CBBE 3BBB Advanced

[greenmango12]

@Acro748

I know, you already offer "out-fit group" for your conversion BD items, then do you plan to set base group name for 3BBB body (3BA and 3BF)?

 

  I know we can edit or save as new slider preset , so we can use custom preset with butch build for your offered slider data (like BD)

then if you decide your base group name for 3bbb,,  maybe many conversion outfit will add your official group name and assgine each item, as same as CBBE outift.

(they often add out-fit as CBBE group too,  when they make out-fit group, so all old CBBE slider preset work,, )

 

eg if you decide base group 3BA for 3BBB amaziing,  I can just add it when I make new conversion 3bb out-fit group.

 then maybe many modder will use the same base group name for 3bbb conversion,, I think..

 

At current, you do not set "base group name" for 3bbb, so maybe most of conversion out-fit only set Out-fit group.  then when we generate with our slider preset,

we need to edit or overwrite slider preset... everytime. 

 

 

 

[Guest]

Love this mod. But I was just wondering if I can get your preset if possible 

 

Thank you ❤️

[Twycross448]

@Kalessin42

 

Thank you for the long and detailed explanation. I will see about it when next I get the time to mod around again. ?

 

Regarding the [3B] versions included with the armour, I was under the impression they were meant to be used with SMP since they have those extra parts for the collisions in them. And since I use CBPC exlusively (no HDT-SMP at all), I thought I wouldn't be able to use them.

 

 

Thanks again for the input. It is very much appreciated.

[Kalessin42]

41 minutes ago, Twycross448 said:

@Kalessin42

 

Thank you for the long and detailed explanation. I will see about it when next I get the time to mod around again. ?

 

Regarding the [3B] versions included with the armour, I was under the impression they were meant to be used with SMP since they have those extra parts for the collisions in them. And since I use CBPC exlusively (no HDT-SMP at all), I thought I wouldn't be able to use them.

 

 

Thanks again for the input. It is very much appreciated.

I only use CBPC for the belly, so I don't know how well CBPC will work with the Tera Rogue Outfit, but the key difference with the [3B] versions of the outfits is that they have the 3BBB breast bones (L/R Breast 01 - 03) instead of NPC L Breast and NPC R Breast. They do have meshes that seem to be designed for use with SMP, but the breast bones are the ones that 3BBB bodies have, and as I understand it, invisible meshes that are intended to be used with SMP shouldn't have any effect when you're not using SMP.

[Acro748]

13 hours ago, zer02 said:

how to fix a belly ?

 

Use only bodymorphs for pregnancy.

Belly bone-weight is not suitable for making pregnancy morph, and it also use bodymorph, so don't have to make belly weight for pregnancy.
So belly weight is painted only for belly bulge.

 

 

6 hours ago, greenmango12 said:

@Acro748

I know, you already offer "out-fit group" for your conversion BD items, then do you plan to set base group name for 3BBB body (3BA and 3BF)?

 

  I know we can edit or save as new slider preset , so we can use custom preset with butch build for your offered slider data (like BD)

then if you decide your base group name for 3bbb,,  maybe many conversion outfit will add your official group name and assgine each item, as same as CBBE outift.

(they often add out-fit as CBBE group too,  when they make out-fit group, so all old CBBE slider preset work,, )

 

eg if you decide base group 3BA for 3BBB amaziing,  I can just add it when I make new conversion 3bb out-fit group.

 then maybe many modder will use the same base group name for 3bbb conversion,, I think..

 

At current, you do not set "base group name" for 3bbb, so maybe most of conversion out-fit only set Out-fit group.  then when we generate with our slider preset,

we need to edit or overwrite slider preset... everytime. 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I'll do that on the next update.

 

 

 

[regain]

using this with smp ( without smp preset file) ,make cbpc for body ?

