Chaos63 Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 I just gotta love those poor bastards who actually went forward and signed up for premium servers. Fantastic job paying some cheap shit's bills while he proceeds to piss all over you and openly calling you a moron, never giving you your money's worth ever. Although knowing my luck, there's probably a moderator reading this thread who has it...
bob11 Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 So what is it. Are they moneygrabbing Bastards or do they not care if the Servers are up or not. Only one bitchy crazyness works. It's both. Definitely both. No it can't. If they are a bunch of moneygrabbing bastards who spent all ad-revenue on Hookers and Blow, they will want to have the Servers up and running at all times. Even if it were a stuttering mess unable to handle any download, at least it would produce traffic. If they don't give a shit if the Servers are up or not, they can't be that greedy now can they. Because an offline website does not produce Money. And i'm sorry but did people just start comparing the Valve Corporation, a professional multi-billion-dollar corporation with a staff of over 300 people, with the Nexus-Team, a small group of freelance Dudes who run a fansite? Feel free to dismiss me, i'm just a longtime lurker, but that's crazyness. Of course an offline server produces money. Did you read what D0 considers success? That despite the fact that the servers were basically down, the site was functioning. Obviously it'd be a success since the ads are on the site rather than the downloads, which don't really yield immediate revenue. Your main concern would be that whatever is serving the ads is up at all times as opposed to something that doesn't. Now Nexus gets the ad revenue regardless of the state or capacity of servers. Genius. Yup, greedy as fuck I'd say.
GrimReaper Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 Of course an offline server produces money. Did you read what D0 considers success? That despite the fact that the servers were basically down, the site was functioning. Obviously it'd be a success since the ads are on the site rather than the downloads, which don't really yield immediate revenue. Your main concern would be that whatever is serving the ads is up at all times as opposed to something that doesn't. Now Nexus gets the ad revenue regardless of the state or capacity of servers. Genius. Yup, greedy as fuck I'd say. Ad companies do have ways of tracking if their stuff gets seen or not. Nobody sees the ads = no money.
D_ManXX2 Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 Hey it is those evil adblockers and noscripters doing this to poor the nexus servers.. No seriously common what has to be done to get modders to move away from nexus.
Eth4rlad Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 Of course an offline server produces money. Did you read what D0 considers success? That despite the fact that the servers were basically down, the site was functioning. Obviously it'd be a success since the ads are on the site rather than the downloads, which don't really yield immediate revenue. Your main concern would be that whatever is serving the ads is up at all times as opposed to something that doesn't. Now Nexus gets the ad revenue regardless of the state or capacity of servers. Genius. Yup, greedy as fuck I'd say. Ad Agencies do track if their Ads get seen, blocked and clicked you know?
GrimReaper Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 Granted it doesn't get that same traffic flow Yo. Most other sites outsource their downloading and uploading to big filehosters like mega, mediafire or 4shared. Nexus uses it's own filehosting service. Hongfire for example is another big site that has returning issues with stability and they already have most of their downloads on filehosters.
Chaos63 Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 which means they don't have to pay for bandwidth.....which means Dorkone gets even to keep even more money. Do as I do, mix up a little bit of addblocker with a pinch of noscript and lo and behold he gets exactly jack shit, at least from you. I'm not against disabling them if the site owner asks me to support the site, but when it's evident the money is used for anything but, well...here we are.
myuhinny Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 I use ghostery to prevent tracking. Someone ate another potatoe the nexus took another shit. *Due to changes made to the network infrastructure of our hosts yesterday evening without our knowledge we are having to take our database cluster offline this afternoon while we preform a move over to a new subnet. Without this work taking place it's likely the servers will not stay up this weekend, so it's important it is done now, rather then later. We expect this work to last one hour. But this is the internet, and anything can happen in an hour.*
Rayblue Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 File servers got offline. Fortunately I got the ETAC patches just before that.
Eth4rlad Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 Look, i really don't want to come over as whiteknighting Nexus. There's a lot of shit wrong with Nexus and a couple of the Moderators there are outright megalomanic. I usually keep my mouth shut because why bother starting a fight, right? But some of the accusiations and comparisons in this thread are outright insane. I'm just saying there enough room to be reasonably mad at Nexus without spiraling into complete paranoia and insanity. There are plenty of site being ran by small collectives of people and they are running all the time. The crap going on with the Nexus servers are unique to that site, unless you guys can provide me with an actual example of an equally shitty server? The obvious counterpoint would be if you can provide me an actual example of a Filehosting-Server that has the same functions and Traffic as Nexus does. The only thing that comes even close are Platforms like Origin or Steam, and that is an unfair comparison considering the amount of money and manpower behind these platforms. And besides that, does anyone even remember how shitty Steam was in it's infant years? The only other Filehost to be fairly compared is GOG.com which runs outright amazing BUT still has it's downtimes. But personally i would say GOG is the only good example how Nexus SHOULD and maybe will work, one day. Hell, look at LL. Granted it doesn't get that same traffic flow yet how many times has it been down? And Nexus DOES get add revenue if the servers are going to crap, afterall, for the most part you can visit the site just fine...meaning you see the adds and Dorkone gets paid. But the DL servers don't work....which means they don't have to pay for bandwidth.....which means Dorkone gets even to keep even more money. There are a couple of Asian sites that damn near get the same traffic flow as Nexus being ran by only a couple of people that i have yet to see have any server issues. Though, im guessing it is because they have vastly superior broadband compare to the UK and the site owners actually invest in their server farms to ensure the site stays working. These excuses that is being ran by amateurs and therefore we can make excuses for it not running is flimsy at best. The very fact they can't keep it running should have been all proof Dorkone needs to motivate him to spend a little less on himself and perhaps hire someone who knows what the hell they are doing? I can' think of a single Website, including LL, that actually hosts thousands of Mods on it's own server and has tenthousands of downloads. Most are simply outsorcing it's files to the plethora of free filehosters like 4shared or whathaveyou. And dear god are some of those filehosts slow or riddled with Ads. Compared to many filehosts out there, Nexus is wonderfull. It doesnt ask me to register with my facebook or Google+ , it doesnt want me to fill out some kind of shitty Survey and it allows me to download as much as i want without paying any money for it.
