Diary Of Mine for Paradise Halls

[TrollAutokill]

Moved Underground Bathhouse patch to its own thread. You're welcome to join.

 

 

[Scroolose]

22 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

We could add training to NPCs hit by the whip and dialogues to interact with 4 rank relationship actors. Basically it would mean to increase various faction ranks depending on interactions.

 

But you won't get the more complex parts (punishment reasons, moods, ...) without copying the whole mod to take care of spouse/lover aliases instead of slave aliases. Basically rewriting a spouse/lover-PAHE/DoM mod instead of slave-PAHE/DoM.

 

So my opinion is that it would be either very dull or tedious.

Sorry, I meant, more of alternative way of getting npcs into training by first beating them almost to death.

Something like Player passing Intimidation check ( something like "I've cared and provided for you, and you still remain disobedient. I see I will have to take matters into my own hands and train you personally"), or simply Persuade them, then you equip collar on npc, and it proceeds as usual ( with some initial modification to npcs stats base, like bonus respect).

I guess dialogue would "feel off" by addressing npc as slave but this can be easily individually changed ( into other titles like "concubine" or similar).

[Jasmine92]

18 hours ago, Scroolose said:

Sorry, I meant, more of alternative way of getting npcs into training by first beating them almost to death.

Something like Player passing Intimidation check ( something like "I've cared and provided for you, and you still remain disobedient. I see I will have to take matters into my own hands and train you personally"), or simply Persuade them, then you equip collar on npc, and it proceeds as usual ( with some initial modification to npcs stats base, like bonus respect).

I guess dialogue would "feel off" by addressing npc as slave but this can be easily individually changed ( into other titles like "concubine" or similar).

maybe that could be easily done while the enslavement process is running: checking for a relationship rank and depending on rank apply a modifier on the personality starting values?

 

That begs the question though, if a high relationship rank leads to high respect values "I trusted you before, I trust you now" or bad values "I trusted you, you betrayed me!" and if a rank of 4 (aka spouse if I'm remembering correct) leads to an "in love" slave early on. None the less, I think classical skyrim relationship status carrying over to the the slave stats could make it (even) more immersive.

[CliftonJD]

2 hours ago, Jasmine92 said:

maybe that could be easily done while the enslavement process is running: checking for a relationship rank and depending on rank apply a modifier on the personality starting values?

 

That begs the question though, if a high relationship rank leads to high respect values "I trusted you before, I trust you now" or bad values "I trusted you, you betrayed me!" and if a rank of 4 (aka spouse if I'm remembering correct) leads to an "in love" slave early on. None the less, I think classical skyrim relationship status carrying over to the the slave stats could make it (even) more immersive.

but i think its just as much a request for a new type of dialogue enslavement for spouses based on persuasion/intimidation

[Farsh-nuke]

2 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

but i think its just as much a request for a new type of dialogue enslavement for spouses based on persuasion/intimidation

Given that marriage literally began as slavery to control inheritance I'm surprised the option to enslave spouses through dialogue or even during marriage isn't baked in to Paradise Halls. I guess given marriage in skyrim allows sex and generally ensures the npc is a follower there wasn't a need from the players.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

4 hours ago, Farsh-nuke said:

Given that marriage literally began as slavery to control inheritance I'm surprised the option to enslave spouses through dialogue or even during marriage isn't baked in to Paradise Halls. I guess given marriage in skyrim allows sex and generally ensures the npc is a follower there wasn't a need from the players.

Never mind disputing your interpretation of Earth history, Tamriel is certainly a different place regardless.  Sure, it's probably just a necessary consequence of creating a game where the PC can be male or female without having to create entirely separate narrative paths based on gender, but Skyrim is very gender-egalitarian, and Elder Scrolls lore doesn't portray any real disparity in gender roles even in early history.  

[TrollAutokill]

9 minutes ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Never mind disputing your interpretation of Earth history, Tamriel is certainly a different place regardless.  Sure, it's probably just a necessary consequence of creating a game where the PC can be male or female without having to create entirely separate narrative paths based on gender, but Skyrim is very gender-egalitarian, and Elder Scrolls lore doesn't portray any real disparity in gender roles even in early history.  

I am pretty sure there was no mention of gender to begin with in this discussion.

 

Given that, marriage can be an instrument to control inheritance and people in Tamriel, just more independently of their gender than on Earth.

Edited August 27, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[Antiope_Apollonia]

9 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

I am pretty sure there was no mention of gender to begin with in this discussion.

 

Given that, marriage can be an instrument to control inheritance and people in Tamriel, just more independently of their gender than on Earth.

Well, gender roles are implied in "marriage [beginning] as slavery."  The idea of one spouse being the property of the other only really works in a society where men and women aren't equals.  But regardless, that just isn't how marriage is portrayed in Tamriel.

[Farsh-nuke]

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Well, gender roles are implied in "marriage [beginning] as slavery."  The idea of one spouse being the property of the other only really works in a society where men and women aren't equals.  But regardless, that just isn't how marriage is portrayed in Tamriel.

