devious skyrim Unforgiving Devices

[MysticDaedra]

6 hours ago, BreadDain said:

UD Patches fall beyond the limit of 2048 records due to master files structure, highly not recommend you to do that or compact the plugins.
The only plugin that can be safely eslified is DCL patch, it fits technical requirements as per xEdit report.
Also there is no data how espfe structure will behave for LE clients since the mod is compatible for both Skyrim's. Should probably work.
I feel like you can merge them together as a single plugin for your own install.

I'm on SE actually. According to xEdit, both of the patches can be safely compacted; my concern was related to possible script issues.

[BreadDain]

32 minutes ago, MysticDaedra said:

I'm on SE actually. According to xEdit, both of the patches can be safely compacted; my concern was related to possible script issues.

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The master plugin - the plugin that defines a new record - decides the form ID. It can not be changed by plugins overriding the record.

Compacting means that form IDs of new records that are outside the limits are changed so they are within the limits.

And since ESPFE plugin takes first 3 digits of the record it only leaves xxxxxFFF space for records. A lot of patched records have at least 5 digits, although I am not sure how espfe will handle those. Compacting is totally not an option. it will just renumber singular records that are not override and do fit the ESL space. PseudoESL mode denies those plugins from ability to be turned into a lite-plugin.
Feel free to test it out and report the results tho, would be interesting how big patches behave with espfe flag.

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They work great for compatibility patches because they usually only contain overrides of records that were added by a previously loaded plugin, and any plugin that only contains such overrides can be easily converted to ESPFE.

So should be safe. Records affected by compaction would be zad_plugSoulgemInventory_AddedRenderDevice and UD_PatchQuest_LBS

Edited August 8, 2022 by BreadDain

[MysticDaedra]

Interesting bug(?), sentient devices are equipping themselves to my character, even after dropping them on the ground... Is this intended behavior? How to prevent this from constantly happening?

[kurotatsu]

7 hours ago, MysticDaedra said:

Interesting bug(?), sentient devices are equipping themselves to my character, even after dropping them on the ground... Is this intended behavior? How to prevent this from constantly happening?

 

Can you please post the replication steps? I.e. what I need to do to see it happen?

[MysticDaedra]

14 hours ago, notwavman said:

 

Can you please post the replication steps? I.e. what I need to do to see it happen?

I can't post replication steps because I don't know how it is happening myself. I had dropped some devices on the ground (character was overweight), and while hunting in the same area (Lake Illinalta) suddenly several of the devices I dropped re-equipped themselves. I checked their modifiers, they all had sentient and nothing else. I had no other devices equipped after I dropped the ones on the ground.

[BreadDain]

2 hours ago, MysticDaedra said:

I can't post replication steps because I don't know how it is happening myself. I had dropped some devices on the ground (character was overweight), and while hunting in the same area (Lake Illinalta) suddenly several of the devices I dropped re-equipped themselves. I checked their modifiers, they all had sentient and nothing else. I had no other devices equipped after I dropped the ones on the ground.

This actually sounds like Deviously Cursed Loot feature. This mod doesn't have anything to do with onDrop device equip. Unless they are bugged somehow.
See self-bondage feature toggles in DCL MCM menu.

Edited August 13, 2022 by BreadDain

[MysticDaedra]

4 hours ago, BreadDain said:

This actually sounds like Deviously Cursed Loot feature. This mod doesn't have anything to do with onDrop device equip. Unless they are bugged somehow.
See self-bondage feature toggles in DCL MCM menu.

I don't have DCL installed, so that can't be it. Actually, the only mod I have that does anything with devices (besides place them around the world aka Laura's Bondage Shop and Deviously Enchanted Chests) is Unforgiving Devices.

[kurotatsu]

About those devices having Sentient modifier - if that device is generic DD, i.e. not from UD itself, it will have random set of modifiers each time it's equipped.

I.e. it could have been not Sentient when was dropped and got it only after being somehow equipped the last time.

I agree with @BreadDain here - it sure sounds like another mod is in play, unrelated to UD.

[r3mind]

I think there is some minor incompatibility with Toys&Love(?) when playing the lockpicking game. While spamming S, the game will get stuck sometimes when Toys is doing something to its "Rousal" stat and shows the corresponding widget. I tried disabling everything related to it, but no result (even when rousal doesn't change, it can still show its widget for no reason). I could just delete Toys, but it's required by another mod I wanted to try

UPDATE^ Never mind, it's not Toys. Lockpicking gets stuck even without it sometimes while spamming S, but fixing it in the debug panel helps.

