companion Meet Companion Ivy

[webb71]

Huzzah!  

 

[Miauzi]

Vor 4 Stunden sagte IBAGadget:

Überprüfen Sie den Link zu Regs Discord in seiner Signatur.

 

Der Grund, warum Ivy nicht mit (den meisten) Multi-Follower-Mods funktioniert, ist, dass sie ein benutzerdefiniertes Framework verwendet. Einige ihrer Funktionen hängen davon ab, dass sie nicht durch das Vanilla-Follower-Framework eingeschränkt werden. 

 

Ich spiele FO4 seit dem Veröffentlichungsdatum, und der einzige Multi-Follower-Mod, den ich je verwendet habe, ist RAM-FM (der von Reginald erstellt wurde, um mit Ivy zu arbeiten) und das war erst im letzten Jahr. Bethesdas Follower-KI ist ein schrecklich kaputtes Durcheinander und ich kann es nicht ertragen, mehr als ein oder zwei Follower gleichzeitig bei mir zu haben (normalerweise Ivy und Heather oder Ivy und Piper. ), da sie ständig im Weg sind. Ich kann mich nicht erinnern, wie oft ich einen Schuss auf einen Feind ausgerichtet habe und mein Verfolger diesen Moment auswählt, um mich vom Gebäude zu stoßen oder vor mir zu gehen. 

 

Mod-Autoren sind nicht verpflichtet, ihre Kreationen zu überarbeiten, um die Wünsche einer Minderheit von Spielern zu befriedigen. Wenn Sie das Spiel nicht ohne einen Multi-Follower-Mod spielen können, der Ivy kaputt machen wird, dann ist die Wahl sehr einfach - verwenden Sie Ivy nicht.

 

Es würde monatelange Vollzeitarbeit erfordern, Ivy so umzubauen, dass es mit nur einem Multi-Follower-Mod wie AFT kompatibel ist, eine Arbeit, die dann mit einem feinen Kamm durchgegangen werden müsste, wenn AFT aktualisiert würde, um sicherzustellen, dass es weiterhin funktioniert richtig.

 

Ivy steht für jahrelange sorgfältige Arbeit.

 

Genießen Sie sie so wie sie ist, folgen Sie den vom Mod-Autor festgelegten Einschränkungen, oder verwenden Sie sie nicht.

 

other companion mods also have their own system - so does "Darlene" - "Kit" - "Heather" etc.

this is NOT why the mod author recommends this one multi follower mod...

...but the general stupidity of users to deal intensively with the mod (and its special features) that they use!!
At some point you look for a solution that has the lowest error rate.

It's just a problem for quite a lot of users when a multi-companion mod only works 98 or 99% and then they have to turn on their intelligence for the 1-2% where it doesn't work - for a solution to work around the problem

In addition, quite a few mod users are not interested in the forum thread in which they make a request - to read the texts themselves...
..perhaps this could answer the question asked
No - something like that doesn't work at all - switch off irony

 

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the question is:
"How far does compatible go?"

Many mod users today no longer accept 98 or 99% compatibility - 100% has to be there (and if it's promised it's enough) - so that you don't have to think about a problem anymore

[Reginald_001]

Guys just let it go. I've now explained the technical reasons why Ivy does not work well with mods that overwrite and change the core game scripts so often and so much that it's now a meme, officially a meme! I even created an alternative that players can use. Yet it's not enough.

 

I'm at the point where I just don't give a.f. as soon as I see 'UCF/ATF' and all that shit in a post. I just skim and 'next'.

Let it go.

Ignore people that ask about it.

 

If you want a bunch of companions around you then Ivy is not for you.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Reginald_001

[jrock317]

22 hours ago, Reginald_001 said:

Guys just let it go. I've now explained the technical reasons why Ivy does not work well with mods that overwrite and change the core game scripts so often and so much that it's now a meme, officially a meme! I even created an alternative that players can use. Yet it's not enough.

 

I'm at the point where I just don't give a.f. as soon as I see 'UCF/ATF' and all that shit in a post. I just skim and 'next'.

Let it go.

Ignore people that ask about it.

 

If you want a bunch of companions around you then Ivy is not for you.

 

 

LOL! Tell 'em Reg. Serious if you haven't played with just Ivy and as noted above with Dogmeat via  EBF, if you really need another follower I guess, as Reg said he crafted her with this in mind,  you're missing the entire concept of this mod. I did pick up Ram-FM, thanks for the suggestion, but still It's just me Ivy and my little fleabag rolling.  We fuckin' some shit up!!!  Thanks again for the wonderful work!!