Rayblue Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 Some of your points are valid, and Nexus is on top of the food chain as far as hosting is concerned, but how the moderators there do their own brand of "law and order", as well as some of the userbase there, combined with the drama-and-politics-filled toxic environment, is what makes it difficult to speak the truth frankly in what is jokingly called a "community". Also, I peruse some of those filehosters (and mod authors who use them know which ones are the best to mirror/store their mods when and if Nexus loses it), and fortunately both Firefox and Chrome do have plugins to ensure that nobody gets the wrong ads.
Eth4rlad Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 And by that you must mean mine because its the one(s) you keep quoting. Because questioning the way nexus is ran is apparently paranoid and insane ? No, that's why i wrote that before i answered to your Post. It wasnt intentionally directed at you. I'm just saying there are couple of accusiations in this thread that simply boggle my mind. And OF COURSE questioning Nexus is fine. I'm sorry if i can't get my point across, english isn't my native language. What i'm trying to say is there are so many many valid and reasonable things that are bothersome about Nexus, and all have been said here. And those valid and reasonable things are sometimes drowned under a pile of unfunded and illogical bile of others. I'm not pointing fingers and i'm not calling names and i'll probably gtfo of this Thread because i'm backing myself into a corner where i come over as a defender of Nexus and basher of the LL-community, something i'm certainly not. You asked for an example yet provided one? Yes because that's how a fair discussion works. Conciously ignoring or concealing the only filehost that comes even close i can think of would mean i'm getting into this discussion with some ulterior Motive to make Nexus look better. I did also say that GOG has it's downsides. And lest not forget that GOG still is a platform that actually SALES Software, not just hosting it for free, so it is still a flawed example. Yet still, i hope i made my point. If one asks for a platform that is equally shit as Nexus, one would first have to find a platform that is equal in Service, Manpower and monetary investment same as Nexus, otherwise the point is purely hypothetical and, in the end, moot. .
myuhinny Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 It was free along with the viruses that come with it. Or it's a trial and after the end of the trial it will end and then the site will go down again for X amount of time to uninstall it then re-install it to start the new trial version.
Kendo 2 Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 He got it for free. For some reason i couldn't stop laughing at that Yeah, the first thing that came to mind when I read his news post was, 'Well, OF COURSE your users now have access to a practical addition to Nexus. YOU didn't have to pay for it...yah cheap bastard.'
Captain Cobra Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 It was free along with the viruses that come with it. Or it's a trial and after the end of the trial it will end and then the site will go down again for X amount of time to uninstall it then re-install it to start the new trial version. He's using https://www.virustotal.com/ It's a pretty useful site.
RitualClarity Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 He got it for free. He got it for free. For some reason i couldn't stop laughing at that The company gave it free to him likely for him to "advertise" it in his post and comments. This exposes the company to others that might decide to purchase the product. It is a normal business action by both Nexus and VirusTotal. However I haven't seen any site of Nexus's level not running some form of virus protection to protect their users. Sure some small sites might not and cross their fingers but Nexus is far from small. It is a shameful thing that it took troubles from their users ( free or not) to expose the situation and then for another company to offer the services free. The same could have been done if he had some protection running ( even if it cost some) and then asked the viewers, users or companies to "help out reducing cost" .. There likely would be some company that would do this for the above reason ( advertisements) for free. On a separate note: What will really get you guys, gals goat is the premium works very well. A friend of mine has it up and running for a month and gets large downloads in minutes at the same time I get jack. So.. is Nexus actually putting the money into the premium servers and prioritizing them for the premium users at the expense of the free users? I am so lucky I can get some of the most critical files from my friend.. It might take a few days until I see him again but .. if the servers aren't working properly then that might be the only choice unless I pay for a premium. Something I am very reluctant in doing. It was a really eye opener when I seen he ran 5 ... count them 5 separate downloads at a total of more than 600kbs when I could barely get one download to start much less download... on the very same network ( at his house). At my house.. the very same thing. He can storm through 3, 4, or 5 big downloads when I can barely get one to work.. Needless to say he is quite pleased with his service. ... I am getting quite pissed with mine. .. Really. Dark One. I understand perhaps limiting the bandwidth,... sure. Perhaps allowing one download at a time ( in a que) sure for free. Fine. It would take much more time to download a lot of mods but I can understand it. Other sites do the same. But crippling the free service.. Really? Dark One you really need to get that running to some reasonable level.