[Adeladen]

Does anyone know what to set "BellyBulgeReturnTime = 5.0" to in CPBCollisionConfig.txt for the bulge to be smooth and not just go from 0% to 100% in a split second? As you can see I have it at 5, it's like 2 by default, but that hasn't made it any smoother. It says "#This is the duration takes in seconds for belly bulge to return to its original position" but it really doesn't take 5 seconds for it to reset.

[ZeroSuitIsWaifu]

Is the amount of jiggle the same as 3bbb?I feel like it's different, but I could just be overthinking it.

[greenmango12]

3 hours ago, Acro748 said:

Yeah, I'll do that on the next update.

 

Thanks if you already decide group name, I hope to know because now I try to make BS data for ZAZ items, at current I use "3BBB" as base.?

but if you choose another base  name, I simply follow it. 

[Kalessin42]

1 hour ago, greenmango12 said:

Thanks if you already decide group name, I hope to know because now I try to make BS data for ZAZ items, at current I use "3BBB" as base.?

but if you choose another base  name, I simply follow it. 

It would definitely be good to get that standardized. The bit with the groups on the BD's Armor and Clothes Replacer is definitely annoying, since of course, your preset wouldn't normally have that specific group on it. And while it's not that big a deal to add that group to your preset, it certainly isn't ideal to be adding a new group every time that you want to generate a new set of outfits. It would be nice if the presets were matched on some sort of base group (e.g. 3BBB, CBBE, UUNP, etc.) while matching the outfits to slide based on the specific group, but as far as I can tell, Bodyslide isn't set up for anything like that.

 

What I've found works far better (for me at least) than groups is to have a separate profile in mod organizer for bodyslides with only the mods needed to do the bodyslides and test them enabled. That way, I don't have to wade through a huge list of outfits or presets. I just enable the mods for the specific outfits I want to be working on, and none of the other outfits and presets get in the way. I do have to have the mods with the sliders for the body parts enabled when using outfit studio, but when I'm generating outfits using bodyslide, I don't even have those enabled. The only outfit-related mods enabled at that point are my body preset, the mods with the meshes that are being "bodyslid," and the mods with the bodyslide files for those meshes. That way, when I run "Batch Build" the only items in the "Outfit/Body" drop down are the ones I'm generating. I've found that that approach works really well for me, but it pretty much requires that you use mod organizer. For any other mod manager, even if it supported profiles, changing what's in a profile and changing profiles is likely to take too long for it to make sense.

[greenmango12]

I have one silly but maybe interesting idea (request) about 3bbb advance morph slider.

 

Untill start sexlab scene, I sometimes hope to change armor or  underwear shape, in game. 

Most simple way, is generate 2 clothing nifA and nifB  as standard and morphed, and exchange when I hope so..

but it is somehow tedious. and it just swap mesh, so not adjust well.

 

So I know,we can use Body slider morph in Game.  but to it work, I suppose, base 3bbb body  shape need to have same morph slider.

 

What I plan (and may request as futureversion,, (if it work well)

3bbb offer some empty slider morphs, (like 3BBCustom1, 3BBCustom2, 3BBCustom3) for 3bbb body. (I think 3 new slider  is reasonable,, maybe,,)

 

then user may add those slider for clothing and armor as they like.  then set slider data for each and generate outifit by BS as same as before.of course which slider data will be used, are depend each modder. or user who edit them .

 

then maybe there will be description about each clothing or armor mod,  "custom 3bb morph " compatible.. 

 

So in game, with  racemenu, we can adjust and morph costume by use  Custom1 to Custom3. it never change nude body, (because it is empty) but basically change outfit only.  

 

Thogh  it ialmost unuseful, untill  user make slider data for cloth,  but if 3bbb already offer those empty morph  with "name"

user need not edit and tweak, 3bbb racemenu script everytime.

Then we can easy add new morph for clothing only (but just use the Custom 1 to Custom 3, to keep 3bbb compatible)

(I will show real case, which use emepty custom slider, and change swim wear in game ^^;,,)

 

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yes I could confirm it work. but I need some tweaking.