 

Everything else works perfectly, except my S button after yet another randomly equipped set of items  (hoping for a feature to spare the key and fingers, but keep it challenging^^)

Edited August 14, 2022 by Vigor

[umcreiger]

where do you find or get abadon gems?

[kurotatsu]

50 minutes ago, umcreiger said:

where do you find or get abadon gems?

 

You get some after escaping Abadon Plug.

[monsta88]

An idea: While the skill increase for struggling/cutting is configurable, here is another way to make it less OP. How about if only the successful crits would give skill increases? Probably it should give more than the default 35 points now, for not making it completely useless. Maybe make it even harder by requiring manual successes (configurable in MCM).

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by monsta88

[r3mind]

On 8/13/2022 at 10:46 PM, Vigor said:

I think there is some minor incompatibility with Toys&Love(?) when playing the lockpicking game. While spamming S, the game will get stuck sometimes when Toys is doing something to its "Rousal" stat and shows the corresponding widget. I tried disabling everything related to it, but no result (even when rousal doesn't change, it can still show its widget for no reason). I could just delete Toys, but it's required by another mod I wanted to try

UPDATE^ Never mind, it's not Toys. Lockpicking gets stuck even without it sometimes while spamming S, but fixing it in the debug panel helps.

 

Everything else works perfectly, except my S button after yet another randomly equipped set of items  (hoping for a feature to spare the key and fingers, but keep it challenging^^)

After playing a bit with settings, I think I can answer myself. So basically I changed S hotkey to mousewheel (scroll down) and it seems like the script can't always handle such fast inputs and gets stuck somewhere (no idea if it works on any machine with different mods and settings). Also I was dumb and didn't read the guide which says I don't need the special key in some mini games, although due to what I said it still affects stamina decrease (makes it a bit slower sometimes, because I think all inputs are still processed which takes time). It creates an interesting new mechanic - spamming the special key slows down stamina decrease :)) But since it's all not intended(?) and binding S to mousewheel for cutting minigame borders with exploiting, I won't complain  Although I was having fun with difficult settings (wrapped in hard sentient devices with orgasm manifest plugs and piercings), cutting a hard device without mousewheel just takes too much time and toll on the S key lol.

[packman2002]

hello, does this work with Skyrim VR ?

sorry is not clear.

thanks !

[ihatemykite]

On 8/16/2022 at 12:34 PM, packman2002 said:

hello, does this work with Skyrim VR ?

sorry is not clear.

thanks !

Hard to say, I don't use VR, so idk what requirements are needed. Test and see yourself.

On 8/13/2022 at 6:49 AM, MysticDaedra said:

I don't have DCL installed, so that can't be it. Actually, the only mod I have that does anything with devices (besides place them around the world aka Laura's Bondage Shop and Deviously Enchanted Chests) is Unforgiving Devices.

As @notwavman said, it just looks like coincidence. Every new device that is equipped have random chance of having sentiente modifier. Also, did some message show up when they were equipped?

On 8/14/2022 at 7:21 PM, monsta88 said:

An idea: While the skill increase for struggling/cutting is configurable, here is another way to make it less OP. How about if only the successful crits would give skill increases? Probably it should give more than the default 35 points now, for not making it completely useless. Maybe make it even harder by requiring manual successes (configurable in MCM).

 

Can be. Will give it look. Hardest part about this will be adding MCM option. But it should make the minigame little faster as the skill will not increase every now and then, which is quite performance heavy.

On 8/15/2022 at 9:47 AM, Vigor said:

After playing a bit with settings, I think I can answer myself. So basically I changed S hotkey to mousewheel (scroll down) and it seems like the script can't always handle such fast inputs and gets stuck somewhere (no idea if it works on any machine with different mods and settings). Also I was dumb and didn't read the guide which says I don't need the special key in some mini games, although due to what I said it still affects stamina decrease (makes it a bit slower sometimes, because I think all inputs are still processed which takes time). It creates an interesting new mechanic - spamming the special key slows down stamina decrease :)) But since it's all not intended(?) and binding S to mousewheel for cutting minigame borders with exploiting, I won't complain  Although I was having fun with difficult settings (wrapped in hard sentient devices with orgasm manifest plugs and piercings), cutting a hard device without mousewheel just takes too much time and toll on the S key lol.