BTW you should only be using RAM-FM for forced follower quests like Valentine and such. It works. If you want a gaggle of companions, start a new game WITHOUT Ivy! FFS.

Edited January 17, 2023 by jrock317

[steve6419]

1 hour ago, jrock317 said:

LOL! Tell 'em Reg. Serious if you haven't played with just Ivy and as noted above with Dogmeat via  EBF, if you really need another follower I guess, as Reg said he crafted her with this in mind,  you're missing the entire concept of this mod. I did pick up Ram-FM, thanks for the suggestion, but still It's just me Ivy and my little fleabag rolling.  We fuckin' some shit up!!!  Thanks again for the wonderful work!!

BTW you should only be using RAM-FM for forced follower quests like Valentine and such. It works. If you want a gaggle of companions, start a new game WITHOUT Ivy! FFS.

I would love to use Ram-FM but not everyone uses all the DLC'S  and yes I happen to be one if it had f-mod installer so you could pick would be great but it has not so i for one can not use it and I am not saying it is no good Reg knows what he is doing so it would ge great just like ivy is 

[Reginald_001]

1 hour ago, steve6419 said:

I would love to use Ram-FM but not everyone uses all the DLC'S  and yes I happen to be one if it had f-mod installer so you could pick would be great but it has not so i for one can not use it and I am not saying it is no good Reg knows what he is doing so it would ge great just like ivy is 

You don't need the DLC to use RAM-FM.

[Miauzi]

Vor 3 Stunden sagte jrock317:

LOL! Sag ihnen Reg. Im Ernst, wenn Sie nicht nur mit Ivy gespielt haben und, wie oben erwähnt, mit Dogmeat über EBF, wenn Sie wirklich einen anderen Follower brauchen, denke ich, wie Reg sagte, er hat sie mit diesem Hintergedanken erstellt, Sie vermissen das gesamte Konzept dieses Mods. Ich habe Ram-FM abgeholt, danke für den Vorschlag, aber es sind immer noch nur ich, Ivy und mein kleiner Flohsack, der rollt. Wir ficken Scheiße!!! Nochmals vielen Dank für die wunderbare Arbeit!!

Übrigens sollten Sie RAM-FM nur für erzwungene Follower-Quests wie Valentine und dergleichen verwenden. Es klappt. Wenn Sie eine Schar von Gefährten wollen, starten Sie ein neues Spiel OHNE Ivy! FFS.

 

Well - what am I doing wrong - that in addition to Ivy, I also have Heather (and also Ada in the Robco factory) and later Darlene with me
and
it works 99.5% trouble-free.
And I even still know what I have to do with the 0.5%.

I'm probably just too stupid

[jrock317]

1 hour ago, steve6419 said:

I would love to use Ram-FM but not everyone uses all the DLC'S  and yes I happen to be one if it had f-mod installer so you could pick would be great but it has not so i for one can not use it and I am not saying it is no good Reg knows what he is doing so it would ge great just like ivy is 

That's gibberish. You obviously don't know how to mod.. I mean FFS . Calling my bro out 'cause  you don't know what you're doing? Sorry Reg I'm a little salty. Serious ? GTFO!

[jrock317]

1 hour ago, steve6419 said:

I would love to use Ram-FM but not everyone uses all the DLC'S  and yes I happen to be one if it had f-mod installer so you could pick would be great but it has not so i for one can not use it and I am not saying it is no good Reg knows what he is doing so it would ge great just like ivy is 

Then don't use Ivy. Did you read the description page?  Did you read anything?  Jeez  

[steve6419]

5 hours ago, Reginald_001 said:

You don't need the DLC to use RAM-FM.

thank you for letting me know Reginald i thought you did Great To Know 

[Reginald_001]

6 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

Well - what am I doing wrong - that in addition to Ivy, I also have Heather (and also Ada in the Robco factory) and later Darlene with me
and
it works 99.5% trouble-free.
And I even still know what I have to do with the 0.5%.

I'm probably just too stupid

Nothing, you play the game your way, the way you like it and most importantly you don't complain about it, you do what it takes to make it work for you in the way that you want it to work.
 

The problem arises when people start making demands (or using emotional blackmail) that Ivy should work with her own follower framework, or start complaining that she doesn't work with UCF or AFT, when it clearly states in the elaborate manual for Ivy that she is not designed for that.

[Miauzi]

Vor 48 Minuten sagte Reginald_001:

Nichts, du spielst das Spiel auf deine Weise, wie es dir gefällt, und vor allem beschwerst du dich nicht darüber, du tust, was nötig ist, damit es für dich so funktioniert, wie du es möchtest.
 

