Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Hex Bolt]

29 minutes ago, Anunya said:

A (configurable) gold threshold for how much money Lola has. If Lola has more gold than that (checked however often, maybe on cell change, maybe on going to sleep), the Master takes any excess gold. Basically Lola can have whatever pocket money she can scrounge up (or receives as an allowance) but the Master manages the actual finances (which can still be accessed via the spending Master's gold mechanic; which I really like).

I think the "Player's expense money" setting accomplishes that if you also set Lola's gold share to zero.  Lola will always have pocket money for basic expenses.  The owner is assumed to manage the finances but, as you noted, still allow Lola to still make major purchases (with limits and after score 50).  It's a nice arrangement that emphasizes Lola's dependence and slave status while never leaving her broke unless the owner also runs out of money.  It works very well for a "trusted slave" situation.  The amount of expense money can be manually increased whenever you think Lola has earned more trust.

[Anunya]

6 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

I think the "Player's expense money" setting accomplishes that if you also set Lola's gold share to zero.  Lola will always have pocket money for basic expenses.  The owner is assumed to manage the finances but, as you noted, still allow Lola to still make major purchases (with limits and after score 50).  It's a nice arrangement that emphasizes Lola's dependence and slave status while never leaving her broke unless the owner also runs out of money.  It works very well for a "trusted slave" situation.  The amount of expense money can be manually increased whenever you think Lola has earned more trust.

 

Yeah for sure. I still would love to have a simple maximum allowed as well, either as an alternative measure or to use in combination depending on what I do.

 

I'm on a never-ending quest to run a bunch of "poor girl getting oppressed" mods together. I really like both SubLola and DF and often (usually) run them together. I quite like DF's gold control, and I also quite like SubLola's gold control and would like to run them together. Obviously they can't work together as they are now, because the SubLola Master will take a cut from a DF gold-control top-up, which will trigger another top-up ad infinitum which will break things.

 

But if the DF max gold is less than the (proposed feature) SubLola max gold, then my PC can still experience all the pressure and shenanigans of a DF relationship (I usually RP it as the SubLola master's well-respected retainer having his own fun on the side), while still getting the benefits of the SubLola financial management as well (allowance, Master's gold being used for big purchases etc).

[LBGK]

Hi,

 

I don't want to send this thread off on a tangent, but I noticed that Anunya mentioned running DF and SLTR together. I've experimented with that and what I see is there is no handoff from DF to SLTR (or to Simple Slavery) when the enslavement event occurs. Setting the SLTR or Simple Slavery outcome weight probabilities does not seem to do anything. Even if, for example, I set the Lola weight to 100% and all others to zero, I still just get the built-in DF enslavement. I can then just trigger Lola enslavement directly myself, but I feel it breaks the immersion. I inquired about this on the DF page but I gather the person running that has not been on LoversLab for a while and did not get a reply so far. It would be good to know if it is a problem with my build or if I am missing or misunderstanding something.

 

Cheers,

L

 

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, LBGK said:

I don't want to send this thread off on a tangent, but I noticed that Anunya mentioned running DF and SLTR together. I've experimented with that and what I see is there is no handoff from DF to SLTR (or to Simple Slavery) when the enslavement event occurs. Setting the SLTR or Simple Slavery outcome weight probabilities does not seem to do anything. Even if, for example, I set the Lola weight to 100% and all others to zero, I still just get the built-in DF enslavement. I can then just trigger Lola enslavement directly myself, but I feel it breaks the immersion. I inquired about this on the DF page but I gather the person running that has not been on LoversLab for a while and did not get a reply so far. It would be good to know if it is a problem with my build or if I am missing or misunderstanding something.

I believe that this mostly works for others.  I say "mostly" because I've also heard (unconfirmed) that it only works once and doesn't seem to reset in DF.  Perhaps others who have used this mechanism can say whether it's worked for them and if they had to do anything special to get it to work.

[Hex Bolt]

14 hours ago, Anunya said:

I quite like DF's gold control, and I also quite like SubLola's gold control and would like to run them together. Obviously they can't work together as they are now, because the SubLola Master will take a cut from a DF gold-control top-up, which will trigger another top-up ad infinitum which will break things.

I understand why you're asking, but it's just not something that I want to try to make work.  As you noted, the two systems are incompatible.  SLTR's gold sharing was never intended to work with DF's gold control.  It looks like a rabbit hole of complexity and potential problems, so I've always stayed away from it in favor of advising players to use one system or the other, not both.

[Anunya]

Fair enough. I totally think it could work, but I'm not the one who'd have to implement it or deal with any bug reports....  

[CaptainJ03]

9 hours ago, LBGK said:

've experimented with that and what I see is there is no handoff from DF to SLTR (or to Simple Slavery) when the enslavement event occurs. Setting the SLTR or Simple Slavery outcome weight probabilities does not seem to do anything.

Did you tick the right boxes on the punishment page in the MCM so that it actually tries to enslave you? I don't have it installed anymore because DFC is buggy as hell.

