The Ancient Profession 2024-06-24

[xtrange988]

Since we are back at giving ideas.

- I would like to be able to roam the streets at night seeking clients while keeping public sex a crime during daytime. 

- Could be possible to move Ruhdir scene towards the small island between the two Goldenglow bridges? There's a creature patrol that more often than not interrupts the scene with the khajiits forcing me to kill the creature with the console and a encounter zone in the next cell (behind the farm) that also has caused issues for me at some point, especially at night with vampire and death hounds encounters.

 

The bridge is safer from both sides and easier to find than a random spot in the wilderness.

 

 

Edited January 27, 2024 by xtrange988

[ruddycray]

23 hours ago, NicoleDragoness said:

Played till the end of "Who sows discord" (with the ported LE version), a "good" end, and I read the message about the next versions.

- Suggestion\Idea:

There is an old mod called "Take Care Of Business Redux" in which the Player, after she/he joined the Thieves Guild and became her/his new Master, can "evict" Maven to be a "owner" of the Thieves and a threat for many. In fact, the Player will force that b**ch to pay a consistent "tax" to the Guild.

I think the "mechanic" of this old mod could be very interesting for a following story about DG and her.

What do you think?

 

 

I've thought about it, but I think my plan is to go with Maven having to accept that she's lost control of prostitution in Riften to DG but not losing anything more than that. She won't be happy with Benjen for failing her so badly, but she'll still be a powerful woman.

[ruddycray]

13 hours ago, xtrange988 said:

Since we are back at giving ideas.

- I would like to be able to roam the streets at night seeking clients while keeping public sex a crime during daytime. 

- Could be possible to move Ruhdir scene towards the small island between the two Goldenglow bridges? There's a creature patrol that more often than not interrupts the scene with the khajiits forcing me to kill the creature with the console and a encounter zone in the next cell (behind the farm) that also has caused issues for me at some point, especially at night with vampire and death hounds encounters.

 

The bridge is safer from both sides and easier to find than a random spot in the wilderness.

 

 

 

It should be possible to add an option to restrict public sex enforcement to daytime.

 

I can look at moving the location for the Rudhiir meeting, but I'm not going to make any promises about that. While I have had animal attacks there, it's fairly rare from what I've seen. It may also be possible to just temporarily keep the animals away or make them less hostile. Rudhiir is trying to do what he's doing in secret, because he knows it's illegal. Right next to the estate seems a little out in the open at first thought.

[killer905]

2 hours ago, ruddycray said:

 

It should be possible to add an option to restrict public sex enforcement to daytime.

 

I can look at moving the location for the Rudhiir meeting, but I'm not going to make any promises about that. While I have had animal attacks there, it's fairly rare from what I've seen. It may also be possible to just temporarily keep the animals away or make them less hostile. Rudhiir is trying to do what he's doing in secret, because he knows it's illegal. Right next to the estate seems a little out in the open at first thought.

I attempted this quest a few times and only once did I have an animal attack in this area.

[xtrange988]

5 hours ago, ruddycray said:

 

It should be possible to add an option to restrict public sex enforcement to daytime.

 

I can look at moving the location for the Rudhiir meeting, but I'm not going to make any promises about that. While I have had animal attacks there, it's fairly rare from what I've seen. It may also be possible to just temporarily keep the animals away or make them less hostile.

 

While vanilla animals have an aggro radius, modded ones do not follow those rules consistently. So spawns from Immersive Creatures and Demonic Creatures behave more aggressively and attack on sight, thus ruining the scene. I rarely have issues with wolves unless they were following a deer from the encounter zone. But Demonic Creatures has Kwama Foragers  hat can kill a guard at level 1 and other nasty stuff that roam around, and Immersive Creatures spawns wolf pups that are annoying and do not have aggro radius either.

 

Anyway, I leave it there for you to consider it, otherwise I will keep killing them with the console.

 

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Rudhiir is trying to do what he's doing in secret, because he knows it's illegal. Right next to the estate seems a little out in the open at first thought.

 

People don't even go outside their homes at night. Skyrim is very medievalesque in that regard, they tend to value their npc lives and fear the dark.  Also the Estate is not on Maven's side since they fired the city guards.

Edited January 27, 2024 by xtrange988

[Clea Strange]

suggestion

 

We travel between the holds to the different towns offering our services. Though we would need an escort or escorts to protect us from bandits, animals etc.