I appreciate your criticism. You are right that my point did come from the patriarchal view of marriage but I didn't mention gender because I know Skyrim has better gender equality than the real world. That said I see your point that it's a fictional world and isn't limited to reality but it is still a slavery mod so I think it's expected.

[Nalius]

This mod becoming greater and greater so thanks the author for that! Unfortunately am not following the theme constantly because of some difficulties with understanding english.

Anyway, what about an option to make something like Private Needs For Slaves? I do not comprehend totally the complexity of such work , but globally, to be more real, all slaves must pee and scat, they can become thirsty or hungry, or even ill or wounded during combat. And only Dragonborn can take care of them!

There are a lot of options.  For example, in a simple case,  slaves have need to pee according to their bladder capacity and (as an option) according to drinking liquid. And may ask a permission, or do it themselves when allowed, or do without permission, or run out, undress and pee or even pee their pants in front of others if the limit is achieved, or they can pee their pants during hard combat, etc...  And no doubt they can be punished  for all this.

Or if they are too hungry or thirsty they can becoming weaker, periodically loosing conscious or even die if the Dragonborn will be too busy.

This all can do managing slaves much more real and of cause possible to control through mcm options.

I think there are a few mod like private needs for npc and private needs discreet, etc. But the Private needs for slaves will be rather different!

 

[TrollAutokill]

57 minutes ago, nalios said:

This mod becoming greater and greater so thanks the author for that! Unfortunately am not following the theme constantly because of some difficulties with understanding english.

Anyway, what about an option to make something like Private Needs For Slaves? I do not comprehend totally the complexity of such work , but globally, to be more real, all slaves must pee and scat, they can become thirsty or hungry, or even ill or wounded during combat. And only Dragonborn can take care of them!

There are a lot of options.  For example, in a simple case,  slaves have need to pee according to their bladder capacity and (as an option) according to drinking liquid. And may ask a permission, or do it themselves when allowed, or do without permission, or run out, undress and pee or even pee their pants in front of others if the limit is achieved, or they can pee their pants during hard combat, etc...  And no doubt they can be punished  for all this.

Or if they are too hungry or thirsty they can becoming weaker, periodically loosing conscious or even die if the Dragonborn will be too busy.

This all can do managing slaves much more real and of cause possible to control through mcm options.

I think there are a few mod like private needs for npc and private needs discreet, etc. But the Private needs for slaves will be rather different!

 

Thanks for the good word. Unfortunately for those interested into private needs, I am not so much. And since my Todo list is rather long, I am afraid it won't come without a separate add-on.

[banditguy]

Great mod. I do have a request tho. Is there any way to make slaves permanently sad? Say if you want a slave to be permanently sad, is there any way to do that? Also have to mention that slaves get angry waay too much. Makes it feel like the whip or any punishment is just childs play to them. They should be feeling fear and sadness way more if you torment them more, but when i try that, they just get angry again. I know its a feature of the mod to make training slaves more difficult, but im trying to point out that its unrealistic that slaves would get angry all the time if they always get whipped. 
Also i request that you add some kind of cheat mode so we can play around with a slaves traits and personality. Could make the mod way more sandboxy and it can allow us to have more freedom on how the mod affects the slaves. Thanks!
 

Edited August 28, 2022 by banditguy

[Farsh-nuke]

1 hour ago, banditguy said:

Great mod. I do have a request tho. Is there any way to make slaves permanently sad? Say if you want a slave to be permanently sad, is there any way to do that? Also have to mention that slaves get angry waay too much. Makes it feel like the whip or any punishment is just childs play to them. They should be feeling fear and sadness way more if you torment them more, but when i try that, they just get angry again. I know its a feature of the mod to make training slaves more difficult, but im trying to point out that its unrealistic that slaves would get angry all the time if they always get whipped. 
Also i request that you add some kind of cheat mode so we can play around with a slaves traits and personality. Could make the mod way more sandboxy and it can allow us to have more freedom on how the mod affects the slaves. Thanks!
 

Meanwhile I'm here like "Is there a way to make the slaves extremely eager, happy and full of love?" lol

[banditguy]

4 hours ago, Farsh-nuke said:

Meanwhile I'm here like "Is there a way to make the slaves extremely eager, happy and full of love?" lol

There are spells to make slaves be full of lust and love for a period of time. Also idk how but i managed to stockholm syndrome my slave into loving me, despite me never praising her and always punishing and whipping her lol. She basically became broken a few times before admitting to loving me, was a pretty funny moment tbh lol.

[Farsh-nuke]

It's like there are people like me who install mods to protect every named character and then there are people who install mods so they can kill every character at any time lol

[Antiope_Apollonia]

6 hours ago, banditguy said:

Is there any way to make slaves permanently sad?

Monster! 

[banditguy]

8 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Monster! 