 

As Hexbolt said, it only works once. I've copied this sentence from somewhere in the forum to my diary:

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Running "ResetQuest _DFSlaveryWatcher" in console resolved the issue

 

[serph90]

ultra important question: if my mistress is a vampire, will she ever consider to infect me?

[Hex Bolt]

43 minutes ago, theprof90 said:

ultra important question: if my mistress is a vampire, will she ever consider to infect me?

Not through this mod, no.

[SacredDatura]

On 12/10/2024 at 8:06 AM, lovalter said:

That's exactly what I did but mine doesn't loop, just plays 1 time and stops

 

I tried about a dozen and that was the case for me too, for most of them.  Only the one I put in the Snake slot (SnakeDance.hkx, listed under ZAP 8 in the MCM but filed in TDF Prostitution folder) seemed to loop properly. Not sure if this was because of the GSPoser anim (GS484.hkx) or something in the instructions for Snake that tells it to loop.

 

Still happy about the one imported GSPoser anim I did get to work though, I do feel it fits better than either the TDF ones or the ZAP 8 ones.

As an aside, GSPoser does have a couple of really nice potential alternatives for other SubLola actions imo!
 

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294, an incredibly submissive dogeza for kneel, and

 

441, for the sweep activity

 

[Hex Bolt]

4 minutes ago, SacredDatura said:

As an aside, GSPoser does have a couple of really nice potential alternatives for other SubLola actions imo!

Thanks, I'll note those for possible optional features.

[lovalter]

44 minutes ago, SacredDatura said:

 

I tried about a dozen and that was the case for me too, for most of them.  Only the one I put in the Snake slot (SnakeDance.hkx, listed under ZAP 8 in the MCM but filed in TDF Prostitution folder) seemed to loop properly. Not sure if this was because of the GSPoser anim (GS484.hkx) or something in the instructions for Snake that tells it to loop.

 

Still happy about the one imported GSPoser anim I did get to work though, I do feel it fits better than either the TDF ones or the ZAP 8 ones.

As an aside, GSPoser does have a couple of really nice potential alternatives for other SubLola actions imo!
 

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294, an incredibly submissive dogeza for kneel, and

 

441, for the sweep activity

 

Ohh those look amazing!

[AManNamedNorville]

On 12/8/2024 at 7:07 AM, lovalter said:

Hey Hex, will this conflict with the slave auction event? 

 

 

On 12/8/2024 at 10:09 AM, Hex Bolt said:

If you don't care about the Trophy Slave event and don't intend to use the SS++ start for SLTR, you should still be able to use it.

 

Hey, after some quick tests, I can confirm this works for the most part. SS++ Start works perfectly fine. and I assume being sold after ending enslavement would work as well (Just an educated guess since SS++ Start worked just fine).

 

I cannot confirm if the Trophy Slave event works or not though because I do not 100% know how this mod works as I don't use it myself, and I cannot for the life of me figure out how events are triggered or what the perquisites to trigger the event are other than submissive level

For now, I'd just recommend disabling the Trophy Slave event. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by AManNamedNorville

[Hex Bolt]

2 minutes ago, AManNamedNorville said:

For now, I'd just recommend disabling the Trophy Slave event. 

Thanks for the info.  That's the plan.

[ZeeZoh]

Hello Guys im running into an odd issue,  My Dommy Mommy keeps asking me to thank her but i dont see an option but does anyone know how i can go about doing this? Shes getting angrier oh god 

[ZeeZoh]

Also, Whenever i am tasked to perform sub acts on my dom it kind of reverses and i (the sub) am doing the dom stuff as far as animations go. Is that normal or can that be fixed to where it treats you like the sub and not your owner/dom 

[Hex Bolt]

16 minutes ago, ZeeZoh said:

My Dommy Mommy keeps asking me to thank her but i dont see an option but does anyone know how i can go about doing this? Shes getting angrier oh god

Hi, I see that you're a new member here.  Welcome!

 

Your question was a little vague, but if the owner is making a random comment outside of a conversation (like the greetings you get from NPCs in town), you don't need to take any action.  Those remarks just provide atmosphere.  On the other hand, if this is a conversation between your character and the owner, there should be a clear dialog option to say thank you.  If you don't see a choice like that, please provide an exact quote of what the owner says and any background about the situation, so I can investigate.

 

17 minutes ago, ZeeZoh said:

Whenever i am tasked to perform sub acts on my dom it kind of reverses and i (the sub) am doing the dom stuff as far as animations go. Is that normal or can that be fixed to where it treats you like the sub and not your owner/dom

If you're referring to spanking, the role reversal is unusual, but it has happened to a few players.  Look at your SexLab settings to see if you're forcing your character or the owner into the make position.  If you're referring to sex, the same-sex animations (FF or MM) are often inconsistent with regard to which actor is the dominant position (if any).  Again, with a little more detail, a better answer would be possible.