Guest Omega1084 Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 a crack addicted leprechaun. It's all because of those freeloadin' adblockin' kids! They're after me Lucky Crackpipe! You'll NEVER get his lucky crackpipe lucky.jpg I'm a day too late but I was watching a video and reading this at the same time and.. well.. Making maps isn't making Tingle enough money anymore :c
Chaos63 Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 It was a really eye opener when I seen he ran 5 ... count them 5 separate downloads at a total of more than 600kbs when I could barely get one download to start much less download... on the very same network ( at his house). At my house.. the very same thing. He can storm through 3, 4, or 5 big downloads when I can barely get one to work.. Needless to say he is quite pleased with his service. ... I am getting quite pissed with mine. .. Really. Dark One. I understand perhaps limiting the bandwidth,... sure. Perhaps allowing one download at a time ( in a que) sure for free. Fine. It would take much more time to download a lot of mods but I can understand it. Other sites do the same. But crippling the free service.. Really? Dark One you really need to get that running to some reasonable level. It's about principle, not usefulness. No matter how faster(uncapped) premium servers might be, getting it supports pay4download of unofficial game modifications, SOMEBODY ELSE'S game modifications, which in itself should realistically be a crime. I sincirely hope nobody on LL has this, this shit promotes blatant racketeering up to the point where we have no choice but pay if we want to download something without tearing our hair out. You can call tinfoil all you want, but this shit could get out of hand real fast.
Rayblue Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 It was a really eye opener when I seen he ran 5 ... count them 5 separate downloads at a total of more than 600kbs when I could barely get one download to start much less download... on the very same network ( at his house). At my house.. the very same thing. He can storm through 3, 4, or 5 big downloads when I can barely get one to work.. Needless to say he is quite pleased with his service. ... I am getting quite pissed with mine. .. Really. Dark One. I understand perhaps limiting the bandwidth,... sure. Perhaps allowing one download at a time ( in a que) sure for free. Fine. It would take much more time to download a lot of mods but I can understand it. Other sites do the same. But crippling the free service.. Really? Dark One you really need to get that running to some reasonable level. It's about principle, not usefulness. No matter how faster(uncapped) premium servers might be, getting it supports pay4download of unofficial game modifications, SOMEBODY ELSE'S game modifications, which in itself should realistically be a crime. I sincirely hope nobody on LL has this, this shit promotes blatant racketeering up to the point where we have no choice but pay if we want to download something without tearing our hair out. You can call tinfoil all you want, but this shit could get out of hand real fast. THIS.
GrimReaper Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 There seems to be several misconceptions about how websites work from a money generating perspective. Hosting and maintaining a site costs money. From a couple of hundred bucks if you just need to rent a server for your website, without any filehosting to open end if you want to rent servers for filehosting, depending on the traffic and how many people use said servers. Normally, ads would more or less cover the cost you are generating when using a website, but since many people are using script- or adblockers, ad companies pay less. Lets just say 50% of the users use some sort of blockers, the ad companies are able to track just that and will be paying you less for space on your website. So, if you want to actively hurt a website, you use adblock, noscript and ghostery and generate traffic. You will cost the owner additional money without giving the owner any chance to utilize your presence on the site to generate enough money to cover the expenses you cause. You won't get rich from hosting a website. Never. If you really want to hurt the nexus, do just that. But you should keep in mind that the nexus is the biggest site for mods. If the nexus dies, it's likely nobody will want to take its place. If you want to scavenge through dozens of blogs and smaller forums that more often than not require you to make an account for each of them to find a mod, fine. I don't. While I don't like the nexus personally, I respect it for being a giant and comfortable to use place to get the mods I want to get.
Chaos63 Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 While I don't like the nexus personally Yeah, bullshit. For somebody who "doesn't like" the nexus, you sure defend it very often. The nexus isn't as poor as you're trying to make it look, it makes plenty of money, enough so that it's owner can spend it on his own leisure while evidently investing jack and shit into upgrading the very servers that are making him that same money. Stop shilling for the nexus, or at least have the decency to do it outside of threads made specifically for bitching about it.
D_ManXX2 Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 Looks like Darkone explains what happens on nexus. looks like some anynomous group of hacker fucks took over there ip http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/1901058-virus-scan-reports-now-visible-on-file-pages-more-security-incoming/ Recent spike in down time. We've had a couple of outages this week. Earlier on in the week we had a couple of hours of down-time because someone who is in the same Cloud as us had some how managed to take our allocated IP addresses. Without any IP addresses you can't access the sites. We managed to sort that one out and our hosts have told us it shouldn't happen again, but it was completely out of our control. Also it seem they now finally scan the files before they are allowed to download there now.
Guest Ragna_Rok Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 im laughing my ass off every time i check back here... like once a week or so
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