Das Problem entsteht, wenn Leute anfangen, Forderungen zu stellen (oder emotionale Erpressung anwenden), dass Ivy mit ihrem eigenen Follower-Framework arbeiten soll , oder sich darüber beschweren, dass sie nicht mit UCF oder AFT arbeitet, wenn es im ausführlichen Handbuch für Ivy eindeutig heißt, dass sie ist dafür nicht ausgelegt.

 

I myself complain about the fact that Ivy does not work 100% with UCF but "only" 98%
and
nor that you of course refuse to take care of the 2% - because of course that's not your thing - but that of the user of UCF (i.e. me e.g.)

What only "excites" me is the fact that other users don't seem to think of this as a matter of course

?

[Ophiucus68]

This multi companion argument is nuts.

 

When I'm in the mood for Ivy, I grab her and off we go.

 

When I'm in the mood for a party, it's Piper, Casey, and/or Ellen or Curie or.... and Ivy stays home. No biggie.

[Ophiucus68]

Well...made it through with the "good" ending. Brilliant.

 

The line of Deborah now being in a choir that sings in unity not discord is truly inspired.

 

Great job.

[Reginald_001]

 

Edited January 19, 2023 by Reginald_001

[dee60kay]

HELP PLEASE!!!

Hi, first of all, this truly is the best mod I ever played! Ivy is such a rich and somehow "real" experience.
I have a problem with the "Stein" quest. By the way, it is pretty tough because it is not very much self explaining. Even as I found a walkthrough on YouTube I ran into problems. I have managed to clean Deborah's closet and opened her confession note with the code. But when I return to the gatekeeper then, the only answer options I have are "I don't know the code". What went wrong??? Do I need to read all of Deborah's notes before I can pass the gatekeeper as well?
 

[IBAGadget]

1 hour ago, dee60kay said:

HELP PLEASE!!!

Hi, first of all, this truly is the best mod I ever played! Ivy is such a rich and somehow "real" experience.
I have a problem with the "Stein" quest. By the way, it is pretty tough because it is not very much self explaining. Even as I found a walkthrough on YouTube I ran into problems. I have managed to clean Deborah's closet and opened her confession note with the code. But when I return to the gatekeeper then, the only answer options I have are "I don't know the code". What went wrong??? Do I need to read all of Deborah's notes before I can pass the gatekeeper as well?
 

yes

[Guest]

What exactly the 'CompanionIvy_TexturesPatch6' do?

[ebbluminous]

3 minutes ago, Secretly Kinky said:

What exactly the 'CompanionIvy_TexturesPatch6' do?

It patches textures

[Guest]

Just now, ebbluminous said:

It patches textures

Thats self explanatory, Im more interesed to know wich textures and if I need that patch too.

[ebbluminous]

As Reg has put it as a patch, I'd say yes

[travelmedic]

1 hour ago, Secretly Kinky said:

What exactly the 'CompanionIvy_TexturesPatch6' do?

 

If I remember right (and maybe I don't) it fixes some missing images from notes for one of Ivy's quests.

[Ophiucus68]

Is Ivy Alive???

 

I parked her at Red Rocket and went off with another companion. At Sanctuary, I was doing  some crafting when....FLASH...BANG...and a loud "Booyah!" (in my mind, I heard "Bazinga!")...suddenly there she was. She made a little comment and went to a crafting station to diddle around. Does she get bored and decide to Bazinga her bud?

[Miauzi]

Vor 6 Minuten sagte Ophiucus68:

Lebt Ivy???

 

Ich parkte sie bei Red Rocket und fuhr mit einem anderen Begleiter los. In Sanctuary war ich beim Basteln, als .... FLASH ... BANG ... und ein lautes "Booyah!" (in Gedanken hörte ich "Bazinga!") ... plötzlich war sie da. Sie machte eine kleine Bemerkung und ging zu einer Bastelstation, um herumzuspielen. Langweilt sie sich und beschließt, ihre Knospe zu bazingen?

 

She has probably the most complex algorithm of all companions I've ever experienced in a game...
(and it will probably remain so for many years to come - because no software shack will ever put so much effort and fine work into a companion for a player character)

...one could sometimes think of a really real AI (like from various SF novels or films)

 

[ebbluminous]

1 hour ago, Miauzi said:

 

She has probably the most complex algorithm of all companions I've ever experienced in a game...
(and it will probably remain so for many years to come - because no software shack will ever put so much effort and fine work into a companion for a player character)

...one could sometimes think of a really real AI (like from various SF novels or films)

 

We need Ivy ChatGBPT edition now...