[killer905]

I'm going to try to check the whole mod from the beginning, but for a quick test I checked joining DG and Nude party and here I found 2 problems (not spoiling anything):
1) During Nude Party I took "everything from the tables i.e. food, trays, cups etc" also there was nothing there anymore but Madam deducted my payment for leaving food there .
2) Starting the Nude Party task a second time the food does not appear again.

 

Spoiler

 

And here I would also like to ask why Madam does not give us clothes? Maybe it is worth giving a mini-task related to this, that we have to purchase an outfit on our own or receive from madam, but adds the value of this outfit to our debt?

Edited February 5, 2024 by killer905

[ruddycray]

1 hour ago, killer905 said:

I'm going to try to check the whole mod from the beginning, but for a quick test I checked joining DG and Nude party and here I found 2 problems (not spoiling anything):
1) During Nude Party I took "everything from the tables i.e. food, trays, cups etc" also there was nothing there anymore but Madam deducted my payment for leaving food there .
2) Starting the Nude Party task a second time the food does not appear again.

 

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And here I would also like to ask why Madam does not give us clothes? Maybe it is worth giving a mini-task related to this, that we have to purchase an outfit on our own or receive from madam, but adds the value of this outfit to our debt?

 

The madam takes money because you took food with you when you left the party. You're allowed to eat as much as you want while you're there, but not to take anything with you.

 

The food not reappearing is a known issue. The cell sometimes doesn't properly reset, even though the quest specifically requests for it to do so. That's why you can request food and drink directly from the bartender.

 

I'm not sure why the madam would need to give you clothes. I'm assuming that you either already had clothing before the party or don't care if you're naked afterwards.

[ruddycray]

3 hours ago, Clea Strange said:

suggestion

 

We travel between the holds to the different towns offering our services. Though we would need an escort or escorts to protect us from bandits, animals etc.

 

I don't know if I understand exactly what it is that you're suggesting. A tour of sorts?

[killer905]

19 minutes ago, ruddycray said:

 

The madam takes money because you took food with you when you left the party. You're allowed to eat as much as you want while you're there, but not to take anything with you.

 

The food not reappearing is a known issue. The cell sometimes doesn't properly reset, even though the quest specifically requests for it to do so. That's why you can request food and drink directly from the bartender.

 

I'm not sure why the madam would need to give you clothes. I'm assuming that you either already had clothing before the party or don't care if you're naked afterwards.

Ahh, I understand. Now I'm curious what will happen if I didn't collect anything, but I had my own (not from room or bartender) food in my inventory :3

 

Okay, I understand...

 

I meant after joining DG madam doesn't give "Tavern Clothing" (I forgot to mention it) and I didn't mean Nude Party at that moment. I completely ignore the fact that in the DG buildings I can go in full armor and have weapons ready and i can speak with any client. I would be afraid to approach such an armed woman

[ruddycray]

12 minutes ago, killer905 said:

Ahh, I understand. Now I'm curious what will happen if I didn't collect anything, but I had my own (not from room or bartender) food in my inventory :3

 

Okay, I understand...

 

I meant after joining DG madam doesn't give "Tavern Clothing" (I forgot to mention it) and I didn't mean Nude Party at that moment. I completely ignore the fact that in the DG buildings I can go in full armor and have weapons ready and i can speak with any client. I would be afraid to approach such an armed woman

 

It should count how much food you have before the party and give you a penalty if you have more than that afterwards. I think if you eat some of your own food while at the party you can probably restock from the party without penalty, because that's effectively no different than eating the party food at the party. I didn't go too far with the idea. I just didn't want it to be a way to get tons of free food if you're going for a survival playthrough or something.

 

I understand what you're saying about the outfit now. I just haven't gone too far with the idea of forcing you to wear anything in particular in the brothel. I guess I could check for armor keywords and say you should be wearing either clothing that isn't armor or nothing.

Edited February 5, 2024 by ruddycray

[killer905]

8 hours ago, ruddycray said:

 

It should count how much food you have before the party and give you a penalty if you have more than that afterwards. I think if you eat some of your own food while at the party you can probably restock from the party without penalty, because that's effectively no different than eating the party food at the party. I didn't go too far with the idea. I just didn't want it to be a way to get tons of free food if you're going for a survival playthrough or something.

 

I understand what you're saying about the outfit now. I just haven't gone too far with the idea of forcing you to wear anything in particular in the brothel. I guess I could check for armor keywords and say you should be wearing either clothing that isn't armor or nothing.