Unfair, we are all monsters here! Why else would we go around enslaving people and removing them of all freedoms and binding them to their master? Some NPCs deserve a fate worse than death, and this is the wae.

[sickboy791]

7 hours ago, banditguy said:

Unfair, we are all monsters here!

true, but i don´t want permanent sad slaves either, slavers should ensure that their slaves are happy and motivated as they are expected to perform better....

Why does that remind me of real life ?

[banditguy]

1 hour ago, sickboy791 said:

slavers should ensure that their slaves are happy and motivated as they are expected to perform better....

True. I think that in the end, a cheat mode would be best. Currently the slaves have massive mood swings and it gets annoying after some time. If we could adjust everything this mod does to slaves, it would be heaven, and everyone would get their way. 

Also i asked for the option for making slaves permanently sad, because my character got captured and tormented by bandits. I escaped, and later captured and enslaved said bandits. After punishing them to high oblivion, I loaded them into the Slave CartTM and when we started riding off, they were constantly crying and begging me to release them during the whole ride. I know its sadistic af, but it pleased me alot, these asses made my character go through a hellish time in captivity. After a while though, their mood cooled down, and the begging stopped. Hence me asking if i can make them permanently sad.

Edited August 29, 2022 by banditguy

[TrollAutokill]

1 hour ago, sickboy791 said:

true, but i don´t want permanent sad slaves either, slavers should ensure that their slaves are happy and motivated as they are expected to perform better....

Why does that remind me of real life ?

I get what you mean. Reminds me of my boss...

[TrollAutokill]

24 minutes ago, banditguy said:

True. I think that in the end, a cheat mode would be best. Currently the slaves have massive mood swings and it gets annoying after some time. If we could adjust everything this mod does to slaves, it would be heaven, and everyone would get their way. 

Also i asked for the option for making slaves permanently sad, because my character got captured and tormented by bandits. I escaped, and later captured and enslaved said bandits. After punishing them to high oblivion, I loaded them into the Slave CartTM and when we started riding off, they were constantly crying and begging me to release them during the whole ride. I know its sadistic af, but it pleased me alot, these asses made my character go through a hellish time in captivity. After a while though, their mood cooled down, and the begging stopped. Hence me asking if i can make them permanently sad.

I would say if you only use standard PAHE methods (the whip and telling-off) they should stay in the basic moods, that is angry/afraid/sad and cool down to neutral might need some adjustments. Note that terrified should naturally cool down to afriad/sad/angry  and afraid/angry to scared.

 

What's your experience, is that only the cool down that felt too fast or was it too much mood swing and to not expected mood types like ashamed/shocked/broken?

Edited August 29, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[banditguy]

8 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

I would say if you only use standard PAHE methods (the whip and telling-off) they should stay in the basic moods, that is angry/afraid/sad and cool down to neutral might need some adjustments. Note that terrified should naturally cool down to afriad/sad/angry  and afraid/angry to scared.

 

What's your experience, is that only the cool down that felt too fast or was it too much mood swing and to not expected mood types like ashamed/shocked/broken?

From my experience, when you leave slaves alone long enough, they cool down not too long after the last interaction. The mood swings are such that you dont get any official message from Diary Of Mine's text popup, but looking at the slave, they will be having an angry face, and sure enough, if you ask them how they are feeling, it shows they are angry. This can happen quite a few times, no matter how much you punish slaves. Punishing and humiliating slaves enough will get them shocked and broken after doing it for a while, so thats not really an issue.

Also, speaking of moods, why do slaves get aroused so much? My slave blushes and has an aroused mood when i chain her up, which makes no sense. This is one mood that shows up waay too much for me, not sure if its because im doing something wrong. Even when i whip, scold and punish her, shes still aroused. Even after having sex shes still aroused lol, its pretty annoying. 

[Antiope_Apollonia]

9 hours ago, banditguy said:

Unfair, we are all monsters here! Why else would we go around enslaving people and removing them of all freedoms and binding them to their master?

I'm on a mission of mercy, sparing girls who got mixed up in lives of crime from the sword, teaching them to be productive members of society, and trying to find them loving homes!

[TrollAutokill]

44 minutes ago, banditguy said:

Also, speaking of moods, why do slaves get aroused so much? My slave blushes and has an aroused mood when i chain her up, which makes no sense. This is one mood that shows up waay too much for me, not sure if its because im doing something wrong. Even when i whip, scold and punish her, shes still aroused. Even after having sex shes still aroused lol, its pretty annoying. 

This is being tweaked since the arousal system has changed in 3.x versions. Thanks for reporting btw.

Edited August 29, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[Farsh-nuke]

3 hours ago, sickboy791 said:

true, but i don´t want permanent sad slaves either, slavers should ensure that their slaves are happy and motivated as they are expected to perform better....

Why does that remind me of real life ?

I am reminded of companies that are anti-union and work people hard enough that ambulances queue up outside saying they care about their employees mental health