 

I forget the fact, OS  not save  empty slider. (I did not know it),  even though I made and save.

so I need to make slider, which actually move very  a little .  which I can not see change at all, 

 

Then I make same slider set for costume, and edit only about clothing shape.   test it in game with NPC wear the costume.  Now it can slide or break only about  cloth mesh . but when change cloth, it not change other clothing. (they do not have any slider data about custom1

and not change body shape.  The reson why so mesh break dirty, I took time to remove transform value (which I did not know)

from project file,, (then when export to blender, all mesh not algin correctly, ^^; then do dirty work for test)

 

 

[Homonculus]

6 hours ago, greenmango12 said:

I have one silly but maybe interesting idea (request) about 3bbb advance morph slider.

 

Untill start sexlab scene, I sometimes hope to change armor or  underwear shape, in game. 

Most simple way, is generate 2 clothing nifA and nifB  as standard and morphed, and exchange when I hope so..

but it is somehow tedious. and it just swap mesh, so not adjust well.

 

So I know,we can use Body slider morph in Game.  but to it work, I suppose, base 3bbb body  shape need to have same morph slider.

 

What I plan (and may request as futureversion,, (if it work well)

3bbb offer some empty slider morphs, (like 3BBCustom1, 3BBCustom2, 3BBCustom3) for 3bbb body. (I think 3 new slider  is reasonable,, maybe,,)

 

then user may add those slider for clothing and armor as they like.  then set slider data for each and generate outifit by BS as same as before.of course which slider data will be used, are depend each modder. or user who edit them .

 

then maybe there will be description about each clothing or armor mod,  "custom 3bb morph " compatible.. 

 

So in game, with  racemenu, we can adjust and morph costume by use  Custom1 to Custom3. it never change nude body, (because it is empty) but basically change outfit only.  

 

Thogh  it ialmost unuseful, untill  user make slider data for cloth,  but if 3bbb already offer those empty morph  with "name"

user need not edit and tweak, 3bbb racemenu script everytime.

Then we can easy add new morph for clothing only (but just use the Custom 1 to Custom 3, to keep 3bbb compatible)

(I will show real case, which use emepty custom slider, and change swim wear in game ^^;,,)

 

==========

yes I could confirm it work. but I need some tweaking.

 

I forget the fact, OS  not save  empty slider. (I did not know it),  even though I made and save.

so I need to make slider, which actually move very  a little .  which I can not see change at all, 

 

Then I make same slider set for costume, and edit only about clothing shape.   test it in game with NPC wear the costume.  Now it can slide or break only about  cloth mesh . but when change cloth, it not change other clothing. (they do not have any slider data about custom1

and not change body shape.  The reson why so mesh break dirty, I took time to remove transform value (which I did not know)

from project file,, (then when export to blender, all mesh not algin correctly, ^^; then do dirty work for test)

 

 

If i understand correctly you're trying to get the clothes sort of streched or ripped apart when in a sexlab scene ? if so you could look at the Rag Bikini mod and/or ask the author how he did it,

he also built 2 different meshes and uses SL triggers to automatically change mesh when starting a sexlab scene.

 

Although having extra sliders to achieve that would be nice and easier to use.

[greenmango12]

56 minutes ago, PraedythXVI said:

If i understand correctly you're trying to get the clothes sort of streched or ripped apart when in a sexlab scene ? if so you could look at the Rag Bikini mod and/or ask the author how he did it,

he also built 2 different meshes and uses SL triggers to automatically change mesh when starting a sexlab scene.

 

Although having extra sliders to achieve that would be nice and easier to use.

Yes I already see Rag Bikini, then as you said I know how it work.  but why I hope to use  custom slider (which 3bbb will offer) 

I hope to adjust cloth in game (but not deform reference body) as 3bbb morphs. in racemenu.