[LBGK]

On 1/16/2024 at 11:02 PM, CaptainJ03 said:

 

Oh, I was referring to the forced start of DFC, where you get a devious follower if your willpower is too low.

 

DFC sending you to this mod relies on slavery, which seems very wonky, needs a heck of a lot of time to trigger even when the conditions are met - and doesn't seem to trigger a second time.  I have this quote in my diary: "Running "ResetQuest _DFSlaveryWatcher" in console resolved the issue" but didn't pin the source.

 

Hi,

 

That ResetQuest command seems to help, but even so, yes, the DFC triggering of SLTR is a bit flakey - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. You might need to reload a previous save in order to try it again if it mis-fires the first time. Anyway, many thanks for the prompt reply and the help!

Cheers,

L

 

[SacredDatura]

An option to manually top up the owner's gold might be a good idea! I ran into a situation where I just got out of town (for a few ingame hours) and then because the allowance dipped the owner's gold to the poverty level, I was placed in armbinders and made to go back to town, even though my inventory weight was well below the threshold.

 

I suppose nothing's stopping me from just dumping my gold into the owner's inventory. But I'd love a more immersive option where the mod recognizes my contribution to Master's finances. If only just with a mocking insult or backhanded compliment.

[CaptainJ03]

46 minutes ago, SacredDatura said:

An option to manually top up the owner's gold might be a good idea! I ran into a situation where I just got out of town (for a few ingame hours) and then because the allowance dipped the owner's gold to the poverty level, I was placed in armbinders and made to go back to town, even though my inventory weight was well below the threshold.

Yes, that's what you decided to set up in the MCM - forced prostitution and return to town if the owner feels poor.

Either untick that box or cut your owner's expenses.

If you have the money, she'll take it anyway, (might be another box to tick) If you don't have enough money, raise your prostitution fee.

I don't see any reason to manually top up your owner's purse.

[SacredDatura]

12 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Yes, that's what you decided to set up in the MCM - forced prostitution and return to town if the owner feels poor.

Either untick that box or cut your owner's expenses.

If you have the money, she'll take it anyway, (might be another box to tick) If you don't have enough money, raise your prostitution fee.

I don't see any reason to manually top up your owner's purse.

 

Mhm, I assumed the forced prostitution if owner feels poor bit only kicked in if you don't have enough money for the owner to take (I did have enough gold to be taken, and have that option ticked). Good to know that isn't the case.

 

I also think there's a compelling argument for an interaction to proactively give excess gold to your owner, regardless. For a similar reason the ritual of having to proactively ask your owner if they need anything is a core part of SubLola's gameplay loop - it feels submissive to offer up what you have and admit that the owner knows better what to do with it than you.

Edited December 15, 2024 by SacredDatura

[kingsglaive]

Do you plan to upgrade the piercing of the lola equipment to electric piercing in the future?

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, SacredDatura said:

Mhm, I assumed the forced prostitution if owner feels poor bit only kicked in if you don't have enough money for the owner to take (I did have enough gold to be taken, and have that option ticked). Good to know that isn't the case.

The owner will first take enough gold from Lola to reach the minimum poverty level, and if the owner is still poor then the prostitution event (and forced return to town) is triggered.  As far as I can see, that's working.  I can't explain why that wouldn't have worked in your case unless something else is tinkering with the follower's gold.

 

1 hour ago, SacredDatura said:

I also think there's a compelling argument for an interaction to proactively give excess gold to your owner, regardless. For a similar reason the ritual of having to proactively ask your owner if they need anything is a core part of SubLola's gameplay loop - it feels submissive to offer up what you have and admit that the owner knows better what to do with it than you.

I tried to word the demands for gold in the optional Adventuring Slave feature (periodic payments to the owner) as "gifts" or "tribute", which sort of fits what you're saying.  Otherwise, the owner's focus is on your obedience and service.  Your stuff is free for the taking, since property can't own property.  Lola is not really expected to know how much gold the owner has or to decide if the owner might want more.  The owner makes those decisions.  The proactive part is offering service.  The owner also enjoys whoring out Lola (there's the dialog for Lola's question about wouldn't adventuring be more profitable).  While you're always free to manually transfer gold to the owner, the idea is to encourage you to earn enough gold through adventuring or be forced into prostitution.

[Hex Bolt]

9 minutes ago, kingsglaive said:

Do you plan to upgrade the piercing of the lola equipment to electric piercing in the future?

Probably not.  The vibrating piercings increase Lola's arousal.  Shocking piercings decrease arousal.  The intent is to keep Lola's arousal above some minimum value.  The owner has other ways to inflict pain, such as whipping or spanking.

[kingsglaive]

24 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

Probably not.  The vibrating piercings increase Lola's arousal.  Shocking piercings decrease arousal.  The intent is to keep Lola's arousal above some minimum value.  The owner has other ways to inflict pain, such as whipping or spanking.

Electric shock piercing can actually be considered to have two functions. As long as the electric shock function is not used, it can also increase sexual desire.