I agree. At least it should be for the overall outfit, but not for the armor. Or add an option to ignore the player's armor option.

[miscys]

Great mod! Some feedback: I feel like the moment-to-moment gameplay of the brothels would be more fun if instead of the mod simulating a bunch of stuff, you'd just talk to the madam/Benjen and be given a series of clients, up to a daily MCM-defined limit. Let the existing NPC prostitutes and customers entertain each other for immersion. That way there's a logical end (for the day) to the activity, which would make it a little easier to maintain a normal-ish Skyrim gameplay loop. The quests and jobs are definitely the strongest parts of the mod; perhaps each client encounter could be a super-lite version of, say, the virgin son job. Just a line or two of dialogue to establish some personality trait / context / desired act / whatever.

 

Just ideas, not demands. Thank you for your contributions so far!

[ruddycray]

8 hours ago, miscys said:

Great mod! Some feedback: I feel like the moment-to-moment gameplay of the brothels would be more fun if instead of the mod simulating a bunch of stuff, you'd just talk to the madam/Benjen and be given a series of clients, up to a daily MCM-defined limit. Let the existing NPC prostitutes and customers entertain each other for immersion. That way there's a logical end (for the day) to the activity, which would make it a little easier to maintain a normal-ish Skyrim gameplay loop. The quests and jobs are definitely the strongest parts of the mod; perhaps each client encounter could be a super-lite version of, say, the virgin son job. Just a line or two of dialogue to establish some personality trait / context / desired act / whatever.

 

Just ideas, not demands. Thank you for your contributions so far!

 

That could be an interesting idea. No promises as to when or even if I'll do that, but I'll give it some thought.

[danna233]

Tell me, if you don’t join the ranks of prostitutes, is there any point in playing this mod? I tried it and didn’t really like this activity. But I liked the quest in Riverwood. Are there many such quests or is it all tied to working as a prostitute? As I understand it, you still won’t become the main Madame of Skyrim, like in other guilds.

[ruddycray]

9 hours ago, danna233 said:

Tell me, if you don’t join the ranks of prostitutes, is there any point in playing this mod? I tried it and didn’t really like this activity. But I liked the quest in Riverwood. Are there many such quests or is it all tied to working as a prostitute? As I understand it, you still won’t become the main Madame of Skyrim, like in other guilds.

 

Prostitution is the center that the mod is built around, so if you don't want to do that then what this mod has to offer you will probably be limited. I do plan to make a quest line from the Riverwood quest, but that's most likely not going to be done any time soon. There is also the Temple of Dibella, which will basically have you become a holy prostitute but is not quite the same as working for the brothels. I also plan to eventually expand on the succubus part of the mod to add some quests there. But again that's eventually.

 

Edit: and you are correct. I don't plan to have you become the leader of any of the factions introduced in this mod.

Edited February 8, 2024 by ruddycray

[Herowynne]

12 hours ago, danna233 said:

if you don’t join the ranks of prostitutes, is there any point in playing this mod?

 

I thought the quest line to help Vanikseth and eventually become a succubus was a pretty amazing story and quest line.

 

In my opinion, this mod is worth having in my load order for that quest line alone. Any yet this mod has a whole bunch of other good stuff too!

 

Overall, amazing work by @ruddycray ! ❤️

[jesternario]

So, I went to the blackbriar brothel, just to see what was in it, but it was completely empty, save for the male employees. Am I missing something?

[ruddycray]

41 minutes ago, jesternario said:

So, I went to the blackbriar brothel, just to see what was in it, but it was completely empty, save for the male employees. Am I missing something?

 

There should definitely be girls there entertaining the clients. There aren't actually any male employees, at least not on a permanent basis.

 

Do you have the Interiors mod installed?

[danna233]

1 hour ago, Herowynne said:

I thought the quest line to help Vanikseth and eventually become a succubus was a pretty amazing story and quest line.

 

In my opinion, this mod is worth having in my load order for that quest line alone. Any yet this mod has a whole bunch of other good stuff too!

Oh, I have no doubt that this is an amazing mod. But I can’t immerse myself in a role-playing game, it’s not my thing. I don’t understand why my character does this). She will get much more gold coins by killing monsters. I completed the quests in Whiterun, but then cognitive dissonance hit me again). Now, if only all these quests could be completed while remaining an ordinary hero, like all vanilla quests from random and not-so-random NPCs.