 

And my pic was really bad,, I did not plan to tear clothing, but just reveal breast and gen as if it moved for sexlab scene.

it tear, because I do not move them at same time in blender,, usually I make them not tear with edge mesh ..^^;  (just hope to show quickly,, so do not correct them)

If  I hope to tear cloth, I I may use texture, or swap mesh. (so we need not keep vertex count etc)

 

And I can  adjust other equipment,  (not just slide for sex) , if there is already slider. (modder offer clothing)  or we can easy add them.

I can already add any slider for 3bbb body, . and can adjust in game. but to make it work, I need to compile script everytime.

If the slider is for nude body, I think it is best that will be offered default slider of 3bbb, (if Acro think it is useful, and other 3bbb user think so, like vagina related morphs,, etc)

 

But about clothing, maybe each mod author, decide which morph is good to  use in game. , at current we can not mke them, without body offer same name slider.   so there may be no clothing which have BS slider to adjust clothing shape in game I suppose.  

 

if 3bbb offer custom slider , (but almost zero slider, so not deform body, these are used to deform cloth),  we only need to add new slider for clothing with same name of custom slider. then clothing can deform in game. (as racemenu BS morph)

  it may work about all armor. which made for 3bbb .  

 

I do not know if SL trigger can adjust BS morph value, for sexlab , (it already show swap mesh and  change texture), but as for me, when run SL trigger,  I feel my game trun really heavy.. so at current I do not use SL trigger. 

(there are already many mod which need to check  every interval.  so I do not pray SL trigger much.)  I suppose SL trigger can manage it too.  but after all,  to use BS slider in game,  the clothing need to have same name slider as body.   so we can use it by script or manually move it  as same as other 3bbb morphs in game.

[Homonculus]

4 minutes ago, greenmango12 said:

Yes I already see Rag Bikini, then as you said I know how it work.  but why I hope to use  custom slider (which 3bbb will offer) 

I hope to adjust cloth in game (but not deform reference body) as 3bbb morphs. in racemenu.

 

And I can  adjust other equipment,  (not just slide for sex) , if there is already slider. (modder offer clothing)  or we can easy add them.

I can already add any slider for 3bbb body, . and can adjust in game. but to make it work, I need to compile script everytime.

If the slider is for nude body, I think it is best by offered default, (if Acro think it is useful, and other 3bbb user think so, like vagina related morphs)

 

But about clothing, maybe each mod author, decide which morph is good, when use in game. , at current we can not mke it so.

without body offer same name slider. 

 

though we can use the morph then generate mesh, but we can not  adjust clothing slider data,  in game when body not have the slider data.

 

if 3bbb offer custom slider already, (but almost zero slider, so not deform body),  we only need to add new slider for clothing with use body custom slider names. then clothing can deform in bame by BS.  it may work about all armor. which made for 3bbb.  

 

I do not know if SL trigger can adjust BS morph value, for sexlab , (it already show swap mesh or change texture), but as for me, when run SL trigger,

I feel my game trun really heavy.. so at current I do not use SL trigger.  (there are already many mod which need to check  every interval.

so I do not work SL trigger, when start sex scene.)  I suppose SL trigger can manage it too.  but after all,  to use BS slider in game,

the clothing need to have same name slider as body.  

Ah i see, i really like that idea i hope Acro can do that it would be awesome

[Grummkol]

On 2/16/2020 at 5:52 AM, greenmango12 said:

@Acro748

I know, you already offer "out-fit group" for your conversion BD items, then do you plan to set base group name for 3BBB body (3BA and 3BF)?

 

  I know we can edit or save as new slider preset , so we can use custom preset with butch build for your offered slider data (like BD)

then if you decide your base group name for 3bbb,,  maybe many conversion outfit will add your official group name and assgine each item, as same as CBBE outift.

(they often add out-fit as CBBE group too,  when they make out-fit group, so all old CBBE slider preset work,, )

 

eg if you decide base group 3BA for 3BBB amaziing,  I can just add it when I make new conversion 3bb out-fit group.

 then maybe many modder will use the same base group name for 3bbb conversion,, I think..