If the inputs are too fast (like inhuman fast, or if user have slower PC), the stack can be suspended. Basically, the whole script will get stack untill all stacks are done. Will think about a way to make pressing special button less hardcore. Maybe every press will be counted like 3, or somethink like that.

[ihatemykite]

On 8/7/2022 at 8:34 PM, paparebbe said:

Apologies for the late reply. Here's the link: 

The ZIP file of the DD patch for Vivi's Cockcages 7.56 kB · 193 downloads

Thank you. Will give it a look. But intead of using auto patch, I might do it manually as it might be fun in this case. I have few ideas. Only question is if the cage should be done as chastity belt, or as different device (I'm thinking of making it instead of vaginal plug, because that way it can still work with chastity belts). I'm interested in your opinion.

[paparebbe]

9 hours ago, ihatemykite said:

Thank you. Will give it a look. But intead of using auto patch, I might do it manually as it might be fun in this case. I have few ideas. Only question is if the cage should be done as chastity belt, or as different device (I'm thinking of making it instead of vaginal plug, because that way it can still work with chastity belts). I'm interested in your opinion.

If you could make it work as vaginal plug - that would be awesome ? 

[kurotatsu]

I've started playing around with b15, upgraded without new game. So far - so good.

 

Checked the changes to the Black Goo behavior, it's fun! But if you use Black Goo with heavy bondage present - nothing happens, is it intended result?

 

Rare Blue Straitjacket having MAH of 75% is naughty surprise, I like it!

[ihatemykite]

13 minutes ago, notwavman said:

Checked the changes to the Black Goo behavior, it's fun! But if you use Black Goo with heavy bondage present - nothing happens, is it intended result?

This is bug. FIxed!

[kurotatsu]

Also here's another idea - goo crossbow. It uses Black Goo as ammo, when female target is hit - Black Goo effects are applied. Any other target being hit - I'm here unsure... Maybe massive damage with a lot of debuffs? And to balance it's being very OP add a little chance, tied to arousal, to have the user being hit with the effect instead.

 

And maybe in future add random encounter, ambush of enemies, armed with such a crossbow or weapons with Abadon poison on it?

[Clockwinding]

3 hours ago, notwavman said:

Also here's another idea - goo crossbow. It uses Black Goo as ammo, when female target is hit - Black Goo effects are applied. Any other target being hit - I'm here unsure... Maybe massive damage with a lot of debuffs? And to balance it's being very OP add a little chance, tied to arousal, to have the user being hit with the effect instead.

 

And maybe in future add random encounter, ambush of enemies, armed with such a crossbow or weapons with Abadon poison on it?

You can already use this, and it's a bit OP. See below. Enemies using it would be much too disruptive though i think.

 

@ihatemykite

If you combine ancient seed+concentrated black goo in alchemy, you get:

poison of paralysis+concentrated manifest

 

You can apply it to your weapons to instantly wreck any humanoid able to wear DDs. When killed, those humanoids will convert the abadon devices to goos, lockpicks and gold on their person, so you farm an insane amount very easily and quickly.

For reference, i got 35 black goo and 21 concentrated goo, 11 lockpicks and around 400 gold from a bandit like this. 

 

I discovered this when i thought i could take the abadon devices from the dead enemy, put them on one by one myself for an easier struggle, but the devices got converted to goos instantly instead.

[r3mind]

21 hours ago, ihatemykite said:

If the inputs are too fast (like inhuman fast, or if user have slower PC), the stack can be suspended. Basically, the whole script will get stack untill all stacks are done. Will think about a way to make pressing special button less hardcore. Maybe every press will be counted like 3, or somethink like that.

I think it would be nice to lower the gap between hardcore key smahers and people who just want to watch their character struggle, so maybe just process special key only X seconds, so there is no point in spamming it (basically add a cooldown).

Edited August 18, 2022 by Vigor

[kurotatsu]

16 hours ago, Clockwinding said:

You can already use this, and it's a bit OP. See below. Enemies using it would be much too disruptive though i think.

 

@ihatemykite

If you combine ancient seed+concentrated black goo in alchemy, you get:

poison of paralysis+concentrated manifest

 

You can apply it to your weapons to instantly wreck any humanoid able to wear DDs. When killed, those humanoids will convert the abadon devices to goos, lockpicks and gold on their person, so you farm an insane amount very easily and quickly.