 

But even if we imagine that she got the job because she is a complete nymphomaniac (although my heroine is not like that), shouldn’t clients make an appointment with her a month in advance? Still, she is the Dragonborn, the Archmage, the Harbinger and, in general, an extremely famous person. How could anyone afford to miss such a chance?)

Edited February 9, 2024 by danna233

[ruddycray]

1 hour ago, danna233 said:

Oh, I have no doubt that this is an amazing mod. But I can’t immerse myself in a role-playing game, it’s not my thing. I don’t understand why my character does this). She will get much more gold coins by killing monsters. I completed the quests in Whiterun, but then cognitive dissonance hit me again). Now, if only all these quests could be completed while remaining an ordinary hero, like all vanilla quests from random and not-so-random NPCs.

 

But even if we imagine that she got the job because she is a complete nymphomaniac (although my heroine is not like that), shouldn’t clients make an appointment with her a month in advance? Still, she is the Dragonborn, the Archmage, the Harbinger and, in general, an extremely famous person. How could anyone afford to miss such a chance?)

 

Sometimes realistic and fun to play don't go hand in hand. Too many realistic consequences of becoming famous would spoil the fun for me. I get the dissonance. It's why I don't let you solicit Jarls, for example. It bothers me when someone my character just had sex with 10 minutes ago acts like they've never met me. But there's a balance to strike, and for my own fun I don't want it to go all the way to everyone talking about you being the Dragonborn or, even worse, realistic consequences like the College of Winterhold worrying about the reputational damage of having a prostitute as their Archmage.

 

I have also said I think since the first day I released this mod that one of the things I'm going for is to help role-play a character who doesn't start the game as a hardened warrior. It's even built into the dialogue that starts everything up: "Do you have any work that doesn't involve risking my life?" For that character, killing monsters isn't a good way to make money.

 

But at the end of the day, if the mod's just not for you, that's fine. It doesn't need to be all things for all players.

[danna233]

1 hour ago, ruddycray said:

It's why I don't let you solicit Jarls, for example.

I paid attention. The highest nobility is not available to the heroine, but for some reason it is available to other prostitutes. This is another thing that confused me, dialogue about sex mainly appears with those with whom you absolutely do not want to do it, either just like that or for money, it even appears in dogs(.
I also noticed that although all the sex mods are designed for a female character, they are designed for a male player; unfortunately, I haven’t found anything for female players. Your mod is the most pleasant of all that I have tried here.

[jesternario]

3 hours ago, ruddycray said:

 

There should definitely be girls there entertaining the clients. There aren't actually any male employees, at least not on a permanent basis.

 

Do you have the Interiors mod installed?

Sorry, I meant male customers. No ladies at all.

[ruddycray]

7 hours ago, danna233 said:

I paid attention. The highest nobility is not available to the heroine, but for some reason it is available to other prostitutes. This is another thing that confused me, dialogue about sex mainly appears with those with whom you absolutely do not want to do it, either just like that or for money, it even appears in dogs(.
I also noticed that although all the sex mods are designed for a female character, they are designed for a male player; unfortunately, I haven’t found anything for female players. Your mod is the most pleasant of all that I have tried here.

 

The highest nobility is available to other prostitutes because if they talk to them at all, I can completely control those circumstances. I can't control the interactions with the player.

 

I think you actually can solicit the Jarls if they come to the inns, just not while they're in their official homes. It is not my mod's purpose to provide romance options, though. There are other mods that do that. I haven't used them enough to have any things about them I didn't like and wanted to do a different way. This mod was born from my dissatisfaction with other prostitution mods, which is of course not to say that those mods can't have their fans too. They just weren't to my taste.

 

One of the things that I didn't like about some of them is how they might have a scenario where you, never having joined the Companions, would attend a party where they'd all have a big werewolf orgy, and then they'd later act like they'd never met you and the whole werewolf thing was still a big shock and a big secret. That's why I don't allow those kinds of solicitations. It's not that I don't think some of those characters would engage a prostitute's services. It just doesn't fit with the game. And it is justifiable enough that those characters wouldn't necessarily be open about being with prostitutes.

 

I'm not targeting male or female players in particular. I just find constant hateful, degrading dialogue and anal obsession tiresome when I'm playing.

[ruddycray]

6 hours ago, jesternario said:

Sorry, I meant male customers. No ladies at all.

 

I understand. Do you have the TAP Interiors mod installed?