 

At current, you do not set "base group name" for 3bbb, so maybe most of conversion out-fit only set Out-fit group.  then when we generate with our slider preset,

we need to edit or overwrite slider preset... everytime. 

 

 

 

I just open the existing slider group text file, duplicate the entire 3BA/3BF group, then rename the duplicate to "CBBE".

That way all my existing presets just work.

[Acro748]

3 hours ago, greenmango12 said:

Yes I already see Rag Bikini, then as you said I know how it work.  but why I hope to use  custom slider (which 3bbb will offer) 

I hope to adjust cloth in game (but not deform reference body) as 3bbb morphs. in racemenu.

 

And my pic was really bad,, I did not plan to tear clothing, but just reveal breast and gen as if it moved for sexlab scene.

it tear, because I do not move them at same time in blender,, usually I make them not tear with edge mesh ..^^;  (just hope to show quickly,, so do not correct them)

If  I hope to tear cloth, I I may use texture, or swap mesh. (so we need not keep vertex count etc)

 

And I can  adjust other equipment,  (not just slide for sex) , if there is already slider. (modder offer clothing)  or we can easy add them.

I can already add any slider for 3bbb body, . and can adjust in game. but to make it work, I need to compile script everytime.

If the slider is for nude body, I think it is best that will be offered default slider of 3bbb, (if Acro think it is useful, and other 3bbb user think so, like vagina related morphs,, etc)

 

But about clothing, maybe each mod author, decide which morph is good to  use in game. , at current we can not mke them, without body offer same name slider.   so there may be no clothing which have BS slider to adjust clothing shape in game I suppose.  

 

if 3bbb offer custom slider , (but almost zero slider, so not deform body, these are used to deform cloth),  we only need to add new slider for clothing with same name of custom slider. then clothing can deform in game. (as racemenu BS morph)

  it may work about all armor. which made for 3bbb .  

 

I do not know if SL trigger can adjust BS morph value, for sexlab , (it already show swap mesh and  change texture), but as for me, when run SL trigger,  I feel my game trun really heavy.. so at current I do not use SL trigger. 

(there are already many mod which need to check  every interval.  so I do not pray SL trigger much.)  I suppose SL trigger can manage it too.  but after all,  to use BS slider in game,  the clothing need to have same name slider as body.   so we can use it by script or manually move it  as same as other 3bbb morphs in game.

 

It's sound like a fun toy.

And it can be use to showing things like boobs pressing.

 

Spoiler

 

Yeah, I can add an empty sliders
But it should be hidden from the BS and controlled only by RM Morph or Morph in specific mods.

 

This is an empty slider so must be hidden to avoid confusion to the users.

 

Also make to be visible in the BS of the outfits, we will need to disable the hidden in the properties of the slider.

 

Huh, I have doubts about whether anyone can create a mod using it. 

But it's a simple task, and it can't be made forever without a foundation, so that's okay.

 

 

Edit : It is not included in the next update, but may be included in the next next update after some further consideration.

 

[Acro748]

cbpc boobs physics presets to be added to the next version.

 

1. little more bounce and softness

Spoiler

CBPConfig_3b.txt

 

 

2. Very softness (This can cause an unseemly shape of the boobs if has a bonus for the speed of move.)

Spoiler

CBPConfig_3b.txt

 

put it in SKSE\Plugins path

 

 

And the physics presets will be separated from the boobs size selection.

IDK which of D, C, B or A will survive. But 1 or 2 of them will remain in the next update.

 

 

[Homonculus]

1 hour ago, Acro748 said:

 

It's sound like a fun toy.

And it can be use to showing things like boobs pressing.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Yeah, I can add an empty sliders
But it should be hidden from the BS and controlled only by RM Morph or Morph in specific mods.

 

This is an empty slider so must be hidden to avoid confusion to the users.

 

Also make to be visible in the BS of the outfits, we will need to disable the hidden in the properties of the slider.

 

Huh, I have doubts about whether anyone can create a mod using it. 

