treated as a suitably similar robot or synth.  The results wouldn't be perfect, since messages and saved cum would reference "Protectron" (for example) instead of Servitron. Still, presumably that's better than treating them as human?  The amount of effort required to add a new race otherwise is tremendous.

 

If I go that route, do you have a preference on nearest equivalent vanilla race?  I don't really know anything about servitrons.

 

First of all, thanks for quick reply!

 

Honestly, I don't know. On one hand, treating Servitrons as Synths makes sense as they are both technically robots with humanoid skeletons; but on the other hand, treating Servitrons as Robots (Mr. Handy, Protectron) also makes sense as Servitrons are basically vanilla Assaultrons with human female skeleton (are Assaultrons supported? I've never seen the animation with them, but if they are it'd make most sense to treat Servitrons as Assaultrons).

 

It's up to you, but I think it'd make a bit more sense to treat them as vanilla robots for the following reasons:

 

- Synths use different voice than robots (when creating a Servitron you are able to change its voice - however, you're limited to vanilla Automatron voices such as male, female, male processed, female processed, assaultron, etc.)

- Automatron workbench - required for creating Servitrons (same as Automatron robots)

- Generally speaking, Servitrons are more similar to robots than Synths

 

On that note, I should mention that Servitron has 2 genders, but it's through a keyword. I created 2 Servitrons - one with Assaultron voice, and the other with Female voice. The first one (Assaultron voice) was recognized by AAF as male, and the other one (Female voice) was recognized as female. Not really sure if this is relevant, but just saying.

 

Either way it'd be better than it is right now, where Servitrons are giving humanoid cum. Adding a brand new race is complicated so I'd steer clear of that route if I were you.

 

Oh, and one more thing!

As you are the author of Sex Education I'd like to use this opportunity to ask if it'd be possible to include Servitrons there as well? Right now it doesn't keep the track of scenes with Servitron.

 

Thanks in advance, hopefully you'll come up with something!

Take care and keep up the great work!

 

[spicydoritos]

22 minutes ago, rubber_duck said:

On that note, I should mention that Servitron has 2 genders, but it's through a keyword. I created 2 Servitrons - one with Assaultron voice, and the other with Female voice. The first one (Assaultron voice) was recognized by AAF as male, and the other one (Female voice) was recognized as female. Not really sure if this is relevant, but just saying.

If the engine considers the actorbase to be female (e.g. GetSex() = 1), then you'll have to use the MCM setting "Allow Female Effects" to get cum effects.

 

26 minutes ago, rubber_duck said:

Oh, and one more thing!

As you are the author of Sex Education I'd like to use this opportunity to ask if it'd be possible to include Servitrons there as well? Right now it doesn't keep the track of scenes with Servitron.

Clarify one thing if you would: are you not getting XP for scenes with servitrons, or are they simply not printed to the sexual history list?  The former should basically never happen; SexEd is designed to track any race AAF allows you to bang, including totally new and unknown ones. The latter makes perfect sense, and could be covered with a minor patch.

[rubber_duck]

2 hours ago, spicydoritos said:

Clarify one thing if you would: are you not getting XP for scenes with servitrons, or are they simply not printed to the sexual history list?  The former should basically never happen; SexEd is designed to track any race AAF allows you to bang, including totally new and unknown ones. The latter makes perfect sense, and could be covered with a minor patch.

 

I get XP but when I bring up the 'history' menu where I can see the list of how many times the scene happened with race actors - it's empty.

 

To be clear, on my current save my player only participated in scenes with Servitron a few times and when I open the said menu I only get 'You've slept with partner X times' message and no actual number nor the type.

 

[spicydoritos]

14 minutes ago, rubber_duck said:

 

I get XP but when I bring up the 'history' menu where I can see the list of how many times the scene happened with race actors - it's empty.

 

To be clear, on my current save my player only participated in scenes with Servitron a few times and when I open the said menu I only get 'You've slept with partner X times' message and no actual number nor the type.

 

 

Okay yeah that's normal.  The message box needs string entries to display history, so it only shows vanilla races.  Patching on extra entries for a mod like servitron should be trivial.  Meanwhile, if you want to see your full history, you can use the option that outputs all stored data to your papyrus log.

[rubber_duck]

1 hour ago, spicydoritos said:

 

Okay yeah that's normal.  The message box needs string entries to display history, so it only shows vanilla races.  Patching on extra entries for a mod like servitron should be trivial.  Meanwhile, if you want to see your full history, you can use the option that outputs all stored data to your papyrus log.

 

Got it, thanks! I won't output data to papyrus as it's a minor issue and has absolutely no effect on the gameplay whatsoever. I just like to check the stats here and there and not seeing any strings got me worried a bit.

 

I don't want to be the 'pain in the neck' type of person, but as far as I can see I'm the only one who requested the Servitron support - I'd totally understand if you don't update/patch the mod (as there's very, very low demand for it). So if you don't want to do it, could you help me create my own patch for Sex Education and Servitron?

 

Whatever you do, I appreciate it! And thanks for replying!

[spicydoritos]

1 hour ago, rubber_duck said:

 

Got it, thanks! I won't output data to papyrus as it's a minor issue and has absolutely no effect on the gameplay whatsoever. I just like to check the stats here and there and not seeing any strings got me worried a bit.

 

I don't want to be the 'pain in the neck' type of person, but as far as I can see I'm the only one who requested the Servitron support - I'd totally understand if you don't update/patch the mod (as there's very, very low demand for it). So if you don't want to do it, could you help me create my own patch for Sex Education and Servitron?

 

Whatever you do, I appreciate it! And thanks for replying!

 

In my experience, the various patches I make get downloaded by many more people than I would have assumed.  Also, this one (and the one for SexEd) serve as good templates for others who might want to make their own mod loadout compatible.  I tested briefly and things seem good.  Let me know if you find issues.

BLTC Servitron Equivalency Patch.zip

[rubber_duck]

12 hours ago, spicydoritos said:

 

In my experience, the various patches I make get downloaded by many more people than I would have assumed.  Also, this one (and the one for SexEd) serve as good templates for others who might want to make their own mod loadout compatible.  I tested briefly and things seem good.  Let me know if you find issues.

BLTC Servitron Equivalency Patch.zip 2.33 kB · 0 downloads

 

Thank you! I'll test these out as soon as possible and report issues (should there be any).

 

Nonetheless, thanks a lot for providing support for Servitron in your mods! Keep up the great work!

[KingMaker11]

What mod do you recommend pairing this with that allows you to specifically choose Oral scenes/animations?

 

I'm using Sex Me Up prostitution option and it always picks a random animation I've no control over.

[spicydoritos]

3 hours ago, KingMaker11 said:

What mod do you recommend pairing this with that allows you to specifically choose Oral scenes/animations?

 

I'm using Sex Me Up prostitution option and it always picks a random animation I've no control over.

 

At the moment, I'm not sure a perfectly synergistic mod exists.  The nearest I can recall is Hardship.  That mod at least let you try to influence the type of sex you'd have as a prostitute.

 

Generally I just use the AAF wizard if I want to guarantee an oral animation.  Or take my chances with a threesome.