For reference, i got 35 black goo and 21 concentrated goo, 11 lockpicks and around 400 gold from a bandit like this. 

 

I discovered this when i thought i could take the abadon devices from the dead enemy, put them on one by one myself for an easier struggle, but the devices got converted to goos instantly instead.

 

Yes, I know it, this is why I mentioned it!

It's quite clunky to use. Reason is - I have to craft that poison in a quantity and apply it before each shot. Also there's no chance to have a misfire onto the user now, which would make it less OP. Also having Concentrated Device Manifest is overkill, simple Black Goo adding heavy bondage plus one device is enough.

Having weapon like this would make motivation to stock up on the Goo.

The proposed crossbow might use the goo directly or maybe get goo bolts crafted?

 

So far Abadon weapons with their chance of 25% proven themselves being a bit useless, DCL's Dollmaker is much more useful.

Maybe change them to the proposed way too? I.e. make 100% chance of effect on target, some serious damage to non-female targets, use some goo instead of soul gems, get a chance to misfire onto user to add some risk of using them?

[ihatemykite]

21 hours ago, Vigor said:

I think it would be nice to lower the gap between hardcore key smahers and people who just want to watch their character struggle, so maybe just process special key only X seconds, so there is no point in spamming it (basically add a cooldown).

This is technially already implemented for NPCs, so it should be also possible to add it for player. But I might add some more variables to control this in future first.

 

22 hours ago, Clockwinding said:

You can already use this, and it's a bit OP. See below. Enemies using it would be much too disruptive though i think.

 

@ihatemykite

If you combine ancient seed+concentrated black goo in alchemy, you get:

poison of paralysis+concentrated manifest

 

You can apply it to your weapons to instantly wreck any humanoid able to wear DDs. When killed, those humanoids will convert the abadon devices to goos, lockpicks and gold on their person, so you farm an insane amount very easily and quickly.

For reference, i got 35 black goo and 21 concentrated goo, 11 lockpicks and around 400 gold from a bandit like this. 

 

I discovered this when i thought i could take the abadon devices from the dead enemy, put them on one by one myself for an easier struggle, but the devices got converted to goos instantly instead.

Yeah, I know about it but I keep it in as some kind of secret to be discovered for easy farming the ingredients and gold. But I now see that it is too much op. But, the devices should still be destroyed as they are flagged as such. I think I will just add new MCM option, which will toogle item drop from devices that are on dead actors. Or it will have adjustable chance that device will not drop anythink.

6 hours ago, notwavman said:

 

Yes, I know it, this is why I mentioned it!

It's quite clunky to use. Reason is - I have to craft that poison in a quantity and apply it before each shot. Also there's no chance to have a misfire onto the user now, which would make it less OP. Also having Concentrated Device Manifest is overkill, simple Black Goo adding heavy bondage plus one device is enough.

Having weapon like this would make motivation to stock up on the Goo.

The proposed crossbow might use the goo directly or maybe get goo bolts crafted?

 

So far Abadon weapons with their chance of 25% proven themselves being a bit useless, DCL's Dollmaker is much more useful.

Maybe change them to the proposed way too? I.e. make 100% chance of effect on target, some serious damage to non-female targets, use some goo instead of soul gems, get a chance to misfire onto user to add some risk of using them?

Weapon having chance of hitting user is nice idea and should be simple to implement.  Question is how big the chance should be.

[ihatemykite]

On 8/18/2022 at 7:18 AM, paparebbe said:

If you could make it work as vaginal plug - that would be awesome ? 

I gave it a try and added 3 cages. You can try it and let me know what you think. Added are:

• Normal cock cage - no special behavier. Can be unlocked with chasitty key and lockpicked
• Ebonite cock cage - have shock effect. Can be unlocked with chasitty key and lockpicked
• Ehtereal cock cage - works also as vibrator. Can be only removed by struggling. It is immune to physical dmg, but weak to magical dmg.

They all use same keword and slot as vaginal plug. Also, if you wan't to cage to hide under belt, you will have to update device hidder to hide vaginal plugs.

Download: Unforgiving Devices - Vivis Cockcages Patch.zip

Obviously requires original mod. Also, this is technically not patch, as the mod adds new items in to the game. You will have to get the device with AddItemMenu or somethink.