But it's a simple task, and it can't be made forever without a foundation, so that's okay.

Does that mean we won't have to mess with outfits in outfit studio to get boob pressing ?

 

Edit: i'm asking because i've been trying to get boob pressing on stuffs by following factoryclosed bhunp tutorial using outfit studio but i've been unable to suceed so far...

[Acro748]

2 minutes ago, PraedythXVI said:

Does that mean we won't have to mess with outfits in outfit studio to get boob pressing ?

 

No, it still have to be do.

 

[Homonculus]

11 minutes ago, Acro748 said:

 

No, it still have to be do.

 

oh okay, i'll keep trying then.

[Vortec]

 Is there a way to have Boobs and Butt firmer, mine are all over the place very floppy. And the breasts squash against the chest whenever she runs forward. Latest XPSEE.

[Zukzukarr]

How do I get breast jigglier, like those gifs from CBBE SMP page?

[Homonculus]

I'm trying to make the skeleton from another mod compatible with this by following your guide, assuming i succeed can i share the skeleton on that mods support thread or do i need your permission ?

 

Edit: I actually did it thanks to your guide now i'll just wait for your permission before posting it on that mod's support thread, it's for Draenei and Man'ari SSE btw.

 

2nd Edit: Also patched Animated Parasites SE skeleton gonna try to make Animated Parasites compatible with Draenei and Man'ari now :D).

[Acro748]

19 minutes ago, PraedythXVI said:

I'm trying to make the skeleton from another mod compatible with this by following your guide, assuming i succeed can i share the skeleton on that mods support thread or do i need your permission ?

 

Nope, skeleton is free to use.

 

It's not anyone's thing, it's only Bethesda's thing.

[Acro748]

3 hours ago, Vortec said:

 Is there a way to have Boobs and Butt firmer, mine are all over the place very floppy. And the breasts squash against the chest whenever she runs forward. Latest XPSEE.

 

Try selecting a smaller cup when installing.

 

 

2 hours ago, JosephShin said:

How do I get breast jigglier, like those gifs from CBBE SMP page?

 

When modifying xml

 

	...
	<!--
	<bone name="NPC L Butt"/>
	<bone name="NPC R Butt"/>
	<bone name="NPC L FrontThigh"/>
	<bone name="NPC R FrontThigh"/>
	<bone name="NPC L RearThigh"/>
	<bone name="NPC R RearThigh"/>
	<bone name="NPC L Thigh [LThg]"/>
	<bone name="NPC R Thigh [RThg]"/>
	<bone name="NPC L RearCalf [LrClf]"/>
	<bone name="NPC R RearCalf [RrClf]"/>
	<bone name="NPC L Calf [LClf]"/>
	<bone name="NPC R Calf [RClf]"/>
	-->
	
	<bone name="NPC RT Anus2"/>
	<bone name="NPC LT Anus2"/>
	<bone name="NPC RB Anus2"/>
	<bone name="NPC LB Anus2"/>
	<bone name="NPC Anus Deep2"/>

 

In between, you can delete the part then copy and paste the xml you want.

If you don't know well, you can put everything in.

 

	<per-triangle-shape name="3BBB">
		<margin>0.01</margin>
		<prenetration>0.2</prenetration>
		<tag>body</tag>
		<no-collide-with-tag>body</no-collide-with-tag>
		<no-collide-with-tag>Labia</no-collide-with-tag>
		<no-collide-with-tag>Lbreast</no-collide-with-tag>
		<no-collide-with-tag>Rbreast</no-collide-with-tag>
		<no-collide-with-tag>Belly</no-collide-with-tag>
		<no-collide-with-tag>3BCA_B</no-collide-with-tag>
		<no-collide-with-tag>3BCA_L</no-collide-with-tag>
		<no-collide-with-tag>3BCA_V</no-collide-with-tag>
		
		<no-collide-with-tag>e1</no-collide-with-tag>
		<no-collide-with-tag>e2</no-collide-with-tag>
      ...